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AirJordanXVIII
06-14-2009, 10:29 PM
For the NL, I'm gonna give it a homer pick and say Raul Ibanez.

For the AL, I'm gonna say Morneau or Greinke.

VenezuelanMet
06-14-2009, 10:33 PM
Ibaņez and Mauer.

nymetsrule
06-14-2009, 10:38 PM
I no longer feel it is Ibanez, I am starting to lean towards Pujols.

bosox3431
06-14-2009, 10:42 PM
Ibanez or Pujols and Zobrist

phillyphan4ever
06-14-2009, 10:47 PM
I no longer feel it is Ibanez, I am starting to lean towards Pujols.

typical mets fan.

The 6-4-3
06-14-2009, 10:53 PM
Ibanez with out question followed by Pujols

I like that Zobrisrt comment but i'd have to say Mauer.

goldenstater
06-14-2009, 10:58 PM
pujols and mauer!

jim51990
06-14-2009, 11:09 PM
nl -- pujols
al -- nelson cruz

goldglove212
06-14-2009, 11:11 PM
NL - Pujols

AL - Mauer

One Nut Kruk
06-14-2009, 11:12 PM
typical mets fan.

It's Pujols....and I am not a typical Mets fan.....

Mauer in the AL.

One Nut Kruk
06-14-2009, 11:15 PM
Ibanez with out question followed by Pujols

I like that Zobrisrt comment but i'd have to say Mauer.

What is your reasoning behind "Ibanez with out question"? Is it a homer pick or are some people so used to Pujols dominating that they just get bored with him?

Faithdies
06-14-2009, 11:20 PM
It has more to do with Ibanez leading almost every category in both Traditional and Sabermetric stats. What is your reasoning behing Pujols? Because it's easy? Go to Fangraphs. Look at the leaderboards, sort by NL. Notice a trend? He's leading in Value and Win Probability.

One Nut Kruk
06-14-2009, 11:27 PM
It has more to do with Ibanez leading almost every category in both Traditional and Sabermetric stats. What is your reasoning behing Pujols? Because it's easy?

Pujols does not play half his games in a shoe box nor does he have even close to the protection Ibanez has and is hitting .329 22 hr 57 rbi .444 obp .699 slg% 1.114 OPS 46 BB 24 K 9 sb (going into tonight's game)

Ibanez has him in none of those except rbi.

That is why.

Johann
06-14-2009, 11:27 PM
NL - pujols
AL - texeira or bay *arrrrggg*

cwilson21
06-14-2009, 11:29 PM
Pujols and Mauer

JAYZFAN9
06-14-2009, 11:30 PM
Pujols and Mauer

Faithdies
06-14-2009, 11:37 PM
Pujols does not play half his games in a shoe box nor does he have even close to the protection Ibanez has and is hitting .329 22 hr 57 rbi .444 obp .699 slg% 1.114 OPS 46 BB 24 K 9 sb (going into tonight's game)

Ibanez has him in none of those except rbi.

That is why.

Can we please stop with this bandbox ****? I'm not sure if you've noticed but the Phils as a team have gone into every stadium they have played and turned it into a bandbox. Petco, Citi, etc... The Phillies hit everywhere they go.

Look at Ibanez's splits. They are almost identical, and he has hit more HR's and RBI's on the road.

One Nut Kruk
06-14-2009, 11:41 PM
Can we please stop with this bandbox ****? I'm not sure if you've noticed but the Phils as a team have gone into every stadium they have played and turned it into a bandbox. Petco, Citi, etc... The Phillies hit everywhere they go.

True. Maybe the NL just really blows then because Ibanez averages about 20 homers a year.

imabadman
06-14-2009, 11:46 PM
NL- Albert Pujols

AL- Torii Hunter

Faithdies
06-14-2009, 11:48 PM
Rationalize it anyway you want to. The fact is that he is hitting everywhere he goes. I will agree that hitting in a much better lineup has helped. He and Ichiro were the only hitters worth a damn on that team for a while.

Also, I'm not saying Ibanez is going to hit 60 HR's like he's on Pace for. That would just be absurd. Could he it 35-40? I would say that is well within range. While driving in 130-150 RBIs and batting .315-.325. These should all be attainable for him which will put him on a very short list for MVP.

My only issue is that it just seems fashionable to say "Pujols" at this point because he has been so good for so long. Could he be MVP at the end of the season? Sure, but right now in my mind it's Ibanez.

One Nut Kruk
06-14-2009, 11:53 PM
Rationalize it anyway you want to. The fact is that he is hitting everywhere he goes. I will agree that hitting in a much better lineup has helped. He and Ichiro were the only hitters worth a damn on that team for a while.

I know he's been a very good hitter the past few seasons, I just find it a little strange that he is suddenly jacking them out of the park like it's going out of style at age 37.

mnrlgry
06-14-2009, 11:55 PM
Pujols and Mauer

Driven
06-14-2009, 11:55 PM
Rationalize it anyway you want to. The fact is that he is hitting everywhere he goes. I will agree that hitting in a much better lineup has helped. He and Ichiro were the only hitters worth a damn on that team for a while.

Also, I'm not saying Ibanez is going to hit 60 HR's like he's on Pace for. That would just be absurd. Could he it 35-40? I would say that is well within range. While driving in 130-150 RBIs and batting .315-.325. These should all be attainable for him which will put him on a very short list for MVP.

My only issue is that it just seems fashionable to say "Pujols" at this point because he has been so good for so long. Could he be MVP at the end of the season? Sure, but right now in my mind it's Ibanez.
It seems fashionable to say Pujols because he IS having a better year than Ibanez. Ibanez's OPS and OPS+ are 1.058 and 170. Pujols' are 1.144 and 199. Not to mention Pujols' OBP is 60 points higher.

Faithdies
06-14-2009, 11:57 PM
It is unusual, but not absolutely unheard of. Especially for the kind of streaks he's known to go on. That's why I don't think he's going to hit 60, haha. He's going to cool down(I honestly think he is cooling right now) and that is going to effect his HR rate.

One Nut Kruk
06-14-2009, 11:58 PM
My only issue is that it just seems fashionable to say "Pujols" at this point because he has been so good for so long. Could he be MVP at the end of the season? Sure, but right now in my mind it's Ibanez.

I showed the numbers. Those are MVP type of numbers right along with Ibanez's. Use the word fashionable if you want but he is one of the most consistent hitters the game has ever seen up to this point in his career. He puts up these numbers every single season and will always be in MVP talks.

Faithdies
06-15-2009, 12:00 AM
Oh, I don't want it to seem that I DON'T think Pujols is in the discussion. I took issue with the "Homer Pick" comment about Ibanez.

PhillyBoomerang
06-15-2009, 12:05 AM
Ibanez and Mauer no doubt..

Ibanez is having just a fantastic year..
Mauer right now might make history..

One Nut Kruk
06-15-2009, 12:07 AM
Oh, I don't want it to seem that I DON'T think Pujols is in the discussion. I took issue with the "Homer Pick" comment about Ibanez.

The only reason I used the term "HOMER PICK" was because of the "IBANEZ WITHOUT QUESTION" comment. Clearly, it is not without question.

Faithdies
06-15-2009, 12:16 AM
What's actually surprising is how good of a season Utley is quietly having. I knew he was doing well, but I actually thought it was a slightly down year for him.

ritz
06-15-2009, 12:18 AM
Utley is the best player on that team, but has been overshadowed on numerous occasions by Howard and Rollins and now Ibanez.

One Nut Kruk
06-15-2009, 12:36 AM
Yeah Utley's solid. Barring injury, he should be in the MVP discussion come the end of the season.

Nascar-NJDevils
06-15-2009, 12:45 AM
Pujols and Mauer

pf289
06-15-2009, 12:50 AM
True. Maybe the NL just really blows then because Ibanez averages about 20 homers a year.

Maybe it does or maybe he is just having a random amazing year.

One Nut Kruk
06-15-2009, 12:58 AM
Maybe it does or maybe he is just having a random amazing year.

I was kidding. There are a lot of amazing pitchers in the NL.

JohanTheGreat
06-15-2009, 01:01 AM
NL- Pujols (oh, no! i must be a typical mets fan since i didn't vote for ibanez!!)

AL- Mauer (he's only been playing since May, and he's putting up tremendous numbers)

pf289
06-15-2009, 01:09 AM
NL- Pujols (oh, no! i must be a typical mets fan since i didn't vote for ibanez!!)

AL- Mauer (he's only been playing since May, and he's putting up tremendous numbers)

No, I agree with you an im a Phils fan. Ibanez is playing amazing but this is most valuable player award and thats how i treat it. Pujols has got next to nothing on his team compared to the Ibanez an his team. Without Pujols, the cards would not be anywhere. Without Ibanez, the Phils would not be nearly as good but would still be abover water IMO. They still got Utley an Howard playing well so its not like he is their only talent. Also Ibanez an Pujols numbers are somewhat close. Gotta give it to Pujols, so far.

Pinstripe pride
06-15-2009, 09:13 AM
ibanez and mauer

todu82
06-15-2009, 09:33 AM
AL- Justin Morneau
NL- Albert Pujols

henderson56
06-15-2009, 09:38 AM
AL- Roy Halladay

Pinstripe pride
06-15-2009, 10:31 AM
AL- Roy Halladay

I went with mauer, but I was giving Halladay some serious consideration. He's gone along way in the Blue Jays success (even if they have been fallin g lately). His current injury doesn't help much though.

Tragedy
06-15-2009, 10:56 AM
AL- Roy Halladay
Eh, doubtful. It's not overly likely to see a pitcher win that award unless they blow everyone out of the waters. Teixeira is going to continue ripping the cover off the ball and as others have said, Mauer is a good pick as well.

IBleedPurple
06-16-2009, 02:45 PM
Mine:
Pujols-Ibanez-about 4 players
Mauer-Teixera-Morneau

kmo429
06-16-2009, 02:53 PM
Pujols and Teixeira(as much as i dont want to say it)

jojoe1188
06-16-2009, 03:10 PM
its crazy how well mauer is doing while missing a month of the season. he has already surpassed his career high in hr, and it seems like a lot of them have been to the opposite field, which prob has gms drooling. if he keeps this up, he may get contract offers so large the twins just simply wouldnt be able to hold on to him.

id go ibanez (pujols close second a.gonzalez close third) and mauer probs

SnoopRock
06-16-2009, 03:14 PM
its crazy how well mauer is doing while missing a month of the season. he has already surpassed his career high in hr, and it seems like a lot of them have been to the opposite field, which prob has gms drooling. if he keeps this up, he may get contract offers so large the twins just simply wouldnt be able to hold on to him.

id go ibanez (pujols close second a.gonzalez close third) and mauer probs
Mauer will never hit the FA market. He will be signed this offseason. So sorry NY, BOS, Philly or whoever wants to spend money.

jojoe1188
06-16-2009, 03:17 PM
Mauer will never hit the FA market. He will be signed this offseason. So sorry NY, BOS, Philly or whoever wants to spend money.

i hope for the twins organization that he doesn't (of course as a sox fan i do). but dude if he puts up these type of numbers this year and next, hes looking at at least 15 million per for no less than 6 years....will the twins doll out the cash? im just saying idk

SnoopRock
06-16-2009, 03:22 PM
i hope for the twins organization that he doesn't (of course as a sox fan i do). but dude if he puts up these type of numbers this year and next, hes looking at at least 15 million per for no less than 6 years....will the twins doll out the cash? im just saying idk

They already said they will pay him whatever and we can afford about 20 Mil a year if we wanted (not saying thats what he will get). Remember we have a new stadium next year. They won't even let him get his feet in the water for the market and I know he doesn't want to go anywhere. Mark my words no team will get a sniff of him.

jojoe1188
06-16-2009, 03:24 PM
They already said they will pay him whatever and we can afford about 20 Mil a year if we wanted (not saying thats what he will get). Remember we have a new stadium next year. They won't even let him get his feet in the water for the market and I know he doesn't want to go anywhere. Mark my words no team will get a sniff of him.

yea they would be smart to lock him up b4 he hits the market....just wondering out of curiosity do u kno whos his agent? its not satan (boras) is it?

metfan4life775
06-16-2009, 03:27 PM
pujos and mauer

both on my fantasy team :D

jerseykidd88
06-16-2009, 03:28 PM
not ibanaez i heard he may be on roids

jerseykidd88
06-16-2009, 03:28 PM
pujols and teix

jojoe1188
06-16-2009, 03:31 PM
not ibanaez i heard he may be on roids

or hes in a hitters park as opposed to safeco....

metfan4life775
06-16-2009, 03:34 PM
They already said they will pay him whatever and we can afford about 20 Mil a year if we wanted (not saying thats what he will get). Remember we have a new stadium next year. They won't even let him get his feet in the water for the market and I know he doesn't want to go anywhere. Mark my words no team will get a sniff of him.

if by somechance he gets to the market which he sould never then i can see him getting 20mil + since there really is no other Catcher like him in MLB IMO. there are alot of team in 2 yrs who might need a catcher like mets, yankees, boston, astros all teams have older catchers and or in need fo a guy like him.

metfan4life775
06-16-2009, 03:36 PM
not ibanaez i heard he may be on roids

were you here that from?

he isnt on roids and his avg has been dropping lately

long ball
06-16-2009, 03:38 PM
NL
1.) Pujols
2.) Ibanez
3.) Fielder
4.) Gonzalez
5.) Utley

AL
1.) Mauer
2.) Bay
3.) Morneau
4.) Branyan
5.) Teixeira

CarniifeX
06-16-2009, 03:41 PM
Jason Bay and Raul Ibanez

As far as my team: Jered Weaver and/or Torii Hunter

metfan4life775
06-16-2009, 03:52 PM
just wondering does Wright or Beltran have a shot anyone think. Both have their power numbers down this yr but there batting avg is WAY up there top 5

donnie23
06-16-2009, 04:01 PM
They already said they will pay him whatever and we can afford about 20 Mil a year if we wanted (not saying thats what he will get). Remember we have a new stadium next year. They won't even let him get his feet in the water for the market and I know he doesn't want to go anywhere. Mark my words no team will get a sniff of him.

The sooner the better, Boston really wants him.

SnoopRock
06-16-2009, 04:01 PM
yea they would be smart to lock him up b4 he hits the market....just wondering out of curiosity do u kno whos his agent? its not satan (boras) is it?

There is a whole thread about it in the MLB forum, I think on page 2 or 3 if you want to read more about it.

donnie23
06-16-2009, 04:04 PM
As of today Minnesota and Stl aren't in the playoffs so I'd go Ibanez and Teixeira over the more deserving Mauer and Pujols. For some stupid reason they like to vote for guys on playoff teams.

metfan4life775
06-16-2009, 04:20 PM
you dont think they will count yankee stadium/sand box against him at all?

MooseWithFleas
06-16-2009, 04:37 PM
NL: Ibanez (Probably will be Pujols in the long run)
AL: Mauer

donnie23
06-16-2009, 10:31 PM
you dont think they will count yankee stadium/sand box against him at all?

he's not getting cheapies like Damon he is crushing balls.

mnrlgry
06-17-2009, 03:54 AM
23hr 58rbi 49walks 25K 9SB .326/.446/.701 1.147ops
22hr 59rbi 21walks 47K 4SB .316/.373/.664 1.037ops

First is albert second is ibanez. I think Albert has the lead at this point. Ibanez only leads him with 1 more rbi, albert kills him in OBP and is out slugging him by a small margin. Steals are kind of stupid but they were a part of the copy/paste

whitekimbo
06-17-2009, 04:48 AM
23hr 58rbi 49walks 25K 9SB .326/.446/.701 1.147ops
22hr 59rbi 21walks 47K 4SB .316/.373/.664 1.037ops

First is albert second is ibanez. I think Albert has the lead at this point. Ibanez only leads him with 1 more rbi, albert kills him in OBP and is out slugging him by a small margin. Steals are kind of stupid but they were a part of the copy/paste

i agree pujols is MVP so far cuz MVP is most valuable player a pujols definitely is for the redbirds. without him, they could easily be last place in the NL Central and inbanez is tearing it up but utley,werth, and victorino are also have solid, above average seasons so far...

Matt-the-great
06-17-2009, 05:12 AM
AL: Mauer, Bay, Texeira

Brooklyn Mets
06-17-2009, 08:48 AM
Pujols and Mauer

Ron!n
06-17-2009, 09:53 AM
Mauer and Pujols, best players in baseball get the MVP, screw Ibanez :p

G-mets18
06-17-2009, 10:16 AM
Right now
Ibanez-NL
Mauer-AL

NL- At this pace though Pujols will quickly overtake the NL spot, but If D-Wright can keep his average up and hit over 20 HRs then he has a legit shot... He is no doubt carrying his team

AL- Mauer is a way and above the best in the AL right now just tearing the cover off the ball

ATL2010
06-17-2009, 10:32 AM
Ibanez and Mauer

Lincecum4CY
06-17-2009, 02:02 PM
Pujols and Mauer.

However it will end up being Jimmy Rollins and Derek Jeter. :rolleyes:

KniCKs FaN4liFe
06-17-2009, 02:20 PM
Pujols and teix

dodgers310
06-17-2009, 09:57 PM
NL-Pujols

AL-Mauer

avsman05
06-17-2009, 10:14 PM
Pujols and Mauer

agoody117
06-17-2009, 10:20 PM
joe mauer.

he is so good.

SnoopRock
06-17-2009, 11:28 PM
joe mauer.

he is so good.

He is pretty good at baseball.

marques724
06-18-2009, 03:27 PM
Mauer is putting up great numbers but the fact his team isn't in the playoffs might hurt him so I expect Bay or Tex to win it. In the NL it's Pujols

nasthemasta
06-18-2009, 03:40 PM
No Love for Texeira

sausagejockey
06-18-2009, 04:12 PM
Why not Juan Pierre?

ccspence8
06-18-2009, 05:35 PM
AL MVP: Hunter, Morneau, Bay, Longoria, Teixeira, Mauer
NL MVP: Pujols, Ibanez, Reynolds, Braun, Fielder, Gonzalez

WINNER: Bay & Ibanez

Whoever wins the AL East will decide who is still in the running for MVP between Bay, Longoria and Tex. I think Bay will put up the big numbers in the end over both of them. I don't think Hunter has it in him and its gonna come down to Morneau and Mauer again. Mauer is an unbelievable player but I don't think he can maintain his average. He'll prob end up between 320-340 but the thing thats really going to determine if he can win will be if he can continue to hit the long ball. Morneau robbed Ortiz a couple years back so the Sox are looking for their revenge. The only question between Bay and the title is if he can get his average above 300 because he's going to have him beat in the RBI & SB department leaving HR really close and their averages to become a big factor.

Its going to come down to Pujols and Ibanez because Reynolds is a streaky hitter, Fielder has just starting hitting this past month, Gonzo's average is too low and everyone else doesn't come close IMO. So we know Pujols has it in him and I know Ibanez just hit the DL (but he's not going to be on it long). I think they want to give him a little rest because he looks tired this past week but still has come up clutch. I think Ibanez deserves it more than Pujols and voters will ultimately give it to him because he has really carried the Phillies. Ibanez = Bay...two guys never given a shot to lead a good team. They're quiet and go about their business. Get the job done when its needed (runners on base). Play a decent OF and has carried the team on their shoulders even though some of their superstars have hit rock bottom (Ortiz & Rollins).


AL Cy Young: Greinke, Halladay, Jackson, King Felix, Millwood, Weaver
NL Cy Young: Santana, Gallardo, Cain, Lincecum, Vazquez, Billingsley, Haren, Cueto

Winner: Greinke & Lincecum

I know Greinke has slowed lately but his numbers are amazing he's always been a good pitcher but now he is a superstar. I would've said Halladay would win but the DL stint will hurt his chances.
Lincecum will be consistent. Santana won't pitch well enough, Gallardo will probably get injured and hurt his chances. Vazquez won't get enough wins. Cain, Haren, Cueto and a bunch of others will be on the outside looking in. I think Billingsley has a realistic shot to win it aswell.

degnor
06-18-2009, 05:37 PM
Mauer's tough cause he isn't in the League Leaders yet cause of the fewer ABs. We gotta give him more time to keep this up. He's obviously been incredible so far

ccspence8
06-18-2009, 05:56 PM
No Love for Texeira

More like no love for Bay & Hunter...or Longoria & Zobrist
Almost everyone has said Mauer or Tex. He is having a good season but has anyone taken into account he is playing at a park that lets more HR than Coors Field? Even Johnny Damon has like 14 or something like that.

Now let's look at the splits for hitting AWAY.

AL
Bay .298 11 Hr 31 RBI
Longoria .328 11 Hr 36 RBI
Teixeira .248 7 Hr 19 RBI

Don't even say the new Yankee Stadium hasn't helped him. Look at those numbers and then ask yourself if he really should be MVP.

NL
Gonzalez .298 15 Hr 28 RBI
Pujols .299 11 Hr 24 RBI
Ibanez .314 13 Hr 35 RBI

Better than Pujols.

fresh prince
06-18-2009, 07:30 PM
Nl - Raul Ibanez: Stupid start to the season but now he's hurt so Puljos probable get the edge
AL - Torii Hunter: The Best 2 way player in the game right now. Has won almost as many games with his glove as his bat this year

oldmanwarrior
06-18-2009, 07:38 PM
NL - Pujols
AL - Tori Hunter (carried that team--no offense besides him)

Pinstripe pride
06-19-2009, 09:38 AM
AL MVP: Hunter, Morneau, Bay, Longoria, Teixeira, Mauer
NL MVP: Pujols, Ibanez, Reynolds, Braun, Fielder, Gonzalez

WINNER: Bay & Ibanez

Whoever wins the AL East will decide who is still in the running for MVP between Bay, Longoria and Tex. I think Bay will put up the big numbers in the end over both of them. I don't think Hunter has it in him and its gonna come down to Morneau and Mauer again. Mauer is an unbelievable player but I don't think he can maintain his average. He'll prob end up between 320-340 but the thing thats really going to determine if he can win will be if he can continue to hit the long ball. Morneau robbed Ortiz a couple years back so the Sox are looking for their revenge. The only question between Bay and the title is if he can get his average above 300 because he's going to have him beat in the RBI & SB department leaving HR really close and their averages to become a big factor.

Its going to come down to Pujols and Ibanez because Reynolds is a streaky hitter, Fielder has just starting hitting this past month, Gonzo's average is too low and everyone else doesn't come close IMO. So we know Pujols has it in him and I know Ibanez just hit the DL (but he's not going to be on it long). I think they want to give him a little rest because he looks tired this past week but still has come up clutch. I think Ibanez deserves it more than Pujols and voters will ultimately give it to him because he has really carried the Phillies. Ibanez = Bay...two guys never given a shot to lead a good team. They're quiet and go about their business. Get the job done when its needed (runners on base). Play a decent OF and has carried the team on their shoulders even though some of their superstars have hit rock bottom (Ortiz & Rollins).


AL Cy Young: Greinke, Halladay, Jackson, King Felix, Millwood, Weaver
NL Cy Young: Santana, Gallardo, Cain, Lincecum, Vazquez, Billingsley, Haren, Cueto

Winner: Greinke & Lincecum

I know Greinke has slowed lately but his numbers are amazing he's always been a good pitcher but now he is a superstar. I would've said Halladay would win but the DL stint will hurt his chances.
Lincecum will be consistent. Santana won't pitch well enough, Gallardo will probably get injured and hurt his chances. Vazquez won't get enough wins. Cain, Haren, Cueto and a bunch of others will be on the outside looking in. I think Billingsley has a realistic shot to win it aswell.


Morneau actually robbed Jeter.......

natepro
06-19-2009, 11:13 AM
Whoever wins the AL East will decide who is still in the running for MVP...

How are people still saying this after last year?:confused:




Edit: And honestly, I haven't seen anything that makes me think Ibanez is going to keep up this production.

March/April: .359/.433/.718
May: .312/.366/.661
June: .254/.299/.571


His numbers are doing exactly what they're supposed to do.. regressing to the mean. On the season he's hitting way over his career numbers in all three stats, so I have no idea why anyone would expect it to continue. 5581 PA's worth of data>>>>>>>>>>>>> 280 PA's worth of data.


Also, Pujols has already overtaken him in AVG, OBP, and SLG.

And lastly, it's simply ignorant to say that Ibanez "deserves it more" because he's "carried the Phillies," when Pujols is the ONLY person on the Cardinals with an OPS over 1.000. Seriously, look:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2009.shtml

No one else on the team even hits .800.

Ibanez has Chase Utley also over 1.000 with him, plus Ruiz, Howard, Victorino, and Werth all over .800.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2009.shtml

So... explain to me why Ibanez "deserves it more" over a guy with better overall numbers, and who is the only guy on his team hitting like he is?


Edit2: In fact, now that I look at it, Raul Ibanez isn't even the most valuable player on his team, much less in the whole NL.

Brew Crew
06-19-2009, 11:19 AM
AL MVP: Hunter, Morneau, Bay, Longoria, Teixeira, Mauer
NL MVP: Pujols, Ibanez, Reynolds, Braun, Fielder, Gonzalez

WINNER: Bay & Ibanez

Whoever wins the AL East will decide who is still in the running for MVP between Bay, Longoria and Tex. I think Bay will put up the big numbers in the end over both of them. I don't think Hunter has it in him and its gonna come down to Morneau and Mauer again. Mauer is an unbelievable player but I don't think he can maintain his average. He'll prob end up between 320-340 but the thing thats really going to determine if he can win will be if he can continue to hit the long ball. Morneau robbed Ortiz a couple years back so the Sox are looking for their revenge. The only question between Bay and the title is if he can get his average above 300 because he's going to have him beat in the RBI & SB department leaving HR really close and their averages to become a big factor.

Its going to come down to Pujols and Ibanez because Reynolds is a streaky hitter, Fielder has just starting hitting this past month, Gonzo's average is too low and everyone else doesn't come close IMO. So we know Pujols has it in him and I know Ibanez just hit the DL (but he's not going to be on it long). I think they want to give him a little rest because he looks tired this past week but still has come up clutch. I think Ibanez deserves it more than Pujols and voters will ultimately give it to him because he has really carried the Phillies. Ibanez = Bay...two guys never given a shot to lead a good team. They're quiet and go about their business. Get the job done when its needed (runners on base). Play a decent OF and has carried the team on their shoulders even though some of their superstars have hit rock bottom (Ortiz & Rollins).


AL Cy Young: Greinke, Halladay, Jackson, King Felix, Millwood, Weaver
NL Cy Young: Santana, Gallardo, Cain, Lincecum, Vazquez, Billingsley, Haren, Cueto

Winner: Greinke & Lincecum

I know Greinke has slowed lately but his numbers are amazing he's always been a good pitcher but now he is a superstar. I would've said Halladay would win but the DL stint will hurt his chances.
Lincecum will be consistent. Santana won't pitch well enough, Gallardo will probably get injured and hurt his chances. Vazquez won't get enough wins. Cain, Haren, Cueto and a bunch of others will be on the outside looking in. I think Billingsley has a realistic shot to win it aswell.


I don't want to sound defensive...But what does Fielder just starting to hit now have to do with anything? He leads the majors in RBI at 64, has a good 16 homeruns so far and compliments that with a .302 average and a .430 OBP (with only a handful of guys ahead of him). His slugging also ranks 5th in the NL, and is 3 BB behind Adam Dunn who sits at 1st.

As for Gallardo, I wouldn't consider him for the Cy Young, but you saying "he will probably get injured" is pretty ridiculous. If you are taking into consideration his injury last year, it was a freak accident and besides that, it was his knee and not his arm.

NCBoSoxfan21
06-19-2009, 11:28 AM
Morneau actually robbed Jeter.......

Ortiz: ab 558 r 115 h 160 hr 54 rbi 137 sb 1 bb 119 avg .287 obp .413 slg .636 ops 1.049
Morneau: ab 592 r 97 h 190 hr 34 rbi 130 sb 3 bb 53 avg .321 obp .375 slg .559 ops .934
Jeter: ab 623 r 118 h 214 hr 14 rbi 97 sb 34 bb 69 avg .343 obp .417 slg .483 ops .900

Yeah, no. Ortiz was robbed big time. Jeter always gets votes because he's well-liked not because of his stats (no saying he isn't a good player, he is, but he's also a universally liked individual which really, really, really helps see this years and lasts All-star vote for proof).

natepro
06-19-2009, 11:32 AM
Yeah, no. Ortiz was robbed big time. Jeter always gets votes because he's well-liked not because of his stats (no saying he isn't a good player, he is, but he's also a universally like individual which really, really, really helps see this years and lasts All-star vote for proof).
No. :pity:


All-Stars: Voted on by the fans.

MVP: Voted on by the writer's.

Maybe being liked plays some part in the MVP, but not nearly as much as All-Star Voting. The two are simply different things altogether.


Also, Ortiz value has, is, and will continue to be hurt by the fact that he's a DH. He contributes nothing when it comes to saving runs.


Edit: I just saw your "2009 Predictions." Must be a good year for Boston! :laugh2:

Pinstripe pride
06-19-2009, 11:36 AM
Ortiz: ab 558 r 115 h 160 hr 54 rbi 137 sb 1 bb 119 avg .287 obp .413 slg .636 ops 1.049
Morneau: ab 592 r 97 h 190 hr 34 rbi 130 sb 3 bb 53 avg .321 obp .375 slg .559 ops .934
Jeter: ab 623 r 118 h 214 hr 14 rbi 97 sb 34 bb 69 avg .343 obp .417 slg .483 ops .900

Yeah, no. Ortiz was robbed big time. Jeter always gets votes because he's well-liked not because of his stats (no saying he isn't a good player, he is, but he's also a universally like individual which really, really, really helps see this years and lasts All-star vote for proof).

funny, since the guy I quote siad something about making the playoffs determining it. How the winner of the AL East determines it. Well, since the Yankees won the division that year, and the red sox finished third, yea it was jeters MVP. Nice try though. Even though I do feel Morneau was deserving.

cwilson21
06-19-2009, 11:47 AM
Jeter had Morneau in AVG and OBP but Morneau had him in SLG and OPS. Homerun and RBI totals also matter among a lot of people who vote for the award (not saying I agree with them). Morneau was also much better at defense compared to his peers while Jeter was worse than the league average SS in stats such as range factor.

Pinstripe pride
06-19-2009, 11:51 AM
Jeter had Morneau in AVG and OBP but Morneau had him in SLG and OPS. Homerun and RBI totals also matter among a lot of people who vote for the award (not saying I agree with them). Morneau was also much better at defense compared to his peers while Jeter was worse than the league average SS in stats such as range factor.

I'm completely ok with Morneau winning that. He earned it and definetly deserved it. The race was ortiz vs. jeter the whole time it seemed and he came out of nowhere, so people say he robbed it. My point was if someone was robbed, it was jeter not ortiz. Morneau and jeter have the one stat that seems to really matter for MVP that year, they got their teams to the playoffs

PSU840
06-19-2009, 11:55 AM
NL: Ibanez
AL: Hill

L'MAZZETO
06-19-2009, 11:55 AM
Pujols-NL
Zobrist-AL

cwilson21
06-19-2009, 11:57 AM
I'm completely ok with Morneau winning that. He earned it and definetly deserved it. The race was ortiz vs. jeter the whole time it seemed and he came out of nowhere, so people say he robbed it. My point was if someone was robbed, it was jeter not ortiz. Morneau and jeter have the one stat that seems to really matter for MVP that year, they got their teams to the playoffs

I agree there. I was going to correct the Sox fan that said Ortiz was the one who was robbed but I figured a Yanks fan would do it :D. Hard to win MVP's when you don't make the playoffs and don't play defense.

NCBoSoxfan21
06-19-2009, 12:06 PM
I agree there. I was going to correct the Sox fan that said Ortiz was the one who was robbed but I figured a Yanks fan would do it :D. Hard to win MVP's when you don't make the playoffs and don't play defense.

Ortiz had better numbers than both of them. He should have won.

Your team winning the division has nothing to do with who wins the MVP. Look last year.

natepro
06-19-2009, 12:10 PM
Ortiz had better numbers than both of them. He should have won.

Your team winning the division has nothing to do with who wins the MVP. Look last year.

Again: Ortiz contributed nothing on defense. He has to be vastly better than anyone else to be able to match their total production.

-Lavigne43-
06-19-2009, 12:22 PM
I have no idea how Youkilis has not even been mentioned yet

1.064 OPS behind only Zobrist, Mauer, 169 OPS+ behind only Zobrist, Mauer, .445 wOBA behind only Zobrist, Bartlett and Mauer.

FLeays
06-19-2009, 12:47 PM
I'd say if it were a full season then A-Rod, he has helped the Yankees tremendously since his return.

-Lavigne43-
06-19-2009, 12:57 PM
I'd say if it were a full season then A-Rod, he has helped the Yankees tremendously since his return.

Have you even paid attention to how he has played with the Yankees?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodrial01.shtml

Pinstripe pride
06-19-2009, 01:07 PM
Ortiz had better numbers than both of them. He should have won.

Your team winning the division has nothing to do with who wins the MVP. Look last year.

Last year the sox made the playoffs. the year we are talking about they finished in 3rd place, clearly oustide of the playoffs. Ortiz's power numbers were better, that doesn't mean he was more important to the team succuss. Morneau and Jeter both got their teams to the playoffs, ortiz did not. Youc can say thats not a big factor in the MVP, but it is.

Pinstripe pride
06-19-2009, 01:08 PM
I have no idea how Youkilis has not even been mentioned yet

1.064 OPS behind only Zobrist, Mauer, 169 OPS+ behind only Zobrist, Mauer, .445 wOBA behind only Zobrist, Bartlett and Mauer.

People have been saying Bay, so I'm guessing most people prefer Bay to Youkilis.

MASS-tommy
06-19-2009, 08:10 PM
AL: Mauer,if he can stay consistent, the award is his. Just the fact alone that he is a catcher and tearing it up is amazing.
Honorable mention:Jason Bay is having a hell of a year, under the radar.

NL:Pujols,the guy is not human, year after year he produces.
Honorable mention:Ryan Braun give it to him(Pujols is only 29-30, and will probably win 6 or 7 more M.V.P awards, screw it let Braun get at least one)

StevenStrasburg
06-19-2009, 08:29 PM
AL: Joe Mauer--can he stay over .400?
2nd place: Jason Bay
3rd place: Evan Longoria

NL: Albert Pujols
2nd place: Raul Ibanez
3rd place: Ryan Braun

Zmaster52
06-19-2009, 08:33 PM
NL- Pujols
AL- Bay or mauer

DodgersFanFor23
06-19-2009, 08:54 PM
It's Pujols by a long shot against Ibanez with a little something i like to call defense.
In the AL i like Mauer i mean he could make history. Bay is not close either his strikeouts kill him and his average will also to those who will ACTUALLY be the ones who will pick the MVP's.

RISE ABOVE
06-20-2009, 03:03 AM
Why not Juan Pierre?
Yep JP - NL
ZG- AL

beneddy124
06-21-2009, 07:06 AM
Mauer and Ibanez

meltbakins
06-21-2009, 08:21 AM
there should only be one and that is pujols

Shlumpledink
06-21-2009, 08:33 AM
Pujols should win both