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The_905
06-08-2009, 01:04 PM
Getting outside the Jays forum on this one to see a less biased opinion.

Will Roy Halladay win 25+ games this year?

Yesterday in his second complete game in a row the Doc became the majors first 10 game winner and with a record of 10-1 is on pace to win 27 games (espn projection) this season.

What's the league wide consensus on Roy winning 25+ this year?

jrice9
06-08-2009, 01:05 PM
There is no chance he will win more than 25 games (This is coming from a Jays fan) but 23-24 would be possible and awsome. When was the last time someone won 23 games. 2003?

Pinstripe pride
06-08-2009, 01:05 PM
i say he could, but you never know. 25 would be tough, but he would be the best guy to do it since he rarely has to rely on the bull pen and is dominate.He can over come offensive slumps eaiser than most as well. If I had to say one way or the other, I think he will barring injury. He is the best in the game in my opinion.

bartlett2266
06-08-2009, 01:17 PM
he should have atleast 11 if not 12 already its possible, he pitches well enough to win about 28 times a year, whether hes got the support from hitters and the bullpen is the real question.

scottythegreat1
06-08-2009, 01:19 PM
There is no chance he will win more than 25 games (This is coming from a Jays fan) but 23-24 would be possible and awsome. When was the last time someone won 23 games. 2003?

It was Barry Zito in 2002, with a 24 - 5 record.

Yes, Halladay can certainly make it. it will be a shame if Greinke can win 20 games too, because the press is giving him the Cy Young treatment already.

degnor
06-08-2009, 01:24 PM
Every year, there's a pitcher who starts off hot, and people wonder how high it can go. I remember people mentioning this about Brandon Webb last year. Look for 20-22 from Halladay.

VenezuelanMet
06-08-2009, 01:25 PM
He can if Jays offense keeps rolling.

torontosports10
06-08-2009, 01:27 PM
ill go with 23

Mile High Champ
06-08-2009, 01:29 PM
Unless some freak injury occurs (kevin mench liner off his leg)... He could win between 22-25.. He eats up a lot of innings and as a result he can go deep into games and that allows the jays offense to play catch up if they need to. It gives him a legit shot at a high win total because of this.

BTownTeamsRKing
06-08-2009, 01:31 PM
These complete games have to be wearing on the guy. Every year he ends up on the DL.

Ill got with 19 wins and a trip to the DL for a tired arm after 6th complete game.

If he stays healthy, he will get 24 wins.

mmmdelish
06-08-2009, 01:36 PM
These complete games have to be wearing on the guy. Every year he ends up on the DL.

Ill got with 19 wins and a trip to the DL for a tired arm after 6th complete game.

If he stays healthy, he will get 24 wins.

Ugh... no he doesn't. His only self inflicted injury was his shoulder in 2004 from his intense offseason. The 2005 freak liner off the leg and the 2007 appendicitis had nothing to do with Halladay's workload.

BTownTeamsRKing
06-08-2009, 01:40 PM
Ugh... no he doesn't. His only self inflicted injury was his shoulder in 2004 from his intense offseason. The 2005 freak liner off the leg and the 2007 appendicitis had nothing to do with Halladay's workload.

well maybe im exagerating, but i always see this guy not playing for some reason or another so i have hard time giving him more than 22 wins.

DaYankzFan4rmGB
06-08-2009, 02:29 PM
No way.. he will cool off for sure....

waffles
06-08-2009, 02:31 PM
Every year, there's a pitcher who starts off hot, and people wonder how high it can go. I remember people mentioning this about Brandon Webb last year. Look for 20-22 from Halladay.
i agree for the most part, but when's the last time halladay wasn't pitching great?

natepro
06-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Baseball has a funny way of evening things out as the season goes on. Regressing to the mean and such.


That, and the standard "Who cares how many wins a pitcher has?" would be my answer, I guess.

wright30510
06-08-2009, 03:01 PM
It is possible to win 25 games but I dont think it will happen. His era is 4.50 or something. He has got a lot of run support this year. Johan santana can easliy be 12-0 but he doesnt get enough run support. The most er santana gave up this year was 3. I think that the blue jays are going to run out of offense for halladay. I say he finishes with 18 or 19 wins

More-Than-Most
06-08-2009, 03:02 PM
25 is really possible... Its a no brainier he is the best pitcher in baseball. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE COME TO PHILADELPHIA. We will give up our farm. lol

Hamels
Halladay
Happ
Blanton
Moyer.

:drool::pray:

More-Than-Most
06-08-2009, 03:05 PM
It is possible to win 25 games but I dont think it will happen. His era is 4.50 or something. He has got a lot of run support this year. Johan santana can easliy be 12-0 but he doesnt get enough run support. The most er santana gave up this year was 3. I think that the blue jays are going to run out of offense for halladay. I say he finishes with 18 or 19 wins

His era is 2.52 and unlike Santana he goes all 9 and rarely allows his 7th or 8th inning guy to blow a win for him. Allow Halladay to pitch in the Mets new ball park and he would never lose a game. Very very pitcher friendly park.

ritz
06-08-2009, 03:26 PM
His era is 2.52 and unlike Santana he goes all 9 and rarely allows his 7th or 8th inning guy to blow a win for him. Allow Halladay to pitch in the Mets new ball park and he would never lose a game. Very very pitcher friendly park.

Lets ignore the fact that managers are the ones that pull pitchers from the game. I doubt Johan goes into the dugout after throwing 7 innings and asks to be pulled from the game.

Matt-the-great
06-08-2009, 03:31 PM
Doc SHOULD be 12-1 right now....

Matt-the-great
06-08-2009, 03:32 PM
It is possible to win 25 games but I dont think it will happen. His era is 4.50 or something. He has got a lot of run support this year. Johan santana can easliy be 12-0 but he doesnt get enough run support. The most er santana gave up this year was 3. I think that the blue jays are going to run out of offense for halladay. I say he finishes with 18 or 19 wins

???


haha, one of the funniest things i have ever seen

wright30510
06-08-2009, 03:34 PM
I would be more than satisfied to have halladay pitch for the mets and I think that if the blue hays fall enoguh out and we give them a package they like we might end up with the 2 best pitchers in the league.

abe_froman
06-08-2009, 03:35 PM
no

Pinstripe pride
06-08-2009, 03:56 PM
I would be more than satisfied to have halladay pitch for the mets and I think that if the blue hays fall enoguh out and we give them a package they like we might end up with the 2 best pitchers in the league.

hate to break it to you, but falling out enough to have them trade halliday is them not winning another game until the trade deadline. even then.......

BoTiggle
06-08-2009, 04:13 PM
He is the best pitcher in baseball without a doubt. However, he won't get the run support needed for 25 wins.

cwilson21
06-08-2009, 04:17 PM
He is the best pitcher in baseball without a doubt. However, he won't get the run support needed for 25 wins.

Sub in "IMO" for "without a doubt".

cwilson21
06-08-2009, 04:17 PM
..

Twitchy
06-08-2009, 04:25 PM
These complete games have to be wearing on the guy. Every year he ends up on the DL.

Ill got with 19 wins and a trip to the DL for a tired arm after 6th complete game.

If he stays healthy, he will get 24 wins.

You know he only threw 97 pitches last night in the CG, right?

He was only on the d/l in 04/05. 05 was because a ball hit him in the leg (obviously a result of him throwing too many CG).

I don't think he gets 25 but he has a pretty good chance of getting 20.

MaHaRaJaH
06-08-2009, 04:34 PM
You know he only threw 97 pitches last night in the CG, right?

He was only on the d/l in 04/05. 05 was because a ball hit him in the leg (obviously a result of him throwing too many CG).

I don't think he gets 25 but he has a pretty good chance of getting 20.
Those DL stints are the ONLY years (aside form rookie ones) where he did not make ATLEAST 30 starts.

urban legend
06-08-2009, 04:51 PM
It is possible to win 25 games but I dont think it will happen. His era is 4.50 or something. He has got a lot of run support this year. Johan santana can easliy be 12-0 but he doesnt get enough run support. The most er santana gave up this year was 3. I think that the blue jays are going to run out of offense for halladay. I say he finishes with 18 or 19 wins

Well first of all his era is like 2.5 not 4.5, so he can't be giving up many more runs than santana.... and he should be 12-1 with the last games in baltimore and atl that the team screwed him out of wins

NYYCowboys
06-08-2009, 05:14 PM
I think he's the best pitcher in baseball right now, but no way will he win 25 games. If he played in the NL maybe, but he's not going to win 25 games pitching in the best division in baseball when he's got to face the Yankees, Boston and Tampa Bay multiple times per year. Plus the Bluejays are headed towards the bottom of the AL East already and will probably be in 4th place by the end of the year because there's no way that lineup can keep up the pace they had going at the beginning of the year.

MaHaRaJaH
06-08-2009, 05:27 PM
I think he's the best pitcher in baseball right now, but no way will he win 25 games. If he played in the NL maybe, but he's not going to win 25 games pitching in the best division in baseball when he's got to face the Yankees, Boston and Tampa Bay multiple times per year. Plus the Bluejays are headed towards the bottom of the AL East already and will probably be in 4th place by the end of the year because there's no way that lineup can keep up the pace they had going at the beginning of the year.

2.5 out, a REAL indicator of last place. Halladay historically owned the yanks (16-5) and TB (11-7), however that's irrelevant now since the teams change. Just something about those 2 teams that makes Halladay win. Boston he is 12-12, with 8 of those losses form fenway. Irrelevant, just something about those "situation".

Super.
06-08-2009, 05:49 PM
If anyone could do it, it would be Doc. He has a CHANCE this season to do it, and being in the Al East...easily the best pitcher in baseball

MarkieMark48
06-08-2009, 05:55 PM
It is possible to win 25 games but I dont think it will happen. His era is 4.50 or something. He has got a lot of run support this year. Johan santana can easliy be 12-0 but he doesnt get enough run support. The most er santana gave up this year was 3. I think that the blue jays are going to run out of offense for halladay. I say he finishes with 18 or 19 wins

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Halladay
06-08-2009, 06:06 PM
well maybe im exagerating, but i always see this guy not playing for some reason or another so i have hard time giving him more than 22 wins.

haha you have no idea what you're talking about. Look it up man because you're way off.

Halladay
06-08-2009, 06:08 PM
Doc has a chance at 20-25 wins but it all depends on the bullpen, the bullpen is what decides whether a pitcher can get the win or the no decision. As useless of a stat as a pitchers win/loss record is,I guess it still means something to some people.

Halladay
06-08-2009, 06:09 PM
I think he's the best pitcher in baseball right now, but no way will he win 25 games. If he played in the NL maybe, but he's not going to win 25 games pitching in the best division in baseball when he's got to face the Yankees, Boston and Tampa Bay multiple times per year. Plus the Bluejays are headed towards the bottom of the AL East already and will probably be in 4th place by the end of the year because there's no way that lineup can keep up the pace they had going at the beginning of the year.

Good old Yankee fans lol. Please tell me what this has to do with this topic?

davg31
06-08-2009, 06:29 PM
He should win 20-22 but not anymore. The Jays face tough matchups with us(Yanks), Sox and probably a hot Tampa team throughout the season

davg31
06-08-2009, 06:34 PM
Good old Yankee fans lol. Please tell me what this has to do with this topic?

Because if your team doesnt score you runs then you dont win. The game against AJ proves that point. AJ had to tip his cap to the Blue Jays batters after the game because he admitted they jumped on every single mistake he made which wasnt that many but he still gave up 5(cant remember if it was definetly 5) runs. If the Blue Jays batters were cold then the game would have been tied and a BP pitcher would have gotten the win.

See his point now?

Halladay
06-08-2009, 06:47 PM
Because if your team doesnt score you runs then you dont win. The game against AJ proves that point. AJ had to tip his cap to the Blue Jays batters after the game because he admitted they jumped on every single mistake he made which wasnt that many but he still gave up 5(cant remember if it was definetly 5) runs. If the Blue Jays batters were cold then the game would have been tied and a BP pitcher would have gotten the win.

See his point now?

And the Jays have one of, if the not the highest scoring offense in baseball. See my point?

degnor
06-08-2009, 07:13 PM
i agree for the most part, but when's the last time halladay wasn't pitching great?

Halladay is an incredible pitcher, and with the exception of Johan, I would say the best pitcher of this decade. But he's playing for a team that overachieved its first two months, and has recently come back to earth. As his team settles back to mediocrity (sorry Jays fans, if its any help, im rooting for you guys to win the East) so will Halladay's run support. He may hit a rough patch where he gets a few NDs in a row, and next thing we know, 25 is out the window. It's actually very difficult if you think about to win that many. He only will start 33 games or so. So he can only afford to not win 8 of them.

He's been great, but he's always been great, so why is this the year he gets 25? Hasn't happened before for even him, and I would be surprised if it did this year.

degnor
06-08-2009, 07:15 PM
And the Jays have one of, if the not the highest scoring offense in baseball. See my point?

He means that that stat is likely to go down, thus affecting Halladay's win total.

JFiolek13
06-08-2009, 07:27 PM
25 is high but you can't say no, he is lights out. As far as his Team goes he should be at 12 by now. He gets a min of another 20 starts are you saying he can't win 15 of those? He also doesn't start many games against the Yankees or Red Sox this year.

JFiolek13
06-08-2009, 07:39 PM
Remaining Games
W - June 12th - Marlins
W - June 17th - Phillies
W - June 23rd - Reds
W - June 28th - Phillies
L - July 3rd - Yankees
W - July 7th - Rays
W - July 12th - Orioles
W - July 17th - Red Sox
L - July 22nd - Indians
W - July 27th - Mariners
W -August 1st - A's
W - August 7th - Orioles
W - August 12th - Yankees
L - August 18th - Red Sox
W - August 23rd - Angels
W - August 28th - Red Sox
W- September 2nd - Rangers
W - September 7th - Twins
W - September 12th - Tigers
L - September 16th - Yankees
W - September 20th - Rays
W - September 24th - Mariners
W - September 28th - Red Sox

19 - 4 in the remaining games onsider 4 ND record is 25-5, I am calling it know 25 wins for Doc barring injury!

VinScully4pres.
06-08-2009, 07:42 PM
I think that given their home record, the weak division, their outstanding play and the fact that Manny is returning soon, Hallday will reach 25+ wins as soon as he is traded to the Dodgers. :clap:

If he is not traded to the Dodgers, he will still reach 20 though.

jrice9
06-08-2009, 07:45 PM
Remaining Games
W - June 12th - Marlins
W - June 17th - Phillies
W - June 23rd - Reds
W - June 28th - Phillies
L - July 3rd - Yankees
W - July 7th - Rays
W - July 12th - Orioles
W - July 17th - Red Sox
L - July 22nd - Indians
W - July 27th - Mariners
W -August 1st - A's
W - August 7th - Orioles
W - August 12th - Yankees
L - August 18th - Red Sox
W - August 23rd - Angels
W - August 28th - Red Sox
W- September 2nd - Rangers
W - September 7th - Twins
W - September 12th - Tigers
L - September 16th - Yankees
W - September 20th - Rays
W - September 24th - Mariners
W - September 28th - Red Sox

19 - 4 in the remaining games onsider 4 ND record is 25-5, I am calling it know 25 wins for Doc barring injury!
Hallada wont lose twice to the yankees.

Young2Kinsler
06-08-2009, 07:45 PM
As long as he keeps dodging the Rangers in 4 game series :) lol

If anyone can, it's certainly him.

Twinke Masta
06-08-2009, 07:51 PM
25 would be the MAX he wins IMO

Zmaster52
06-08-2009, 08:14 PM
its unlikely he would win 25 but most likely between 20-22 would be a bit more reasonable considering you can't win every start and the bullpen or defense would blow it for you

dtmagnet
06-08-2009, 08:32 PM
I just want to see him beat last years 20 wins, 22 would be awsome, 25 and I'll have to stop procrastinating and buy his jersey.

dodgers310
06-08-2009, 11:29 PM
25 wins is alot it means you gotta to pitch great every game and get run support each start to

Rogi10
06-09-2009, 12:41 AM
It is possible to win 25 games but I dont think it will happen. His era is 4.50 or something. He has got a lot of run support this year. Johan santana can easliy be 12-0 but he doesnt get enough run support. The most er santana gave up this year was 3. I think that the blue jays are going to run out of offense for halladay. I say he finishes with 18 or 19 wins

hahaha, do you even know who Halladay is?

MaHaRaJaH
06-09-2009, 12:44 AM
25 wins is alot it means you gotta to pitch great every game and get run support each start to

Which he has on both accounts.

bosox3431
06-09-2009, 12:52 AM
25 wins is alot it means you gotta to pitch great every game and get run support each start to

and his team has to score more then the other team

PhillyBoomerang
06-09-2009, 01:45 AM
25 games.. possible, but not likely.. its very hard to do that these days.. however i would love to see this guy get 25, he def. has the stuff to do it

torrance
06-09-2009, 02:10 AM
Remaining Games
W - June 12th - Marlins
W - June 17th - Phillies
W - June 23rd - Reds
W - June 28th - Phillies
L - July 3rd - Yankees
W - July 7th - Rays
W - July 12th - Orioles
W - July 17th - Red Sox
L - July 22nd - Indians
W - July 27th - Mariners
W -August 1st - A's
W - August 7th - Orioles
W - August 12th - Yankees
L - August 18th - Red Sox
W - August 23rd - Angels
W - August 28th - Red Sox
W- September 2nd - Rangers
W - September 7th - Twins
W - September 12th - Tigers
L - September 16th - Yankees
W - September 20th - Rays
W - September 24th - Mariners
W - September 28th - Red Sox

19 - 4 in the remaining games onsider 4 ND record is 25-5, I am calling it know 25 wins for Doc barring injury!

Now that's a bold prediction. Please send me the correct lottery numbers to play.

JaysFan87
06-09-2009, 12:21 PM
I would be more than satisfied to have halladay pitch for the mets and I think that if the blue hays fall enoguh out and we give them a package they like we might end up with the 2 best pitchers in the league.

QUICK TRIVIA TIME: WHo is closer to the division leader? THe Blue Jays OR THe Mets?

cynomatic
06-09-2009, 02:30 PM
It is possible to win 25 games but I dont think it will happen. His era is 4.50 or something. He has got a lot of run support this year. Johan santana can easliy be 12-0 but he doesnt get enough run support. The most er santana gave up this year was 3. I think that the blue jays are going to run out of offense for halladay. I say he finishes with 18 or 19 wins

Do you watch baseball?

I think Doc will end up winning around 23 games this season ...If he keeps up his pace he will get 28 :D

Johann
06-09-2009, 03:20 PM
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haha, one of the funniest things i have ever seen

then you must have a very dull life... =]
jokes :p

yea, the guys supportin a 2.5 ish ERA this season

Johann
06-09-2009, 03:27 PM
Halladay is an incredible pitcher, and with the exception of Johan, I would say the best pitcher of this decade. But he's playing for a team that overachieved its first two months, and has recently come back to earth. As his team settles back to mediocrity (sorry Jays fans, if its any help, im rooting for you guys to win the East) so will Halladay's run support. He may hit a rough patch where he gets a few NDs in a row, and next thing we know, 25 is out the window. It's actually very difficult if you think about to win that many. He only will start 33 games or so. So he can only afford to not win 8 of them.

He's been great, but he's always been great, so why is this the year he gets 25? Hasn't happened before for even him, and I would be surprised if it did this year.

sure, santana and halladay are very very good, but they surely arent leading 'best pitcher of the decade' by that much. randy johnson, maddux, clemens and even oswalt have had a nice decade.

cheerio
06-09-2009, 03:35 PM
Getting outside the Jays forum on this one to see a less biased opinion.

Will Roy Halladay win 25+ games this year?

Yesterday in his second complete game in a row the Doc became the majors first 10 game winner and with a record of 10-1 is on pace to win 27 games (espn projection) this season.

What's the league wide consensus on Roy winning 25+ this year?

I see him at maybe 19 or 20 wins. It is hard to keep the pace he is on.

Halladay
06-09-2009, 03:47 PM
Last time I checked Halladay was getting roughly 4 or 5 runs in support a game. His ERA is below 3 and will probably remain around 3 all season. As long as the ERA stays where it is he's most likely going to reach atleast 20. I don't think 4 runs in support is asking a whole lot, for some reason the Jays offense continues to get overlooked by many people. The Jays have a good offense, very well balanced we just don't have the big names of the Yankees or Mets. Think of it like the Texas Rangers, a team who obviously reaps the rewards of their ballpark but they're had some of the best offenses in the majors over the last 5 or 6 years, maybe more, but how many players can most people even name from that team? maybe 3 or 4? Anyone see what I'm saying?

pf289
06-09-2009, 04:04 PM
24 wins

JAYZFAN9
06-09-2009, 04:06 PM
25 is really possible... Its a no brainier he is the best pitcher in baseball. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE COME TO PHILADELPHIA. We will give up our farm. lol

Hamels
Halladay
Happ
Blanton
Moyer.

:drool::pray:

Is there a reason why Doc is below Hamels on your projected depth chart?

pf289
06-09-2009, 04:10 PM
Bastaros looks good though.

thawv
06-09-2009, 04:26 PM
He's winning 76% of his starts right now. That's going to be hard to keep up. At this same pace with 34 starts, he wins 25-26 games. I just don't see it happening.

JAYZFAN9
06-09-2009, 04:38 PM
To answer the question I will say most likely not...

Anything under 22 will be a disappointment to me tho as he is already at 10

Halladay
06-10-2009, 04:54 PM
Just thought I'd mention to all the people who think he's "injury prone" when they have nothing to back it up with. Halladay averages 231 IP a season over 162 games. How many pitchers of his quality can do that? Peavy-215. Santana-213. Webb-226. Oswalt-222. Interesting isn't it.

bagwell368
06-10-2009, 07:08 PM
21 max

bagwell368
06-10-2009, 07:14 PM
Just thought I'd mention to all the people who think he's "injury prone" when they have nothing to back it up with. Halladay averages 231 IP a season over 162 games. How many pitchers of his quality can do that? Peavy-215. Santana-213. Webb-226. Oswalt-222. Interesting isn't it.

Wrong. Since the start of the 2004 season, Santana has more innings pitched per season then "doc". I know this because I figured it out for the "doc" vs. Santana arguments last month.

The only way you get near that is by taking 2006 and later. You didn't specify that, just made a blanket statement which sounds like cherry picking to me.

Santana > Halladay

Get used to saying it.

JAYZFAN9
06-10-2009, 07:20 PM
doc rules !

Twitchy
06-10-2009, 07:40 PM
Wrong. Since the start of the 2004 season, Santana has more innings pitched per season then "doc". I know this because I figured it out for the "doc" vs. Santana arguments last month.

The only way you get near that is by taking 2006 and later. You didn't specify that, just made a blanket statement which sounds like cherry picking to me.

Santana > Halladay

Get used to saying it.

Picking 2004 isn't cherry picking? Cause picking a season when Halladay is injured can't be considered cherry picking at all :rolleyes:. Or a legitimate comparison. Because as we all know, comparing healthy pitchers to injured pitchers obviously proves that one player is better than the other :rolleyes:

Why not go back to 2002 when Halladay was officially a SP for the first time? That would make sense. Since then he's thrown 1571 1/3 innings. Santana has thrown 1492 innings since that point. And yes, I know Santana wasn't a starter until 2003. I guess that's cherry picking, comparing two starting pitchers since they've both become starters.

So for your benefit, let's use 3 year splits then. It really doesn't matter what they did any more than 3 years ago anyways, because how they pitched in 2005 doesn't have any bearing on how they'll pitch in 2009.

07-09 - Halladay - 571 1/3, Santana 532 1/3

Don't want to include this year? How about 06-08, a true 3 year split

Halladay - 691 1/3
Santana - 687

Your arguments don't hold any water because you're arguing that a healthy pitcher pitches more than a guy who was injured. Doesn't take a statistic to prove that's the case. Makes a little more sense to compare people who are healthy. Plus, you either compare their whole career, 3 year splits, or the current year. Anything else is by definition, cherry picking. Which you seem to be against. Or claim to be.:rolleyes:

They're both terrific pitchers dude. You don't have to keep trying to show us you're an E-Gangster. We'll take your word for it. They're both the most dominant starters of the past 7-8 years. Leave it at that, and move on.

iscream
06-10-2009, 08:17 PM
Well, Peter Gammons is already thinking about 30 wins for doc.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook?page=bbtn

JAYZFAN9
06-10-2009, 08:29 PM
lol 30? come on now

Halladay
06-10-2009, 10:07 PM
Wrong. Since the start of the 2004 season, Santana has more innings pitched per season then "doc". I know this because I figured it out for the "doc" vs. Santana arguments last month.

The only way you get near that is by taking 2006 and later. You didn't specify that, just made a blanket statement which sounds like cherry picking to me.

Santana > Halladay

Get used to saying it.

Haha very weak argument on your part. Thing is I stated all the top pitchers in baseball IP average over their entire careers and Doc is right up their with the best of them. The point I was proving was all this BS that he's "injury-prone". Meanwhile the only injuries Doc has had in a very long time was a line drive that broke his leg. Hardly what I'd call "injury prone". Anyway, no, I'm not wrong. Good effort though sport. ;)

Halladay
06-10-2009, 10:08 PM
lol 30? come on now

That was after he drank a 2-4...of Canadian beer.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-11-2009, 09:04 PM
He is already 10-1 in 13 games.

I don't think he'll lose more than 5 so I think he will pass it.

He will play about 32-35 games this season. Maybe even more seeing as how the rest of the bull pen is getting injured. The Blue Jay might move it to a 4 game rest instead of 5 if the Bull pen gets worse. So there is a chance that he will play more that 35 games.

I say he gets about 26 and 5.

icehawkmike
06-12-2009, 06:11 PM
He's winning 76% of his starts right now. That's going to be hard to keep up. At this same pace with 34 starts, he wins 25-26 games. I just don't see it happening.


For his career he wins 70% of his starts not just this year.

MooseWithFleas
06-12-2009, 06:26 PM
My guess is he and his team slows down a bit and he gets somewhere in the 18-20 range. I'd put the limit at 23, though it would be cool to see him make a run at 25.