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Half-Truism
06-04-2009, 02:43 PM
All 3 are available. We've talked with the Marlins about Ross and Hermida. And Willingham I'm pretty sure is available. Who would you want to trade for? I'd rather take Willingham over any of them.

MrJones
06-04-2009, 02:54 PM
Out of the three I think Willingham is the best player. Willingham > Ross, & Hermida (although a hometown boy) is a LEFTY... and we don't need another left-handed bat.

eaglesalltheway
06-04-2009, 03:00 PM
we were discussing them before the mcClouth trade

atl_braves_fan
06-04-2009, 03:05 PM
No question Willingham is the best of the three. That would be a great pickup and he could keep one of the corners occupied for the remainder of this year and next year while waiting for Heyward -- I really don't want to rush him.

nps6724
06-04-2009, 03:11 PM
Willingham. He's the oldest (30) but has the best combination of BA, OBP, and SLG. His BABIP is also 50 points below league average so when it normalizes, his numbers will be even better. Hermida's is very high and he's still not having that great a year so he's due to fall off some.

As for defense, Hermida is only above Diaz among NL LFs in RZR and he's 19th in OOZ. Willingham would be 4th in RZR if he had enough innings (and assuming he stayed consistent) and is 7th in OOZ among NL LFs. Ross is slightly below Francoeur in RZR and 13th in OOZ among NL RFs (tied with Francoeur). He's also played CF and would be last in RZR if he qualified.

Ross is basically a carbon copy of Francoeur if Jeff was still hitting for power like in 2007. Hermida is the youngest at 25 and is a slightly better version of the 2009 Francoeur with more walks. So we have the choice of 2 different Francoeurs or Willingham. I take Willingham.

ATLKoos16
06-04-2009, 03:51 PM
I say we wait a little bit to see if maybe Frenchy keeps coming around, that away if he starts playing better we dont have to give anyone else. Out of those three, i like Hermida except that he's left handed but i really like Willinghams power

Vinny642
06-04-2009, 04:03 PM
I really wish we got Griffey instead of anderson, I'd take Willingham outta them

CrippledRam
06-04-2009, 04:14 PM
Griffey vs RHP: .236/.679 OPS/2 HR
Anderson vs RHP: .232/.635 OPS/ 2 HR

Basically the same

Vinny642
06-04-2009, 04:19 PM
I really just like Griffey more.

NBA_Starter
06-04-2009, 04:25 PM
Griffey vs RHP: .236/.679 OPS/2 HR
Anderson vs RHP: .232/.635 OPS/ 2 HR

Basically the same

Except for Griffey Jr's 4 HR's against LHP.

Vinny642
06-04-2009, 04:30 PM
yea we havent been hitting HRs yet. I hope McClouth can improve us there

NBA_Starter
06-04-2009, 04:37 PM
Ross can rake but we don't need another Lefty!

b_rad23
06-04-2009, 04:42 PM
Ross can rake but we don't need another Lefty!

Ross hits righty and throws lefty.

MagicDojo
06-04-2009, 05:11 PM
Ross for sure.

bravesfan22193
06-04-2009, 06:06 PM
Ross or Willingham is fine with me, both can put up 20-25 homers and get on base at a steady clip

NBA_Starter
06-04-2009, 07:23 PM
Ross hits righty and throws lefty.

Thanks my b I forgot that. Ross for sure then!:clap:

Half-Truism
06-04-2009, 10:16 PM
Braves are talking to the Marlins about Ross right now.

Braves_Fan_RSD
06-04-2009, 10:22 PM
how do you know this. . . . . . . . link????????

robdizzle3
06-04-2009, 10:59 PM
I also agree with waiting a while to see if Frenchy can get it going.But that also will drive up the price for these players because ither teams will be bidding as well

BRAVE KID
06-04-2009, 11:15 PM
how do you know this. . . . . . . . link????????


Joe Frisaro at MLB.com confirms the discussions between the Braves and Marlins regarding Cody Ross, saying the Marlins were looking to dip into the Braves' pitching depth. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

bravesrule
06-04-2009, 11:21 PM
Braves are talking to the Marlins about Ross right now.

ummm.. That was definitely BEFORE the McLouth trade.

However, if the Braves do keep talking about trading for Ross that would be great considering an OF of Anderson/Diaz, McLouth, and Frenchy still isn't that good.

A lineup looking like this would be pretty sweet:

1. KJ
2. Esco
3. McLouth
4. Chipper
5. McCann
6. Ross
7. Kotchman
8. Anderson/Diaz

However, I still believe it is too early to give up on Frenchy. But maybe some time in the minors would do him some good.

NBA_Starter
06-04-2009, 11:31 PM
ummm.. That was definitely BEFORE the McLouth trade.

The last update on the above link was after we got Nate. So I guess the talks are on, maybe put Ross in LF?

nps6724
06-04-2009, 11:32 PM
Ross plays RF, plus Diaz/ GA are doing well unlike Jeff.

NBA_Starter
06-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Bad thing is they are wanting to dip into our pitching depth though, Send them at most Franky and some minor leaguers and I'm all for it!

bravesrule
06-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Medlen for Ross?

bravesrule
06-04-2009, 11:39 PM
The last update on the above link was after we got Nate. So I guess the talks are on, maybe put Ross in LF?

Yeah I saw that but read this article...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090604&content_id=5151840&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla&partnerId=rss_fla

robdizzle3
06-04-2009, 11:41 PM
Who would we send for a Ross or WIllingham?I wouldnt want to trade Medlen,but it would only be for a big time bat

nps6724
06-04-2009, 11:45 PM
What other pitching prospects do we have available that aren't really needed?

bravesrule
06-04-2009, 11:49 PM
^ Cole Rohrbough, Kris Medlen, Jo-Jo Reyes. to list a few

nps6724
06-04-2009, 11:52 PM
Gotta believe Medlen is staying since he's the next "ready" guy plus you want to keep him as your big chip in case a great deal comes along. And Jo-Jo probably has negative value. So that leaves Cole. Looking at his numbers, he doesn't seem to pitch a whole lot (hasn't even made 20 starts or hit 100 IP in a year) and he's been very inconsistent. He's also 22 in A+. Isn't that a little old for A+? That may be our guy.

bravesrule
06-05-2009, 12:07 AM
I wouldn't mind trading Medlen with all the SP talent we have at the moment. only problem is after we trade Medlen we have a strong SP rotation in the majors but very little to dig out of the minors when we need them. This is where the 7th pick in the draft comes in handy

Braves_Fan_RSD
06-05-2009, 12:14 AM
Ok if im reading all these links correctly we WERE in discussions for David Ross and after we acquired McLouth those discussions ended. In both links the story is stating how the Marlins ALMOST sent Ross to us for pitching, it says nothing about us STILL being in discussions, don't get me wrong we could still go after Ross, but as of right now NONE of these links say that we are currently in discussions just pointing out what could've been.

bravesrule
06-05-2009, 12:16 AM
^that is correct

MrJones
06-05-2009, 12:37 AM
^that is correct

except it's Cody, not David... David Ross is our back-up catcher already :).

bravesrule
06-05-2009, 12:44 AM
^that is correct.. lol

serGeant
06-05-2009, 12:46 AM
Hermida is an Atlanta guy, but he hits from the left side, so Ross or Willingham would make logical sense. I lean toward Ross.

A_Brave_Pack
06-05-2009, 01:24 AM
I think the most important thing here is cost. Not $$$, but prospects. All things considered, IF the Braves make another move, I hope it is for whoever they can get for the cheapest amount of prospects.

Prospects:
OF Brandon Jones
OF Gregor Blanco
C Clint Sammons
3B Eric Campbell
1B Kala Ka'aihue
SP Jo-Jo Reyes
SP Cole Rohrbough
SP Todd Redmond
SP James Parr
SP Deunte Heath
SP Brett Butts
RP Juan Perez
RP Boone Logan

^^^I think I named off most of the Braves 'prospects' that have any trade value.

Braves_Fan_RSD
06-05-2009, 01:43 AM
Im assuming that you are putting Hanson Heyward Freeman Tehran and Medlen as "untouchables" which I totally agree with but I'd have to add these guys as some who have value.

Craig Kimbrel
Randall Delgado
Brett DeVall
Stephen Merek
Cody Johnson
Brandon Hicks
Luis Valdez
Scott Diamond

A_Brave_Pack
06-05-2009, 01:46 AM
Ahh...Good call with those specs.

And, yes, I figured those guys were 'untouchable'.

rtgthree
06-05-2009, 02:58 PM
Braves are talking to the Marlins about Ross right now.

I hope those discussions are ongoing, but all the reports say they took place before the McLouth trade. No word on whether they have continued.


^ Cole Rohrbough, Kris Medlen, Jo-Jo Reyes. to list a few

I would not trade Rohrbough or Medlen. Rohrbough has far too much upside; once he gets healthy, he's the next Tommy Hanson...peripherals are studly, and he's left-handed. And Medlen looks special to me as well.

Someone said Reyes has "negative trade value," and I don't think that's true. There's still upside there, for a young lefty with good stuff. He's not a centerpiece, but he's in play for a guy like Ross or Ryan Spilborghs. James Parr is definitely movable, and likely has some value. I would list Scott Diamond and Edgar Osuna as other guys that rank in the top 20 in our system who would be close to top-10 for other organizations, and who might interest other teams. Brandon Hicks and Eric Campbell are trade possibilities from the hitters' side.

samanjerry
06-05-2009, 04:38 PM
wren has so far made trades that noone had and idea about. so im gonna say none of these guys are gonna be traded for. wren will get someone completely unexpected just like mclouth. my guess is Clyde drexler from the 1989 trailblazers. he will play left field and hit 50 3pointers rest of the way

AustinTheGreat
06-09-2009, 02:39 PM
"According to Peter Gammons, the Marlins were close to trading Ross to the Braves before Atlanta acquired Nate McLouth, the Marlins web site reports."

interesting i didnt know that. Glad we got mclouth. by the way thats written on cody ross's pop up window in fantasy baseball.

Braves_Fan_RSD
06-09-2009, 02:41 PM
"According to Peter Gammons, the Marlins were close to trading Ross to the Braves before Atlanta acquired Nate McLouth, the Marlins web site reports."

interesting i didnt know that. Glad we got mclouth. by the way thats written on cody ross's pop up window in fantasy baseball.

Yeah it was posted about a week ago in the "we got McClouth" thread and then in the "Willingham, Ross, Hermida" thread if you would like to read all the discussions about it check in those threads. :)

NBA_Starter
06-09-2009, 02:43 PM
I wish we had them both!:confused:

AustinTheGreat
06-10-2009, 03:01 PM
o i didnt read all the thread. i tend to skim haha. So im thinking we still need another OF. I extremely dont like the platoon in LF. Anderson is a bum to me, diaz although is a good player should not be everyday player. Hes a platoon at best and would be a good bench player. Are braves still talkin about another trade for another OF???

GLASSMAN
06-10-2009, 03:46 PM
wren has so far made trades that noone had and idea about. so im gonna say none of these guys are gonna be traded for. wren will get someone completely unexpected just like mclouth. my guess is Clyde(the glide) drexler from the 1989 trailblazers. he will play left field and hit 50 3pointers rest of the way

We already have someone who glides to the ball in left.:eyebrow:

ATLKoos16
06-10-2009, 04:52 PM
Im assuming that you are putting Hanson Heyward Freeman Tehran and Medlen as "untouchables" which I totally agree with but I'd have to add these guys as some who have value.

Craig Kimbrel
Randall Delgado
Brett DeVall
Stephen Merek
Cody Johnson
Brandon Hicks
Luis Valdez
Scott Diamond


I really want to keep Brett DeVall though. He is pitching lights out right now. Cody Johnson has a ton of value right now, he already has 18 bombs in either high A or AA i cant remember which.

16-McCann-16
06-10-2009, 04:58 PM
i say hermida...he's solid and young

atl_braves_fan
06-10-2009, 05:27 PM
^^ he's also left handed. Let's get Willingham.