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NBA_Starter
05-29-2009, 05:38 PM
In Texas since they have Hamilton they have been using him in LF when he plays. The other day against the NYY they had Marlon Byrd starting over him in LF, If Andruw were going to move to LF and play for the League Minimum or whatever he may as well have returned to the Braves...:(

uncblue2332
05-29-2009, 05:45 PM
No!

nps6724
05-29-2009, 05:48 PM
mi·rage (m-räzh)
n.
1. An optical phenomenon that creates the illusion of water, often with inverted reflections of distant objects, and results from distortion of light by alternate layers of hot and cool air. Also called fata morgana.
2. Something illusory or insubstantial.
3. Offense from any player whose home games occur in the Ballpark at Arlington, Coors Field, Citizens Bank Ballpark, New Yankees Stadium, or Great American Ballpark.

AJ's splits a Coors-like in favor of the home stadium.

Home: .326/.474/.698, 13 RS, 14 H, 7 2B, 3 HR, 10 RBI, 12 BB, 10 SO, .355 BABIP
Away: .233/.361/.367, 1 RS, 7 H, 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 6 BB, 6 SO, .261 BABIP

He's having a tremendous season at home and a Schafer-like season away from Arlington. No thanks.

bravesfan22193
05-29-2009, 05:48 PM
look at his numbers away from their home park and you will quickly change your mind

nps beat me to it, those splits are scary

MrJones
05-29-2009, 05:57 PM
So, do we really want someone that's offense is going to look just like Frenchy's ... but with a smile every time he strikes out :) ???

Jon93405
05-29-2009, 06:22 PM
I just wish the Tigers had figured out they were releasing Sheffield 5 weeks sooner. He would have been a perfect guy for us in LF for $2 million less than GA.

rtgthree
05-29-2009, 07:08 PM
Home: .326/.474/.698, 13 RS, 14 H, 7 2B, 3 HR, 10 RBI, 12 BB, 10 SO, .355 BABIP
Away: .233/.361/.367, 1 RS, 7 H, 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 6 BB, 6 SO, .261 BABIP

He's having a tremendous season at home and a Schafer-like season away from Arlington. No thanks.

Whoa, easy now, nps.

Schafer is hitting .205/.317/.295 with a .316 BABIP. He's getting a healthy number of his balls in play to fall for hits, but he's striking out so much that he's actually in danger of his batting average falling even further.

Andruw, on the other hand, even if you look only at his away numbers, is getting pretty UNlucky (.261 BABIP) and still managing a .233 average. Tack an extra 40 points on his BABIP to normalize his luck, and he's hitting .273/.401/.407. Maybe not much power, but like his "dismal" 2007 season, he's getting on base at a very healthy clip. And even if you account for the 14-run difference between playing a corner outfield spot and playing center, Andruw is playing better D than Schafer as well.

If nothing else, having Andruw around would enable the Braves to allow Schafer to finish developing properly. I would have taken Andruw back in a heartbeat when he was a free agent (and I said as much on this board repeatedly), but I realize that our window of opportunity has likely closed at this point. Too bad.

Vinny642
05-29-2009, 07:09 PM
Na he had his time with us it was time to split

AustinTheGreat
05-29-2009, 08:23 PM
i wish we could of kept Renteria and he could of played 2nd. Yunel's range is longer so he would have to move to 2nd. But did u guys not love renteria??? It seemed like he was always the guy to get the hit for us. He was so clutch. He knows how to hit to opposite side of the field and everything. I mean just look at his numbers in ATL. Solid. Yunel is yet to fill renteria's shoes.

atl_braves_fan
05-29-2009, 08:35 PM
i wish we could of kept Renteria and he could of played 2nd. Yunel's range is longer so he would have to move to 2nd. But did u guys not love renteria??? It seemed like he was always the guy to get the hit for us. He was so clutch. He knows how to hit to opposite side of the field and everything. I mean just look at his numbers in ATL. Solid. Yunel is yet to fill renteria's shoes.

Maybe so, but I would rather have Jair Jurjens and Gorkys Hernandez than Renteria at second.

AustinTheGreat
05-29-2009, 08:40 PM
Maybe so, but I would rather have Jair Jurjens and Gorkys Hernandez than Renteria at second.

Ya True. The trade was great. But Renteria also was a Free Agent and we didnt go after him.

atl_braves_fan
05-29-2009, 09:07 PM
Ya True. The trade was great. But Renteria also was a Free Agent and we didnt go after him.

San Francisco is paying him $8 million. The Braves would have had no business paying him that. If they had that kind of money available, they should have signed Dunn. I liked him too, but that ship sailed two years ago and the Braves are much better for it.

lavell12
05-29-2009, 09:28 PM
Andruw has had so few ABs that I think his home away split is a fluke. Overall his numbers are great.

76ABs 5HR .303avg .443OB .605SLG 1.049OPS

NBA_Starter
05-29-2009, 09:47 PM
I'm glad to see though I'm in the minority I'm not the only one that would take him back in a minute. Forget about splits for home and away the kid is terrible everywhere so with Andruw we'd gain something.

nps6724
05-30-2009, 12:03 AM
Andruw has had so few ABs that I think his home away split is a fluke. Overall his numbers are great.

76ABs 5HR .303avg .443OB .605SLG 1.049OPS

Considering how drastically different his splits are, I seriously doubt it's a fluke. He has almost no power away from Arlington.

samanjerry
05-30-2009, 02:37 AM
RENTERIA was great for us but getting jair and gorkyz is better than Wren expected for sure. and escobar hasnt proven himself to the liikes of renteria but so far he has filled renterias shoes here in atlanta. he is gonna be a better player than we expected.

To think Andrews away numbers are a fluke is a joke. dont get me wrong he's doing better than any of our OFs expect Diaz, but jones will continue to stryggle away from texas

Jon93405
05-30-2009, 03:46 AM
It's time to start teaching Brooks Conrad to play the OF.

.863 OPS in AAA, after hitting 28 HR's last season. He has power, and I'd like to see what he can do. I'm tired of watching Garret Anderson jog after balls in the gap.

littleknighty
05-30-2009, 09:51 AM
Id take AJ back in a second. I think an old favorite coming home would bring some folks to the stadium. I for one will attend Glavines first start and would love to watch Jones play(if he keeps hitting). I know living in the past is sometimes bad but Aj Right now would be worth a shot. I would hate to give Texas another pitching prospect though.

MrJones
05-30-2009, 10:00 AM
It's time to start teaching Brooks Conrad to play the OF.

.863 OPS in AAA, after hitting 28 HR's last season. He has power, and I'd like to see what he can do. I'm tired of watching Garret Anderson jog after balls in the gap.

I'd rather have him play 2nd and trade Kelly + a mid prospect for Ankiel or Ludwick... but that's just me.

rtgthree
05-30-2009, 11:54 AM
Considering how drastically different his splits are, I seriously doubt it's a fluke. He has almost no power away from Arlington.

And? He's still getting on base and playing good defense, which is more than any of our outfielders can say.

BravoFan3736
05-30-2009, 12:10 PM
I'd rather have him play 2nd and trade Kelly + a mid prospect for Ankiel or Ludwick... but that's just me.

Well it would be for Ludwick if KJ is involved in that trade because Ankiel is FA at the end of the year and a Bora$$ client. THough I would love to get my hands on Ludwick but Cards are not in the selling mode and have no reason to trade him since Schumaker playing well at 2B. If any trade to happen it would be for Ankiel with ML Starting Pitching involved (Morton/JoJo/Medline) if a trade would happen with the cards.

My thoughts that AJ will hit great in Arlington and not so great on the road so far with his splits it seems to be the case. Texas has always turned average hitters into great hitters and than once they leave and play else where then they go back being an average type hitter. I expect the same with AJ and NO i wouldn't want him back even though our OF is god aweful. I take my chances will someone else at this point....

rtgthree
05-30-2009, 12:43 PM
It's time to start teaching Brooks Conrad to play the OF.

.863 OPS in AAA, after hitting 28 HR's last season. He has power, and I'd like to see what he can do. I'm tired of watching Garret Anderson jog after balls in the gap.

Conrad has Quad-A written all over him.

nps6724
05-31-2009, 11:05 PM
And? He's still getting on base and playing good defense, which is more than any of our outfielders can say.

If merely being better than our current crop of OFs is all that is needed, you wouldn't have enough time left in the season to finish making the list. The fact is a lot of people are gushing over AJ due to inflated numbers, the same reason you feel Matt Holliday is overrated. Both have or are building their numbers off big-time hitter's parks. IIRC both Turner Field and Dodger Stadium play as pitcher's parks and he did poorly in both the past 2 seasons. And his OBP away from Arlington is .361, which is most likely a lot closer to what he would produce for us. And while it's better than our current OF, you can look at the starting 3 for all the other 29 teams and find 2 or even 3 who are out-producing ours.

lavell12
05-31-2009, 11:32 PM
Considering how drastically different his splits are, I seriously doubt it's a fluke. He has almost no power away from Arlington.

I've seen his swings and his swing looks great, the ball park doesn't effect how good of a swing you put on the ball. Also this isn't a guy with little power who a ballpark has made a HR hitter, he has over .370HRs and a good many of them are at the TED. His swing was crap in 07 with the Braves and in LA, a new ballpark doesn't make your swing change which he has done and thats the reason for his success. He couldn't use his 07 and 08 swing and hit even in Arlington.

NBA_Starter
06-01-2009, 12:21 AM
I've seen his swings and his swing looks great, the ball park doesn't effect how good of a swing you put on the ball. Also this isn't a guy with little power who a ballpark has made a HR hitter, he has over .370HRs and a good many of them are at the TED. His swing was crap in 07 with the Braves and in LA, a new ballpark doesn't make your swing change which he has done and thats the reason for his success. He couldn't use his 07 and 08 swing and hit even in Arlington.

Amen to that!

ATL2010
06-22-2009, 11:06 AM
I wouldnt mind havin him back hed be better than what we got now

Slash
06-22-2009, 12:11 PM
Conrad has Quad-A written all over him.

Better than Frenchy who has DP written all over him. :)

AutoMaddux
06-22-2009, 10:23 PM
Andruw's numbers are really benefitting from a hot April. Check out his numbers in the last month. He is only hitting .189 with a .228 OBP. He has 4 HR and 7 RBI. I don't have his OPS or SLG% for the last month cause I can't figure out how to find it for the last month. I know some might say that's a dumb argument b/c you can't discount April, but I believe that April was a fluke. The last month and half he has started to look like 2007 2008 Andruw.

AutoMaddux
06-22-2009, 10:25 PM
Also, GA's numbers have been getting better while Andruw's have been dropping off the chart. I have no way of guaranteeing it, but I would not be surprised to see Andruw continue to slump.

AutoMaddux
06-22-2009, 10:34 PM
I found Andruw's stats:
April: AVG - .344 OBP- .523 SLG- .781
May: AVG- .245 OBP- .339 SLG- .434
June: AVG- .162 OBP- .200 SLG - .405

Those numbers are not going in the right direction. His strike outs have been the same throughout the 3 months, but what good does it do if you keep pulling an outside pitch for a ground ball? We have already seen with Frenchy that we'd rather him K than continue to kill us with DPs.

TomahawkChopper
07-08-2009, 11:11 PM
Didnt know where else to put this, but Im watching some of the Rangers Angels game and Druw is just killin it right now 2-2 with 2 HRs.

TomahawkChopper
07-08-2009, 11:30 PM
haha make that 3-3 with 3 HRs lol

lavell12
07-08-2009, 11:49 PM
How much better would this offense be with him in RF and batting between Chip and Mac?

nps6724
07-09-2009, 01:04 AM
How much better would this offense be with him in RF and batting between Chip and Mac?

Not much better since his current line is .239/.341/.523 with 10 of his 11 2B and 7 of his 11 HR coming at home where the ball jumps. I think if AJ was back in Turner Field, those power numbers would drop pretty quickly.

SB75
07-09-2009, 03:49 AM
I agree.... We could really use his power right now.

KingsFiend
07-09-2009, 06:20 PM
Not much better since his current line is .239/.341/.523 with 10 of his 11 2B and 7 of his 11 HR coming at home where the ball jumps. I think if AJ was back in Turner Field, those power numbers would drop pretty quickly.

His current line is .250/.348/.581/ and his OPS is .929. 7 HR's at home, 7 on the road. 3 coming last night in Anahiem. Not exactly a hitters ball park. And 6 of his last 7 hits he has 1 Double and 5 HR's. And he is a reserve player! Tell me you wouldn't take that in right field right now???

nps6724
07-09-2009, 06:26 PM
I would take a can of yams in RF over Jeff, FWIW. But still, the majority of AJ's damage has come at home so I question how good he'd truly be at Turner Field.

KingsFiend
07-09-2009, 06:44 PM
I would take a can of yams in RF over Jeff, FWIW. But still, the majority of AJ's damage has come at home so I question how good he'd truly be at Turner Field.

Well I kinda see your point on the HR's, but most of his HR's I have seen would be HR's pretty much anywhere, and as far as his doubles, he has alot of them considering his playing time, and doubles are doubles pretty much no matter where you are.

NBA_Starter
07-09-2009, 06:49 PM
I'm happy for Andruw regardless but I sure wish he was our RF.:(

autigers5777
07-09-2009, 07:15 PM
Hell I would almost put him in center and move nate to right and yes I would take those numbers. I was for bringing him back this year if he was cheap. I mean Greg Norton need I say more ...

uncblue2332
07-09-2009, 07:21 PM
His current line is .250/.348/.581/ and his OPS is .929. 7 HR's at home, 7 on the road. 3 coming last night in Anahiem. Not exactly a hitters ball park. And 6 of his last 7 hits he has 1 Double and 5 HR's. And he is a reserve player! Tell me you wouldn't take that in right field right now???

Angel Stadium is 3rd highest in HR allowed behind Yankee and Diamondback stadiums here take a look.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=HRFactor&season=2009

and rangers ballpark is 5th highest in 2bs so the ball does fly different in Texas and Colorado than in Atlanta so doubles arent always doubles

Slash
07-09-2009, 07:56 PM
The sun shines on a dog's *** some days.

flea
07-09-2009, 07:59 PM
Angel Stadium is 3rd highest in HR allowed behind Yankee and Diamondback stadiums here take a look.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=HRFactor&season=2009

and rangers ballpark is 5th highest in 2bs so the ball does fly different in Texas and Colorado than in Atlanta so doubles arent always doubles
What you're looking at is seasonal rankings of HRs, in which the home team's offense plays a huge part. The Braves are powerless so they're a little closer to the bottom than how much of a pitcher's park Turner actually is.

Just take a look at Land Shark Stadium (Dolphin) to see, that's a pitcher's park but it's played well this year. Citi Field should be in the bottom 5 or 6 while Kauffman, Busch, and Progressive aren't as much of pitcher's parks as they seem.

SportsRagGroup
07-12-2009, 10:03 AM
I'm not going to dig as deeply into the splits and ballpark stats as some, but if you wanted a veteran with excellent defense, decent speed, and some bench leadership, you would be hard pressed to find a better 4th outfielder than Andruw Jones. Of course, next year he is going to draw more than the 500k plus a few bonuses that the Rangers are paying him.

J.
The Atlanta Sports Rag (http://atlanta.ussportsrag.com)

bravesfan22193
07-12-2009, 01:14 PM
He would be an upgrade but I doubt he'd be the answer to our problems and he certainly wouldn't slide in between chipper and mac. He's been better than Frenchy, but who hasn't?

AutoMaddux
07-25-2009, 11:08 PM
For all of you Andruw lovers out there, he went 0-4 with 3 Ks tonight. That sure brings back bad memories. Oh yeah, he's also hitting .187 in the last month. He wouldn't even be an upgrade if we still had Francoeur.

jmtapia
07-25-2009, 11:13 PM
^^^ his overall numbers are solid last i recall...

AutoMaddux
07-25-2009, 11:30 PM
If you call .245, .170, and .195 BA in the past 3 months solid, then yeah I guess he's pretty solid. He does have a solid .305 OBP in July and had a .224 OBP in June. He's also only strikes out once every 4 ABs, which seriously speaking, is solid for him.

jmtapia
07-25-2009, 11:50 PM
If you call .245, .170, and .195 BA in the past 3 months solid, then yeah I guess he's pretty solid. He does have a solid .305 OBP in July and had a .224 OBP in June. He's also only strikes out once every 4 ABs, which seriously speaking, is solid for him.

chill out... i was merely referring to his SLG... could be a good bat of the bench...

Joe Smoe
07-26-2009, 01:16 PM
:bang: Wow this thread just doesnt die!

Slash
07-26-2009, 01:23 PM
chill out... i was merely referring to his SLG... could be a good bat of the bench...

So now Andruw is a pinch hitter?!?