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BRAVE KID
05-24-2009, 09:29 PM
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Atlanta Braves (http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=atl) @ San Francisco Giants (http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=sf)


Monday, May 25 AT&T Park | 4:05 PM ET


Javier Vazquez, RHP (http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=134320) (4-3, 3.39) Braves (23-20) @ Jonathan Sanchez, LHP (http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=456043) (1-4, 4.74) Giants (20-23)


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Braves: Vazquez finally recorded his first win at Turner Field this season in an abbreviated outing during the Braves' 12-3 win over the Rockies on Wednesday. The Braves' offensive outburst gave Vazquez's arm a welcome reprieve. He threw just 71 pitches on Wednesday after averaging 111 pitches per game over his previous three starts. Vazquez has been stingy with runs of late. Including his five innings with no earned runs against the Rockies, Vazquez has given up two earned runs or fewer in each of his last three starts.


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Giants: Sanchez is coming off his best effort of the season, a six-inning two-hitter last Wednesday at San Diego. Both hits, however, generated runs as the Padres prevailed, 2-1. It was Sanchez's third consecutive losing decision but also just his second quality start of the year. Sanchez has struggled against Atlanta, going 0-2 with a 7.04 ERA in three appearances.





Tuesday, May 26 AT&T Park | 10:15 PM ET


Kris Medlen, RHP (http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?roster_year=2009&player_id=450665&c_id=atl) (0-1, 15.00) Braves (23-20) @ Tim Lincecum, RHP (http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?roster_year=2009&player_id=453311&c_id=sf) (3-1, 3.45) Giants (20-23)

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Scouting Report:

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Braves: Medlen looks to shake off a disastrous Major League debut against the Rockies on Thursday. In that outing, Medlen pitched just three-plus innings, allowing five earned runs on three hits, five walks, a hit batter, a balk and two wild pitches. Medlen posted superb numbers in Triple-A Gwinnett before getting called up to Atlanta. For Gwinnett, he was a perfect 5-0 with a 1.19 ERA. This will be the first road start of his career.


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Giants: Lincecum has struck out 10 or more hitters in three games this season, including his most recent outing last Thursday at San Diego. He received a no decision in that one despite allowing one run and four hits in seven innings. Lincecum has thrived in his limited number of appearances against Atlanta, going 4-0 with a 2.70 ERA in four career appearances, including 2-0, 1.72 last year.





Wednesday, May 27 AT&T Park | 10:15 PM ET


Kenshin Kawakami, RHP (http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?roster_year=2009&player_id=499877&c_id=atl) (3-5, 4.73) Braves (23-20) @ Randy Johnson, LHP (http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?roster_year=2009&player_id=116615&c_id=sf) (3-4, 6.26) Giants (20-23)


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Braves: On Friday night against the Blue Jays, Kawakami provided the kind of outing that the Braves had in mind when they signed him. The 33-year-old rookie outdueled 2003 American League Cy Young Award winner Roy Halladay, throwing eight innings of shutout ball while allowing just three hits and striking out seven. Perhaps most importantly, Kawakami completed a start without walking a batter for this first time this season. The Japanese import seemed to get stronger as the game went on, maintaining his low-90s fastball into the eighth inning. This will be Kawakami's first start against the Giants.

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Giants: Rebounding from a three start stretch in which he was 1-2 with an 11.05 ERA and a .403 opponents' batting average, Johnson yielded one run and six hits in 5 1/3 innings last Friday at Seattle. This will be the 45-year-old's third attempt at career victory No. 299. Johnson has been relatively so-so against Atlanta, posting a 5-5 record with a 4.33 ERA in 12 career appearances against the Braves.

hawksd911
05-24-2009, 09:32 PM
I say we win 2/3

ATLKoos16
05-24-2009, 09:37 PM
ya. i think we will probly have a hard time in the lincecum game but will take the other two. We could take the lincecum game also the way we've been playing against other peoples aces

BRAVE KID
05-24-2009, 10:10 PM
Relief corps coming through for Braves
Atlanta (23-20) at San Francisco (20-23), 4:05 p.m. ET


ATLANTA -- The Braves' recent method of winning ballgames may not be good for their manager's blood pressure, but it is producing winning results.

Winning one-run games, a major problem for Atlanta last season, has become a strength for the club of late. On their 10-game homestand that concluded Sunday, three of the Braves' six wins were decided by one run.

"Close games are fun," said manager Bobby Cox. "We would prefer no one on base when you close a game out. But in the case of Saturday, we had to do some adjusting, and we did."

The Braves will look for the bullpen to keep up the good work as they begin a 10-game road trip Monday against the Giants in San Francisco.

As closer Mike Gonzalez continues to regain the dominant stuff he displayed before his 2007 Tommy John elbow ligament replacement surgery, Rafael Soriano has had the opportunity to shut down opponents in the late innings.

In Saturday night's 4-3 win over the Blue Jays, Soriano entered the game with the bases loaded and one out in the ninth after Gonzalez struggled. Soriano recorded the final two outs to secure the victory for Atlanta, proving that while Gonzalez may be the closer, Soriano is more than capable of finishing games.

"Having those guys at the back end of the bullpen is obviously a plus," said pitching coach Roger McDowell. "If one guy doesn't have it that night, there's another guy that can come in and close it out. Across the board, I'm not sure there's a lot of clubs that have that."

Gonzalez is still the team's undisputed closer, but when he struggles as he did on Saturday night, Soriano has been there to finish. Soriano has allowed just three earned runs in 18 2/3 innings this season.

His performance on Saturday prevented what would have been a devastating blown save for Gonzalez. Entering a bases-loaded jam with no room for error, Soriano fanned Kevin Millar and induced a game-ending flyout from Marco Scutaro.

"Obviously Soriano showed what he could do Saturday coming in with the bases loaded and one out," Gonzalez said. "You know, there's no room for error, and he came in and got the job done and executed his job. We had a little meeting before the season and said we had to back each other up no matter what the situation is."

Although Gonzalez and Soriano are the end-of-the-game relievers, the other members of Atlanta's bullpen are settling into their roles nicely. Eric O'Flaherty has a 2.25 ERA as the left-handed specialist, and Peter Moylan is beginning to induce more of his trademark groundouts. Moylan coaxed a big double play from Alex Rios in the eighth inning of Saturday's game to suppress a Toronto rally.

On Sunday, Moylan loaded the bases with the score tied at 2 in the eighth. O'Flaherty came on and struck out Adam Lind, and Jeff Bennett ended the threat by getting Jose Bautista to fly out to right. It was another example of the bullpen backing each other up. The relief corps finished with three scoreless innings in Sunday's win.

"We're a family out there and we get behind each other no matter who's up and down," Moylan said. "It's nice to have most of the guys having success."

Such an effective bullpen is proving necessary as the Braves are still struggling to put up runs consistently. They feel the ingredients are there to have one of baseball's better relief units.

"The bullpen's going to be good," Cox said. "We have our moments out there, but there are good arms and there are situational guys. O'Flaherty's done an unbelievable job and Moylan's starting to get his ground balls all the time now. Soriano's striking people out and Gonzalez can, too."

Pitching matchup

ATL: RHP Javier Vazquez (4-3, 3.39 ERA)
Vazquez finally recorded his first win at Turner Field this season in an abbreviated outing during the Braves' 12-3 victory over the Rockies on Wednesday. The Braves' offensive outburst gave Vazquez's arm a welcome reprieve. He threw just 71 pitches after averaging 111 pitches per game over his previous three starts. Vazquez has been stingy with runs of late. Including his five scoreless innings against the Rockies, Vazquez has given up two earned runs or fewer in each of his past three starts.

SF: LHP Jonathan Sanchez (1-4, 4.74 ERA)
Sanchez is coming off his best effort of the season, a six-inning, two-hit outing on Wednesday at San Diego. Both hits, however, generated runs as the Padres prevailed, 2-1. It was Sanchez's third consecutive loss, but also just his second quality start of the year. Sanchez has struggled against Atlanta, going 0-2 with a 7.04 ERA in three appearances.

Tidbits
The Braves hit three home runs on Sunday at Turner Field. It was the third time they have accomplished that feat this season, and the first time they've done it at home since Sept. 10, 2008. ... Kelly Johnson hit his fifth career leadoff home run on Sunday. ... Brian McCann's two-homer game was the fifth multihomer game of his career. ... Diory Hernandez recorded his first big league hit with a single to left in the seventh inning Sunday. He added another single in the eighth to go 2-for-4 on the day. ... The three-game sweep of the Blue Jays was the Braves' third series sweep of the season, and the first in eight seasons against Toronto.braves.com

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-24-2009, 10:11 PM
This series is an intriguing one for me as game 1 is the only one I feel comfortable in.

Game 1 Vazquez vs Sanchez

Giants vs Vazquez

Bengie Molina - 0-3
Travis Ishikawa - 0-0
Emmanuel Burriss - 0-0
Edgar Renteria - 12-30 = .400 (2 2B 1 3B 5 RBI)
Pablo Sandavol - 0-0
Fred Lewis - 0-0
Aaron Rowand - 2-11
Randy Winn - 2-7 (1 2B)

Team: 14-51 (.275 3 2B 1 3B 5 RBI) Most of the damage has come from Edgar Renteria otherwise this team hasn't faced/fared well against Javy Vazquez so he should have an advantage the first couple of times through the line up. Vazquez also keeps the ball down and this is not a very powerful team (not that we are but we look like the 27 yankees compared to this team lol) Vazquez is also 3-0 with a 2.10 ERA on the road, where as Sanchez has had 1 quality start this entire season. This game is a big opportunity for us to continue this roll we are currently on.

Game 2 Kris Medlen vs Tim Lincecum

This is going to be a very tough game for us to win, the only chance we have is for Medlen is to keep this slap offense in check (couldnt think of a better way to get his confidence going to face Tim Lincecum in a low scoring game and he has a good chance if he doesnt walk ppl) Medlen look very good in the first 2 innings then forgot to come back out in the 3rd. If he can expand that to 5 or 6 innings (and he has a good chance against this lackluster line up) we have a decent chance of winning this game. It doesnt matter how well the other pitcher pitches if you hold them to 0 they cant win. If we can be patient and get to their bullpen we have a good chance to win.

Game 3 Kenshin Kawakami vs Randy Johnson

This one is simple, which Kawakami shows up and which Johnson shows up this is the wild card game of the series completely un predictable.

BRAVE KID
05-24-2009, 10:14 PM
damn what a tough series to win here. Diaz fans get to see him twice in this series...I'm not sure about this series...really would love the series. It's time for the hitters to truly step it up, b/c if they don't hit we get swept plain and simple.

CrippledRam
05-24-2009, 10:22 PM
We'll beat Linci and lose one of the other 2

Half-Truism
05-24-2009, 11:49 PM
damn what a tough series to win here. Diaz fans get to see him twice in this series...I'm not sure about this series...really would love the series. It's time for the hitters to truly step it up, b/c if they don't hit we get swept plain and simple.

He better be in there. He should have been in there against the Righties for Toronto but no... And don't count on a sweep against us. The Giants have I think the worst Offense in the league thus far. And we have some of the best pitching also so...

AustinTheGreat
05-25-2009, 12:59 AM
i like the series cuz giants struggle to score too haha so its all even. Im interested to see how Medlan pitches and to see if KK can produce a solid effort like last time.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 01:18 AM
He better be in there. He should have been in there against the Righties for Toronto but no... And don't count on a sweep against us. The Giants have I think the worst Offense in the league thus far. And we have some of the best pitching also so...there is a thing called a platoon, so he wasn't going to be there against righties. And I do remember him getting chances to solidify himself as a starter it just seemed a platoon role was best suited for him, since he didn't take advantage of that

Who said I said we were going to get swept? Do you tend to forget how we consistently play to the level or below the level of our lower opponets?

Now I hope we will change that with our new lineup, but if we don't hit then it would be just a matter of time before the giants do, I don't think we will get swept but if we are not smart with the bats and don't take advantage it is a possibility.

robdizzle3
05-25-2009, 04:14 AM
For some strange reason I feel like we are gonna win the Lincecum battle.I dont know how but I feel we are gonna take that game

sacgiants1213
05-25-2009, 04:20 AM
braves will sweep... we'll probably score 4 runs the whole series.

jmtapia
05-25-2009, 05:11 AM
damn that was quick...so close but the funds are low... Run support will be key... and we dont have either one of our top 2 starters so you never know....

howiend
05-25-2009, 10:33 AM
Medlen is going to pitch well. I agree it will be very fun to see if KK can put back-to-back great starts together.

Saltyfan
05-25-2009, 10:38 AM
If KK pitches half as good as he did his last outing we will be good to go.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 12:03 PM
Just a suggestion but how many of you would be interested in having yahoo messenger conferences during the game to have open discussions? I used to do it with a bunch of my buddies and it worked out well, just let me know!

jmtapia
05-25-2009, 01:33 PM
KK has been pitching well all season long... lets hope Medlen can get it together...

nybigjg
05-25-2009, 01:49 PM
Anybody know how long Yunel is out?

16-McCann-16
05-25-2009, 02:01 PM
i say we win 2/3...

SilverAndBlue
05-25-2009, 02:15 PM
now I know how some of you feel who live outside the Braves televised market. I'm in Texas right now and am dying to see the game. I guess I should quit taking it for granted that I get to see my Braves play every single game when I'm home.

SilverAndBlue
05-25-2009, 02:16 PM
Anybody know how long Yunel is out?

i think he is day to day

SilverAndBlue
05-25-2009, 02:17 PM
i say we win 2/3...

maybe I'm being pessimistic but i see us losing 2/3.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 03:27 PM
KJ
prado
diaz
b-mac
franky
kotch
diory
schaf
vaz

again CJ and esco sitting lets see how we function.

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 03:27 PM
Anybody know how long Yunel is out?

why? is he on your fantasy team?

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:07 PM
battle of the puerto ricans are underway, KJ k's swinging.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:08 PM
And we are underway Sanchez looks pretty good so far 2 up (Johnson and Prado) 2 Ks

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:08 PM
Diaz now batting hes 10 for his last 18

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:09 PM
prado implements a "Monkey see monkey do" approach and K's swinging as well

sacgiants1213
05-25-2009, 04:09 PM
good luck this series...

expect a good outing by kris medlen... we make mediocre pitches look like cy young.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:09 PM
Diaz Ks

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:10 PM
boy that is a great start, everyone k's.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:10 PM
Going to the bottom of the 1st Sanchez looks god today

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:11 PM
Hopefully Vazquez will have similar results :)

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:12 PM
good luck this series...

expect a good outing by kris medlen... we make mediocre pitches look like cy young.don't fret we do the same exact thing, and we are already doing it I see.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:13 PM
WHEW!!!!! ball was drilled nice catch by Diaz

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:13 PM
thought that ball was gone

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:14 PM
shattered his bat put out 6-3 2 down nobody on

dbroncs-abraves
05-25-2009, 04:15 PM
good start for vazquez he did leave a fat pitch for rowand but Diaz made a nice running catch 2 down

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:15 PM
Randy winn now batting

dbroncs-abraves
05-25-2009, 04:15 PM
1-2-3 not many pitches thrown for vazquez

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:15 PM
grounds to johnson put out 4-3 3 down braves coming up only 7 ptches for Vazquez

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:16 PM
Alright McCann lets get things going!!!!!!!!!!!

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:16 PM
that was quick...lets see how long it takes us to score...or get a hit.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:17 PM
What a play by Burriss but speedy Mac over here gets the infield single

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:18 PM
Francoeur now batting McCann on 1st no1 out

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:19 PM
Frenchy lines out to LF good swing put on the ball runner on first 1 out Kotcman batting

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:21 PM
Kotchman lines out to LF once again good approach runner on 1st 2 down Hernandez now batting

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:22 PM
well at least we got a hit, didn't remotely work him.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:22 PM
Hernandez grounds to short put out 6-4 3 down

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:24 PM
Molina, Lewis and Ishikawa coming up

dbroncs-abraves
05-25-2009, 04:25 PM
molina grounds out

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:25 PM
Molina grounds to Hernandez put out 6-3 1 down nobody on

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Fred Lewis strikes out swinging 2 out nobody on

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:29 PM
Ishikawa pops up prado runs into vazquez and the ball drops

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:30 PM
next batter lines out to RF no harm done

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:31 PM
Schafer, Vazquez, Johnson due up

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:32 PM
good inning from javy now for the offense to get something started.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:34 PM
Schafer strikes out swinging

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:35 PM
can always count on schafer to work the count....but unfortunately the K comes along with that a little too often.

dbroncs-abraves
05-25-2009, 04:36 PM
ground rule double for vazquez

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Vazquez drills a ground rule double its gone in any other part of the park

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:37 PM
Johnson now batting Vazquez on 2nd 1 out

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:37 PM
Johnson flies to center

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:37 PM
lol nice swing contact javy, lets see if the offense can back you.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:38 PM
Alright Prado lets knock him in here!!!!!!!!!!!!

howiend
05-25-2009, 04:38 PM
The Giants lineup today sure doesn't look too strong! If the Braves can score 4 runs they should win this game.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:39 PM
3-1 to prado

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:40 PM
line drive to renteria 3 outs

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:41 PM
it seemed like prado got good contact on that but no cigar...just got to keep holding them javy. who knows how long it will take us to get some runs.

dbroncs-abraves
05-25-2009, 04:41 PM
The Giants lineup today sure doesn't look too strong! If the Braves can score 4 runs they should win this game.

yeah but we have to score a run first and we have been having a lot of trouble doing that

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:45 PM
Burriss grounds out to Johnson putout 4-2

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:46 PM
Sanchez ks swinging

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:47 PM
2 outs

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:48 PM
rowand ks swinging vazquez is settling in

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:49 PM
alrighty another good inning from javy now offense it's your turn. make something happen. or at least make him throw a ton of pitches.

dbroncs-abraves
05-25-2009, 04:49 PM
vazquez is looking pretty good out there right now we need some runs

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:50 PM
Diaz now batting

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:50 PM
diaz strikes out swinging

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:52 PM
pathetic at-bat, 3 pitches diaz. you are in there to hit lefties, start doing that. we need your bat.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:52 PM
McCann walks frenchy coming up runner on 1st 1 out

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:55 PM
frenchy grounds out slowly to second mccann out at second 2 down frenchy on 1st kotchman now batting

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:56 PM
kotchman grounds out to 1st 3 outs

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 04:57 PM
boy this is going to be fun alright.

Braves_Fan_RSD
05-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Renteria now batting

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:03 PM
figured winn would be a pain in our ***, watch for the steal.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:10 PM
braves escape a man on third with 1 out with no harm done.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:14 PM
diory flies out on 2 pitches, schafer does what he does best and k's but on 3 pitches, and javy so far has the BEST at-bat of the game.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:15 PM
kinda sad when your pitcher is one of the hitters that had the best at-bats of the game. forgot about b-macs work.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:28 PM
well javy keeps on ****ing up with his wild pitches then kills himself with these giants. 1-0 may very well be enough for the giants to win this.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:30 PM
hate when renty is up with runners on..he just seems to have a knack to come through.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:32 PM
yep we're ****ed now. giants out ABC baseballing us. 3-0 giants.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:34 PM
that is all the giants are going to be doing this series and this is precisely why I don't have a good feeling about this series.

beldugo
05-25-2009, 05:38 PM
it should be a one run inning for the giants if not for vazquez mental error in the j.sanchez bunt...0-3 giants..

beldugo
05-25-2009, 05:41 PM
leadoff triple for kelly!! c'mon braves the game is on the line!!!

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 05:42 PM
good at bat by johnson made him work

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 05:42 PM
how is the giants bullpen???

beldugo
05-25-2009, 05:44 PM
how is the giants bullpen???

I know brian wilson sucks..

beldugo
05-25-2009, 05:46 PM
bases loaded for B-MAC...yeah!

beldugo
05-25-2009, 05:49 PM
Mccann you are the man! base hit to left 1-3 giants and the bases still loaded no outs...pitching change...

beldugo
05-25-2009, 05:52 PM
francoeur strike out...we need to get rid of this guy...

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:53 PM
yep this is the worthless franky alright, just like last year. no wonder we are trying so hard to get rid of him.

dbroncs-abraves
05-25-2009, 05:55 PM
atta baby kotchman

beldugo
05-25-2009, 05:55 PM
kotchman takes a walk...good at bat...diory hernandez please dont ground out...2-3 giants

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:56 PM
that counts as a RBI so that is fine with me.

beldugo
05-25-2009, 05:59 PM
when a rookie comes up to the big league always struggles with breaking pitches but OMG schafer is the worst fastball hitter i've ever seen..

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 05:59 PM
man that kid gets into quick 0-2 counts whenever someone is on. another K.

rtgthree
05-25-2009, 05:59 PM
Schafer needs to go back to Gwinnett. He just looks totally overmatched. His long-term prospects aren't diminished yet, but they will be if the Braves let him keep hacking around in the big leagues.

noname part5
05-25-2009, 06:00 PM
Schafer's kinda gettin on my nerves, Frenchy?? wel I've given up on him loong time ago

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:05 PM
Schafer needs to go back to Gwinnett. He just looks totally overmatched. His long-term prospects aren't diminished yet, but they will be if the Braves let him keep hacking around in the big leagues.well that may very well happen, the braves don't seem like they are going to demote him..and he doesn't need to go back to gwinnett but rather go there in the first place since he has never been at AAA

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:09 PM
javy is still in the game b/c what now?

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:10 PM
javy stays in the game and gives up another run, cudos cox

noname part5
05-25-2009, 06:11 PM
javy is still in the game b/c what now?

because Bobby is the manager

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:13 PM
very nice cox, so how many runs do you want javy to give up exactly? it's pointless now, might as well let him finish since you are just going to pinch hit the very next inning.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:14 PM
or you know just now make the change, it felt good only being down one for about 5 mintues back to 3 thank you cox and your prolific managing skills.

braveMania
05-25-2009, 06:17 PM
well javy was good for about 4 innings today.. i just dont get how you give up 5 runs to a team that cant score.. and a loss tomoro is about 99 % so there goes all our momentum.. until francouer is gone the braves will not be taken seriously.. ive just now given up on him..

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 06:21 PM
Javy has been great all year, a good pitcher always has a bad start here and there. But frenchy and schafer striking out in bases loaded situation, thats stupid. I cant take it anymore. demote schafer trade frency medlen for cruz. trade trade gorkys+ lower level spec for dye. our outfield is literally killing us.

braveMania
05-25-2009, 06:23 PM
no we dont need to trade gorkys for dye..

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 06:26 PM
What is wren wating for our outfield combined has 7 hr and 100ks. we really missed out on ibanez

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:28 PM
well javy was good for about 4 innings today.. i just dont get how you give up 5 runs to a team that cant score.. and a loss tomoro is about 99 % so there goes all our momentum.. until francouer is gone the braves will not be taken seriously.. ive just now given up on him..have you guys seriously not caught on to how we notoriously play to the level or below the level of our weaker opponets? really? It doesn't surprise me the giants suddenly figured a way to score, hell if we can't score then it will be just a matter of time before they do. javy made too many mistakes, wild pitches etc, it's something he can easily fix.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:31 PM
What is wren wating for our outfield combined has 7 hr and 100ks. we really missed out on ibanezI don't know maybe the right deal? that couldn't be it though it is impossible to think that would be it.

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 06:35 PM
no we dont need to trade gorkys for dye..

Steps to fix outfield

1) trade frenchy+medlen for nelson cruz
2) trade gorkys+ lower level spec for Dye
3) keep schafer and heyward
4) out field would be cruz, dye, and diaz/ga
5) future outfield cruz, Schafer, Heyward----gorkys is the odd man out trade him

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 06:37 PM
ishakawa is a beast

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 06:38 PM
FW we have time make a move

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:38 PM
I love the logic of intentionally walking a guy to pitch to a guy who is ****in 3-3, now 4-4 with the homer that buddy "now back to being called garbage" caryle has given up.

I wish I could say I am surprised.

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 06:40 PM
I love the logic of intentionally walking a guy to pitch to a guy who is ****in 3-3, now 4-4 with the homer that buddy "now back to being called garbage" caryle has given up.

I wish I could say I am surprised.

Buddy had high trade value we should have traded him.

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 06:43 PM
I am so flamed about our outfield right now. Interesting article about Frenchy

http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2009/05/25/bradleys-buzz-is-it-time-to-bid-adieu-to-frenchy/

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:44 PM
Steps to fix outfield

1) trade frenchy+medlen for nelson cruz
2) trade gorkys+ lower level spec for Dye
3) keep schafer and heyward
4) out field would be cruz, dye, and diaz/ga
5) future outfield cruz, Schafer, Heyward----gorkys is the odd man out trade himgood luck with that.


FW we have time make a moveI'm sure he is working on it bud.


ishakawa is a beastin this game surely. funny how it came against us, try not to jump the gun on players having success against us.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:48 PM
Buddy had high trade value we should have traded him.no he didn't. What "high trade value" is this you speak of? He was an effective LR last year but I don't think that gets teams drooling to acquire him. I'm sure if a good offer was proposed we would of jumped on it considering our depth in LR.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:53 PM
I am so flamed about our outfield right now. Interesting article about Frenchy

http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2009/05/25/bradleys-buzz-is-it-time-to-bid-adieu-to-frenchy/just restating what bowman said, no updates or anything.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 06:55 PM
5-8 spot, a combined 20 men LOB. with worthless franky leading the way with 7.

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 07:04 PM
no he didn't. What "high trade value" is this you speak of? He was an effective LR last year but I don't think that gets teams drooling to acquire him. I'm sure if a good offer was proposed we would of jumped on it considering our depth in LR.

he had good trade value could have gotten something out of him

Brave4life
05-25-2009, 07:05 PM
[QUOTE=BRAVE KID;9589429]good luck with that.

that would be pretty sick if we can get both cruz and dye

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 07:11 PM
[QUOTE=BRAVE KID;9589429]good luck with that.

that would be pretty sick if we can get both cruz and dyeand that is why you are going to need some very good luck with that.

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 07:14 PM
he had good trade value could have gotten something out of himwe either felt that we needed him or we just couldn't find someone or just someone wasn't interested to give up anything for him.

howiend
05-25-2009, 07:14 PM
sad game need to get chipper and esco back in the lineup!

BRAVE KID
05-25-2009, 07:19 PM
almost forgot to mention, a nice fat 0-4 with 4 K's for the kid.. damn kid. just when I think you could go on something positive.

Half-Truism
05-25-2009, 07:21 PM
Why doesn't Schafer show more of his hip. Francoeur did it and improved.

noname part5
05-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Why doesn't Schafer show more of his hip. Francoeur did it and improved.

Wel Franky could go up there with no bat right now and that would be an improvement. Wanting Schafer to take a hint from Franky, ouch, can he actually strike out even more?

NBA_Starter
05-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Tough game, now we have to face Lincecum and then The Big Unit, Ouch!:(

nps6724
05-25-2009, 11:52 PM
Good to see Schafer and Francoeur do nothing at all in their RBI chances. They are albatrosses around our offense's neck. It's extremely sad that our pitcher, who had only 2 AB, had more hits than our 5-8 hitters.

ATLKoos16
05-26-2009, 12:01 AM
I've been one of Frenchy's biggest supporters, but i'm getting sick of performances like today when he looks like he's not even watching the ball when he swings. I mean he showed a lot of promise that he was coming around against the blue jays and his first at-bat today he put a good swing on the ball but it went down hill from there.

ATLKoos16
05-26-2009, 10:26 AM
We should get some help in hte bullpen this week, Campillo is gonna come off the DL and Buddy is most likely gonna get optioned Gwinett.

AustinTheGreat
05-26-2009, 12:46 PM
couldnt watch the game last night but see that once again we were playing without our starting lineup. Chipper not in the lineup? what a surprise and yunel. We cant win with these guys on thebench.

BRAVE KID
05-26-2009, 05:26 PM
Braves derailed in mistake-filled fifth
Vazquez laments ill-advised throw; McCann assumes blame


SAN FRANCISCO -- Knowing that Brian McCann had already taken the blame for the events that transpired, Javier Vazquez opted to take full responsibility for the mental mistake that altered the pitchers' duel that he was helping to orchestrate.

Seemingly in control and patiently waiting for his offense to damage Jonathan Sanchez at AT&T Park on Monday afternoon, Vazquez watched the Giants take advantage of the multiple opportunities that they were afforded during a three-run fifth inning that carried them to an 8-2 win over the Braves.

"It was one of those days; he just wasn't hit real hard and he gave up runs," Braves manager Bobby Cox said in reference to Vazquez, whose first loss since May 4 snapped the momentum the Braves had gained this past weekend while completing a 6-3 homestand with a three-game sweep of the Blue Jays.

While assessing the loss, Vazquez pointed toward his ill-fated decision to throw to second base on a fifth-inning sacrifice-bunt attempt. As for McCann, he took the blame for not blocking a wild pitch that allowed Travis Ishikawa to advance to third base with just one out in the decisive fifth.

But these mistakes made by the batterymates were far from being the only misfortunes experienced by the Braves, who recorded one hit in nine at-bats with runners in scoring position and stranded eight runners.

On his way to an 0-for-4 performance, Jeff Francoeur struck out with the bases loaded in the sixth and then quieted a potential eighth-inning rally by striking out again with nobody out and runners at first and second base. His offensive frustrations were matched by Jordan Schafer, who left the bases loaded in the sixth with one of his season-high four strikeouts.

"We had the opportunities and we just didn't deliver," Cox said after his team helped Sanchez win for just the second time in nine starts this year.

Locked in a scoreless duel with Sanchez, Vazquez saw Ishikawa begin the fifth inning with a single and then slide around a Kelly Johnson tag while stealing second base. The Giants first baseman then advanced to third base on a slider in the dirt that hit McCann square and then bounced in the direction of the first-base dugout.

"I feel like I let a couple of balls by me that cost us a run or two," McCann said. "It was a pitchers' duel and unfortunately today, I couldn't keep the ball in front of me and it cost us."

With Ishikawa at third and one out, Vazquez intended to pitch around Emmanuel Burriss to get to the pitcher's spot in the order. But after sneaking a 3-1 slider past Burriss, the Braves right-hander provided the challenge of a fastball that the Giants second baseman directed toward right field to score the game's first run.

Edgar Renteria would cap the three-run fifth with a two-run double to left field. But the former Braves shortstop might not have come to the plate had Vazquez not opted to throw to second base after fielding Sanchez's sacrifice bunt. The speedy Burriss beat the throw and after Aaron Rowand popped out, he jogged home on Renteria's double into the left-field corner.

"If I had made that out at first base and the other guy hit a popup, we'd have been out of the inning with one run," Vazquez said. "It would have been a total different game if they scored one run that inning, instead of three. It just frustrates you more because it's a mental mistake and not an error you make on a bad pitch or something like that."

Vazquez, who was charged with five earned runs in 5 2/3 innings, saw Fred Lewis and Ishikawa begin the bottom of the sixth with consecutive singles. They would both cross the plate with athletic slides that negated the two-run rally the Braves had produced during the top half of the inning against Sanchez, who had been 0-3 with a 5.26 ERA in his previous five starts.

After consecutive walks followed Johnson's sixth-inning leadoff triple, McCann chased Sanchez with an RBI single to left. But aided with the strikeouts he registered against Francoeur and Schafer, Giants reliever Justin Miller allowed the Braves to score just one run, courtesy of a bases-loaded walk drawn by Casey Kotchman.

While Ishikawa erased most of the lingering doubt by capping his career-high four-hit performance with a three-run, seventh-inning homer off Buddy Carlyle, both McCann and Vazquez will say that this loss was a product of the fifth-inning mistakes that they made.

"It's OK when you get hit or when you throw a bad pitch and somebody hits it a mile," Vazquez said. "But mental mistakes like that just can't happen." braves.com

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BRAVE KID
05-26-2009, 05:29 PM
Medlen 'super pumped' to oppose ace
Atlanta (23-21) at San Francisco (21-23), 10:15 p.m. ET


SAN FRANCISCO -- The Braves have already beaten the odds twice this month, by winning games started by Johan Santana and Roy Halladay.

If they're going to once again negate the potential dominance of another Cy Young Award-winning opponent, they're going to have to receive some assistance from their own baby-faced hurler, who is still in search of his first Major League victory.

Based solely on youthful appearances, Kris Medlen could certainly draw some comparisons to Tim Lincecum. But when he opposes the reigning National League Cy Young Award winner at AT&T Park on Tuesday night, the Braves right-hander will be easily identified as the definite underdog.

"I'm super pumped about it," the excitable Medlen said. "I guess it gets you going a little bit more going up against a guy of that caliber. But this is the big leagues and everybody up here is a solid pitcher."

With a loss in Monday's series opener against the Giants, the Braves waved goodbye to a three-game winning streak that they started after suffering through Medlen's control-challenged Major League debut. During that outing against the Rockies last week, the 23-year-old right-hander was forced to exit an ugly fourth inning, during which he threw just 15 of his 18 pitches for strikes.

Medlen, who had allowed just one run through his first three innings, completed a bullpen session at Turner Field on Sunday and walked away with the belief that he's fixed the mechanical flaws that haunted him during his forgettable debut.

"I really would like to not have to talk about that game again," said Medlen, who was 4-0 with a 1.06 ERA in the six starts he made for Triple-A Gwinnett before his promotion.

Since opening the season with a couple of rough outings, Lincecum has righted himself and gone 3-0 with a 2.76 ERA in his past seven starts. Coming off three consecutive no-decisions, the 24-year-old right-hander will look to remain perfect against the Braves.

In four career starts vs. the Braves, Lincecum is 4-0 with a 2.70 ERA. Even while issuing four walks during both of his starts against them last year, he still combined for 15 2/3 innings and allowed just three runs.

When the Braves beat the Mets and Blue Jays during games started by Santana and Halladay earlier this month, Chipper Jones was out of the lineup. Due to a sprained right toe that has limited him to two pinch-hit appearances since Thursday, Jones will likely be absent from Tuesday's lineup.

This will put some more pressure on Brian McCann, who has five hits, including three doubles, in nine career at-bats against Lincecum.

"You never want to face guys who have his stuff," McCann said. "He's got some of the best stuff in all of baseball. As a hitter, you're not getting to the yard excited that you're facing him. We've got to grind it out, put up good at-bats and get to him early and rattle him a little bit. Hopefully we can do that."

Pitching matchup

ATL: RHP Kris Medlen (0-1, 15.00 ERA)
Medlen looks to shake off a rough Major League debut against the Rockies on Thursday. In that outing, Medlen pitched just three-plus innings, allowing five earned runs on three hits, five walks, a hit batter, a balk and two wild pitches. While making his first career road start, it will be important that he harnesses some of the emotions that seemingly affected him during his debut.

SF: RHP Tim Lincecum (3-1, 3.45 ERA)
Lincecum has struck out 10 or more hitters in three games this season, including his most recent outing last Thursday at San Diego. He received a no-decision in that one despite allowing one run and four hits in seven innings. Lincecum has thrived in his limited number of appearances against Atlanta, going 4-0 with a 2.70 ERA in four career appearances, including 2-0, 1.72 last year.

Tidbits
In the 15 games he's played since returning from the disabled list with his prescription glasses, McCann has batted .431 with a .491 on-base percentage and .647 slugging percentage. His recent success should aid his bid to make his fourth consecutive All-Star appearance. ... During his past six innings, Braves reliever Buddy Carlyle has surrendered two grand slams and a three-run homer. Before this forgettable stretch, he had worked 13 1/3 innings and allowed just one home run. Jorge Campillo is expected to come off the disabled list this week and when he does, the Braves may option Carlyle to Triple-A Gwinnett. ... Jeff Francoeur has just five hits in his last 35 at-bats with runners in scoring position. He began this season with seven hits in his first 15 at-bats with RISP. ... Jordan Schafer is hitting .103 (4-for-39) with RISP this year.braves.com

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 08:53 PM
LINEUP
1. KJ, 2B
2. Kotchman, 1B
3. Chipper, 3B
4. McCann, C
5. Anderson, LF
6. Francoeur, RF
7. Hernandez, SS
8. Schafer, CF
9. Medlen, RH

nps6724
05-26-2009, 08:55 PM
Nice to see Chipper is back in there, though the top 5 better come through because 6-9 = BLAH.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 08:56 PM
Buddy Carlyle to the DL for a neck strain, injury he suffered last summer in that collision with Kouzminoff of the Padres. Had an injection at that time that got him through season, but it acted up again this spring and he said itís affected his mechanics and his velocity for the past six weeks.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 08:57 PM
Buddy Carlyle to the DL for a neck strain, injury he suffered last summer in that collision with Kouzminoff of the Padres. Had an injection at that time that got him through season, but it acted up again this spring and he said itís affected his mechanics and his velocity for the past six weeks.

I figured it was lackoftalentitus.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 09:00 PM
I figured it was lackoftalentitus.

:laugh::laugh:

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 09:01 PM
DOB talked to edgar renteria and he said that he wanted to stay a brave

nps6724
05-26-2009, 09:02 PM
Can he play 2B?

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 09:09 PM
We have to manufacture some runs tonight, either that or stick around and try and get into the Giants bullpen in a close game.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 09:51 PM
Looks like Philly and New York are gonna win so we need to find a way to beat Linc to keep pace.

ATLKoos16
05-26-2009, 10:07 PM
I dont know why but I have a good feeling about tonights game....I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Jeff has a pretty good game tonight too

Half-Truism
05-26-2009, 10:14 PM
Chipper's playing tonight but so is Anderson apparently. Also Kelly is leading off.

Half-Truism
05-26-2009, 10:24 PM
Come on McCann can't strike out like that.

ATLKoos16
05-26-2009, 10:35 PM
Good rip by Jeff, just right at the left fielder

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 10:40 PM
Good base knock by the kid too bad nothing came of the inning.

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 10:41 PM
Come on shut them down 1 2 3.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 10:46 PM
ishakawa is really pissing me off

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 10:46 PM
medlen works really fast

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 10:47 PM
Come on kid!

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 10:47 PM
ishakawa is really pissing me off

x2 :mad:

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 10:49 PM
7ip 1er 5h as tommy hanson wins 2-1.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 10:50 PM
medlen throw strikes it is the pitcher

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 10:51 PM
Medlen you cant walk the pitcher

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 10:51 PM
Walking the pitcher to load the bases, woof!:(

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 10:53 PM
2 run double for Rowand. 2-0 Giants, that's what happens in this league when you walk people kid!

Half-Truism
05-26-2009, 10:53 PM
Wow come on Medlen. I thought his K to Walk ratio was good?

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 10:53 PM
Lincecum is a .136 hitter why would you not walk him

Half-Truism
05-26-2009, 10:54 PM
You cannot be kidding me, was Medlen supposed to come up and impress people because he's not.

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 10:55 PM
4-0 2 run single by Renteria, this is ridiculous, had Rowand dead to rites at the plate and McCann couldn't hold on to the ball!

That was a good throw by the kid!

nps6724
05-26-2009, 10:55 PM
Medlen sucks. Can't throw strikes, doesn't work efficiently, when he is throwing strikes they're getting hit, has no out pitch. His trade value is sunk already.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 10:58 PM
Medlen should be sent back to AAA tomorrow. He's shown he's not better than Jo-Jo with these two horrid performances. You can pretty much call this one with Lincecum out there, especially the way we hit him.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 10:58 PM
Medlen sucks. Can't throw strikes, doesn't work efficiently, when he is throwing strikes they're getting hit, has no out pitch. His trade value is sunk already.

He doesnt suck they should have never called him up. He needed more time in AAA. I still dont know why the hell we didnt call up charlie morton. He had ML experience. Medlen and hanson both came up together and should be brought up together. ***"ing stupid

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 10:59 PM
Let's try and get some kind of offense going.

Half-Truism
05-26-2009, 11:00 PM
I'd rather have Jo-Jo in there.

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:00 PM
Medlen sucks. Can't throw strikes, doesn't work efficiently, when he is throwing strikes they're getting hit, has no out pitch. His trade value is sunk already.

oh please. that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. First off, this kid is only 24 y/o. He's got ample time to develop further. He was progressing nicely in the minors and was probably called up too soon. He doesn't look ready for the big stage. To say he sucks is just ignorant.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 11:00 PM
i mean i would understand if this was like a philly type lineup, but its the giants.

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:03 PM
so when Hanson gets called up and IF he struggles with command and can't get players out, will you say he sucks as well?

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 11:03 PM
if we were a playoff team we need to beat the teams that we are supposed to beat giants, dbacks, rockies, nationals. The teams the struggle but its the braves

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:04 PM
Until the Braves address their God awful outfield, don't even consider any push for the playoffs.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 11:04 PM
so when Hanson gets called up and IF he struggles with command and can't get players out, will you say he sucks as well?

chill out dude he got the point. lets just hope that braves can get some runs from the freak.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 11:06 PM
I have noticed that Medlen shows all of his pitches to one batter, so next time they come up they know what to expect.

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:07 PM
I'm chilled, but i think that was pretty stupid. How do you know he got the point, he hasn't even responded. He might stick to his guns.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 11:07 PM
you kind of feel bad for the kid.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 11:10 PM
i wouldnt mind a 6ip 4er performance. as long as he improves im mfine with it.

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:11 PM
i wouldnt mind a 6ip 4er performance. as long as he improves im mfine with it.

he's made a nice rebound so far. Notice he didn't panic like last time. Regained his focus and sits them down in order.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 11:13 PM
i got school tomorrow, i hate games in the west coast too late for me to watch the whole game. peace!!!!hope the braves can pull a w out of this one even though it will be tough.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 11:13 PM
oh please. that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. First off, this kid is only 24 y/o. He's got ample time to develop further. He was progressing nicely in the minors and was probably called up too soon. He doesn't look ready for the big stage. To say he sucks is just ignorant.

2nd start, same exact problem: horrible control. He's shown almost nothing to make anyone think he's going to be good. 24 or not, he's gone from excellent control in the minors to none in the majors. He also can't work out of any trouble whatsoever. He's been in trouble in 4 innings in his career and allowed runs in each of them. And he's facing possibly the worst offense in the majors and he allowed 4 runs like it was nothing. The excuse of him not being ready is bogus. Schafer wasn't ready. He played decently against AA and he hasn't learned nearly enough to perform on this level. Medlen was dominating AAA more so than Hanson but has come up and done the exact opposite of everything he did in AAA. Schafer is doing what he did in AA, but is being exploited by much better pitchers. Medlen isn't anywhere close to the pitcher he was with Gwinnett. It's not "he's not ready", he's just completely choking and panicking.



so when Hanson gets called up and IF he struggles with command and can't get players out, will you say he sucks as well?

If he doesn't show anything that he did in the minors, cracks under even the tiniest of pressure, can't do anything right, then yeah. I'm funny that way.

Tell me one thing Medlen has done well in these 2 games. Here's a list of what he has done:

-He doesn't throw first-pitch strikes
-He doesn't throw strikes
-He doesn't have an out pitch
-He goes way too deep into counts on most hitters he faces
-His control has been extremely poor
-He gets rattled by 1 baserunner
-He's been hit hard on most the hits he's allowed
-He doesn't get quick outs

Tonight is start #2, which means the butterflies aren't an excuse. And facing a horrible lineup with Randy Winn as the #3 hitter and Bengie Molina as the cleanup hitter, you can't allow 4 runs in 2 innings and you especially cannot walk the pitcher to load the bases with 2 outs.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 11:14 PM
I'm chilled, but i think that was pretty stupid. How do you know he got the point, he hasn't even responded. He might stick to his guns.

I will stick to my guns because so far, he's proven me right. The evidence is clearly in my favor, like it or not.

Brave4life
05-26-2009, 11:18 PM
2nd start, same exact problem: horrible control. He's shown almost nothing to make anyone think he's going to be good. 24 or not, he's gone from excellent control in the minors to none in the majors. He also can't work out of any trouble whatsoever. He's been in trouble in 4 innings in his career and allowed runs in each of them. And he's facing possibly the worst offense in the majors and he allowed 4 runs like it was nothing. The excuse of him not being ready is bogus. Schafer wasn't ready. He played decently against AA and he hasn't learned nearly enough to perform on this level. Medlen was dominating AAA more so than Hanson but has come up and done the exact opposite of everything he did in AAA. Schafer is doing what he did in AA, but is being exploited by much better pitchers. Medlen isn't anywhere close to the pitcher he was with Gwinnett. It's not "he's not ready", he's just completely choking and panicking.




If he doesn't show anything that he did in the minors, cracks under even the tiniest of pressure, can't do anything right, then yeah. I'm funny that way.

Tell me one thing Medlen has done well in these 2 games. Here's a list of what he has done:

-He doesn't throw first-pitch strikes
-He doesn't throw strikes
-He doesn't have an out pitch
-He goes way too deep into counts on most hitters he faces
-His control has been extremely poor
-He gets rattled by 1 baserunner
-He's been hit hard on most the hits he's allowed
-He doesn't get quick outs

Tonight is start #2, which means the butterflies aren't an excuse. And facing a horrible lineup with Randy Winn as the #3 hitter and Bengie Molina as the cleanup hitter, you can't allow 4 runs in 2 innings and you especially cannot walk the pitcher to load the bases with 2 outs.
where is rtgthree when you need him. He should respond to this one

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:24 PM
I will stick to my guns because so far, he's proven me right. The evidence is clearly in my favor, like it or not.

no, the evidence is not in your favor. I am not arguing that he is playing well, but to say he sucks is just moronic and that's being nice about it. It's two freaking starts dude. Thank GOD you're not making any personnel decisions. Smoltz went 2-7 with a 5.48 ERA in his first year. Greg Maddux went 2-4 with a 5.52 ERA. Glavine went 2-4 with a 5.54 ERA. I think those three pitchers turned out quite nice.

Half-Truism
05-26-2009, 11:25 PM
I'll tell you what if Frank Wren doesn't start looking for at least a couple good hitters then we're done for the rest of the season, hands down.

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:26 PM
look a here. 6 in a row set down by Medlen...who sucks.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 11:29 PM
no, the evidence is not in your favor. I am not arguing that he is playing well, but to say he sucks is just moronic and that's being nice about it. It's two freaking starts dude. Thank GOD you're not making any personnel decisions. Smoltz went 2-7 with a 5.48 ERA in his first year. Greg Maddux went 2-4 with a 5.52 ERA. Glavine went 2-4 with a 5.54 ERA. I think those three pitchers turned out quite nice.

And how many more pitchers performed the same and DIDN'T turn out nice? I'm not saying he should never be allowed to pitch again or should be traded, but he definitely shouldn't get another start in the majors this season.

I'm also not saying this is the best he will do. But to say he doesn't suck as this moment in time is ridiculous. When a pitcher does the exact opposite to what got him called up and the only positive is that he actually went an inning without allowing a run, what should you take from that? He may develop into a decent pitcher in the future, but currently he's horrible. And he's not doing horribly due to being overmatched, which is the key. He's doing horribly by not pitching like he can. He has the stuff, but he hasn't been using it. And he's shown that when under pressure, as he has been in 4 innings, he crumbles. He's doing the same things we ***** about Jo-Jo doing.

Why was Medlen called up in the first place (besides injuries and Hanson's status)? Because he had several pitches that he could throw for strikes, he didn't walk batters, and he didn't give up runs. Has he done any of that? Again, he's not out of his league; he's pitching like he's scared to death which is a lot worse.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 11:30 PM
look a here. 6 in a row set down by Medlen...who sucks.

Yay, his ERA for this game is down to 9!! I'll care when he gets out of a jam once. This isn't the Phillies or BoSox or Yankees. He's facing the Giants for God's sake.

Not that it'll matter with our offense. After the first run scored, we had one foot in the grave for this game.

Pierce2378
05-26-2009, 11:33 PM
I blame it on players with flat brims....jo jo, medlen, schafer. If hanson comes up with a nice curved brim, he will be good. These flat brim players are for the birds. Kinda Deutchebaggery.

I do wish them the best but curve that brim, this isnt a fashion show.

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:33 PM
And how many more pitchers performed the same and DIDN'T turn out nice? I'm not saying he should never be allowed to pitch again or should be traded, but he definitely shouldn't get another start in the majors this season.

I'm also not saying this is the best he will do. But to say he doesn't suck as this moment in time is ridiculous. When a pitcher does the exact opposite to what got him called up and the only positive is that he actually went an inning without allowing a run, what should you take from that? He may develop into a decent pitcher in the future, but currently he's horrible. And he's not doing horribly due to being overmatched, which is the key. He's doing horribly by not pitching like he can. He has the stuff, but he hasn't been using it. And he's shown that when under pressure, as he has been in 4 innings, he crumbles. He's doing the same things we ***** about Jo-Jo doing.

Why was Medlen called up in the first place (besides injuries and Hanson's status)? Because he had several pitches that he could throw for strikes, he didn't walk batters, and he didn't give up runs. Has he done any of that? Again, he's not out of his league; he's pitching like he's scared to death which is a lot worse.

Actually, I think he's shown a lot from last game to this game. He had one bad inning so far. The rest, he's done pretty well. Also, you said he sucks. Not that he is sucking right now...you said he sucks. It sounds like you've backtracked a little bit there by saying that he might be good in the future...but right now he sucks. At any rate, I disagree with even that. He rebounded nicely from the 1 bad inning and is starting to find his groove a little. He has sat down the last 8 batters as of right now.

Half-Truism
05-26-2009, 11:35 PM
And how many more pitchers performed the same and DIDN'T turn out nice? I'm not saying he should never be allowed to pitch again or should be traded, but he definitely shouldn't get another start in the majors this season.

I'm also not saying this is the best he will do. But to say he doesn't suck as this moment in time is ridiculous. When a pitcher does the exact opposite to what got him called up and the only positive is that he actually went an inning without allowing a run, what should you take from that? He may develop into a decent pitcher in the future, but currently he's horrible. And he's not doing horribly due to being overmatched, which is the key. He's doing horribly by not pitching like he can. He has the stuff, but he hasn't been using it. And he's shown that when under pressure, as he has been in 4 innings, he crumbles. He's doing the same things we ***** about Jo-Jo doing.

Why was Medlen called up in the first place (besides injuries and Hanson's status)? Because he had several pitches that he could throw for strikes, he didn't walk batters, and he didn't give up runs. Has he done any of that? Again, he's not out of his league; he's pitching like he's scared to death which is a lot worse.

Even then I still wouldn't consider Medlen our root of all evil. If Frank doesn't get on the phone after this series and asks about some players then were doomed for the rest of the season. We may have to give up some of our HIGH LEVEL prospects, doesn't matter to me. I'm sick of wasting my time watching the Braves hoping for a win and end up not getting one due to our offense.

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:36 PM
Yay, his ERA for this game is down to 9!! I'll care when he gets out of a jam once. This isn't the Phillies or BoSox or Yankees. He's facing the Giants for God's sake.

Not that it'll matter with our offense. After the first run scored, we had one foot in the grave for this game.

and...what's your point. how many times have we seen our aces struggle against terrible teams in the past. 2 games, it's just 2 games. Some of you people are just laughable.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 11:39 PM
Actually, I think he's shown a lot from last game to this game. He had one bad inning so far. The rest, he's done pretty well. Also, you said he sucks. Not that he is sucking right now...you said he sucks. It sounds like you've backtracked a little bit there by saying that he might be good in the future...but right now he sucks. At any rate, I disagree with even that. He rebounded nicely from the 1 bad inning and is starting to find his groove a little. He has sat down the last 8 batters as of right now.

"Sucks" is present tense. Otherwise I'd say he WILL suck.

Again, it's the GIANTS. They have 1 starter hitting .300 and he's not playing. The highest SLG is .468. They have Randy Winn batting 3rd. This is not an offense that scores 4 runs easily in an entire game, much less an inning.

Jo-Jo almost always pitches great for 3-4 innings and then gives up 4 or 5 runs. Doesn't matter if you're still getting lit up. And I still haven't seen him work out of any trouble. That's when he's been hurt, when guys got on and he had to battle.

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:43 PM
"Sucks" is present tense. Otherwise I'd say he WILL suck.

Again, it's the GIANTS. They have 1 starter hitting .300 and he's not playing. The highest SLG is .468. They have Randy Winn batting 3rd. This is not an offense that scores 4 runs easily in an entire game, much less an inning.

Jo-Jo almost always pitches great for 3-4 innings and then gives up 4 or 5 runs. Doesn't matter if you're still getting lit up. And I still haven't seen him work out of any trouble. That's when he's been hurt, when guys got on and he had to battle.

yeah okay, if you say so. I think pretty much everyone knows what you meant. Spin it how you like though. I could care less about he level of talent he is facing. In fact, I think facing this Giants team and rebounding the way he is might help him with his confidence in the future. However, if he does turn it around, don't go jumping on the Medlen wagon then, you know, since he sucks and all.

nps6724
05-26-2009, 11:50 PM
and...what's your point. how many times have we seen our aces struggle against terrible teams in the past. 2 games, it's just 2 games. Some of you people are just laughable.

So what we should do is sit back an say "He's still young, he'll improve" and call it a day? That's more laughable to me because it's completely wishy-washy. You could say the same for Schafer. They're in the major leagues. They are at the top and someone deemed them worthy of being here. I don't expect perfect or even good results, but I expect improvement. Good for Medlen to stay in there and get some outs, but he still panicked under pressure and got hit and hit hard. That's not a positive sign in any fashion.

Also, our aces may struggle but they usually do so playing their game. Derek Lowe doesn't do the opposite of what works for him. He doesn't try to throw the ball past guys because he can't do it. He sticks to his gameplan. Sometimes it doesn't work, but he sticks to it. Medlen isn't doing ANYTHING that he did at AAA, which is the problem. Even when getting outs, he's missing spots and going to a lot of 3-ball counts.



yeah okay, if you say so. I think pretty much everyone knows what you meant. Spin it how you like though. I could care less about he level of talent he is facing. In fact, I think facing this Giants team and rebounding the way he is might help him with his confidence in the future. However, if he does turn it around, don't go jumping on the Medlen wagon then, you know, since he sucks and all.

If you or anyone else can't read and comprehend the English language, there's a ton of schools and self-help books available. The only way I'll jump on Medlen's bandwagon is if he starts pitching like he did at AAA, whether or not the results are similar. If he pitched like he did at Gwinnett and got crushes, I wouldn't have a problem with it because that would just mean he's not ready and he has more work to do. He went from 10 walks in 37 innings to 7 walks in 8 innings. That's not a "he's not ready" issue.

ATLKoos16
05-26-2009, 11:57 PM
Come on Greg earn your paycheck here!!!!

SilverAndBlue
05-26-2009, 11:58 PM
hahahahahaha....you're ridiculous

NBA_Starter
05-26-2009, 11:58 PM
Let me guess another wasted scoring opportunity?

Yup :(

ATLKoos16
05-26-2009, 11:58 PM
Or not. Man he sucks this year

nps6724
05-27-2009, 12:00 AM
Lincecum has struck out 7, at least 6 of them have come on changeups below the knees and we've offered every time. You'd think someone would notice the pattern.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 12:03 AM
There's no point in keeping Greg Norton around anymore. He has 3 hits on the year in 28 PH AB and he hasn't played the field even a single out. Why waste a bench spot on someone who all they do is hit except when, you know, ASKED to hit?

nps6724
05-27-2009, 12:04 AM
I hope Lincecum was just in there to move the runner. We might have a chance with their pen.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 12:08 AM
KJ just keeps swinging at the 1st pitch. He does realize he gets 3 strikes, right?

Joe Smoe
05-27-2009, 12:32 AM
So what we should do is sit back an say "He's still young, he'll improve" and call it a day? That's more laughable to me because it's completely wishy-washy. You could say the same for Schafer. They're in the major leagues. They are at the top and someone deemed them worthy of being here. I don't expect perfect or even good results, but I expect improvement. Good for Medlen to stay in there and get some outs, but he still panicked under pressure and got hit and hit hard. That's not a positive sign in any fashion.

Also, our aces may struggle but they usually do so playing their game. Derek Lowe doesn't do the opposite of what works for him. He doesn't try to throw the ball past guys because he can't do it. He sticks to his gameplan. Sometimes it doesn't work, but he sticks to it. Medlen isn't doing ANYTHING that he did at AAA, which is the problem. Even when getting outs, he's missing spots and going to a lot of 3-ball counts.




If you or anyone else can't read and comprehend the English language, there's a ton of schools and self-help books available. The only way I'll jump on Medlen's bandwagon is if he starts pitching like he did at AAA, whether or not the results are similar. If he pitched like he did at Gwinnett and got crushes, I wouldn't have a problem with it because that would just mean he's not ready and he has more work to do. He went from 10 walks in 37 innings to 7 walks in 8 innings. That's not a "he's not ready" issue.

Wow, the guy is in his second game and your ready to cut the man loose. There is a difference between AAA and the bigs, and he needs to make the adjustment. So he didnt nail it his first two times out, most dont! As it was pointed out by Silver, it was only one bad inning this time. He recovered nicely imho and hopefully gained some confidence from it. Many would be more then glad to offer Medlen a shot in there rotation. Heck, many aces even get nailed every once in awhile. So if Lowe gets knocked for 4 runs are you off his bandwagon too?

I couldnt care less if you ever jump on any bandwagon myself. If the Braves are to stand a chance in the next few years, it will be based upon letting some younger players try to proove them selves and getting a chance to advance. Hanson could have a few tough outings as well, you might as well start your rant on him too.

AustinTheGreat
05-27-2009, 02:11 AM
ive said it before and i'll say it again. Last number of seasons it seems like we are a team that doesnt beat the teams that we should beat. Good teams beat the crappy teams. They dont loose twice to the giants.

BRAVE KID
05-27-2009, 02:20 AM
Big-frame mayhem hurts Medlen, Braves
Starter tagged with four runs in second; offense struggles



SAN FRANCISCO -- Tim Lincecum doesn't necessarily need much assistance. But while tossing eight scoreless innings against the Braves at AT&T Park on Tuesday night, the reigning National League Cy Young Award winner was certainly appreciative of the five-pitch walk he drew off Kris Medlen.

While displaying much better control than he had during his Major League debut, Medlen was forced to face the consequences of this two-out walk, which prolonged the second inning long enough for the Giants to tally all of the runs that encompassed the 4-0 win they gained over the Braves at AT&T Park on Tuesday night.

Proving that he hadn't suddenly morphed into the latest version of Rick Ankiel or Steve Blass, Medlen issued just two walks in 5 1/3 innings. But while showing the control that he'd lacked during his debut five days earlier, he was doomed by the four-run second inning that would have been a scoreless one if he had retired Lincecum, who entered the game with a .158 batting average.

Following the walk to Lincecum, Medlen saw Aaron Rowand deliver a two-run double into the left-field corner. Edgar Renteria then capped the inning with a single that scored Lincecum and Rowand, whose feet-first slide knocked the ball loose from Braves catcher Brian McCann.

Medlen, who had exited his debut after throwing just three of his 18 fourth-inning pitches for strikes, followed Renteria's single by retiring the final 11 batters he faced. The 23-year-old right-hander was charged with four earned runs and four hits.

Lincecum scattered five hits and issued two walks over his eight scoreless innings. Chipper Jones' first-inning double accounted for the only extra-base hit surrendered by the 24-year-old right-hander. braves.com

box (http://braves.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20090526&content_id=4974224&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=away)

knew I was going to hate this series, just horrible matchups.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 08:10 AM
Wow, the guy is in his second game and your ready to cut the man loose. There is a difference between AAA and the bigs, and he needs to make the adjustment. So he didnt nail it his first two times out, most dont! As it was pointed out by Silver, it was only one bad inning this time. He recovered nicely imho and hopefully gained some confidence from it. Many would be more then glad to offer Medlen a shot in there rotation. Heck, many aces even get nailed every once in awhile. So if Lowe gets knocked for 4 runs are you off his bandwagon too?

I couldnt care less if you ever jump on any bandwagon myself. If the Braves are to stand a chance in the next few years, it will be based upon letting some younger players try to proove them selves and getting a chance to advance. Hanson could have a few tough outings as well, you might as well start your rant on him too.

It's very apparent you and Silver can't read otherwise you'd understand. It has little to do with the fact he got roughed up; it's how it occurred. He's known for pitching a certain way and he hasn't done that. That's cause for concern. The results are important, but it's also important to know how you got to the results. For example if a hitter goes 0-4, you read the boxscore and say he had a bad night. But if you watched the game and saw he hit 2 line drives that the defense made great plays on, you'd know he hit the ball well but bad luck intervened. Go back to Vazquez's start against St. Louis. He gave up 5 total runs, 4 in the 5th. He allowed 6 singles in that inning; 4 of them were bloopers hit off the end of the bat or fought off their hands. He pitched very well but as luck would have it, those balls fell in. How you arrive at the results is just as important as the results themselves.

Good for Medlen to stay in and do some good last night, but he's having the same problems we *****ed about with Jo-Jo: too many walks, too many pitches, gets hit hard, struggles under pressure. Both can pitch well in spurts and can shut down an offense, but when they get in trouble, they implode. It's happened 4 times to Medlen already. My concerns will be alleviated when he stops going to 3-ball counts on 90% of hitters and gets out of a jam for once (i.e., when a runner gets to 2nd, he doesn't automatically score like has happened so far).

Joe Smoe
05-27-2009, 11:03 AM
It's very apparent you and Silver can't read otherwise you'd understand. It has little to do with the fact he got roughed up; it's how it occurred. He's known for pitching a certain way and he hasn't done that. That's cause for concern. The results are important, but it's also important to know how you got to the results. For example if a hitter goes 0-4, you read the boxscore and say he had a bad night. But if you watched the game and saw he hit 2 line drives that the defense made great plays on, you'd know he hit the ball well but bad luck intervened. Go back to Vazquez's start against St. Louis. He gave up 5 total runs, 4 in the 5th. He allowed 6 singles in that inning; 4 of them were bloopers hit off the end of the bat or fought off their hands. He pitched very well but as luck would have it, those balls fell in. How you arrive at the results is just as important as the results themselves.

Good for Medlen to stay in and do some good last night, but he's having the same problems we *****ed about with Jo-Jo: too many walks, too many pitches, gets hit hard, struggles under pressure. Both can pitch well in spurts and can shut down an offense, but when they get in trouble, they implode. It's happened 4 times to Medlen already. My concerns will be alleviated when he stops going to 3-ball counts on 90% of hitters and gets out of a jam for once (i.e., when a runner gets to 2nd, he doesn't automatically score like has happened so far).

Yes, your right! I cant read... wow. Can you send me some of those help books your talking about so I can learn? :o Way to respond with a insult.

Look you said it your self "he's not out of his league; he's pitching like he's scared to death which is a lot worse." The kid is a rookie, he is still making the adjustment to being part of something he has perhaps imagined his whole life becoming. He got nailed a bit, and needs a chance to calm down. He took the higher road and came back out and completed some innings after he got nailed.

It sounds like you expect every rookie to come up like a super star. If you throw every rookie under the wheel when they try to adjust then you might as well not have a farm. He gave up 4 runs! Heck even Smoltz gave up 4 runs from time to time. Give the kid a break!

nps6724
05-27-2009, 11:19 AM
Yes, your right! I cant read... wow. Can you send me some of those help books your talking about so I can learn? :o Way to respond with a insult.

Then don't respond with the same thing Silver said that ignores what I've said 4 times.



Look you said it your self "he's not out of his league; he's pitching like he's scared to death which is a lot worse." The kid is a rookie, he is still making the adjustment to being part of something he has perhaps imagined his whole life becoming. He got nailed a bit, and needs a chance to calm down. He took the higher road and came back out and completed some innings after he got nailed.

It sounds like you expect every rookie to come up like a super star. If you throw every rookie under the wheel when they try to adjust then you might as well not have a farm. He gave up 4 runs! Heck even Smoltz gave up 4 runs from time to time. Give the kid a break!

You still don't understand my position, which is why I said what I said.

If he came in and threw strikes, didn't walk everyone, had some control, and got ripped, no big deal. That would show he's just out of his league. The fact that he arrived and couldn't do any of these, which are all independent of your competition, is where the concern lies. I don't expect superstardom, but I do expect competence. If you hired someone based on their high work ethic and energetic disposition and they displayed neither upon arrival, you would be concerned as well.

Joe Smoe
05-27-2009, 01:16 PM
Then don't respond with the same thing Silver said that ignores what I've said 4 times.




You still don't understand my position, which is why I said what I said.

If he came in and threw strikes, didn't walk everyone, had some control, and got ripped, no big deal. That would show he's just out of his league. The fact that he arrived and couldn't do any of these, which are all independent of your competition, is where the concern lies. I don't expect superstardom, but I do expect competence. If you hired someone based on their high work ethic and energetic disposition and they displayed neither upon arrival, you would be concerned as well.

Yes your right, I do not understand your position. Thats because you keep changing your stance. Yeah I get it, he didnt come out like miss America with a energetic disposition, but he did have a high enough work ethic to make it this far. I guess we look at this situation differently, because I see a guy who got nailed, then got over it. Following the Renteria single, he retired the final 11 batters he faced.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 01:39 PM
Yes your right, I do not understand your position. Thats because you keep changing your stance. Yeah I get it, he didnt come out like miss America with a energetic disposition, but he did have a high enough work ethic to make it this far. I guess we look at this situation differently, because I see a guy who got nailed, then got over it. Following the Renteria single, he retired the final 11 batters he faced.

Explain where I changed my stance. Your lack of comprehension doesn't mean it occurred. You're right we definitely look at this differently because I see a guy who made it to the majors and is doing the opposite of what got him here and a guy who has crumbled each time any pressure has been put on him.

Brave4life
05-27-2009, 05:48 PM
Check out these numbers. The Braves 1-4 starting pitchers have these combined hitting stats for the year.

70 ABs
11 Hits
20 Ks
.157 BA

In Schafers last 70 ABs

11 Hits
25 SO
.157 BA

Brave4life
05-27-2009, 05:52 PM
I dont want to make the same mistake we did on francouer. We brought him up from AA. We should have let Schafer play this year in AAA. you can argue that frenchy needed time in AAA. I love schafers defense but if he could atleast try to put the ball in play. He is a strikeout machine.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 10:23 PM
Well, Bill Miller already has 2 Ks tonight. Looks like a huge zone tonight. Diory struck out on a ball 5 inches inside and Chipper struck out on a ball at his shin.

beldugo
05-27-2009, 10:35 PM
randy johnson two easy innings...thats trouble...

Half-Truism
05-27-2009, 10:49 PM
1-0. Lets see if our offense can do something tonight.

NBA_Starter
05-27-2009, 10:51 PM
I'm so frustrated in this team this week!

Half-Truism
05-27-2009, 10:52 PM
I would like to see Jordan hit for the cycle tonight.

Half-Truism
05-27-2009, 10:55 PM
Dammit man, we don't face the Nationals again until July 3rd :mad:

Half-Truism
05-27-2009, 10:56 PM
Our hitters suck so bad!

NBA_Starter
05-27-2009, 10:58 PM
KK almost got a hit, that would have made the rest of the lineup look bad!

nps6724
05-27-2009, 11:00 PM
Unit perfect through 3. How we continually play down to our competition I'll never know. I guess we don't realize all the games count.

Half-Truism
05-27-2009, 11:03 PM
Rowand doubles.

Half-Truism
05-27-2009, 11:08 PM
I wish we could just trade our whole team, well except Chipper and Brian.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 11:10 PM
The cause of our losing isn't the lack of a true leadoff hitter or power or speed, it's because we simply don't show up. We're 3 games above .500 against winning teams but we're 2 games under .500 against .500 or worse teams. We're unprepared, unmotivated, and completely lethargic against bad teams. If we played like you're supposed to against bad teams, we'd be in 1st place by 2 games easy. Pittsburgh, Colorado, Arizona, Washington, San Francisco, these are teams you should be whooping up on.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 11:10 PM
And we just gave the Giants a run by making yet another mental mistake in this game. God we're the dumbest team in baseball.

NBA_Starter
05-27-2009, 11:11 PM
OMG are you kidding me, Ross falls?!:(

We had him dead to rites!

nps6724
05-27-2009, 11:13 PM
Well, we're definitely earning the sweep. Horrible pitching, horrible hitting, horrible catching. The only thing that hasn't stunk is our defense besides catcher.

Half-Truism
05-27-2009, 11:17 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





















































































































































































We finally got a hit.

Born a Brave
05-27-2009, 11:18 PM
Does this game remind anyone of a certain start that the Big Unit made in Turner Field a few years back with the Diamondbacks? Finally broke up the perfect game... nevermind

Half-Truism
05-27-2009, 11:23 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me, lead-off double amounts to nothing.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 11:23 PM
And Chipper tears his vagina the one time he takes the bat off his shoulder. Good job Braves, way to waste a leadoff double. God, we're making the 2009 Randy Johnson look like the 1999 Randy Johnson. Goddamn pathetic. The "professional" in front of "professional baseball player" should be removed when discussing the Braves because we look like a bunch of amateurs.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 11:25 PM
Does this game remind anyone of a certain start that the Big Unit made in Turner Field a few years back with the Diamondbacks? Finally broke up the perfect game... nevermind

Don't worry, we'll still get shut out. That's what happens when you hit like a bunch of fairies.

NBA_Starter
05-27-2009, 11:26 PM
Runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs and no run... Surprise, Surprise!:(

NBA_Starter
05-27-2009, 11:27 PM
And the Giants continue to hit the ball like they have the Phillies lineup or something!:(

Born a Brave
05-27-2009, 11:31 PM
Bottom line is, we cant expect to contend with the lineup we are putting on the field every night. When one of Chipper or McCann is out, its a good AAA lineup. We need a hitter. Badly. Preferably Jermaine Dye or Matt Holliday.

nps6724
05-27-2009, 11:35 PM
Bottom line is, we cant expect to contend with the lineup we are putting on the field every night. When one of Chipper or McCann is out, its a good AAA lineup. We need a hitter. Badly. Preferably Jermaine Dye or Matt Holliday.

If we'd just show up against bad teams, we'd be fine. We are doing well against the top teams yet poorly against bad teams. One hitter isn't going to change that unless he's a great motivational speaker.

NBA_Starter
05-27-2009, 11:35 PM
I'm surprised we got away with hitting a batter for once.

NBA_Starter
05-27-2009, 11:36 PM
Come on let's get the bats going!

Born a Brave
05-27-2009, 11:36 PM
Kind of dissappointed in KK tonight. Was hoping he would build on the success from last start. He has done a good job of damage control tonight, but the Giants lineup is nearly as bad as ours. I thought KK might begin consistently learning how to control his pitches, but he has been pretty eratic tonight.