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PurpleJesus
05-23-2009, 10:49 PM
The best teams in the league are built around one player, their #1 option. Almost every team has a guy that they are trying to build around. These guys include, but are not limited to Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, Chris Paul etc... etc...

I want to know which team has the best number 2 guy on the team that could be built around, guys like Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, Ben Gordon, etc... etc...

Vinny642
05-23-2009, 10:52 PM
It depends who the first one is

PurpleJesus
05-23-2009, 11:05 PM
It depends who the first one is

you take the number two option off of a team, and make him the guy to build around...so you would take Pau Gasol (lakers number two option) off the Lakers and build a team around him. He then would be the number one

chisportscbb
05-23-2009, 11:13 PM
Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett. Whichever one you think is the second option.

Gro_Da_Fro_Back
05-23-2009, 11:14 PM
Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett. Whichever one you think is the second option.

Ray Allen is best??:confused:

PurpleJesus
05-23-2009, 11:17 PM
haha, I was going to exclude Boston from this because those three are actually all number ones, but I wouldnt mind building a team around Rondo

chisportscbb
05-23-2009, 11:19 PM
Ray Allen is best??
No, either Paul Pierce is one, and Garnett is a two or the other way around. Ray Allen is a three on Boston. Rondos pretty good too.

ink
05-23-2009, 11:25 PM
you take the number two option off of a team, and make him the guy to build around...so you would take Pau Gasol (lakers number two option) off the Lakers and build a team around him. He then would be the number one

Memphis tried that. Didn't work.

PurpleJesus
05-23-2009, 11:27 PM
Memphis tried that. Didn't work.

So who do you think is the best number two option that you could build a team around, I wasnt saying Pau Gasol, I was just trying to explain the thread to someone who didnt understand it.

hotpotato1092
05-23-2009, 11:32 PM
Carmello or Chauncey, whoever's #2 there, or Boozer, I think he could do it with a good supporting cast.

theuuord
05-23-2009, 11:40 PM
Gasol, easily.

I don't get why Lakers fans give 99% of the credit to Kobe when they were a .500 team with Kobe after Shaq until Gasol came along.

The guy is the most oddly underappreciated player in the NBA.

sixer04fan
05-23-2009, 11:41 PM
I like this thread...

1) KG or Pierce (one of them being 1st)
2) Amare (nash being 1st)
3) Gasol (kobe being 1st)
4) Boozer (deron being 1st)
5) Billups/Kidd/Parker with consideration for Jamison/Butler, Rashard Lewis, Josh Smith, Iguodala (Brand being # 1)

Not necessarily saying nash is the #1 option on the team, but he is their best and most important player in my opinion...

koreancabbage
05-23-2009, 11:42 PM
this thread kinda doesn't make sense cuz you need to build around the 1st / #1 guy. Second guy compliments the first guy. so you won't ever know how to build around the 2nd guy.

so yea, cuz a lot of 2nd guys can be 1st guy etc.

carter15
05-23-2009, 11:59 PM
maybe this is a bit of a homer lol....but Devin Harris is a pretty good one....since VC is still number 1 on that team..or if not VC is a pretty good 2 but hes too old to build a team around.

how about Lamarcus Aldridge....he is very young..and very good.

superkegger
05-24-2009, 12:02 AM
If by option you mean offensive option, the paul pierce is the first option, in which case I'd take KG.

znick21
05-24-2009, 12:24 AM
maybe this is a bit of a homer lol....but Devin Harris is a pretty good one....since VC is still number 1 on that team..or if not VC is a pretty good 2 but hes too old to build a team around.

how about Lamarcus Aldridge....he is very young..and very good.

+1 on lamarcus aldridge. if he stopped going for soo many outside jumpers instead of taking it in more he would be unstoppable.

KB24PG16
05-24-2009, 12:32 AM
past shaq or kobe which ever was 1 and pippen

ink
05-24-2009, 01:21 AM
Gasol, easily.

I don't get why Lakers fans give 99% of the credit to Kobe when they were a .500 team with Kobe after Shaq until Gasol came along.

The guy is the most oddly underappreciated player in the NBA.

Agreed. Phenomenal #2 option.

Does it really even matter if he's a #2 option if he adds that much to a team???

Bosh is another great #2 option. Problem is, the Raptors don't have a #1.

Lakersfan2483
05-24-2009, 01:30 AM
Gasol, easily.

I don't get why Lakers fans give 99% of the credit to Kobe when they were a .500 team with Kobe after Shaq until Gasol came along.

The guy is the most oddly underappreciated player in the NBA.

Most knowledgable fans understand Gasol's importance and that the Lakers are a better team with him. He's a very good no. 2 guy. Also, you have to keep in mind when Shaq left, we also lost Payton, Malone, Fisher, Fox, so it was a rebuilding process. We finally started getting a good team around Kobe last season when we signed Fisher again, traded for Gasol and trade for Ariza. Also, Farmar, Sasha, Bynum, improved their overall games.

GREATNESS ONE
05-24-2009, 02:19 AM
Great thread, heres mine.

If you mean to win now

Gasol
Pierce
Artest
Boozer
Nash

For the Future


Horford
Harris
Smith
Mayo
Aldridge
Rondo

Lakersfan2483
05-24-2009, 02:23 AM
Great no. 2 options: D. Granger, P. Gasol, P. Pierce, A. Stoudamire, M. Ginobli, T. Parker, Melo, J. Johnson (he would be better as a 2nd option)

Statik1
05-24-2009, 02:28 AM
Give me Tony Parker or Gasol.

Vinny642
05-24-2009, 02:34 AM
Lemme get JJ or OJ

Statik1
05-24-2009, 02:40 AM
Lemme get JJ or OJ

Ahh hell yeah Jerome James is a #2 bench riding All-Star jk jk jk I kid I kid :D

Tblaze
05-24-2009, 04:21 AM
Tony Parker

PurpleJesus
05-24-2009, 04:30 AM
this thread kinda doesn't make sense cuz you need to build around the 1st / #1 guy. Second guy compliments the first guy. so you won't ever know how to build around the 2nd guy.

so yea, cuz a lot of 2nd guys can be 1st guy etc.

right, which one of those second guys can be a number one is the point of the thread

MickeyMgl
05-24-2009, 04:47 AM
Pau Gasol is the best #2

Raps18-19 Champ
05-24-2009, 10:18 AM
Bosh is a good #2 but I don't think he can lead a team far unless he has a good surrounding bench.

I would choose Parker. It's better to build a team around a PG.

Bucks24226
05-24-2009, 10:48 AM
Great no. 2 options: D. Granger, P. Gasol, P. Pierce, A. Stoudamire, M. Ginobli, T. Parker, Melo, J. Johnson (he would be better as a 2nd option)

I dont think anyone is better than him on the Pacers. He would be a great No.2 option for another team though like THE HEAT WOW they'd be good then
Chalmers
Wade
Granger
Oneal
Haslem /Mark Blount

Raidaz4Life
05-24-2009, 10:58 AM
Rashard Lewis would be a good one imo.

TYoung21
05-24-2009, 11:47 AM
LeBron + Iguodala would be Jordan and Pippen. Iggy = Pippen

sphinxvc
05-24-2009, 11:55 AM
Rashard Lewis would be a good one imo.

2nd that..

Hustla23
05-24-2009, 12:45 PM
If we're speaking of people who are strictly number 2's and not potential number 1's (KG, Pierce, etc) then I'd have to go with Gasol.

He is a beast.

Vinny642
05-24-2009, 12:49 PM
I'd go Rashard!

Hellcrooner
05-24-2009, 01:01 PM
uh are we talking about building for the future, or jsut building instantly?

I cant bealieve no one mentions Jason Kidd....used to be a number one who took a ****** Nj team to the finals twice........



And if we mean futrue


well Gasol proved he coudl carry a HORRIBLE team trhee straight times into the Playoffs with his second banana being the "great" Jason White cholcolate williams....an d his thrid StRomile swift!!!!!!!


so.....

Vinny642
05-24-2009, 01:06 PM
of course im seeing alot of people pick softy. its annoying

skinsfan4life80
05-24-2009, 08:08 PM
Gasol, easily.

I don't get why Lakers fans give 99% of the credit to Kobe when they were a .500 team with Kobe after Shaq until Gasol came along.

The guy is the most oddly underappreciated player in the NBA.

they were in first in the west then they traded for gasol..meanwhile gasol was the number one option on a last place team. Gasol replaced Kwame Brown of course he looks great...he had been the NBA very long enough and had won 0 playoff games...people please stop acting like Gasol is Duncan...or any other elite player.

skinsfan4life80
05-24-2009, 08:13 PM
Amare
Parker
billups
artest

Hellcrooner
05-25-2009, 10:54 AM
they were in first in the west then they traded for gasol..meanwhile gasol was the number one option on a last place team. Gasol replaced Kwame Brown of course he looks great...he had been the NBA very long enough and had won 0 playoff games...people please stop acting like Gasol is Duncan...or any other elite player.


you are taking it Wrong.
Gasol led a load of BULSHIT to the playofs.

Starting five of his first playoff trip,

Jason Williams= Retired becaus he sucks

Bonzi Wells,= playing in CHina

Battier= Ok Role player

Stromile Swift= suns end of the bench?

with Lorenzen Wright and brvin Knight!!!! being the benchmen.......


The other two times he had a slight better team with Mike Miller, Posey or Damon Stoudamire but thats it SLIGHT better.

The three times they faced number 1 seed in the league, its normal with suck a crapload they couldnt win a game.....

Zetterberg40
05-25-2009, 11:13 AM
I'm surprised Rashard actually got 3 or 4 votes I agree as well he was my pick along with Parker either one would be good

bostncelts34
05-25-2009, 11:33 AM
No, either Paul Pierce is one, and Garnett is a two or the other way around. Ray Allen is a three on Boston. Rondos pretty good too.

rondo would ONLY be good to build a team around if your gonna go Phoenix suns style and be a run n gun team with using the speed of rondo.

Rondo (speedy pg)
Allen (shooter)
Marion (fast break specialist)
Kenyon Martin
Sam Dalembert

Angel
05-25-2009, 11:45 AM
Gasol, easily.

I don't get why Lakers fans give 99% of the credit to Kobe when they were a .500 team with Kobe after Shaq until Gasol came along.

The guy is the most oddly underappreciated player in the NBA.

Memphis tried that for years and it never amounted too much. Gasol can't be your #1 option. If he is then your team sucks.

mrblisterdundee
05-25-2009, 12:36 PM
There's no telling how good some of the younger two guys are going to be. Marc might be better than Pau one day. LaMarcus might toughen up and become dominant. Michael Beasley might be the catalyst behind Dwayne Wade. Griffin might make Kevin Martin the second option.

Overall, Tony Parker is the best second option. Don't judge him on the performance of the aging and injured Spurs. Judge him based on the rings adorning his fingers. Only Tim Duncan could make Tony Parker look like a second option.

Hellcrooner
05-25-2009, 12:55 PM
^Parker is the best THIRD option of the entire league.

You know? there is Timmy D and then that dude with the long nose....

carter15
05-25-2009, 01:02 PM
vince carter :)...better then rashard and artest AT THE LEAST.

Shaggmosis
05-25-2009, 01:11 PM
I would have to go with Pau Gasol. He really changed the Lakers since his arrival, they went from a struggling playoff team without him to a contending championship caliber team.

AirJordan23
05-25-2009, 05:04 PM
I wouldn't build around Pierce or Garnett. Those 2 are approaching their mid 30s and on the decline. I'd probably choose Gasol since I like my team built around big men. Besides, Gasol is a very skilled player. Great in the low & high post. His mobility, court vision and size is great. Decent defender who can alter and block shots. Very smart player and has a nice shooting touch. Can spread the floor out to about 18 ft.

Squad13
05-25-2009, 05:12 PM
Gasol, easily.

I don't get why Lakers fans give 99% of the credit to Kobe when they were a .500 team with Kobe after Shaq until Gasol came along.

The guy is the most oddly underappreciated player in the NBA.

With a starting lineup of
Smush Parker
Kobe Bryant
Luke Walton
Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown

That is a joke of a lineup that took a stacked suns team to 7 games. Kobe has complete trash around him.

Hellcrooner
05-25-2009, 05:19 PM
^how about not making the poffs with ALL STAR CARON BUTLER?

or fallinf 4-1 to the suns with basically the same core Minus gasol that went to the finals next year?

theuuord
05-25-2009, 06:01 PM
Memphis tried that for years and it never amounted too much. Gasol can't be your #1 option. If he is then your team sucks.

You mean the teams he led to 50, 45, and 49 wins with basically zero help around him?

Besides, who said anything about making him the #1 option? I was saying he was the best #2 option without a doubt.

theuuord
05-25-2009, 06:03 PM
they were in first in the west then they traded for gasol..meanwhile gasol was the number one option on a last place team. Gasol replaced Kwame Brown of course he looks great...he had been the NBA very long enough and had won 0 playoff games...people please stop acting like Gasol is Duncan...or any other elite player.

See what I mean by weirdly underappreciated?

With Kobe Bryant and Caron Butler, the team was 34-48.
Hell, the team goes from 42-40 to 65-17 in two years, and he's basically the one major difference.

Seriously, people need to start giving Gasol credit. It's pathetic how people don't see his value.

RaiderLakersA's
05-25-2009, 06:11 PM
The best teams in the league are built around one player, their #1 option. Almost every team has a guy that they are trying to build around. These guys include, but are not limited to Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, Chris Paul etc... etc...

I want to know which team has the best number 2 guy on the team that could be built around, guys like Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, Ben Gordon, etc... etc...

I disagree with the premise. On most championship teams, the #1 and #2 were almost indistinguishable, but for the reputations and individual accolades of the players. It was more like 1a and 1b. If Pippen would have had a 1b, the Bulls would have had 7 championships.

Also, let's keep in mind that most teams actually use a system. To the untrained eye, it looks like teams are just fielding highly talented players, all with carte blanche to free lance. But the reality is there is a strategy involved.

aarwich
05-25-2009, 06:28 PM
The best teams in the league are built around one player, their #1 option. Almost every team has a guy that they are trying to build around. These guys include, but are not limited to Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, Chris Paul etc... etc...

I want to know which team has the best number 2 guy on the team that could be built around, guys like Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, Ben Gordon, etc... etc...

Building around Ben Gordon is like Building around a poor mans AI. It's nearly impossible. You need unselfish guys that can shoot from any spot on the floor when he decides to finally pass the ball.

Gasol was the man in Memphis, but management couldn't draft, or keep quality talent.

R. Rondo, D. Lee, A. Bargnani, A. Randolph, R. Stuckey & O.J. Mayo are some good examples of young talent, that with a couple counter parts, could go far in the playoffs every year without reaching super stardom.

Mane
05-25-2009, 06:49 PM
Caron Butler

AIverson
05-25-2009, 06:53 PM
What is considered a 2nd option to you guys?

To me, a 1st option is a guy in the post who, if you don't double him, is going to get you 30 or 40 points in the post. If you don't have this type of player on your team, you're forced into having a collection of talent rather than a true number one option. There are obviously exeptions to every rule, as a guy like Lebron James could be seen as a 1st option player.

I do not consider players like Kobe Bryant to be 1st option players on a championship team. To me, he's either a really strong number 2 or the best player on a super talented team. Him and Iverson are in the same category to me. Those are the two players that would be my choices.

The reason: I feel like you can build a competitive pretender around either Kobe or Iverson. They're both explosive scorers that can put a team on their backs, and you never know what can happen when either of them are on the court. However, neither of them are going to be guys shoot any better than 45-46% on their best day. I'd rather not have my team designed for a 40% shooter to take 20+ shots per game in hopes of him getting hot.

This isn't going to win championships, but it will sell tickets and jerseys. And you can have some success doing this (I.E pretender status).

Kobe and Iverson are my choices.

theuuord
05-25-2009, 06:57 PM
What is considered a 2nd option to you guys?

To me, a 1st option is a guy in the post who, if you don't double him, is going to get you 30 or 40 points in the post. If you don't have this type of player on your team, you're forced into having a collection of talent rather than a true number one option. There are obviously exeptions to every rule, as a guy like Lebron James could be seen as a 1st option player.

I do not consider players like Kobe Bryant to be 1st option players on a championship team. To me, he's either a really strong number 2 or the best player on a super talented team. Him and Iverson are in the same category to me. Those are the two players that would be my choices.

The reason: I feel like you can build a competitive pretender around either Kobe or Iverson. They're both explosive scorers that can put a team on their backs, and you never know what can happen when either of them are on the court. However, neither of them are going to be guys shoot any better than 45-46% on their best day. I'd rather not have my team designed for a 40% shooter to take 20+ shots per game in hopes of him getting hot.

This isn't going to win championships, but it will sell tickets and jerseys. And you can have some success doing this (I.E pretender status).

Kobe and Iverson are my choices.

Maybe Iverson, but Kobe is a career .455 shooter. That's perfectly in between the 45%-46% you say his "best day" would be, but that's what he does on an average day.
Hell, he shot 47% in this past season and is shooting basically the exact same percentage in the postseason as well. He's a leader on a team that (imo) has the best chance of winning the championship this year (although Gasol deserves way more credit than he ever gets).
How is that a pretender?

heyman321
05-25-2009, 07:10 PM
Pau Gasol easily.

Mane
05-25-2009, 07:11 PM
^how about not making the poffs with ALL STAR CARON BUTLER?

or fallinf 4-1 to the suns with basically the same core Minus gasol that went to the finals next year?

Caron wasn't really that great of a player when on the Lakers.

Missing56&33
05-25-2009, 07:20 PM
I have to say Tyrus Thomas with the Bulls, the Bulls should keep him as the #2 guy and DR obviously #1 and build a championship caliber team. TT really improved that 15'18' jumpshot last year.

AIverson
05-25-2009, 07:23 PM
Maybe Iverson, but Kobe is a career .455 shooter. That's perfectly in between the 45%-46% you say his "best day" would be, but that's what he does on an average day.
Hell, he shot 47% in this past season and is shooting basically the exact same percentage in the postseason as well. He's a leader on a team that (imo) has the best chance of winning the championship this year (although Gasol deserves way more credit than he ever gets).
How is that a pretender?

45% is a low FG%. That's just not good enough to build a team around. Kobe, like Iverson, has had multiple seasons under 45%. Who considers that type of production to be a legit first option? In that case, you could call Vince Carter a number 1, but we all know that he isn't. When you look at guys like Wade, you have to wonder why Kobe and Iverson -- both players who are just as talented -- can't produce the way he does from the field.

Both Iverson and Kobe are guys are given a high volume of shots in hopes of them getting hot and going for huge point totals. That's it. that's all a team build around them is. To me, that isn't a true number 1 option; any number of allstar SG's can play that style. We've seen players like T-mac, Vince and Pierce do it before. None of them are number 1 options.

Re-read this quote from my previous post: "To me, a 1st option is a guy in the post who, if you don't double him, is going to get you 30 or 40 points in the post."

Now read this one: "If you don't have this type of player on your team, you're forced into having a collection of talent rather than a true number one option."

^Clearly, this is what the Lakers fall under. They're a great basketball team with a huge collection of talent. Kobe just happens to be the best player on the team. They have the low post presence needed to compete for championship. The only thing they lack is strong PG play.

My pretender remark was directed towards Allen Iverson's 01 76ers.

hgtiger32
05-25-2009, 07:28 PM
Josh Howard-Dallas...Dirk #1
Caron Butler-Washington...Gilbert #1
Rashard Lewis/Hedo Turkuglo- Orlando...Dwight #1"

charlsdq7
05-25-2009, 07:34 PM
Iggy

conway429
05-25-2009, 07:51 PM
AIverson: I completely disagree with everything you said.
It blows my mind that you say Kobe is a 2nd option? WTF!?!?
Then in that quote you say a 1st option has to be able to put up 30-40 points in the post?
So you're basically saying that a #1 option for you has to be a big man....
"We've seen players like T-mac, Vince and Pierce do it before. None of them are number 1 options." Actually they're all number ones...
A number 1 option for a team means that they get the most opportunities on the offensive end. That the majority of plays run through them.
It could be a Center (Shaq), or a PG (Iverson).
You're putting too much emphasis on shooting percentage, confusing the main scoring option with efficiency.
Guards shoot a much lower FG% than big men. Kobe's .455 is decent, as few guards put up 50%+ since Jordan.
Andris Biedrins shot 58% this year.
I'm having trouble putting my thoughts together, I think I'm still in shock at you referring to Kobe as not a legit #1 guy.
And I hate Kobe.

theuuord
05-25-2009, 07:54 PM
45% is a low FG%. That's just not good enough to build a team around. Kobe, like Iverson, has had multiple seasons under 45%. Who considers that type of production to be a legit first option? In that case, you could call Vince Carter a number 1, but we all know that he isn't. When you look at guys like Wade, you have to wonder why Kobe and Iverson -- both players who are just as talented -- can't produce the way he does from the field.

You're looking at the comparison through one eye only, which is hurting your perspective. A 45% field goal percentage isn't great for a big man, but it's fine for a guard who takes a bunch of threes like Kobe. For instance, this year Kobe shot .496 on twos and .351 on threes, which is a fine number - excellent when you factor in just how many possessions he was using. Add in his good free throw percentage and he's got a TS% of .561 and an eFG% of .502, which for a shooting guard using 30% of his team's possessions is an elite scoring level.

Field goal percentage is an umbrella number that on its own can't really tell you much. You have to dig deeper. When you do, you see a lot more.



Both Iverson and Kobe are guys are given a high volume of shots in hopes of them getting hot and going for huge point totals. That's it. that's all a team build around them is. To me, that isn't a true number 1 option; any number of allstar SG's can play that style. We've seen players like T-mac, Vince and Pierce do it before. None of them are number 1 options.

Iverson, maybe. T-Mac too. Vince and Pierce are better than those guys (although Iverson's prime was higher) but Kobe is ahead of all of them. He doesn't just take lots and lots of shots and hopes he hits them at an effective rate. He's a consistent, calculated shooter. He's not the best in the NBA but to say he's only a volume shooter by looking ONLY at his FG% is absurd.


Re-read this quote from my previous post: "To me, a 1st option is a guy in the post who, if you don't double him, is going to get you 30 or 40 points in the post."

Now read this one: "If you don't have this type of player on your team, you're forced into having a collection of talent rather than a true number one option."

I agree. You need a dominant big man to win a title unless your name starts with an M and ends with an ichael Jordan. But that doesn't discredit how ridiculously good Kobe is as a wing player.


^Clearly, this is what the Lakers fall under. They're a great basketball team with a huge collection of talent. Kobe just happens to be the best player on the team. They have the low post presence needed to compete for championship. The only thing they lack is strong PG play.

My pretender remark was directed towards Allen Iverson's 01 76ers.

You can't just say that Kobe "happens" to be the best player on the team, like it was an accident. He is. He's the best player on the Lakers and imo the 4th best player in the NBA. He's amazing. He's great. He's a Hall of Fame lock. He's the first offensive option on the team, and the second is a dominant post player who gets way less credit than he deserves.
Usually Kobe gets more credit than he deserves, but you're giving him way less here because you're not looking at the entire picture.

Shortys4711
05-25-2009, 08:02 PM
I would have to say any of the following

STAT, Rashard Lewis, T Mac or Yao depending on whos 2nd, Ben Gorden, Billiups, and maybe Beasley and Oden depending on how they go next season

AIverson
05-25-2009, 08:59 PM
First off, let me say this: You make some very strong points. However, I'm going to stick to opinion on the subject.


You're looking at the comparison through one eye only, which is hurting your perspective. A 45% field goal percentage isn't great for a big man, but it's fine for a guard who takes a bunch of threes like Kobe. For instance, this year Kobe shot .496 on twos and .351 on threes, which is a fine number - excellent when you factor in just how many possessions he was using. Add in his good free throw percentage and he's got a TS% of .561 and an eFG% of .502, which for a shooting guard using 30% of his team's possessions is an elite scoring level.

45% isn't a fine for any position if said player is suspose to be a number 1 guy. For as good a player Kobe is, his FG% should really be beyond 45%. A shooting % that low shows a lack consistency when you take into consideration that Kobe goes for 40-50 points so often. He's streaky with a high ceiling. Basiclly, a JR Smith-type player but with a higher ceiling and lower fall off point. Now I'm obviously not saying JR's as good as Byrant. Kobe is far, far beyond JR's level.


Field goal percentage is an umbrella number that on its own can't really tell you much. You have to dig deeper. When you do, you see a lot more.

I agree; however, field goal percentage combined with watching the player play can still tell you a lot.


Iverson, maybe. T-Mac too. Vince and Pierce are better than those guys (although Iverson's prime was higher) but Kobe is ahead of all of them. He doesn't just take lots and lots of shots and hopes he hits them at an effective rate. He's a consistent, calculated shooter. He's not the best in the NBA but to say he's only a volume shooter by looking ONLY at his FG% is absurd.

I disagree with Kobe being better than prime Iverson, but let's not get into that right now. I'll save us both the trouble of Iverson fanboy rants.:o

The thing is, I'm not looking ONLY at his FG%. I'm looking at his scoring numbers, his FGA and his FG%. Kobe can have a series of games that look like this: 15/21, 8/21, 10/25, 11/19, 12/27. I don't see how this is anything but a volume shooter getting a lot of shot attemps in hopes of getting hot. This is exactly how Kobe plays.


I agree. You need a dominant big man to win a title unless your name starts with an M and ends with an ichael Jordan. But that doesn't discredit how ridiculously good Kobe is as a wing player.

I'm not trying to discredit how good a wing player Kobe is, I'm discrediting the importance of a volume scoring wing player all together.



You can't just say that Kobe "happens" to be the best player on the team, like it was an accident. He is. He's the best player on the Lakers and imo the 4th best player in the NBA. He's amazing. He's great. He's a Hall of Fame lock. He's the first offensive option on the team, and the second is a dominant post player who gets way less credit than he deserves.
Usually Kobe gets more credit than he deserves, but you're giving him way less here because you're not looking at the entire picture.

No doubt, Kobe is an amazing player. I'm glad I got to grow up watching him battle it out against all of my favorite players. I have him as the 5th best in the NBA, so we're not far off. I just don't see SG's in gerneral as number 1 options. That's it.

harsh506
05-25-2009, 09:17 PM
Brandon Roy :shrug:

dibacco59
05-25-2009, 09:44 PM
the sixers built their team around a phenomenal #2 option in andre iguodala . . . . . . . look where that got them

PurpleJesus
05-25-2009, 09:45 PM
Brandon Roy :shrug:

A team is already being built around Brandon Roy, if you think he is the second best player on that team, you are strongly mistaken.

Raptor-54
05-25-2009, 09:50 PM
Chris Mihm :P

PurpleJesus
05-25-2009, 09:51 PM
Chris Mihm :P

mark madsen

EaglesJackson10
05-25-2009, 10:26 PM
the sixers built their team around a phenomenal #2 option in andre iguodala . . . . . . . look where that got them

They took the team that is going to win the Eastern Conference to 6 games with out their number 1 option.

SpeeMN
05-25-2009, 11:39 PM
A number one option can get any damn field goal percentage he gets, he is still a number one option. In no way can field goal percentage have to do with a number one option. If you want to compare number one's and rate them then yes, use field goal % all you want.... but we're talking about the difference between a number one and a number two. The number two is a player known to be able to score but is not relied on to score.

I would say Garnett is a number two.
So:

Garnett
Billups
Artest

Super.
05-26-2009, 11:12 AM
Caron Bulter

Rondo (Seeing that he has 3 #1's on his team)

PurpleJesus
05-26-2009, 10:52 PM
Caron Bulter

Rondo (Seeing that he has 3 #1's on his team)

Rondon is a homer pick for you...but thats ok, I agree with it...The T-wolves were apperently trying real hard to get him in the KG trade along with AL, and Boston said NO!!!...damn:mad:

BullsNumber1Fan
05-26-2009, 10:54 PM
Ben Gordon did carry the Bulls to the Eastern Conference Semis vs. the Pistons back in 2007 and we were supposed to be the best etam last year. I would say he is a good option if you put defense around him like we did.

PurpleJesus
05-26-2009, 11:03 PM
Ben Gordon did carry the Bulls to the Eastern Conference Semis vs. the Pistons back in 2007 and we were supposed to be the best etam last year. I would say he is a good option if you put defense around him like we did.

Ben Gordon is a reasonable opinion to choose for the best #2 to build around, but saying the Bulls were supposed to be the best team last year is a dillusionally homer pick

Jimmies8
05-27-2009, 12:31 AM
After what ive seen from Chauncey in the playoffs i would love to build a team around this guy... He brings that toughness and playoff experience that can help any team, the fact that he's been to the Conference Semifinals 7 straight years is just amazing