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JordansBulls
05-17-2009, 11:25 PM
( 1 ) Cleveland Cavaliers (66-16) vs. ( 3 ) Orlando Magic (59-23)


Cleveland Cavaliers will have the Homecourt Advantage


Orlando Wins Series 4-2 Series Breakdown
Series Information (ESPN.com) (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/magic-cavaliers)


Game 1 Orlando 107 Cleveland 106 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjZUE6fG0XN3IRrEsVRAhE68vLYF?gid=200 9052005)
Game 2 Cleveland 96 Orlando 95 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2009052205)
Game 3 Orlando 99 Cleveland 89 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AhCmsrdOo4erSP3u2ezfVpG8vLYF?gid=200 9052419)
Game 4 Orlando 116 Cleveland 114 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Atz_vHVdqQVR46kv1a1epie8vLYF?gid=200 9052619)
Game 5 Cleveland 112 Orlando 102 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Ajs5jz89UMSlGmqxkBubnr28vLYF?gid=200 9052805)
Game 6 Orlando 103 Cleveland 90 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Ak_pbP0mko7s5WqBN541XHy8vLYF?gid=200 9053019)


REGULAR SEASON SERIES
Orlando won series 2-1

Jan 29: at Orlando 99, Cleveland 88
Mar 17: at Cleveland 97 Orlando 93
Apr 3: at Orlando 116 Cleveland 87



http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp109/KHinrich12/Team%20Logos/Cavaliers.png Projected Starting Lineup


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PG - Mo Williams
SG - Delonte West
SF - Lebron James
PF - Anderson Varajeo
C - Zydrunas Ilgauskas





http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp109/KHinrich12/Team%20Logos/Magic.png Projected Starting Lineup

http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/11.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/3445.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/862.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/469.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/2384.jpg


PG - Rafer Alston
SG - Courtney Lee
SF - Hedo Turkoglu
PF - Rashard Lewis
C - Dwight Howard


Who will Win this Eastern Conference Finals?

tr4shb0t
05-17-2009, 11:33 PM
This one stumps me...Magic match up really well against the Cavs.

I think Cavs take it in 7 though using HCA

ManRam
05-17-2009, 11:36 PM
Magic match up extremely well vs. the Cavs...but I think LeBron is just way to much of a force. I don't think any of our SFs can contain him (maybe Pietrus a little bit). He's going to go ballistic. We have the advantage again at the 4 and 5, but that may be it.

I like the Cavs...I'll take them in 6.

Hopefully I'm wrong, like I was about tonight's game ;)

lakers4sho
05-17-2009, 11:54 PM
Magic match up extremely well vs. the Cavs...but I think LeBron is just way to much of a force. I don't think any of our SFs can contain him (maybe Pietrus a little bit). He's going to go ballistic. We have the advantage again at the 4 and 5, but that may be it.

I like the Cavs...I'll take them in 6.

Hopefully I'm wrong, like I was about tonight's game ;)

You don't like your teams chances against the Cavs? :o

superkegger
05-17-2009, 11:55 PM
I'm not sure.

I mean, you'd think you'd have to pick the cavs right?

But they have yet to be tested, and I think the Magic might be able to steal homecourt in game 1 with this long layoff, maybe.

The Magic will have a hard time containing LeBron, as everyone does, but with Dwight in the paint it should help slow his attack to the rim. And if they can make him a jump shooter, it increases their chances.

On the other end, I have no confidence in the Cleveland bigs being able to stop Dwight. I know he's not an "offensive force" but he's so damn athletic that I'm not sure big z or ben wallace can do much to stop him. Even if he's "just a dunker" he should be able to get quite a few of those. Plus, if they double down on him and he can make the pass out, the Magic 3pt shooting can be so ****ing deadly.

I think it should be a great series, and I think the Magic might have the edge in game 1 and be able to steal homecourt, which would be huge. I'm also interested to see how Cleveland will respond when they actually face like, a good opponent, something they haven't seen in the Playoffs yet. Right now I'm totally undecided about who wins this series.

JordansBulls
05-17-2009, 11:57 PM
Not one analyst picked the magic in this series.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/magic-cavaliers

lakerboy
05-17-2009, 11:59 PM
Cavs in 7.

magicbucs4eva
05-17-2009, 11:59 PM
were use to not getting anyone to pick us. we will give lebron a good fight!! i saw we get this game in 6 or 7

ManRam
05-18-2009, 12:01 AM
Not one analyst picked the magic in this series.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/magic-cavaliers

Who cares??? Sir Charles did...and we all know he's the only analyst that knows anything about anything. The rest are all tuuurrible.

Eagles_Guy
05-18-2009, 12:02 AM
The Cavs first test of the playoffs this year.

The will to win is there is Orlando, but it will be no easy task....and that Winning at home record, like really the Cavs only lost 1 at home....that's pretty goddamn impressive.

D12 will have to have a monster series on offense as well as defense..

Cavs in 6.

Angel
05-18-2009, 12:02 AM
I'm picking Cleveland in 5 but I really wouldn't be surprised if the sweep Orlando. The Cavs are going to win the championship and there's absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

Tragedy
05-18-2009, 12:02 AM
Good luck to Cleveland! Really pulling for them here - Not a fan of Orlando whatsoever, and a Lebron/Kobe Finals matchup would be unreal.

superkegger
05-18-2009, 12:03 AM
Not one analyst picked the magic in this series.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/magic-cavaliers

ESPN knows pretty much dick. Using their analysts as a guide pretty much means absolutely nothing in my book.

Angel
05-18-2009, 12:04 AM
I mean the Magic barely beat a team with it's best player injured and it's best bench player injured. They really don't stand a chance against Cleveland. I don't care about matchup problems or anything like that. Lebron is getting his ring this year no matter what.

Chronz
05-18-2009, 12:07 AM
LeBron is a man on a mission, nothing short of a Finals birth will do

Cavs in 6 or 7, Magic are too good of a team

Tragedy
05-18-2009, 12:07 AM
LeBron is a man on a mission, nothing short of a Finals birth will do

Cavs in 6 or 7, Magic are too good of a team
That is one awesome sig.

bahama0811
05-18-2009, 12:08 AM
Cavs in 6. I don't know if it will even last that long though.

tdunk21
05-18-2009, 12:09 AM
cavs in 6 baby

macc
05-18-2009, 12:28 AM
I mean the Magic barely beat a team with it's best player injured and it's best bench player injured. They really don't stand a chance against Cleveland. I don't care about matchup problems or anything like that. Lebron is getting his ring this year no matter what.

I love all the "logic" you use when backing up your predicions. Way to give us some deep insite as to WHY they are going to win so easily.

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 12:29 AM
Not one analyst picked the magic in this series.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/magic-cavaliers

barkely,webber skip bayless has us

Kenny
05-18-2009, 12:30 AM
barkley doesnt like Lebron after he called him a idiot.

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 12:32 AM
Magic match up extremely well vs. the Cavs...but I think LeBron is just way to much of a force. I don't think any of our SFs can contain him (maybe Pietrus a little bit). He's going to go ballistic. We have the advantage again at the 4 and 5, but that may be it.

I like the Cavs...I'll take them in 6.

Hopefully I'm wrong, like I was about tonight's game ;)

your a COWARDsorry excuse of a magic fan,take us off your sig. what possible factor of the cavs do you think they can beat us when we've blown them blown and only victory vs us lebron hit a lucky near half court 3 to beat us. we're better than them in all but one matchup

coward, u pick against your own team every round weirdo

MelkyNYY
05-18-2009, 12:36 AM
LeBron is a man on a mission, nothing short of a Finals birth will do

Cavs in 6 or 7, Magic are too good of a team

Best. Sig. Ever. Goes to You.

MelkyNYY
05-18-2009, 12:41 AM
barkely,webber skip bayless has us

lol Skip Bayless

TriberForLifer
05-18-2009, 12:49 AM
I'm actually surprised at the overwhelming favor for the Cavs - and I'm a Cavs fan. I really do think the Cavs win this series, but I think it goes no less than six, and quite possibly seven.

You have to chalk it up that Howard is going to dominate in his game, but the Cavs' defense can stave off the Magic's shooting moreso IMO than the Celtics did. The Magic will present some problems when they're consistent from the outside, but I don't think the Cavs are going to allow that to happen. LeBron has the right group around him to get this team to the finals.

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 12:55 AM
lol Skip Bayless

lol thats my dude, he is that show

madiaz3
05-18-2009, 12:59 AM
"technical foul" and "ejection" respectively should be added into chronz sig

Eagles_Guy
05-18-2009, 01:10 AM
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Eagles_Guy
05-18-2009, 01:14 AM
"technical foul" and "ejection" respectively should be added into chronz sig

It is true that Jordan would get T'ed Up out the *** in todays NBA where you get a T for literally looking at a guy the wrong way.

But nonetheless, it's a sweet sig

leftymo
05-18-2009, 01:43 AM
The two teams that have fought through adversity and succeeded this far in the playoffs are the Orlando Magic and the LA Lakers...

Denver & Cleveland haven't faced anyone yet, or haven't been challenged yet. Both teams are playing great ball against inferior competition. The other two played superior competition and overcame adversity. I'm trying to figure out which one is more impressive? A close out win without your best player in Philly or a game 7 win on the road against the defending champs.

QUICKTRADE
05-18-2009, 01:45 AM
magic in 7

Lakersfan2483
05-18-2009, 01:49 AM
It should be a tough series, I can see it going 7 games. The Magic matchup very well with Cleveland and they have Howard in the middle. This series is hard to pick a winner, but I am leaning towards Cleveland in 7 games. Homecourt is huge in this series.

Namy
05-18-2009, 02:42 AM
Wow, I can't decide...

I'm leaning towards the Cavs in 7, only because of their amazing home record and King James. With that said, Orlando is a great road team and they just match up really well against the Cavs. They play solid D, and other than LeBron, I feel like every player on the Magic is superior to the Cavs players.

Chronz
05-18-2009, 02:55 AM
Best. Sig. Ever. Goes to You.

I usually just take the sig talk in stride because Im told so often it seems, but if your going to say best ever then I may as well point out that I got it from some dude at another board and yes it is awesome but series is over, Im taking it down.

BTownTeamsRKing
05-18-2009, 03:15 AM
Good Luck to both teams. remember u guys are fans and altho the players feel like family, just enjoy the good times and forget the insults.

my prediction: Magic 6. Rashard Lewis is a match up nightmare.

jskeet23
05-18-2009, 04:09 AM
magic aint going to lose to the cavs won at home because the refs callin a 3 second in the key on howard at the end of the game thats why when they played them in orlando they blew them out lebron couldnt beat the magic when they sucked 2 years ago last he could either 5 for 27 from the field watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIieutzcdTY

JayW_1023
05-18-2009, 05:21 AM
Cleveland in six.

The Cavs have exactly the kind of weapons to really make it tough on Orlando. Big Z in particular will be crucial for Cleveland, if he hits those S/R J's Howard will have no choice but to step out of the paint...something he hates to do. It will open up the lane for LeBron. Plus, more importantly...who is going to stop him...Mickael Pietrus is the only guy who has a chance of slowing him, but it won't happen. Meanwhile, Rafer Alston can't sag off Mo Williams like he can against Rondo...because Mo Williams is a deadly shooter.

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 07:35 AM
Cleveland in six.

The Cavs have exactly the kind of weapons to really make it tough on Orlando. Big Z in particular will be crucial for Cleveland, if he hits those S/R J's Howard will have no choice but to step out of the paint...something he hates to do. It will open up the lane for LeBron. Plus, more importantly...who is going to stop him...Mickael Pietrus is the only guy who has a chance of slowing him, but it won't happen. Meanwhile, Rafer Alston can't sag off Mo Williams like he can against Rondo...because Mo Williams is a deadly shooter.

your just all over the place and dreaming, never seen cleveland n magic play. pietrus is nowhere near bron nor does dwight waste time guarding big z. you new cavs groupies gotta realize your cavs are outmanned. they have no one to guard alston,lee,pietrus,turk,shard.aj and dwight. lebron is an extremely overrated defender whi's gonna have to guard turk and leaving the hilarious matchup of varejao on shard

Saint Brian
05-18-2009, 07:48 AM
Good match up but it's hard to pick against LBJ. I'll take the Cavs in 7.

J-Relo
05-18-2009, 08:24 AM
wait wait wait.....

after Detroit, somehow Hawks were contenders to beat Cavs, and after very very long series Cavs won, now Orlando is that great team and even that better?

they struggled against C'! won only in 7 games, so okay they match-up great, but no-way you can call Lewis the reason for winning saying that he's match-up nightmare as you have LEBRON on the other team... They have great shooters, but so do Cavs, but Cavs have an edge here, simply cause those shooters can play defence, Orlando - not really... if Orlando is lights out from the 3 they may win one or two games...

I take Cavs in 6.

todu82
05-18-2009, 09:06 AM
Cleveland in 6.

AirJordan23
05-18-2009, 09:34 AM
Orlando is a tough match up for Cleveland. First of all, LeBron tends to struggle a bit (by struggle I mean not perform at the level he usually does) against teams that have great interior defenders that alter and block shots. Howard's probably the best in the league at that. That's why LeBron tends to not do well against Orlando or LA, for instance. Not a knock on him, he still does better than most of the league but not at his OWN level. He tends to settle for pull-up Js, something he isn't great at, he won't attack the rim as much as he did agaisnt the Hawks or Detroit.

Big Z or Wallace would also struggle against Howard because he is much more athletic, bigger and stronger. Howard would just muscle his way to the rim. If they force a double, Howard would just send it to the open man for the trey. Magic need to hit their 3 pointers to have any success in this series. Cleveland would be forced to change their defensive schemes and chase shooters all around the perimeter. 3 point shooting might be a problem for the Cavs.

Orlando has to be pretty confident coming into the series since they just won a game 7 on the road against the defending champs. But, the thing that might hurt them is experience. They don't have anyone from their core who has any sort of experience at the big stage other than Hedo who went the WCF but not in a role as big as this one. Bench production is probably the same. Both benches are somewhat inconsistent.

I'd take the Cavs in 7, just see them closing it out at home.

leftymo
05-18-2009, 10:16 AM
Cleveland wasn't very impressive against the elite teams... Most are picking cleveland to win, but Orlando will be tough to beat.


Of the remaining four teams left in the playoffs. This team had the best record against the other three teams. They went 5-2. It was the Orlando Magic.

The worst team head to head obviously is denver going 2-6 against LA/Cle/Orlando.

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 11:03 AM
I think the Cavs will have their hands full with the Magic, but let's stop citing regular season games where stuff like back to backs and injuries came into play. These are the playoffs, a stomping ground for Cleveland for the past 4 years. They know what's up.

JordansBulls
05-18-2009, 11:13 AM
I just can't believe not one analyst picked Orlando to win.

levignjw
05-18-2009, 11:31 AM
Magic in 7.

macc
05-18-2009, 11:33 AM
cmstophe- Ofcourse you can use regular season games as examples, just because it's the regular season doesn't mean they don't mean anything. When elite teams face each other during the regular season they get hyped just as much as a playoff game so your intensity level is there.

To be honest, I'm seeing people believe the clear underdog here is the Magic, why, I don't know. As stated above me the Magic present many mismatches for the Cavs.

In the last 2 games the Magic played Cavs, LBJ shot 17-47, that's 36%, in the last game they played noone on the Cavs scored more than 10 pts. The Cavs have an athletic offensive freak in LBJ, but the Magic have a athletic defensive freak in Dwight Howard. Lebron doesn't drive that much against the Magic because when he does he normally gets swatted by Dwight. This makes LBJ into a jump shooter which we all know isn't it fortey but yet that's what he has to rely on, hense the reason his fg% against the Magic is so bad.

The Cavs avg 90.67 pts/game against the Magic. The Magic avg 102.67 pts/game against the Cavs. These aren't fluke numbers, the Magic are simply a better team than the Cavs. Hense the reason we've won 8 of 11 and by 29 pts in our last victory against a fully healthy Cavs squad and w/ a Magic team w/o Nelson.

People can keep picking the Cavs and that's fine. People were picking were saying Philly was gonna beat us when they went up 2-1 in our series, people were also saying Boston was gonna beat us as well. So I'll just sit back and watch basketball.

macc
05-18-2009, 11:39 AM
I just can't believe not one analyst picked Orlando to win.


They are on the Lebron band wagon as well that's why, actually sir Charles picked the Magic. With that being said an analyst's opinion is just that. An OPINION, just like yours and mine. It means no more or less than ours because we watch every game just like they do so they really don't have any edge as far as calling a series. They are wrong everyday about their predictions. Not many people picked the Magic in game 7 in Boston, but hey, Orlando won by 19 pts in Boston. Noone knows for sure what will happen, they just buy into the Hype.

I love Lebron but I simply think he needs one more guy to help him out before he starts winning championships. Mo Williams to me just isn't going to get it done. But thats just my opinion.

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 11:41 AM
cmstophe- Ofcourse you can use regular season games as examples, just because it's the regular season doesn't mean they don't mean anything. When elite teams face each other during the regular season they get hyped just as much as a playoff game so your intensity level is there.

To be honest, I'm seeing people believe the clear underdog here is the Magic, why, I don't know. As stated above me the Magic present many mismatches for the Cavs.

In the last 2 games the Magic played Cavs, LBJ shot 17-47, that's 36%, in the last game they played noone on the Cavs scored more than 10 pts. The Cavs have an athletic offensive freak in LBJ, but the Magic have a athletic defensive freak in Dwight Howard. Lebron doesn't drive that much against the Magic because when he does he normally gets swatted by Dwight. This makes LBJ into a jump shooter which we all know isn't it fortey but yet that's what he has to rely on, hense the reason his fg% against the Magic is so bad.

The Cavs avg 90.67 pts/game against the Magic. The Magic avg 102.67 pts/game against the Cavs. These aren't fluke numbers, the Magic are simply a better team than the Cavs. Hense the reason we've won 8 of 11 and by 29 pts in our last victory against a fully healthy Cavs squad and w/ a Magic team w/o Nelson.

People can keep picking the Cavs and that's fine. People were picking were saying Philly was gonna beat us when they went up 2-1 in our series, people were also saying Boston was gonna beat us as well. So I'll just sit back and watch basketball.

Basketball isn't just about match ups. It's about basketball IQ, determination, and will. The Cavaliers have more experience, they have the MVP, and they have a 100% healthy team, and of course home court.

The Magic are underdogs for a reason. If LeBron is as good as people say he is, he can will his team to victory and a few match up problems won't be a huge deal.

ManRam
05-18-2009, 11:41 AM
I'll look it up...but ESPN analysts are correct on their prediction no greater than 50% of the time. Like macc said, it's an opinion, and it means nothing. There's a reason why the games are played...otherwise the Finals would be set already.

macc
05-18-2009, 12:13 PM
Basketball isn't just about match ups. It's about basketball IQ, determination, and will. The Cavaliers have more experience, they have the MVP, and they have a 100% healthy team, and of course home court.

The Magic are underdogs for a reason. If LeBron is as good as people say he is, he can will his team to victory and a few match up problems won't be a huge deal.



But you're not backing up your prediction with anything. Nor is anyone else when they pick Cav's over the Magic. Yes they have the MVP, D12 was in the same conversation and even finished 4th in voting for the MVP as well. In the last 2 years the Cav's have been out matched and out played by the Magic.

Just saying things like Lebron is going to "will" his team to victory is pretty much pointless. Yes we all know Lebron is going to get his points, wheather he has to shoot the ball 15 times or 35 times he'll get them, but then who else?? Lets say Lebron avg's 35 pts a game and Mo has a really good series and avg's 25 a game, that's 60 pts. Who else is going to score for you guys against our #2 defense in the league? That's why you guys only avg like 90 pts against us. But we'll see what happens on Wed. Maybe then people will be like, wow, maybe we should pay attention to stats afterall.


On a side note. The ONE time the Cavs did beat the Magic this season was when they were in Clevland, Orlando was up by 7 in the 4th, Cavs came back and took the lead late. The Magic had the ball w/ like 22 sec left and down by 3, then the refs call a offensive 3 sec violation on the Magic. A call they didn't call the entire game. That pretty much sealied it for the Cavs after that. My point in saying this is the Cavs never beat the Magic convincingly this year, unlike the Magics 29 pt victory in their last meeting against a fully healthy Cav's team. Savy

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 12:34 PM
But you're not backing up your prediction with anything. Nor is anyone else when they pick Cav's over the Magic. Yes they have the MVP, D12 was in the same conversation and even finished 4th in voting for the MVP as well. In the last 2 years the Cav's have been out matched and out played by the Magic.

Just saying things like Lebron is going to "will" his team to victory is pretty much pointless. Yes we all know Lebron is going to get his points, wheather he has to shoot the ball 15 times or 35 times he'll get them, but then who else?? Lets say Lebron avg's 35 pts a game and Mo has a really good series and avg's 25 a game, that's 60 pts. Who else is going to score for you guys against our #2 defense in the league? That's why you guys only avg like 90 pts against us. But we'll see what happens on Wed. Maybe then people will be like, wow, maybe we should pay attention to stats afterall.


On a side note. The ONE time the Cavs did beat the Magic this season was when they were in Clevland, Orlando was up by 7 in the 4th, Cavs came back and took the lead late. The Magic had the ball w/ like 22 sec left and down by 3, then the refs call a offensive 3 sec violation on the Magic. A call they didn't call the entire game. That pretty much sealied it for the Cavs after that. My point in saying this is the Cavs never beat the Magic convincingly this year, unlike the Magics 29 pt victory in their last meeting against a fully healthy Cav's team. Savy

What prediction?

My prediction that the "Cavs will have their hands full"? Because that's all I predicted. If the Cavs lose, they do not deserve to be in the Finals anyway. If they are the team I and everyone else thinks they are, they will eb too much for the Magic, so I have nothing to predict.

Sorry, I throw regular season crap out once the postseason starts. The Lakers-Rockets series is proof of that. It's a totally new ball game. You can ride your 30 point victories all the way because if you lose the series, you will be wondering, "Buh buh...we beat them in the regular season! What happened?"

Kind of like the Cavs in 2007, wondering how they got swept in the Finals after sweeping the Spurs in the regular season.

It's going to be a fun series, I think. The Magic will try to make it rain from 3 pt land and if they go cold, God help them, because nobody else will. If they get hot 4 out of 7 games, the Cavs could be in trouble.

As far as actual predictions, I will say what I already said: the Cavs will have their hands full. Oh, and Turkeyglue won't have a myriad of wide open 3 pointers to take, either. The Cavs are well-rested and healthy, unlike the Celtics that took Orlando to 7.

This series will be easy for neither team.

edit: btw, please stop making excuses and describing scenarios about how Cleveland won a close game at the Q against the Magic. Orlando is not the only team to play the Cavs close at the Q and still lose, and they certainly wont be the last. Really. Nobody is impressed by a loss.

The Hawks fans chirped about how one of their losses to Cleveland was a close game and a "bad call" (it's always a bad call if it doesn't help your team, right?) and that didn't help them not get swept by double digits 4 games in a row.

Please, save it.

J-Relo
05-18-2009, 12:39 PM
But you're not backing up your prediction with anything. Nor is anyone else when they pick Cav's over the Magic. Yes they have the MVP, D12 was in the same conversation and even finished 4th in voting for the MVP as well. In the last 2 years the Cav's have been out matched and out played by the Magic.

Just saying things like Lebron is going to "will" his team to victory is pretty much pointless. Yes we all know Lebron is going to get his points, wheather he has to shoot the ball 15 times or 35 times he'll get them, but then who else?? Lets say Lebron avg's 35 pts a game and Mo has a really good series and avg's 25 a game, that's 60 pts. Who else is going to score for you guys against our #2 defense in the league? That's why you guys only avg like 90 pts against us. But we'll see what happens on Wed. Maybe then people will be like, wow, maybe we should pay attention to stats afterall.


On a side note. The ONE time the Cavs did beat the Magic this season was when they were in Clevland, Orlando was up by 7 in the 4th, Cavs came back and took the lead late. The Magic had the ball w/ like 22 sec left and down by 3, then the refs call a offensive 3 sec violation on the Magic. A call they didn't call the entire game. That pretty much sealied it for the Cavs after that. My point in saying this is the Cavs never beat the Magic convincingly this year, unlike the Magics 29 pt victory in their last meeting against a fully healthy Cav's team. Savy

you are just putting 3 games for example and one of them Cavs won... so 2-1... and you made a good point...

however those are 3 games, and there is no huge point taking last year games, so 3 games that you are puting all series on?

i mean why you don't consider that Magic's just got away from Philly and C's (7 games against struggling defending champs w/o KG?)... yes you named those games, however you named only the bright side of them ("we won", "19pts against Celtics")... if Orlando is so good (and i believe they are good) why they didn't sweep Philly, why they could win against C' in less than 7 games? great match-ups for Orlando - not really... so why?

PS: as far as i know victory is victory, no matter is it by 5 or 20 points...

OrLMaGiK1
05-18-2009, 12:41 PM
OMG all of you guys who actually believe cleveland will win in 4 or 5 games are out of your minds! There is no way the cavs will sweep us. We are a great road team and we will get 1 or 2 on the road. Everyone is all about Lebron because he is on every freaking commercial and he's such a household name that they automatically think no has a chance. HE IS NO JORDAN and he has NO PIPPEN or Grant anyone of that caliber. Magic in 6 or 7 regardless it will be Magic and Lakers in the Finals

what54!?
05-18-2009, 12:42 PM
cavs in 6

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 12:46 PM
i love how everyone saying mo and delnte can play D, them dudes gon get killed, this aint gon be mike bibby and stuckey

macc
05-18-2009, 12:48 PM
What prediction?

My prediction that the "Cavs will have their hands full"? Because that's all I predicted. If the Cavs lose, they do not deserve to be in the Finals anyway. If they are the team I and everyone else thinks they are, they will eb too much for the Magic, so I have nothing to predict.

Sorry, I throw regular season crap out once the postseason starts. The Lakers-Rockets series is proof of that. It's a totally new ball game. You can ride your 30 point victories all the way because if you lose the series, you will be wondering, "Buh buh...we beat them in the regular season! What happened?"

Kind of like the Cavs in 2007, wondering how they got swept in the Finals after sweeping the Spurs in the regular season.

It's going to be a fun series, I think. The Magic will try to make it rain from 3 pt land and if they go cold, God help them, because nobody else will. If they get hot 4 out of 7 games, the Cavs could be in trouble.

As far as actual predictions, I will say what I already said: the Cavs will have their hands full. Oh, and Turkeyglue won't have a myriad of wide open 3 pointers to take, either. The Cavs are well-rested and healthy, unlike the Celtics that took Orlando to 7.

This series will be easy for neither team.

edit: btw, please stop making excuses and describing scenarios about how Cleveland won a close game at the Q against the Magic. Orlando is not the only team to play the Cavs close at the Q and still lose, and they certainly wont be the last. Really. Nobody is impressed by a loss.

The Hawks fans chirped about how one of their losses to Cleveland was a close game and a "bad call" (it's always a bad call if it doesn't help your team, right?) and that didn't help them not get swept by double digits 4 games in a row.

Please, save it.



No I understand where you're coming from. I was just saying people pick Cav's but don't really have a reason to other than all the hype that LBJ is going to "will" his team to victory, granted it won't be easy for either team and should be a fun series to watch. Also I never use Refs as an excuse for my team losing. I just brought up that point not just to point out that's the only reason they won, but to show they never beat Orlando "convincingly"

In any case, can't wait till Wed.

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 12:49 PM
OMG all of you guys who actually believe cleveland will win in 4 or 5 games are out of your minds! There is no way the cavs will sweep us. We are a great road team and we will get 1 or 2 on the road. Everyone is all about Lebron because he is on every freaking commercial and he's such a household name that they automatically think no has a chance. HE IS NO JORDAN and he has NO PIPPEN or Grant anyone of that caliber. Magic in 6 or 7 regardless it will be Magic and Lakers in the Finals

No offense but you arent winning 2 games @ the Q.

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 12:50 PM
i love how everyone saying mo and delnte can play D, them dudes gon get killed, this aint gon be mike bibby and stuckey

Delonte can, and will, play D and will be a big factor in the series. Book it.

what54!?
05-18-2009, 12:51 PM
No offense but you arent winning 2 games @ the Q.never know man. Its the playoffs and the magic are a much tougher test than the hawks or pistons. If the magic can win in on the C's hom cour, they can win in the Q

ManRam
05-18-2009, 12:57 PM
i love how everyone saying mo and delnte can play D, them dudes gon get killed, this aint gon be mike bibby and stuckey

Delonte is a premiere defender. Mo is above average...

They wont get killed...not by Rafer Alson, Anthony Johnson, JJ Redick and Courtney Lee. Face it, our guards are far from elite.

The reason I'm worried about this series has nothing to do with match ups, talent, who has the better team...or anything. It's the fact that Cleveland is damn near unbeatable at home. They lost there twice in the regular season, and one of those was the last game of the year. In the playoffs, I don't know if anyone can beat them at home...

J-Relo
05-18-2009, 12:58 PM
i love how everyone saying mo and delnte can play D, them dudes gon get killed, this aint gon be mike bibby and stuckey

Mo can step up and West really plays well... also i don't see Magic having better guards than Bibby and/or Stuckey...

of course it will be hard to defend Hedo and Rashard as those guys can go crazy..... plus Howard will make noise in the paint, but if Lebron takes one of them and bigs can take Howard out of the paint as much as possible I don't see incredible problems here... it will be tough...

OrLMaGiK1
05-18-2009, 12:58 PM
We will win game 1 and game 5 in cleveland. Thats my prediction. Lebron will not be attacking the rim as much since Dwight is in there waiting for him. And Dwight has swatted away Lebrons shots before when he's come in the paint. I think playin with him in the olympics and becoming friends with him makes him feel more comfortable and doesnt see Lebron as like this big hyped up dude that is unstoppable. Lebron will try to get his stats and his team involved a lot and the rest of the team doesnt matchup well with us and wont get the same easy shots they got against the hawks and pistons. Just like we shut down Allen and House

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 01:02 PM
never know man. Its the playoffs and the magic are a much tougher test than the hawks or pistons. If the magic can win in on the C's hom cour, they can win in the Q

The Cavs are also a much tougher test than the 76ers and a rag tag Celtics team giving big time minutes to guys like Big Baby Davis.

Both of which won 2 and 3 games, respectively, vs the Magic.

what54!?
05-18-2009, 01:05 PM
The Cavs are also a much tougher test than the 76ers and a rag tag Celtics team giving big time minutes to guys like Big Baby Davis.

Both of which won 2 and 3 games, respectively, vs the Magic.I know I picked the cavs in 6, I'm just saying this one won't be as easy as you think

macc
05-18-2009, 01:05 PM
you are just putting 3 games for example and one of them Cavs won... so 2-1... and you made a good point...

however those are 3 games, and there is no huge point taking last year games, so 3 games that you are puting all series on?

i mean why you don't consider that Magic's just got away from Philly and C's (7 games against struggling defending champs w/o KG?)... yes you named those games, however you named only the bright side of them ("we won", "19pts against Celtics")... if Orlando is so good (and i believe they are good) why they didn't sweep Philly, why they could win against C' in less than 7 games? great match-ups for Orlando - not really... so why?

PS: as far as i know victory is victory, no matter is it by 5 or 20 points...



I see your point. Trust me I'm the first one to jump on my team when they lose or play bad. I'm just poiting out the 19 pt victory because we were on the subject of "experts" predicting outcomes and who has advantages, I was simply stating that the "experts" picked the Boston to win game 7 because they were more experienced and I said that hey, that's great that they picked them but in the end Orlando won by 19pts in Boston going against everything the "experts" said. Now if we were talking about the overall play of the Magic then I would have brought up the fact that they've been letting teams come back from huge deficites all series long and if they can't hold onto a lead then it doesn't matter if they are playing Philly or the Cavs they won't go much farther into the playoffs.



As far as sweeping teams or putting them away early I think it is an ignorant thing to say from a fan (no offense to you) but it's easy for you or I or any other fan for that matter to say, hey Lakers should of swept Houston, or the Magic should have swept Boston but in the end it's not you nor I having to play these games or face a Paul Pierce and Ray Allen an entire series. Sweeps don't happen that often. When it came to Boston, yes they lost Garnett but yet still had 2 HOF on their team and one up and coming if not already all star in Rondo so it's not like we were playing a bad team nor a team that I think we could have swept.

I use the regular season against the Cavs as an example because that's all I have. What else can I use to back up any points I've made against their team?


One more note, just like you said it doesn't matter if it's a 5 pt or a 20 pt victory it's still a victory, I 100% agree with that and say the same thing when it comes to a series, it doesn't matter if it's 4-0 or 4-3 it's still a series vicotry. Boston of last year had 2 7 game series and ended up winning the championship, so in the end, did it really matter how many games it took them to win the first 2 rounds? Absolutely not.

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 01:07 PM
I know I picked the cavs in 6, I'm just saying this one won't be as easy as you think

I know it's just an automatic function during a discussion like this, but again, I never, ever said it was going to be "easy" and I actually went out of my way to say it will not be easy for either team.

Soo....

OrLMaGiK1
05-18-2009, 01:10 PM
The Cavs are also a much tougher test than the 76ers and a rag tag Celtics team giving big time minutes to guys like Big Baby Davis.

Both of which won 2 and 3 games, respectively, vs the Magic.
Yeah but if you were a team in the playoffs would you rather play Detroit and Atlanta or Philly and Boston?? I mean even without KG the Celts are a really good team still and they showed it in the the 2 series. And Detroit is a damaged team without Billups thats why they barely got into the playoffs even though it was a close race for the last 3 spots but nonetheless they were an 8th seeded team and no one ever believes an 8th seeded team can beat a 1st seeded team, history shows it rarely ever happens.

macc
05-18-2009, 01:13 PM
The Cavs may have Lebron but the Magic have Adonyl Foyle.

LBJ < Foyle

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 01:14 PM
Yeah but if you were a team in the playoffs would you rather play Detroit and Atlanta or Philly and Boston?? I mean even without KG the Celts are a really good team still and they showed it in the the 2 series. And Detroit is a damaged team without Billups thats why they barely got into the playoffs even though it was a close race for the last 3 spots but nonetheless they were an 8th seeded team and no one ever believes an 8th seeded team can beat a 1st seeded team, history shows it rarely ever happens.

cavs would have swept any of those teams besides Boston, who they'd take in 5 or 6.

MelkyNYY
05-18-2009, 01:17 PM
The Cavs should win in 4. They might drop Game 1 due to rust.

OrLMaGiK1
05-18-2009, 01:21 PM
cavs would have swept any of those teams besides Boston, who they'd take in 5 or 6.
Magic could have swept Philly. They won 2 games on last second shots. I know a win is a win but we didnt even get a chance to make the next play. Hey and our bench beat them in game 6 very convincingly. And no one ever says how good we are doing without Nelson. He is an All Star that was averaging just as many points as KG was during the season. And he can shut down Rondo. Jameer is a better leader than Rondo is. Mo Wiliams would have never got into the all star game if Nelson never got injured

cmstophe
05-18-2009, 01:29 PM
Magic could have swept Philly. They won 2 games on last second shots. I know a win is a win but we didnt even get a chance to make the next play. Hey and our bench beat them in game 6 very convincingly. And no one ever says how good we are doing without Nelson. He is an All Star that was averaging just as many points as KG was during the season. And he can shut down Rondo. Jameer is a better leader than Rondo is. Mo Wiliams would have never got into the all star game if Nelson never got injured

Let's please not cite All Star Games as evidence, now. Mo Williams' presence gets felt on the court whether he makes an All Star Game or not. I like Jameer Nelson though.

@ the bolded...okay. Last second shots are part of the game. The Magic have certainly not impressed me in close games. They should have swept Philly? They should have beat the Celtics in 5. They didn't. They seem to panic like their coach down the stretch if it's close. The good thing for them is the fact that they rely on 3 pt shots to bury opponents and then the game isn't close at all. That's also a bad thing. What if they arent hitting those shots? Again, a lot of those will be contested unlike against the Celtics.

macc
05-18-2009, 01:40 PM
Let's please not cite All Star Games as evidence, now. Mo Williams' presence gets felt on the court whether he makes an All Star Game or not. I like Jameer Nelson though.

@ the bolded...okay. Last second shots are part of the game. The Magic have certainly not impressed me in close games. They should have swept Philly? They should have beat the Celtics in 5. They didn't. They seem to panic like their coach down the stretch if it's close. The good thing for them is the fact that they rely on 3 pt shots to bury opponents and then the game isn't close at all. That's also a bad thing. What if they arent hitting those shots? Again, a lot of those will be contested unlike against the Celtics.



What are you basing this on? Because it didn't happen the last 3 times the two teams faced each other. The Magic rarley shoot face up 3's against anyone they face. They have good ball movement, it just comes down to them either making their open shots or missing them. But in either case, 95% of the time, they are open shots. The Magic only have 2 players who actually shoot 3's with hands in their faces and that's Lewis because he's 6'10'' and has a high release and Turk who does this step back fade away that's almost impossible to block. So what makes the Cavs any better at defending our 3 considering noone in the NBA, either playoffs or regular season has been able to do?

OrLMaGiK1
05-18-2009, 01:41 PM
Let's please not cite All Star Games as evidence, now. Mo Williams' presence gets felt on the court whether he makes an All Star Game or not. I like Jameer Nelson though.

@ the bolded...okay. Last second shots are part of the game. The Magic have certainly not impressed me in close games. They should have swept Philly? They should have beat the Celtics in 5. They didn't. They seem to panic like their coach down the stretch if it's close. The good thing for them is the fact that they rely on 3 pt shots to bury opponents and then the game isn't close at all. That's also a bad thing. What if they arent hitting those shots? Again, a lot of those will be contested unlike against the Celtics.
True about Mo Williams, he has made a name for himself and im not talkin bad about him or the Cavs. They have done great this season. I mean come on only 2 losses at home and the best record in the NBA. No one can deny that or take that away from Lebron and the Cavs.

And if the Cavs eliminate Orlando I wont be as upset. Orlando has had an amazing season. I live in Orlando and the buzz is back and its been gone for a long time. Critics have doubted us all season even some of our own fans have too. But its nice to know that on a national level we are recognized. To advance like this on the 20th anniversary is a great accomplishment for this organization. We arent a big time market team but this certainly helps and maybe one day soon we will be considered a big time market. The city is growing and we will have the best state of the at arena in 2010

I love how original and no BS SVG is as a coach he doesnt care what people say and thats how it should be. You have to agree he is a unique coach and turns a lot of heads when he speaks out loud

OrLMaGiK1
05-18-2009, 01:47 PM
The Cavs may have Lebron but the Magic have Adonyl Foyle.

LBJ < Foyle
Dude Adonal Foyle doesnt even play anymore. you should be a little more updated on whats going on.

Thats like me saying come on Magic have Dwight Howard Cavs have Lorenzen Wright

Howards is greater than Wright

what54!?
05-18-2009, 01:49 PM
Dude Adonal Foyle doesnt even play anymore. you should be a little more updated on whats going on.

Thats like me saying come on Magic have Dwight Howard Cavs have Lorenzen Wright

Howards is greater than Wright
it was a joke man

macc
05-18-2009, 01:49 PM
True about Mo Williams, he has made a name for himself and im not talkin bad about him or the Cavs. They have done great this season. I mean come on only 2 losses at home and the best record in the NBA. No one can deny that or take that away from Lebron and the Cavs.

And if the Cavs eliminate Orlando I wont be as upset. Orlando has had an amazing season. I live in Orlando and the buzz is back and its been gone for a long time. Critics have doubted us all season even some of our own fans have too. But its nice to know that on a national level we are recognized. To advance like this on the 20th anniversary is a great accomplishment for this organization. We arent a big time market team but this certainly helps and maybe one day soon we will be considered a big time market. The city is growing and we will have the best state of the at arena in 2010

I love how original and no BS SVG is as a coach he doesnt care what people say and thats how it should be. You have to agree he is a unique coach and turns a lot of heads when he speaks out loud



I agree, personally I think Stan got screwed in Miami when he got the Heat far into the playoffs then they kicked him out and put Pat Riley in once they had Shaq w/ Wade secured. Its nice to see, love him or hate him that Stan is getting more respect. I consider even hate a form of respect because if noone is hating you then you're not even worth talking about.


The same goes for the Cavs. 5 years ago who hated on them? Noone because they didn't even matter, now that they matter you have all sorts of LBJ/Clevland haters out there. Its like look at the Bucks (no offense to Bucks fans) but noone hates on them because they aren't relevant. Just the way of the sports world I guess.

macc
05-18-2009, 01:51 PM
Dude Adonal Foyle doesnt even play anymore. you should be a little more updated on whats going on.

Thats like me saying come on Magic have Dwight Howard Cavs have Lorenzen Wright

Howards is greater than Wright


I better be more obvious when I make a joke. Next time I'll add a smiley to it so you know that I'm not being serious.

OrLMaGiK1
05-18-2009, 01:52 PM
I better be more obvious when I make a joke. Next time I'll add a smiley to it so you know that I'm not being serious.
my bad didnt mean to come off like a dick

macc
05-18-2009, 01:54 PM
my bad didnt mean to come off like a dick



It's cool man, no biggie.

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 02:15 PM
man ok we lost twice to philly,3times to boston and? of all our playoff loses we only got beaten by the other team one damn time the other losses was us blowing big leads. im more worried about us losing then the cavs beating us. like theres no doubt in my mind we will advance long as the REFS call the game fair ,and actually call a foul on lebron and his traveling

macc
05-18-2009, 02:19 PM
oops delete this post

TheChosenOne88
05-18-2009, 02:37 PM
i love how everyone saying mo and delnte can play D, them dudes gon get killed, this aint gon be mike bibby and stuckey

This is the most ignorant post I have read in awhile. Please do not compare Mo Williams and Delonte West to Skip to my Lou and JJ Redick (or Courtney Lee). Without Jameer Nelson, the Cavs backcourt is better than the Magic.

Orlando rest up because you've got 2 days before you face a HUNGRY and well rested Cleveland Cavaliers team and also the most dangerous player in the NBA. Cavs in 7. No Excuses.

marlinsfan24
05-18-2009, 03:01 PM
The "experience" factor means **** to me.

I take the Magic is 6, but if the series goes 7, Cleveland will take it.

I'm picking Orlando cuz their more prepared for this series as they've had 2 harder opponents and Lebron struggles vs the Magic.

Dwight Howard will have to have a monster series for this to happen

cle12152433
05-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Cavs babyyyy

bostncelts34
05-18-2009, 04:00 PM
i picked Cavs in 5. Lebron is on a mission, and im pretty certain hes gonna complete it.

drobe86
05-18-2009, 04:00 PM
You guys are crazy! I'm looking for the king to win in 5 games tops. Cleveland is unbelievable. They have the best player to ever play this game!!! HAIL TO THE KING!! LEBRON JAMES

tr4shb0t
05-18-2009, 04:03 PM
It will be interesting to see if the refs let up on the weak superstar calls for Lebron now that it's the conference finals.

Fool
05-18-2009, 04:10 PM
Good luck to the Magic. Hopefully they can pull it off. I doubt it (highly, no offense), but I'll be going for you guys.

Cavs in...6 or 7.

Hawkeye15
05-18-2009, 04:37 PM
Cavs in 5

yanksknicksgmen
05-18-2009, 05:01 PM
cavs in 6

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 05:01 PM
Delonte is a premiere defender. Mo is above average...

They wont get killed...not by Rafer Alson, Anthony Johnson, JJ Redick and Courtney Lee. Face it, our guards are far from elite.

The reason I'm worried about this series has nothing to do with match ups, talent, who has the better team...or anything. It's the fact that Cleveland is damn near unbeatable at home. They lost there twice in the regular season, and one of those was the last game of the year. In the playoffs, I don't know if anyone can beat them at home...


and the cleveland guards are? theyre elite your saying? remember while everyone is on mo's jock because he's an allstar this yr WHEN HE ONLY MADE IT CAUSE OUR GUY WENT DOWN(plus bosh)

i must of missed when delonte west became this great defender, we'll see if he can handle Lee,Redick,Pietrus etc, then at times turk gon be at the 2. like we too deep for cleveland and it will be shown. i keep hearing about cleveland's #1 D like ours suck. We're 3rd in D who's gon stop us.

ps manram you are a coward sellout magic fan. SPINELESS your the type you dont cheer for your team but wanna celebrate with the actual "FANS" when the team wins. you disgust me

JayW_1023
05-18-2009, 05:06 PM
Delonte is a great all round player. He is kind of a pint sized Tayshaun Prince.

macc
05-18-2009, 05:09 PM
This might be a little off topic. Outside the fact that I'm rooting for the Magic, I just don't see Clevland winning it all like most people (bandwagon or not) predict. I just look at past championship teams.


Jordan had Pippen, Kobe had Shaq, Wade had Shaq, Duncan had Parker and Ginobli, Detroit had Wallace, Billups, Rip & Prince. Garnett had Pierce and Allen, Lebron has Mo Williams???? See my point?

I love Lebron, wish we had him on the Magic but I seriously think he needs one more player before he starts winning multiple championships.

JayW_1023
05-18-2009, 05:14 PM
To those who assume LeBron won't attack the rim with Dwight guarding the post, think again. If Big Z hits those open S/R J's Howard will have no choice but to step out and guard the perimeter...and that will open up the lane for LeBron.

Look for Big Z to have alot of open J's, simply because often Howard is too stubborn to step out of the low post on defense.

macc
05-18-2009, 05:20 PM
To those who assume LeBron won't attack the rim with Dwight guarding the post, think again. If Big Z hits those open S/R J's Howard will have no choice but to step out and guard the perimeter...and that will open up the lane for LeBron.

Look for Big Z to have alot of open J's, simply because often Howard is too stubborn to step out of the low post on defense.



Ya Howard rarely comes out of the paint. Normally Lewis will switch with him and guard the peremeter. In the past couple games Lebron is 17-47 from the field against the Magic. He simply doesn't like to drive on Howard if he's standing there.

celticfan
05-18-2009, 05:28 PM
I am a celticfan and I hated that the magic beat us, but I think they have a better shot at beating the cavs than we do. Great matchup.

Got to go with the Magic in 7.

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 05:35 PM
Delonte is a great all round player. He is kind of a pint sized Tayshaun Prince.

great is such an overused word,why cant he be decent? great? jordan was the greatest, so delonte is close behind?

JayW_1023
05-18-2009, 05:35 PM
Ya Howard rarely comes out of the paint. Normally Lewis will switch with him and guard the peremeter. In the past couple games Lebron is 17-47 from the field against the Magic. He simply doesn't like to drive on Howard if he's standing there.

Well if Big Z keeps raining down 16 foot J's he won't have much choice. And if Joe Smith is on the floor...the Magics frontcourt have two deadly jump shooting bigs to worry about.

macc
05-18-2009, 05:44 PM
Well if Big Z keeps raining down 16 foot J's he won't have much choice. And if Joe Smith is on the floor...the Magics frontcourt have two deadly jump shooting bigs to worry about.



Well that's my point, Howard doesn't leave the lane, Lewis or Battie, whoevers in the game jumps out to guard the peremeter. Z doesn't have big games against us anyways, he's normally to tired from fighting to get rebounds with Howard the entire game. In any case, can't wait till Wed.





Edit: Game 1, Big Z 3-10 8 pts 11 rebounds
Game 2 - 5-12 10 pt 7 rebounds

Didn't play in one game.

ManRam
05-18-2009, 05:45 PM
great is such an overused word,why cant he be decent? great? jordan was the greatest, so delonte is close behind?

He's not decent. He's not great...but he's better than any SG the Magic have. He is a great shooter. He is a way above average defender. He flies under the radar, but he's a guy every team and every player wants on their team.

The Celtics have the much better back court. You can't argue that.

Master Mind
05-18-2009, 06:03 PM
man ok we lost twice to philly,3times to boston and? of all our playoff loses we only got beaten by the other team one damn time the other losses was us blowing big leads. im more worried about us losing then the cavs beating us. like theres no doubt in my mind we will advance long as the REFS call the game fair ,and actually call a foul on lebron and his traveling

I agree The Magics beat themselves in those losses...No team manhandled them, they are capable of manhandling the Cavs like they did that last regular season game when they won by 29 I believe...

macc
05-18-2009, 06:09 PM
He's not decent. He's not great...but he's better than any SG the Magic have. He is a great shooter. He is a way above average defender. He flies under the radar, but he's a guy every team and every player wants on their team.

The Celtics have the much better back court. You can't argue that.



You would rather have West then Lee?

Master Mind
05-18-2009, 06:10 PM
Well if Big Z keeps raining down 16 foot J's he won't have much choice. And if Joe Smith is on the floor...the Magics frontcourt have two deadly jump shooting bigs to worry about.

I rather take my chances with them shooting than leaving the lane open for Lebron...I'm sure one of the main strategies for the Magic will be to clog the lanes...I can live with Big Z and Joe Smith shooting 16 foot J's, what I can't live with is Lebron getting easy dunks and sucking up the momentum....And remember long shots often lead to fast breaks and Big Z won't be able to keep up with D-Howard...

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 06:42 PM
You would rather have West then Lee?

of course he would he roots against his own team

ManRam
05-18-2009, 06:53 PM
You would rather have West then Lee?

This year? Yes. Next year, and the years after...no.

macc
05-18-2009, 06:55 PM
of course he would he roots against his own team



Well he's not really rooting against his own team, he's just not picking his team to win. So there is a difference there and that's fine. Agree or disagree everyone has the right to their own opinion. If Boston would of had Garnett I would of picked them to beat us. Ya know.

*Superman*
05-18-2009, 06:55 PM
Lets go Magic! Good win yesterday. I think we can take the Cavs. We have to shut down Lebron and limit him to 25pts a game at most. If we can do that l like our chances. Hopefully we can win either game 1 or 2, win 2 at home and then finish them in game 6.

*Superman*
05-18-2009, 06:57 PM
This year? Yes. Next year, and the years after...no.

What up man. Long time since you've been on.

ManRam
05-18-2009, 06:58 PM
of course he would he roots against his own team

I don't root against my own team (except Dwight sometimes because he can do no wrong). Sorry for being objective. I think the Cavs are better. They've lost twice all year at home...and one of those was in overtime where LeBron Z and Mo didn't play, and Delonte and Anderson played less than 20 minutes.

They are unbeatable at home. They are a better team. They have the best player in the game. They're the best defensive team in the league. They're rested. They're more experienced.

I want the Magic to win, and I think they will win a few games, so hopefully I am wrong. We are the second best team in the East. We pose some serious match up problems. But I'm not going to act like the Cavs suck, and we are better then them. Because they don't suck, and we aren't better.

Being a fan doesn't mean you always have to think they'll win and blindly support them. I'll root for them hardcore. I just don't think they're the better team. Nothing wrong with saying that.

ManRam
05-18-2009, 07:00 PM
What up man. Long time since you've been on.

How's it going? Good to see some familiar Magic fan faces. I know, it's been a while. During the school year, between school work, classes, two jobs, shadowing and being a collegiate athlete...I have no time for PSD. But it's summer, so I'll be here a lot.

Go Magic!

*Superman*
05-18-2009, 07:09 PM
How's it going? Good to see some familiar Magic fan faces. I know, it's been a while. During the school year, between school work, classes, two jobs, shadowing and being a collegiate athlete...I have no time for PSD. But it's summer, so I'll be here a lot.

Go Magic!

Been good, in school too man. School ends in like 2 weeks for me!
Reezy got banned tho man, i was bummed out. :(

ManRam
05-18-2009, 07:12 PM
Been good, in school too man. School ends in like 2 weeks for me!
Reezy got banned tho man, i was bummed out. :(

I saw that. bummer. there seems to be some guys who have stepped in though. Good to see a little bit of a following here. I don't have to go elsewhere as much to get my Magic fix in.

*Superman*
05-18-2009, 07:26 PM
Yup, we have gotten more Magic fans now.

IversonIsKrazy
05-18-2009, 07:40 PM
Cavs in 5 or 6. Preferablly 5.

Kakaroach
05-18-2009, 07:50 PM
Cavs in 7. Love Orlando, but the Cavs are too good defensively.

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 08:12 PM
I don't root against my own team (except Dwight sometimes because he can do no wrong). Sorry for being objective. I think the Cavs are better. They've lost twice all year at home...and one of those was in overtime where LeBron Z and Mo didn't play, and Delonte and Anderson played less than 20 minutes.

They are unbeatable at home. They are a better team. They have the best player in the game. They're the best defensive team in the league. They're rested. They're more experienced.

I want the Magic to win, and I think they will win a few games, so hopefully I am wrong. We are the second best team in the East. We pose some serious match up problems. But I'm not going to act like the Cavs suck, and we are better then them. Because they don't suck, and we aren't better.

Being a fan doesn't mean you always have to think they'll win and blindly support them. I'll root for them hardcore. I just don't think they're the better team. Nothing wrong with saying that.

we are better, they lost twice which means they are beatable. especially since we've gotten them nearly 3times, twice combined by 50 combind points. orlando is 3rd in defensive so we're definately not in a position to be doubted. 32-0 was unbeatable before too. coming back down 3-2 as well. west is no one to mention he cant guard pietrus nor lee. mo cant stick alston you crazy. and lee and pietrus can cover all their guards. lebron's D is extremely overrated and turk will show u. if we were going against kg on the tics be different but to doubt your team when they easily handled their opposition shows you fear the hype of a team who beat up on bum teams and your spineless

MagicBucsSox
05-18-2009, 08:14 PM
Well he's not really rooting against his own team, he's just not picking his team to win. So there is a difference there and that's fine. Agree or disagree everyone has the right to their own opinion. If Boston would of had Garnett I would of picked them to beat us. Ya know.

every round he picks against us, only thing im worried about is joe smith off the bench , dwights fouls and the damn refs

DieselPowered32
05-18-2009, 09:34 PM
The Diesel is going to watch the Magic play the Cavs in Orlando..cos he lives in Orlando after the NBA season his taking his 3 boys who idolise Dwight and Lebron.. he said his sittin in the front row. This should be good

ManRam
05-18-2009, 10:13 PM
we are better, they lost twice which means they are beatable. especially since we've gotten them nearly 3times, twice combined by 50 combind points. orlando is 3rd in defensive so we're definately not in a position to be doubted. 32-0 was unbeatable before too. coming back down 3-2 as well. west is no one to mention he cant guard pietrus nor lee. mo cant stick alston you crazy. and lee and pietrus can cover all their guards. lebron's D is extremely overrated and turk will show u. if we were going against kg on the tics be different but to doubt your team when they easily handled their opposition shows you fear the hype of a team who beat up on bum teams and your spineless

We aren't better. They're the best team in the league. To be the best, you have to beat the best.

Only the Lakers have beaten them at home this year with their starters playing. They have home court throughout. They wont lose a series until they lose a game at home. I just don't see them losing at home. I hope I'm wrong, I just think Cleveland is too good. 32-0 is also completely different, it had nothing to do with this year, or the current teams playing. The past means nothing. The Cavs 2 losses at home has everything to do with the Cavs team that presently plays.

I hope you're right. I just don't know.

And I picked the Magic to win the last two series. I picked the Magic to win their first two series last year too, and I was wrong about the 2nd. Yes, I thought the Celtics would win game 7. I was wrong. Thank God. Maybe it's a good thing I pick against us.

I guess I'm spineless because I'm not oblivious to the fact that we are clear under dogs, and that the Cavs are the best. We can win, we could win, but odds are we don't.

And being a fan doesn't mean you always think you're going to win or are the best (only if you're a Laker fan). It just means you support and root for them...through thick and thin.

macc
05-18-2009, 11:11 PM
We aren't better. They're the best team in the league. To be the best, you have to beat the best.

Only the Lakers have beaten them at home this year with their starters playing. They have home court throughout. They wont lose a series until they lose a game at home. I just don't see them losing at home. I hope I'm wrong, I just think Cleveland is too good. 32-0 is also completely different, it had nothing to do with this year, or the current teams playing. The past means nothing. The Cavs 2 losses at home has everything to do with the Cavs team that presently plays.

I hope you're right. I just don't know.

And I picked the Magic to win the last two series. I picked the Magic to win their first two series last year too, and I was wrong about the 2nd. Yes, I thought the Celtics would win game 7. I was wrong. Thank God. Maybe it's a good thing I pick against us.

I guess I'm spineless because I'm not oblivious to the fact that we are clear under dogs, and that the Cavs are the best. We can win, we could win, but odds are we don't.

And being a fan doesn't mean you always think you're going to win or are the best (only if you're a Laker fan). It just means you support and root for them...through thick and thin.



Ok a couple things. As a Magic fan I'm "assuming" you watched the Magic Cavs games this year. So if the answer is yes then I don't see how you can say we are the underdogs if you watched those games.

You just said to be the best you have to beat the best. Are you saying Cleavland is the best? Based on what? Their record alone? Their 2-7 record against the top teams in the NBA? Against Orlandos 7-2 record vs top teams. The Magic are going to win based off a few things

1) Howard is going to limit Lebrons driving ability. In their last 2 games against OrlandoLebron is 17-47 from the field, mainly because he has to settle for jump shots. Missed jumpshots lead to easy transition buckets.

2)Mo Williams is their second leading scorer. I'm sorry but he doesn't scare me. Normally at the end of games we have a big lineup with Lee and MP in instead of Alston, a big body on Mo will def slow him down as well. He's been avg like 11 pts against us this year, so once again doesn't scare me.

3)Lewis once again is a matchup nightmare for Varejao, Lewis will keep him outside the box because he has to defend him which just leaves Big Z and Howard down low, that means alot of offensive rebounds for us.

4)Orlando has a better supporting cast. Cavs have Lebron, Magic have Howard, after that your lineup looks like

Mo Williams, Varejao, Wallace, Big Z against our Lewis, Turk, Alston and MP/Lee/Reddick

My point there is you're going to get alot more buckets from our supporting cast then theres for obvious reasons.


There is a reason why we blow this team out when we play them. Don't by into all the hype of Lebron, I think he's great as well but just doesn't have enough weapons surrounding him.

Lets say Lebron avg 35 pts a game against us and Mo (though he's never done it before) avg 25 pts a game against us, well that's just 60 pts. Who else is going to score on their team? They only avg 90.6 pts a game against us.

I know I'm a Magic fan as well but I don't think this is a homer pic. I just can't get myself to see how the Cavs have an advantage over us? I know they have home court but that only gets them so far. Yes they have great defense but so do we. Hense the ugly wins we had against Boston and Philly when we shot like crap but our defense won it for us.


I will say it now. I "guarantee" the Magic win this series. Either in 6 or 7 games. I want somone to quote me on that because when it's all over you will see I knew what I was talking about. I'm just saying it now because when Orlando starts picking apart Clevlands defense like they've done in every game against them people will finally start jumping on the Magic bandwagon. But I'm just a fan. What do I know.




Trivia Question: In the 2008-2009 NBA season, which NBA team gave the Cavs their worst loss of the season?


















Orlando Magic

ManRam
05-18-2009, 11:33 PM
Great post macc...


Ok a couple things. As a Magic fan I'm "assuming" you watched the Magic Cavs games this year. So if the answer is yes then I don't see how you can say we are the underdogs if you watched those games.

I watched one of the home games, and the away game. They are underdogs because while we did go 2-1 vs. them, and the two wins were convincing, the Cavs are still the best team in the NBA. Look at any betting site, we are the underdogs...no matter how you spin it. If we win, it's an upset.


You just said to be the best you have to beat the best. Are you saying Cleavland is the best? Based on what? Their record alone? Their 2-7 record against the top teams in the NBA? Against Orlandos 7-2 record vs top teams. The Magic are going to win based off a few things.

Yes, based on record. Until they fall, they're the best IMO. The majority of people will agree that they are the best. But, that's why we play playoff games.


1) Howard is going to limit Lebrons driving ability. In their last 2 games against Orlando Lebron is 17-47 from the field, mainly because he has to settle for jump shots. Missed jumpshots lead to easy transition buckets.

Agreed. But he's going to get to the paint vs. Hedo or whoever guards him. He's going to get foul calls. Attacking Dwight can be a bad thing. If he goes at him, he's going to draw fouls. He's LeBron, he'll get the 50/50 calls. But yes, Dwight makes a HUGE difference. LeBron will not struggle now. It's the playoffs. It isn't November.


2)Mo Williams is their second leading scorer. I'm sorry but he doesn't scare me. Normally at the end of games we have a big lineup with Lee and MP in instead of Alston, a big body on Mo will def slow him down as well. He's been avg like 11 pts against us this year, so once again doesn't scare me.

I'm not a Mo fan either. He is an amazing shooter, and extremely fast. I agree with Lee being able to slow him. He's still going to get his though.


3)Lewis once again is a matchup nightmare for Varejao, Lewis will keep him outside the box because he has to defend him which just leaves Big Z and Howard down low, that means alot of offensive rebounds for us.

Agreed. Kind of similar to the Celtics series IMO.


4)Orlando has a better supporting cast. Cavs have Lebron, Magic have Howard, after that your lineup looks like

Mo Williams, Varejao, Wallace, Big Z against our Lewis, Turk, Alston and MP/Lee/Reddick

Offensively, I agree too. We have better firepower after LeBron. But that's after LeBron, the best player in the league. He makes up for it. He's not streaky, we are.



My point there is you're going to get alot more buckets from our supporting cast then theres for obvious reasons.

There is a reason why we blow this team out when we play them. Don't by into all the hype of Lebron, I think he's great as well but just doesn't have enough weapons surrounding him.

Three games isn't a big enough sample size IMO. I'm not convinced we are that much better then they are. The regular season means nothing. I will buy into his hype. It's the playoffs...he's going to go off.


Lets say Lebron avg 35 pts a game against us and Mo (though he's never done it before) avg 25 pts a game against us, well that's just 60 pts. Who else is going to score on their team? They only avg 90.6 pts a game against us.

Two things you are omitting: DEFENSE, and their depth on offense. Yes, after Mo and LeBron, the drop off is huge. But the role players are extremely consistent. They will all show up, and make baskets. They, again, aren't streaky. We, again, are

They aren't deep offensively, but offense doesn't win games. Defense does, and they are the best in the world at defense. While our defense is amazing, it is extremely streaky. In game 7, we hit big shots after every rally the Cs had. What if that doesn't happen? What if we shot 5 for 30 from three in a game? What if Howard gets in foul trouble? What happens if Hedo and Rashard are off? The Cavs don't have these questions. They are consistent.

I think the Cavs win because they wont lost at home. They just haven't...all year. They play four games at home. If they win them all, they're moving on. I think this can easily go 7...but game 7, in Cleveland...I can't pick us quite yet. We aren't there yet.


I know I'm a Magic fan as well but I don't think this is a homer pic. I just can't get myself to see how the Cavs have an advantage over us? I know they have home court but that only gets them so far. Yes they have great defense but so do we. Hense the ugly wins we had against Boston and Philly when we shot like crap but our defense won it for us.


I will say it now. I "guarantee" the Magic win this series. Either in 6 or 7 games. I want somone to quote me on that because when it's all over you will see I knew what I was talking about. I'm just saying it now because when Orlando starts picking apart Clevlands defense like they've done in every game against them people will finally start jumping on the Magic bandwagon. But I'm just a fan. What do I know.

I legitimately understand why you'd pick the Magic. I don't think anyone can call you a homer. On paper, we look so good. Our offense is disgusting. There's isn't. Our defense is great, there's is just a little better.

You make great arguments, but it's not so simple. The Cavs have just steamrolled their way through the playoffs. We have stumbled. The Celtics come from behind wins terrify me. I know it can happen. We do rely on our shooting too much...not as much as people think, but we do. We will go cold. Unlike the Celtics though, the Cavs are too good defensively and have the best player in the world. They will crush us if we go cold.

I want to pick the Magic, and I do think they can win. I just think the Cavs have the it factor. And LeBron will have his. On paper, I like us. But the game is played on the court, not paper.

It's going to be great...I just think we aren't quite there yet.

macc
05-18-2009, 11:42 PM
Great post macc...



I watched one of the home games, and the away game. They are underdogs because while we did go 2-1 vs. them, and the two wins were convincing, the Cavs are still the best team in the NBA. Look at any betting site, we are the underdogs...no matter how you spin it. If we win, it's an upset.



Yes, based on record. Until they fall, they're the best IMO. The majority of people will agree that they are the best. But, that's why we play playoff games.



Agreed. But he's going to get to the paint vs. Hedo or whoever guards him. He's going to get foul calls. Attacking Dwight can be a bad thing. If he goes at him, he's going to draw fouls. He's LeBron, he'll get the 50/50 calls. But yes, Dwight makes a HUGE difference. LeBron will not struggle now. It's the playoffs. It isn't November.



I'm not a Mo fan either. He is an amazing shooter, and extremely fast. I agree with Lee being able to slow him. He's still going to get his though.



Agreed. Kind of similar to the Celtics series IMO.



Offensively, I agree too. We have better firepower after LeBron. But that's after LeBron, the best player in the league. He makes up for it. He's not streaky, we are.




Three games isn't a big enough sample size IMO. I'm not convinced we are that much better then they are. The regular season means nothing. I will buy into his hype. It's the playoffs...he's going to go off.



Two things you are omitting: DEFENSE, and their depth on offense. Yes, after Mo and LeBron, the drop off is huge. But the role players are extremely consistent. They will all show up, and make baskets. They, again, aren't streaky. We, again, are

They aren't deep offensively, but offense doesn't win games. Defense does, and they are the best in the world at defense. While our defense is amazing, it is extremely streaky. In game 7, we hit big shots after every rally the Cs had. What if that doesn't happen? What if we shot 5 for 30 from three in a game? What if Howard gets in foul trouble? What happens if Hedo and Rashard are off? The Cavs don't have these questions. They are consistent.

I think the Cavs win because they wont lost at home. They just haven't...all year. They play four games at home. If they win them all, they're moving on. I think this can easily go 7...but game 7, in Cleveland...I can't pick us quite yet. We aren't there yet.



I legitimately understand why you'd pick the Magic. I don't think anyone can call you a homer. On paper, we look so good. Our offense is disgusting. There's isn't. Our defense is great, there's is just a little better.

You make great arguments, but it's not so simple. The Cavs have just steamrolled their way through the playoffs. We have stumbled. The Celtics come from behind wins terrify me. I know it can happen. We do rely on our shooting too much...not as much as people think, but we do. We will go cold. Unlike the Celtics though, the Cavs are too good defensively and have the best player in the world. They will crush us if we go cold.

I want to pick the Magic, and I do think they can win. I just think the Cavs have the it factor. And LeBron will have his. On paper, I like us. But the game is played on the court, not paper.

It's going to be great...I just think we aren't quite there yet.


Nice rebuttal to my statments

Well I'm sure we agree on one thing, and thats that I'm right and you're wrong about the series. lol.


Hey where are all the Cav's fans anyways? I'm debating my fellow Magic fans, I want a Cavs take on all of this.

ManRam
05-19-2009, 12:00 AM
Nice rebuttal to my statments

Well I'm sure we agree on one thing, and thats that I'm right and you're wrong about the series. lol.


Hey where are all the Cav's fans anyways? I'm debating my fellow Magic fans, I want a Cavs take on all of this.

Dude. You are always right. At least I hope so.

I love to argue, a lot of times just for the sake of arguing. Maybe subconsciously my mind is tricking me into thinking the Cavs will win because there aren't any Cavs fans here to argue with, so I'm resorting to arguing with Magic fans.

I've made it clear who I think will win, for the record. So I'm done acting anti-Magic at all...no more defending the Cavs, or pointing out Magic weaknesses.

cmstophe
05-19-2009, 01:24 AM
I think Cavs fans are just laughing at you guys. ;) We've been here before in the last couple of years, people doubting us and saying we stand no chance in the conference finals, saying we'll be swept, etc...and we had a team that couldn't lick the jock of the team we have this year. This time, Lebron is twice as good, the supporting cast is grittier, more determined, better talent, with better chemistry, we have home court, and the best record in the league. Yet once again people are doubting us (granted, they're Magic fans, and they have to pick their team).

Gonna be a fun series and someone is going to be eating some serious crow. Guaranteeing victories is a double edged sword.

I see no reason to argue with you page after page, with these huge quotation wars. Us Cavs fans will let our team do the talking come Wednesday. Win or lose.

The Cavs are a no excuse team. If we lose, you'll finally get your respect for Orlando. At least from us. Maybe a few of us will even root for you in the Finals. Maybe. But if we win, you're going to hear about it when you talk the way you have.

MagicBucsSox
05-19-2009, 07:22 AM
We aren't better. They're the best team in the league. To be the best, you have to beat the best.

Only the Lakers have beaten them at home this year with their starters playing. They have home court throughout. They wont lose a series until they lose a game at home. I just don't see them losing at home. I hope I'm wrong, I just think Cleveland is too good. 32-0 is also completely different, it had nothing to do with this year, or the current teams playing. The past means nothing. The Cavs 2 losses at home has everything to do with the Cavs team that presently plays.

I hope you're right. I just don't know.

And I picked the Magic to win the last two series. I picked the Magic to win their first two series last year too, and I was wrong about the 2nd. Yes, I thought the Celtics would win game 7. I was wrong. Thank God. Maybe it's a good thing I pick against us.

I guess I'm spineless because I'm not oblivious to the fact that we are clear under dogs, and that the Cavs are the best. We can win, we could win, but odds are we don't.

And being a fan doesn't mean you always think you're going to win or are the best (only if you're a Laker fan). It just means you support and root for them...through thick and thin.

we just did

EX-TREME
05-19-2009, 08:25 AM
i am so pumped up for this game.

jhobbins30
05-19-2009, 09:09 AM
I think this will be a great series. The point im going to make is that on the magic, leBron cant just force his way through the lane and put up some type of crazy lay up or just dunk it. Dwight is too big and strong, best shot blocker i have ever seen play the game.
Magic take this series in 7

ManRam
05-19-2009, 11:11 AM
we just did

They were the champs...not the best.

To be the champs, you have to beat the champs...and the best...and every other team in your way :)

The Cavs>the Celts

rhaas74
05-19-2009, 11:25 AM
I think that this will be a good series. By far the biggest challenge the Cavs have faced all playoffs. However, I just don't see the Magic being able to get by Cleveland. Sure you guys have Howard, who is the best shot blocker in the league. But if I was LeBron, I would take it to him early and get him in foul trouble.

LeBron is one of the quickest guys in the league and will be able to get around whoever is guarding him and take it to the basket. Then from there he can take it directley at Howard. Or when the lane will colapse and he can kick it out to our shooters.

You guys definately have the edge underneath, but we can put some guys on Howard to limit him as much as possible. I don't know how much we will be able to though. Just to let you guys now, Howard is my favorite player outside of the Cavs for the pure fact that he is the type of player we need.

As much as I don't like Big Z staying outisde and taking jumpshots that might be what saves us. Howard will not jump out to guard him, so if Z is on he will have some easy shots. If he is on, then Howard will have to start following him out further, opening up the lane for LeBron.

Also one thing that I think will make this hard for us is your guys' ability to get hot from outside. If you guys are on it will be tough for us to hang in there. I believe in our ability, however, to limit the streaks from happening. We have been holding teams to the lowest 3pt% and FG% in the playoffs and I think it will carry over. On top of that, you will live and die by the 3, so those games your cold we will be able to take over.

I like the odds for us and I think we will in 6, winning 3 at home and stealing one from you on your court. And I have no shame in saying if you guys make it past us I will be cheering you guys on to win it all. Good luck guys, its gonna be a good series.

macc
05-19-2009, 11:32 AM
I think that this will be a good series. By far the biggest challenge the Cavs have faced all playoffs. However, I just don't see the Magic being able to get by Cleveland. Sure you guys have Howard, who is the best shot blocker in the league. But if I was LeBron, I would take it to him early and get him in foul trouble.

LeBron is one of the quickest guys in the league and will be able to get around whoever is guarding him and take it to the basket. Then from there he can take it directley at Howard. Or when the lane will colapse and he can kick it out to our shooters.

You guys definately have the edge underneath, but we can put some guys on Howard to limit him as much as possible. I don't know how much we will be able to though. Just to let you guys now, Howard is my favorite player outside of the Cavs for the pure fact that he is the type of player we need.

As much as I don't like Big Z staying outisde and taking jumpshots that might be what saves us. Howard will not jump out to guard him, so if Z is on he will have some easy shots. If he is on, then Howard will have to start following him out further, opening up the lane for LeBron.

Also one thing that I think will make this hard for us is your guys' ability to get hot from outside. If you guys are on it will be tough for us to hang in there. I believe in our ability, however, to limit the streaks from happening. We have been holding teams to the lowest 3pt% and FG% in the playoffs and I think it will carry over. On top of that, you will live and die by the 3, so those games your cold we will be able to take over.

I like the odds for us and I think we will in 6, winning 3 at home and stealing one from you on your court. And I have no shame in saying if you guys make it past us I will be cheering you guys on to win it all. Good luck guys, its gonna be a good series.



Finally a Cavs fan in here. Good stats. I agree that if Lebron attacks Howard and gets him into foul trouble that could be big problems for us. Then again we have played some of our best basketball when he's on the bench so it's kinda a catch 22. Reguardless we need him in there to slow down Bron as much as possible.

ManRam
05-19-2009, 11:35 AM
You guys definately have the edge underneath, but we can put some guys on Howard to limit him as much as possible. I don't know how much we will be able to though.

I think you made really solid points overall.

One thing about this part though that I haven't thought about. As a Magic fan, one thing that worries me is the Cavs depth, particularly up front. The Celtics really only had three big men in their rotation, and two of them don't really pay BIG. The Cavs have four. Z, Varejao, Smith and Wallace can afford to waste fouls on Dwight, and get him to the line. Dwight averaged 6.5 free throw attempts a game vs. the Celtics. On the season, he shot 10.7 a game.

The depth up front can be a big advantage for the Cavs. Howard will get fouled more, and will have to make his free throws. If he doesn't, it could be bad news. He might not get as many easy looks as he should. They're going to make him earn his points.

rhaas74
05-19-2009, 11:46 AM
I think you made really solid points overall.

One thing about this part though that I haven't thought about. As a Magic fan, one thing that worries me is the Cavs depth, particularly up front. The Celtics really only had three big men in their rotation, and two of them don't really pay BIG. The Cavs have four. Z, Varejao, Smith and Wallace can afford to waste fouls on Dwight, and get him to the line. Dwight averaged 6.5 free throw attempts a game vs. the Celtics. On the season, he shot 10.7 a game.

The depth up front can be a big advantage for the Cavs. Howard will get fouled more, and will have to make his free throws. If he doesn't, it could be bad news. He might not get as many easy looks as he should. They're going to make him earn his points.

I was actually going to bring that up. Our 4 big men each play a big role. We can either go in there trying to make Dwight earn his points, hoping he gets physical in the process and picks up some fouls, or we can try something else. With the ability to switch our big men in and out it really dictates what we want to do. Putting in Wallace and Varejao means we are going defensive and want to really limit Dwight. Putting in Z and Smith puts some scoring big men in who can slip out and knock down jumpers. I think it will be very interesting to see if Dwight gets the ball fed to him or you guys try hitting the 3 ball.

By the way, I'm glad we can actually have a conversation. The other fans haven't exactly been open to having a real conversation with Cavs fans.

king4day
05-19-2009, 12:31 PM
I'd be shocked if the Hawks didn't interfere to cost the Cavs a game, setting up a title match at SummerSlam

leftymo
05-19-2009, 02:11 PM
I think Cleveland takes game 1, but I think Game 2 should be the shocker. Orlando is still emotionally high on the last series to be ready for game 1. But Orlando didn't lose by much in their only visit to Cleveland, and blew them out the other two times in Orlando... Dwight Howard has to be a monster for Orlando to have a shot. Should be a solid series. I'd say a win by Orlando is LESS of an upset than in the other conference (Denver over LA)

Master Mind
05-19-2009, 02:23 PM
I just saw on ESPN a look back on this season of a previous match up of the two and they called a 3 second violation on D-Howard with 10 seconds left in the game...:pity:

rhaas74
05-19-2009, 04:28 PM
I just saw on ESPN a look back on this season of a previous match up of the two and they called a 3 second violation on D-Howard with 10 seconds left in the game...:pity:

So you are saying the rules should be disregarded because it is the last 10 seconds of the game?

Hawkize31
05-19-2009, 05:49 PM
I just saw on ESPN a look back on this season of a previous match up of the two and they called a 3 second violation on D-Howard with 10 seconds left in the game...:pity:

I type in bold because what I have to say is more important than what anyone else says.

cmstophe
05-19-2009, 06:00 PM
I just saw on ESPN a look back on this season of a previous match up of the two and they called a 3 second violation on D-Howard with 10 seconds left in the game...:pity:

So the refs followed the rules? Iiiiiinteresting....

Orlando will be tough to beat if they dont call that on Dwight because he violates it all the time. The Cavs bench and assistants will be SCREAMING to ensure he doesnt get away with it, trust me.

macc
05-19-2009, 06:45 PM
So you are saying the rules should be disregarded because it is the last 10 seconds of the game?



A 3 sec call is fine but it was the ONLY time they called it the entire game, and it just so happened to be with 10 sec left and the Magic down by 3 w/ the ball. 3 sec is one of those calls that you can prob call on every possession. I remember watching the game and they blow the whistle and I'm like really, a violation they didn't call the entire game, this is why Clevland wins at home.....Orlando had just lost a 7 pt lead late in the 4th so that didnt' cost them the game nonetheless but still is annoying to see.

rhaas74
05-19-2009, 07:17 PM
No offense to you Magic fans, that was at the other guy. I just hate it when people say things should be called differently at the end of the game. How does that make sense? You find a rhythym of what the refs are calling, so you know what the gameplan is. If the refs are calling a close game, you take it to the basket more. If they are letting calls go, you tend to stay out and take more jumpshots. So tell me if they are calling a close game all game, is it right to let somebody hack a guy who is driving the lane because there are only 10 seconds left?

rhaas74
05-19-2009, 07:18 PM
I type in bold because what I have to say is more important than what anyone else says.

I think that everytime I see the guy post. It's almost as bad as typing in all caps. He must really need attention.

goku
05-19-2009, 07:43 PM
we are better, they lost twice which means they are beatable. especially since we've gotten them nearly 3times, twice combined by 50 combind points. orlando is 3rd in defensive so we're definately not in a position to be doubted. 32-0 was unbeatable before too. coming back down 3-2 as well. west is no one to mention he cant guard pietrus nor lee. mo cant stick alston you crazy. and lee and pietrus can cover all their guards. lebron's D is extremely overrated and turk will show u. if we were going against kg on the tics be different but to doubt your team when they easily handled their opposition shows you fear the hype of a team who beat up on bum teams and your spineless

cavs will win in 6

throw all those regular season stats out of the window lebron is on a mission he will be playin at a higher level than those other to series and his team will follow orlando is good but they rather shoot 3s than give it to howard but it really dont matter because he only score within 8 feet but should have speed advantage on big z lebron is going to hurt anybody they put on him turk wont be good this series to since he will be chasing lebron around the court
mo is goin to go fed on rafer he cant play off him like rondo
but all it take is lebron to get in a good rythem and take over this series

superkegger
05-20-2009, 02:41 PM
i keep going back and forth on who I think will win. I really think Orlando has a chance in this series. Hedo and/or Shard will have to play simply phenomenal for them to win, and Dwight will have to step it up past his 19/16/2.75 on 60% shooting. But I really think the Magic do have a chance.

magicbucs4eva
05-20-2009, 03:48 PM
i dont see the cavs beating the lakers or nuggets in the finals! the magic are gonna suprise everyone in this series

MagicBucsSox
05-20-2009, 03:50 PM
So you are saying the rules should be disregarded because it is the last 10 seconds of the game?

yea funny cleveland fans believe in rules but not when it comes to lebrons traveling

cmstophe
05-20-2009, 03:51 PM
yea funny cleveland fans believe in rules but not when it comes to lebrons traveling

*remembers the game we lost because lebron was called for traveling*

MagicBucsSox
05-20-2009, 03:52 PM
cavs will win in 6

throw all those regular season stats out of the window lebron is on a mission he will be playin at a higher level than those other to series and his team will follow orlando is good but they rather shoot 3s than give it to howard but it really dont matter because he only score within 8 feet but should have speed advantage on big z lebron is going to hurt anybody they put on him turk wont be good this series to since he will be chasing lebron around the court
mo is goin to go fed on rafer he cant play off him like rondo
but all it take is lebron to get in a good rythem and take over this series


turk aint guarding lebron.shard/lee/and piertus ar. the guys who have Lebron below his averages vs us

MagicBucsSox
05-20-2009, 03:54 PM
*remembers the game we lost because lebron was called for traveling*

no i dont because we've beat'em the cavs by 20+ every go round. may not be 20 tonight but if we steal game 1 its a wrap

magicbucs4eva
05-20-2009, 03:59 PM
everyone acts like hedo is gonna guard him all game so its gonna make turk tired so he wont have offense. we have multiple guys that will guard lebron and then we will have help from dwight. u guys are doubtin the magic just like everyone else. which is cool wit me bc according to everyone were not suppose to be in the ECF

AmerTeam/KB24
05-20-2009, 09:06 PM
this series is gonna b good...

Angel
05-20-2009, 09:28 PM
We should just give the championship ring to the Cavs right now because nobody is going to beat them. They have proved through the playoffs so far that the are by far the most dominant team in basketball. The next few years are going to be the the 90's when the Bulls dominated. These next few years are going to be great if your a Cavs fan but if your not your team doesn't stand a chance. I'm not baiting either because I absolutely hate Lebron James. I'm just stating facts.

MagicBucsSox
05-20-2009, 09:39 PM
THE MOST BIAS AND WORST OFFIACIATED GAME IVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE
this is all i feared. not to mention theyre making evrything

JordansBulls
05-20-2009, 11:33 PM
Just an incredible win for Orlando. I felt they needed to get game 1 to have a shot.

Master Mind
05-20-2009, 11:39 PM
Orlando took their best punch and came out with the victory...Resilience!

Lakersfan2483
05-21-2009, 01:47 AM
Great win by Orlando. Howard was a monster down low. Lewis and Hedo came up huge in the 4th.

Torque
05-21-2009, 02:03 AM
Great win by Orlando. This gave them a lot of confidence.

Kabowdos
05-21-2009, 05:57 AM
It was the Cavs first real game of the playoffs. No one expected it to happen, but it made perfect sense.

JordansBulls
05-21-2009, 10:37 AM
One thing Lebron has to learn is to know when to take over against good teams. It doesn't matter when you take over on bad teams because you will break their spirit whenever, but against good teams those teams are resilent and if your teammates aren't getting shots or many opportunities early it will be hard later on for them to start hitting. It also waste your energy and tires you out at the end.

ManRam
05-21-2009, 10:48 AM
THE MOST BIAS AND WORST OFFIACIATED GAME IVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE
this is all i feared. not to mention theyre making evrything

Haha. Are you serious? Three of the calls on Dwight were questionable. The last one was bad. The first two offensive calls were fouls, it's in the rule book. Yes, they were ticky tacky, but they were fouls. You don't want to see them called, but if it was on the other team, you wouldn't be saying anything.

LeBron didn't draw all the calls either. The Cavs committed 19 fouls. The Magic committed 15. If it was the worst game ever, I think at least the Magic would have been called for more fouls than the other team. I counted, including those 3 mentioned, 5 questionable calls against the Magic, two involved LeBron. Try to watch with a non-bias eye. It wasn't that bad. Cleveland fans have their own fair share of calls to complain about.

I honestly think, besides the 3 point play at the end, the other 5 trips LeBron took to the line were legit calls. I also thought all of his blocks were clean enough to let it go. If Dwight blocked those balls, you would think they were no calls for sure.

Yes, there were questionable calls, but it went both ways.

Don't blame the refs...it's not going to help. It's part of the game. Live with it.

theimortalone
05-21-2009, 10:51 AM
Wow, I am stunned that Cleveland lost at home.

jimbobjarree
05-21-2009, 10:56 AM
We should just give the championship ring to the Cavs right now because nobody is going to beat them. They have proved through the playoffs so far that the are by far the most dominant team in basketball. The next few years are going to be the the 90's when the Bulls dominated. These next few years are going to be great if your a Cavs fan but if your not your team doesn't stand a chance. I'm not baiting either because I absolutely hate Lebron James. I'm just stating facts.

yeeeaaaaahhhhhhhh rigggghhhhhtttttttttttt :eyebrow:

what a win by Orlando, they looked dead and buried at the half, what a comeback!

macc
05-21-2009, 11:07 AM
Haha. Are you serious? Three of the calls on Dwight were questionable. The last one was bad. The first two offensive calls were fouls, it's in the rule book. Yes, they were ticky tacky, but they were fouls. You don't want to see them called, but if it was on the other team, you wouldn't be saying anything.

LeBron didn't draw all the calls either. The Cavs committed 19 fouls. The Magic committed 15. If it was the worst game ever, I think at least the Magic would have been called for more fouls than the other team. I counted, including those 3 mentioned, 5 questionable calls against the Magic, two involved LeBron. Try to watch with a non-bias eye. It wasn't that bad. Cleveland fans have their own fair share of calls to complain about.

I honestly think, besides the 3 point play at the end, the other 5 trips LeBron took to the line were legit calls. I also thought all of his blocks were clean enough to let it go. If Dwight blocked those balls, you would think they were no calls for sure.

Yes, there were questionable calls, but it went both ways.

Don't blame the refs...it's not going to help. It's part of the game. Live with it.


Ya the blocks on Howard, esp the one from Lebron was clean. The reply clearly showed that. The tick tack calls on Howard were kinda lame but what can you do. The first one where he lowered his shoulder into Smith was clearly a foul. The only call I wasn't thrilled about was the call on Howard at the end when James drove into him.

I'm not one to blame the refs or say theres a big "conspiracy" w/ Lebron but some calls make you question that. It's not really the amount of fouls that are called that are the big thing but "when" they are called. For instance it seemed like when the Magic were on a run and would get under 10 pts they would have an offensive foul called on them to give the Cavs the ball. Basically just big momentum calls. But esp that last call that fouled Howard out, I mean he was jumping straight up and down and Lebron jumped into him, that was clearly not a foul, I wouldn't say a charge but a def no call. That could of lost us the game for us right there.


I don't think it's a conspiracy, or at least hope its not but maybe the refs get into the games as much as the fans do. They know what Lebron is gonna do and maybe anticipate it a little bit knowing he's gonna try to draw the foul.

In any case I see what people are saying when it comes to fouls. But then again you could be right and it's all in my head. I'm just glad we got the win reguardless.

JordansBulls
05-21-2009, 11:11 AM
Hopefully Orlando learned it's lesson in the Boston series when they took Game 1 and came out playing like game 2 wasn't important. They need to make sure they try to get game 2 as well. Orlando will probably need to win 2 games in Cleveland to win this series. Hopefully Orlando can pull off the upset since not one analyst even picked them to beat Cleveland. I dislike that and root for the upset always.

ManRam
05-21-2009, 11:13 AM
I'm not one to blame the refs or say theres a big "conspiracy" w/ Lebron but some calls make you question that. It's not really the amount of fouls that are called that are the big thing but "when" they are called. For instance it seemed like when the Magic were on a run and would get under 10 pts they would have an offensive foul called on them to give the Cavs the ball. Basically just big momentum calls. But esp that last call that fouled Howard out, I mean he was jumping straight up and down and Lebron jumped into him, that was clearly not a foul, I wouldn't say a charge but a def no call. That could of lost us the game for us right there.


I don't think it's a conspiracy, or at least hope its not but maybe the refs get into the games as much as the fans do. They know what Lebron is gonna do and maybe anticipate it a little bit knowing he's gonna try to draw the foul.

In any case I see what people are saying when it comes to fouls. But then again you could be right and it's all in my head. I'm just glad we got the win reguardless.

Valid points. Timing can be everything.

There's just nothing I hate more than people whining about refs, and conspiracy theorists. Yes, all the stars get calls. It comes with being a star. They also are the guys who have the ball the most, and make the most plays. That's why they get to the line more.

I just can't believe someone would seriously say that was the worst officiated game he'd ever seen. It wasn't bad at all. If he was a fan of neither team, he might have noticed a few questionable, 50/50 calls, but nothing that bad at all. The Magic had 15 fouls called against them. If the refs were out to get the Magic, the Magic would have had twice that number.

I'll stop. But nothing irks me more than ref-whining.

macc
05-21-2009, 11:32 AM
^^^^^ Ya I agree, I don't like it when people blame wins and loses on the refs when 99.9% of the time that isn't the case. One thing I'm suprised is off how we didn't take advantage of West when they put him on Turk and had Lebron guarding Alston. I was thinking that Alston should go to one side of the court and Iso Turk on West, when Lebron or somone would come help West then Turk could find the open man. In the first quarter it looked like the Magic were getting overwhelmed there for a bit. In the end they went back to playing their style of basketball.

what54!?
05-21-2009, 11:40 AM
The magic impressed me a lot that game. They are an underated defensive team snd have a lot of mental toughness. If their big 3 play like this some more, its gonna be a long series for the cavs.

BTW lebron killed but he needs more help.


The cavs should make adjustments in game 2 though

ManRam
05-21-2009, 12:14 PM
^^^^^ Ya I agree, I don't like it when people blame wins and loses on the refs when 99.9% of the time that isn't the case. One thing I'm suprised is off how we didn't take advantage of West when they put him on Turk and had Lebron guarding Alston. I was thinking that Alston should go to one side of the court and Iso Turk on West, when Lebron or somone would come help West then Turk could find the open man. In the first quarter it looked like the Magic were getting overwhelmed there for a bit. In the end they went back to playing their style of basketball.

Agreed. They did a lot of weird things on defenses..like what you said. I don't think we did enough one on one attacking and isolating. They threw some weird match ups on us, and I think we could have used that to our favor more than we did. I swear at one point they had Varejao guarding our guards.

We need to attack more, like we did in the second half. We're best when we're attacking the hoop, and then kicking it out if needed.

jhobbins30
05-21-2009, 12:15 PM
we should just give the championship ring to the cavs right now because nobody is going to beat them.

107-106

IBleedPurple
05-21-2009, 12:25 PM
Hopefully Orlando learned it's lesson in the Boston series when they took Game 1 and came out playing like game 2 wasn't important. They need to make sure they try to get game 2 as well. Orlando will probably need to win 2 games in Cleveland to win this series. Hopefully Orlando can pull off the upset since not one analyst even picked them to beat Cleveland. I dislike that and root for the upset always.

:clap:

Great win by Orlando. Glad to see that at least so far, both series are highly competitive

cmstophe
05-21-2009, 05:11 PM
107-106

Might as well pack it in and leave for the Summer Cavs and fans, they lost a game in the playoffs after winning 8 straight. Season over. Pack it in. Series over. Orlando grats on the Finals berth.

:rolleyes:

theimortalone
05-21-2009, 05:13 PM
We should just give the championship ring to the Cavs right now because nobody is going to beat them. They have proved through the playoffs so far that the are by far the most dominant team in basketball. The next few years are going to be the the 90's when the Bulls dominated. These next few years are going to be great if your a Cavs fan but if your not your team doesn't stand a chance. I'm not baiting either because I absolutely hate Lebron James. I'm just stating facts.


:ouch: Jynx maybe? :shrug:

Lakersfan2483
05-21-2009, 05:32 PM
We should just give the championship ring to the Cavs right now because nobody is going to beat them. They have proved through the playoffs so far that the are by far the most dominant team in basketball. The next few years are going to be the the 90's when the Bulls dominated. These next few years are going to be great if your a Cavs fan but if your not your team doesn't stand a chance. I'm not baiting either because I absolutely hate Lebron James. I'm just stating facts.

:bang::crazy::laugh2:

Jack Bauers Cuz
05-21-2009, 05:33 PM
Lebrons Not CLutch

*Superman*
05-21-2009, 05:39 PM
Good *** game! I was jumping and running around after i saw Mo miss the potential game winner. Coming from 16 down. I BELIEVE IN MAGIC!

BTW another reason why Kobe is better than LeBronze;)

MagicDojo
05-21-2009, 06:03 PM
What I do not understand is why All of the media and all of the Cleveland fans are 100% sure that Cavs will be able to do something that they haven't yet done. 4-12 against the Magic over last 3 seasons. And everyone is equally certain that Orlando will not be able to do something they have already proven that they can do consistantly over the last 3 years.(12-4 against Cavs).
Is it just because you swept some teams (Det 39-43 Atl 47-39)that were weak, injured, and with no defense?
Is it because LeBron just wants it more than Howard? Its his time....Blah blah etc.
Is there some secret plan the Cavs have been saving for the post season that they will unveil in game 2 or maybe game 3?
The Magic are going to beat you. LeBron is going to leave you. You will fill lake Erie with your tears.

cmstophe
05-21-2009, 06:27 PM
What I do not understand is why All of the media and all of the Cleveland fans are 100% sure that Cavs will be able to do something that they haven't yet done. 4-12 against the Magic over last 3 seasons. And everyone is equally certain that Orlando will not be able to do something they have already proven that they can do consistantly over the last 3 years.(12-4 against Cavs).
Is it just because you swept some teams (Det 39-43 Atl 47-39)that were weak, injured, and with no defense?
Is it because LeBron just wants it more than Howard? Its his time....Blah blah etc.
Is there some secret plan the Cavs have been saving for the post season that they will unveil in game 2 or maybe game 3?
The Magic are going to beat you. LeBron is going to leave you. You will fill lake Erie with your tears.

troll alert.

hopefully the cavs do the league a favor and knock the magic and their fans out of the playoffs and send them back to the beaches, where, according to Mr Bianchi of the orlando sentinel, they will be anyways.

xDjEpYOnx
05-21-2009, 06:51 PM
I just saw on ESPN a look back on this season of a previous match up of the two and they called a 3 second violation on D-Howard with 10 seconds left in the game...:pity:

Its about the quickest three seconds you'll ever see get called, go and count the seconds yourself, I've seen guys pitching tents for 5 or 6 seconds but refs aren't looking in the post to make the call. Whichever ref made this call obviously was paying more attn during the last ten seconds of the game, which sounds good, but i wish it was more consistent.
Anyways, its a bad call in the regular season, lets hope this doesn't repeat as much in the series.

xDjEpYOnx
05-21-2009, 07:00 PM
You find a rhythym of what the refs are calling, so you know what the gameplan is. If the refs are calling a close game, you take it to the basket more. If they are letting calls go, you tend to stay out and take more jumpshots. So tell me if they are calling a close game all game, is it right to let somebody hack a guy who is driving the lane because there are only 10 seconds left?

While I agree with what you're saying, its disappointing that NBA players have to do this every game; if there was consistency with the officiating, a lot of the talk about bad calls or conspiracy theories will be moot. Refs have a tough job, night in and night out, but they would do themselves a favor if they could just agree on what is and isn't a foul.

Chazm
05-21-2009, 07:04 PM
I was just hoping and wishing that we could win 1 of 2 in cleveland and I'm very happy that we won game 1. Honestly, deep down I'm not sold if they can take game 2 but I'll be rooting for the magic all the way baby!

harm0n1x
05-21-2009, 07:13 PM
What I do not understand is why All of the media and all of the Cleveland fans are 100% sure that Cavs will be able to do something that they haven't yet done. 4-12 against the Magic over last 3 seasons. And everyone is equally certain that Orlando will not be able to do something they have already proven that they can do consistantly over the last 3 years.(12-4 against Cavs).
Is it just because you swept some teams (Det 39-43 Atl 47-39)that were weak, injured, and with no defense?
Is it because LeBron just wants it more than Howard? Its his time....Blah blah etc.
Is there some secret plan the Cavs have been saving for the post season that they will unveil in game 2 or maybe game 3?
The Magic are going to beat you. LeBron is going to leave you. You will fill lake Erie with your tears.

First off, you've only won one game, one game that your team had no business winning in the first place. Last I checked this is a 7 game series, not one game. You've probably forgot that the Cavs haven't lost back to back games all season and when they have lost they come back with another winning streak. That was a big wake up call for the Cavs, and this isn't a team that you want to bring the best out of. They we're obviously tired going into the second half, it showed through everyone, but they'll pick it back up. I expect the Cavs to take games 2 and 3 and win this in 7.

ManRam
05-21-2009, 07:17 PM
First off, you've only won one game, one game that your team had no business winning in the first place. Last I checked this is a 7 game series, not one game. You've probably forgot that the Cavs haven't lost back to back games all season and when they have lost they come back with another winning streak. That was a big wake up call for the Cavs, and this isn't a team that you want to bring the best out of. They we're obviously tired going into the second half, it showed through everyone, but they'll pick it back up. I expect the Cavs to take games 2 and 3 and win this in 7.

Agreed. Let's settle down Magic fans. One game doesn't win a playoff series...4 games do. A lot of work to do. Don't get to cocky/confident. A ton of work is left to do. We won by one point. It very easily could have been a loss. We did prove we can play with them, but most everyone knew that.

A ton of basketball left. If you think the Cavs are going to roll over now, you are absolutely positively crazy.

Ollie Tabooger
05-21-2009, 08:42 PM
First off, you've only won one game, one game that your team had no business winning in the first place. Last I checked this is a 7 game series, not one game. You've probably forgot that the Cavs haven't lost back to back games all season and when they have lost they come back with another winning streak. That was a big wake up call for the Cavs, and this isn't a team that you want to bring the best out of. They we're obviously tired going into the second half, it showed through everyone, but they'll pick it back up. I expect the Cavs to take games 2 and 3 and win this in 7.

Well the Cavs have no excuse being tired considering they hadnt played since May 11th. So idk what your talkin about.

cmstophe
05-21-2009, 10:29 PM
Well the Cavs have no excuse being tired considering they hadnt played since May 11th. So idk what your talkin about.

I do.

It's called game conditioning.

I don't know who wins this series, but I guarantee that LeBron will not be cramping up and huffing/puffing in the 4th quarter again.

MagicDojo
05-21-2009, 10:46 PM
troll alert.

hopefully the cavs do the league a favor and knock the magic and their fans out of the playoffs and send them back to the beaches, where, according to Mr Bianchi of the orlando sentinel, they will be anyways.

Nice job avoiding the question.

MagicDojo
05-21-2009, 10:51 PM
First off, you've only won one game, one game that your team had no business winning in the first place. Last I checked this is a 7 game series, not one game. You've probably forgot that the Cavs haven't lost back to back games all season and when they have lost they come back with another winning streak. That was a big wake up call for the Cavs, and this isn't a team that you want to bring the best out of. They we're obviously tired going into the second half, it showed through everyone, but they'll pick it back up. I expect the Cavs to take games 2 and 3 and win this in 7.

How can you say we had no business winning when we have a 3-1 record against you this season. The facts say you have it backwards...you have no business winning. And when we beat you in back to back games you will have to give up that little factoid as well.

MagicDojo
05-21-2009, 10:52 PM
Agreed. Let's settle down Magic fans. One game doesn't win a playoff series...4 games do. A lot of work to do. Don't get to cocky/confident. A ton of work is left to do. We won by one point. It very easily could have been a loss. We did prove we can play with them, but most everyone knew that.

A ton of basketball left. If you think the Cavs are going to roll over now, you are absolutely positively crazy.

got one more win than you...and 2 tomorrow.

Jahari Kavi
05-22-2009, 12:57 AM
cavs gotta go small to beat the magic....varejo needs to be at the C, Bron at the 4, Palvolvic at the 3 with Mo and West in the backcourt.....Z is too slow for Howard and varejo doesn't want to come out to guard lewis.

JordansBulls
05-22-2009, 10:42 AM
I'm not sure if this is going to backfire on Lebron and the Cavs, but really in the earlier rounds when they were blowing teams out they should have allowed more guys to get off for the Cavs. Now that they are in a battle against a good opponent, these other guys on the team may struggle to get anything going.
Really only Mo Williams is capable of going off, but he has to shoot better and he hasn't shot well the entire playoffs. The fact that the Magic won the 1st game despite Lebron's brillance goes to show that the Cavs messed up by not allowing other guys to get off in the earlier rounds.
Maybe it backfires against them or maybe it doesn't, but it seems like it could very well be the case.

MagicDojo
05-22-2009, 01:04 PM
the magic have played every other night for a month now, nobody looked tired for us. Of course ball hogging can wear you out.

The GEEEEE Men
05-22-2009, 08:48 PM
how did Mo Williams not get a technical for throwing the ball at Dwight???

GSW fan
05-22-2009, 11:35 PM
OMFG! What a shot by LeBron.

NYKnickFanatic
05-22-2009, 11:37 PM
LeBron is God-like.

blacknell
05-22-2009, 11:53 PM
can't wait to watch espn tonight

what54!?
05-23-2009, 12:03 AM
well the next hour is gonna be all lebron on espn

Baller1
05-23-2009, 02:53 AM
Wow...

Master Mind
05-23-2009, 03:48 AM
well the next hour is gonna be all lebron on espn

Hour? How about until Game 3 is over...I just shut the T.V. off it's sickening...

superkegger
05-25-2009, 02:05 AM
this is kinda why i thought orlando would win the series, because while the cavs played good offense during the year, they werent tested in the playoffs,now that they are, they're resorting to that offense they played when the spurs swept em, give it to lebron, and watch and hope he's good enough

In game 3, lets assume that those 24 ft's were on 10 shot attempts. thats 38 shots, add the 9 assists, and he was responsible for 47 possesions, the cavs had about 86 possesions in the game. James was directly responsible for more than half of the Cavs offense. he's good, but he's not that good.

Now they're down 2-1, and while obviously, the other guys need to step up, do they have the confidence to? Now that they're down, teams would usually look for your superstar to carry you. The Cavs can't do that. They have to play a more well rounded game to win, everyone else has to get involved. And I'm not sure Mike Brown is offensively gifted enough as a coach to figure out how to do that, nor do I think he's got enough power in that locker room to basically take the ball out of LeBron's hands like that. IDK, I just haven't seen any kind of play out of the supporting cast to make me believe they can just turn it around.

JordansBulls
05-26-2009, 12:30 AM
Orlando needs game 4 IMO.

JayW_1023
05-26-2009, 06:47 AM
Orlando has really become a resilient team this playoffs. Who would've thought...never mind. After losing by buzzer beaters at the hands of Thaddeus Young Andre Iguodala, Ray Allen and Glen Davis...that LeBron buzzer beater doesn't really faze you anymore.

Orlando has really overcome adversity and it's good to see a team that was labeled soft develope some cojones when it counts the most.

JordansBulls
05-26-2009, 11:48 PM
Glad to see Orlando up 3-1.

JayW_1023
05-26-2009, 11:57 PM
Dwight Howard has grown up.


It's been an as remarkable story as any this postseason how Dwight Howard has proven people wrong (including myself) throughout these playoffs.

He was being scrutinized as incomplete offensively and not taking over in the clutch. After Game 4, he proved he has what it takes to be a superstar.

Becks2307
05-27-2009, 12:11 AM
Dwight Howard has grown up.


It's been an as remarkable story as any this postseason how Dwight Howard has proven people wrong (including myself) throughout these playoffs.

He was being scrutinized as incomplete offensively and not taking over in the clutch. After Game 4, he proved he has what it takes to be a superstar.

He did REALLY well but he has a LONG way to go. He needs to develop some post moves. When his legs start to go he will be nothing unless he develops some go-to moves in the post.

superkegger
05-27-2009, 12:13 AM
Dwight is indeed a superstar, he took the team on his back in OT and won that game.

tr4shb0t
05-27-2009, 12:14 AM
TNT doesn't even mention the blatant elbow by Lebron...that is so lame. MVP can do no wrong.

Hellcrooner
05-27-2009, 12:15 AM
hope stern has the decence to not turn this into a charade and rig to the umpteenth the next 3 games in order for a "big resurrection" from Wonderkid in MJ fashion and ********.

24/7 All Day
05-27-2009, 12:15 AM
Dwight is unstoppable down low. Shaq comparisons can resume.

what54!?
05-27-2009, 12:17 AM
when dwight does the right post moves, dude is unstoppable. The only thing holding dwight back is dwight.

This series should be over

Becks2307
05-27-2009, 12:17 AM
Dwight is unstoppable down low. Shaq comparisons can resume.

doesn't he completely suck vs Yao ming every time they play ? i read that on psd

JayW_1023
05-27-2009, 12:19 AM
He did REALLY well but he has a LONG way to go. He needs to develop some post moves. When his legs start to go he will be nothing unless he develops some go-to moves in the post.

He really suprised me on post ups...he could get more consistent, but he is really becoming more confident and his post moves are looking more natural and refined each game.

The most significant improvement however is his court awareness..he now has a much better understanding of where his teammates are and how to make the game easier for them.

I think these playoffs have been instrumental to Howards growth. He used to be known as a player who didn't 'take over' in the clutch. Since the Boston series we've seen a different Dwight Howard.

what54!?
05-27-2009, 12:23 AM
cavs in 6:bang:

I was caught up in the hype :(

thedfactor
05-27-2009, 12:25 AM
Great Game 3. Glad the Magic won and now need to end it in 5 if they play hard. Cavs are expected to win so not too bad to play a 6th in Orlando. Either way close out this series and put Mo "Talk No Walk" Williams in his place.

JordansBulls
05-27-2009, 12:55 AM
Considering not one analyst even picked Orlando to win, I don't want to hear how Cleveland was not supposed to win or wasn't the favorite.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/magic-cavaliers

go_brock_lesnar
05-27-2009, 12:59 AM
no i think lebron will pull thru and lead the cavs to a championship he doesnt need the rest of the team since espn tells me he is the best basketball player since jordan.

lakersfan211
05-27-2009, 01:11 AM
cleveland will come back and win the next 3 games , they have been in every game of the series , mark that down but i will admit if im wrong.

QUICKTRADE
05-27-2009, 02:14 AM
cleveland will come back and win the next 3 games , they have been in every game of the series , mark that down but i will admit if im wrong.

i guarantee that cavaliers could pull this impossible trail if and only if Howard will be suspended, or will get a freak accident injury or wit the help of their 7 players in the court ........you know what i mean:p

xuchunle
05-27-2009, 02:32 AM
if anyone wants to download the video of this game or any other games, I have bookmarked a good site: http://www.nbatorrent.com

Game 4's video can be downloaded here:
http://www.nbatorrent.com/2009/05/517-playoffs-cavaliers-vs-magic-ecf-g4/

Jeremy5150
05-27-2009, 02:33 AM
It looks like the Celtics could have taken out the Cavs WITHOUT KG... wow!

macc
05-27-2009, 02:42 AM
Hey I'm a Magic fan but you have to give the Cavs credit. Yes I agree they had alot of hype but Lebron has been great. He simply can't do everything by himself. He's setting his teammates but they just aren't coming through. I actually feel sorry for Lebron somtimes. If he had a true # 2 scorer his team would be scary but right now he just doesn't have that person.

People can hate on Lebron as much as you want but he's still great. People always have hated on the great ones. Remember I'm a Magic fan but I just give respect where respect is due. I'm glad the Magic won and I think they are the better team but you can't blame the Cavs loss on Lebron. One man can only do so much.

Chronz
05-27-2009, 02:58 AM
Considering not one analyst even picked Orlando to win, I don't want to hear how Cleveland was not supposed to win or wasn't the favorite.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/magic-cavaliers
People make predictions based on expectations, did you foresee the Backcourt struggling offensively all playoffs?

Chronz
05-27-2009, 02:59 AM
It looks like the Celtics could have taken out the Cavs WITHOUT KG... wow!

The Cavs wouldve murdered the C's

MiamiHeat
05-27-2009, 03:09 PM
I wonder what excuses ESPN and NBA will make for why the Cavs lose to the Magic

BTownTeamsRKing
05-27-2009, 03:47 PM
my prediction: Magic 6. Rashard Lewis is a match up nightmare.

5/18/09

I spoke the Truth. Hopefully I am still right, but I'll take a cavs loss in game 5.

BTownTeamsRKing
05-27-2009, 03:55 PM
This is the most ignorant post I have read in awhile. Please do not compare Mo Williams and Delonte West to Skip to my Lou and JJ Redick (or Courtney Lee). Without Jameer Nelson, the Cavs backcourt is better than the Magic.

Orlando rest up because you've got 2 days before you face a HUNGRY and well rested Cleveland Cavaliers team and also the most dangerous player in the NBA. Cavs in 7. No Excuses.


i picked Cavs in 5. Lebron is on a mission, and im pretty certain hes gonna complete it.


You guys are crazy! I'm looking for the king to win in 5 games tops. Cleveland is unbelievable. They have the best player to ever play this game!!! HAIL TO THE KING!! LEBRON JAMES


Cavs in 5


Magic match up extremely well vs. the Cavs...but I think LeBron is just way to much of a force. I don't think any of our SFs can contain him (maybe Pietrus a little bit). He's going to go ballistic. We have the advantage again at the 4 and 5, but that may be it.

I like the Cavs...I'll take them in 6.

Hopefully I'm wrong, like I was about tonight's game ;)


I'm picking Cleveland in 5 but I really wouldn't be surprised if the sweep Orlando. The Cavs are going to win the championship and there's absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.


Cavs in 6. I don't know if it will even last that long though.


cavs in 6 baby


Cleveland in 6.

haha no offense to u guys. im bored, thought this would be a lil fun for 2 mins.

Chronz
05-27-2009, 05:33 PM
I wonder what excuses ESPN and NBA will make for why the Cavs lose to the Magic

Probably the truth

JordansBulls
05-27-2009, 07:36 PM
Probably the truth

I don't know about that when every analysts said Cleveland would win handily.

For those saying the Cavs aren't suppose to win, then answer this?

Source: ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090512)




1. Cleveland (+9.12)
Welcome to the Cleveland Invitational, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, the Pistons had given up and the Hawks had injuries, but the fact is the Cavs have won eight straight playoff games by double figures. In this case it's a continuation of the Cavs' strong finish to the season, and it doesn't appear either Boston or Orlando has the goods to make them sweat much in a conference finals.

Cleveland also has home-court advantage going for it in the final two rounds, so at this point the Cavs have to be considered a heavy favorite to win the championship. They're playing the best basketball, have the best draw, have home-court and have the best player. They still have to play the games, of course, but the skids have already been greased. While the likes of Denver or L.A. could give them a tough fight in the Finals, at this point it appears that the only team that can beat Cleveland is Cleveland.




It was said not Boston or Orlando would even make Cleveland sweat much.

Chronz
05-27-2009, 08:10 PM
Thats Hollingers opinion, and its based strictly on PT differential, Im sure hes already wrote a few articles explaining why he was wrong

Becks2307
05-27-2009, 08:29 PM
I don't know about that when every analysts said Cleveland would win handily.

For those saying the Cavs aren't suppose to win, then answer this?

Source: ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090512)




It was said not Boston or Orlando would even make Cleveland sweat much.

based on the first 8 game there is nothing too wrong with that statement at all. perhaps they should have given Orlando more of a chance but people will argue that the Cavs have beaten themselves.
the Cavs have been up huge in this series thus far if they would just hold on to their lead it would be a whole diff story. that being said the magic will probably win it in 6/7

D Roses Bulls
05-27-2009, 08:52 PM
you know whats kind of funny. first of all im a bulls fan so let me get that out of the way like most of you can already tell, but i wanna say this even looking at the poll. i have had spats with people on this site for the last couple of months cause i have been saying all along that orlando is the best team in the nba. right now even without their all-star point guard in nelson, they are showing they can still win. i just love how people claim to know basketball and will give you these dumb explanations about why cleveland is so much better or the lakers are so dominate and say orlando isnt a elite team because they shoot too many 3's, and as i told people the people who claim they know basketball, they also take it inside when they want and in over time they showed they can if they want and cant be stopped.

and as i told a lot of cavs fans who said they are so dominate during the season and are going to win a championship. did you really think that? they had the same team that they did last year and only added mo williams. did you guys think he was scottie pippen or something? not that lbj is no where near close to MJ either, but i never understood that.

the magic added to key players in pietrus and gortok and through the draft with courtney lee. i will admit i didnt know gortok was going to be like the best back up center in the nba, but this team also was young and are growing up this year. you had to of known they would from last year.

i just wish people would stop listening to the media and actually watch the games and see for themselves. it was right in front of you the whole time and all you had to do was watch and analyze. a lot of these so called "experts" dont watch every game and all they see is highlights.

Becks2307
05-27-2009, 08:57 PM
you know whats kind of funny. first of all im a bulls fan so let me get that out of the way like most of you can already tell, but i wanna say this even looking at the poll. i have had spats with people on this site for the last couple of months cause i have been saying all along that orlando is the best team in the nba. right now even without their all-star point guard in nelson, they are showing they can still win. i just love how people claim to know basketball and will give you these dumb explanations about why cleveland is so much better or the lakers are so dominate and say orlando isnt a elite team because they shoot too many 3's, and as i told people the people who claim they know basketball, they also take it inside when they want and in over time they showed they can if they want and cant be stopped.

and as i told a lot of cavs fans who said they are so dominate during the season and are going to win a championship. did you really think that? they had the same team that they did last year and only added mo williams. did you guys think he was scottie pippen or something? not that lbj is no where near close to MJ either, but i never understood that.

the magic added to key players in pietrus and gortok and through the draft with courtney lee. i will admit i didnt know gortok was going to be like the best back up center in the nba, but this team also was young and are growing up this year. you had to of known they would from last year.

i just wish people would stop listening to the media and actually watch the games and see for themselves. it was right in front of you the whole time and all you had to do was watch and analyze. a lot of these so called "experts" dont watch every game and all they see is highlights.

so we werent supposed the think the cavs were legit ? despite their 66 win season and their 8-0 start in the playoffs winning every game by 10+ points

and its gortat btw not gortok

JordansBulls
05-27-2009, 10:10 PM
Thats Hollingers opinion, and its based strictly on PT differential, Im sure hes already wrote a few articles explaining why he was wrong

And every other analysts said the same thing.

Hellcrooner
05-27-2009, 10:48 PM
Now the media is starting to pump up the Come back from 1-3 , im afraid Stern/referees have already decided that Cleveland is coming back.


worse, im starting to suspect it has all been SCRIPTED since the beggingin, let the magic go 1-3 to make Lebrons achievemente greater......

Chronz
05-27-2009, 10:50 PM
And every other analysts said the same thing.

And Im sure every other analyst thought his teammates would show up

Chronz
05-27-2009, 10:50 PM
Now the media is starting to pump up the Come back from 1-3 , im afraid Stern/referees have already decided that Cleveland is coming back.


worse, im starting to suspect it has all been SCRIPTED since the beggingin, let the magic go 1-3 to make Lebrons achievemente greater......

This is a new low for you

Hellcrooner
05-27-2009, 10:57 PM
go check hollingers **** today

MAC10TIZZY
05-27-2009, 11:03 PM
you know whats kind of funny. first of all im a bulls fan so let me get that out of the way like most of you can already tell, but i wanna say this even looking at the poll. i have had spats with people on this site for the last couple of months cause i have been saying all along that orlando is the best team in the nba. right now even without their all-star point guard in nelson, they are showing they can still win. i just love how people claim to know basketball and will give you these dumb explanations about why cleveland is so much better or the lakers are so dominate and say orlando isnt a elite team because they shoot too many 3's, and as i told people the people who claim they know basketball, they also take it inside when they want and in over time they showed they can if they want and cant be stopped.

and as i told a lot of cavs fans who said they are so dominate during the season and are going to win a championship. did you really think that? they had the same team that they did last year and only added mo williams. did you guys think he was scottie pippen or something? not that lbj is no where near close to MJ either, but i never understood that.

the magic added to key players in pietrus and gortok and through the draft with courtney lee. i will admit i didnt know gortok was going to be like the best back up center in the nba, but this team also was young and are growing up this year. you had to of known they would from last year.

i just wish people would stop listening to the media and actually watch the games and see for themselves. it was right in front of you the whole time and all you had to do was watch and analyze. a lot of these so called "experts" dont watch every game and all they see is highlights.



gortat was here last year silly!!!!!!!!!!!

MagicBucsSox
05-27-2009, 11:30 PM
i love everyone assuming cleveland will win thurs night, when orlando has yet to bring their ''A'' game and are great on the road. both clinchinggames in the playoffs were blowouts on the other teams floor. one w/o the DPOY.

we kno lebrom will get 40. mo 18 and delonte 11-13. we just gotta continue our D on the rest them guys because them 3 only avg 70pts

Chronz
05-28-2009, 12:37 AM
go check hollingers **** today

He called Orlando/Cleveland fans paranoid for thinking about conspiracies

superkegger
05-28-2009, 04:45 PM
What's sad is, if the Cavs win another game, even if they lose the series, if they extend it, we're just going to hear about it being rigged. If Cleveland can do the near impossible and come back, it's going to be dismissed as a great comeback, but called a mockery because it was rigged. Sad.

JordansBulls
05-28-2009, 04:48 PM
What's sad is, if the Cavs win another game, even if they lose the series, if they extend it, we're just going to hear about it being rigged. If Cleveland can do the near impossible and come back, it's going to be dismissed as a great comeback, but called a mockery because it was rigged. Sad.

It's kinda like they are in a lose lose situation here. If they lose then they lose, but if they win then mostly everyone will say it was rigged and them winning would mean nothing.

It's sad that the NBA has this reputation now.

JordansBulls
05-28-2009, 11:39 PM
Orlando is in the situation they have wanted to be in since the series started. Having Game 6 at home with the chance to close it out.


The good thing is that Orlando hasn't started and played a good 1st half yet. They have only had the lead once at the half. Orlando is due for blowing out the Cavs now.

JordansBulls
05-30-2009, 11:08 PM
Great upset for Orlando.

still1ballin
05-30-2009, 11:11 PM
Great upset for Orlando.

It was not an upset

BTownTeamsRKing
05-31-2009, 12:09 AM
Looks like i got this right! Magic in 6.

yes this is an upset

still1ballin
05-31-2009, 12:43 AM
Looks like i got this right! Magic in 6.

yes this is an upset

Getting beat by an elite team is an upset? Atlanta being the Cavs would be more of an upset

madiaz3
05-31-2009, 01:15 AM
Look at these poll numbers. It was an upset prior to the series starting.

Master Mind
05-31-2009, 04:11 AM
Should have been a sweep

JayW_1023
05-31-2009, 07:23 AM
It's going to be awfully tough to beat the Magic at home...I don't see alot of road upsets happening in the Finals.