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Raps18-19 Champ
05-11-2009, 04:34 PM
I was on another thread and they were saying how the NBA is rigged.

I do not believe it is rigged but a lot of people say it is.

I really see no reason how they can rig the NBA without getting caught and being charged.

People say things like that Stern tells referees to favor more popular teams and I have even seen people say that Stern tells the team to lose on purpose. That just seems too unlikely to me. I don't think teams would agree to lose on purpose because of their egos and I don't think they would be able to keep their mouths shut.

People also say things like the title and awards are already set for a certain team and player, Stern already has players moving to certain cities when they become a free agent and more crazy things.

People say rigging the NBA increases their chance of gaining money. I do agree with that but if somehow the people rigging the games were to get caught, the NBA would lose a lot more money and the people can get charged and sent to jail.

I don't really think Stern and his crew would take that risk.

Do you think it is rigged?

theuuord
05-11-2009, 04:35 PM
there is absolutely zero chance that the nba is "rigged" at the level people say it is.

pd7631
05-11-2009, 04:38 PM
It's not rigged....but there is definitely a lot of double standards and favoritism going on with certain players.

IRUAM #21
05-11-2009, 04:41 PM
No it is not.

magicbucs4eva
05-11-2009, 04:43 PM
no but it seems like there is a lot of favoritism towards certain players

Chronz
05-11-2009, 04:45 PM
Its impossible to rig a game with as many nuances as basketball has

SpeedyRecovery
05-11-2009, 04:49 PM
i didn't think it was but i saw the undertaker trying out for the rockets centre position! ;)

IrespectNumber3
05-11-2009, 04:49 PM
The basketball can just magically go in the hoop...And NBA players are not 100 percent automatic...Fouls can go in the hands of favorite players but even the Favorite players dont get all of the calls they want

durtee
05-11-2009, 05:00 PM
It would be impossible to rig every game in the NBA. That said, there is no question that there are double standards and that certain teams winning means more money for the NBA and that is why we see the favoritism and inconsistencies from game to game.

thephoenixson28
05-11-2009, 05:06 PM
I think it is just cuz the simple fact that there is favoritism so kobe doesn't get a 1 game suspension, or rondo doesn't get a suspension, but yet amare and diaw do and all they did was step 1 foot on the court and didn't do anything (like I mentioned in the other thread). If you guys don't think its rigged or can't be rigged explain the donaghy situation. A ref can determine the outcome of a game. From calling a bunch of fouls to not calling any fouls. For calling some BS calls to not calling any BS calls. Just remember its all about the money and once its put in your face you have no reason else to take it.

_Sn1P3r_
05-11-2009, 05:07 PM
No, but there are some favoritism and no-calls that could lead people into thinking so.

coryd238
05-11-2009, 05:17 PM
It's not rigged....but there is definitely a lot of double standards and favoritism going on with certain players.

This

Look at Lebron, Wade, and Kobe.

JordansBulls
05-11-2009, 05:19 PM
No it isn't rigged. This isn't wrestling.

BALLER71
05-11-2009, 05:30 PM
I think so. 1985 lottery was rigged.

Wilson
05-11-2009, 05:33 PM
It's probably not rigged, but you never know what you're going to get out of the officials.

Kohaku
05-11-2009, 05:44 PM
It's not rigged, it's "scripted". :laugh:

Philly76
05-11-2009, 05:58 PM
no but it seems like there is a lot of favoritism towards certain players

+1

I also heard Stern asked (told) Hornets front office to trade Paul to Lakers..

tr4shb0t
05-11-2009, 08:01 PM
It's not a yes or no, there is a ton of things that the NBA does to drive profits and satisfy fans that look like BS and but if you really give it some thought you can come to accept it.

A good example for the playoffs is if a team is up 2-0 and they are obviously going to advance, they refs will often be very one-sided with fouls and give the underdog a better chance to win their home game. This increases profits a bit, but more importantly it pleases more of the fans that bought tickets...they don't want to see a blowout. And they will be more likely to come back.

Teams that are becoming more popular and growing often get virtually handed free wins against elite teams so that the fans get confident in their team. Blazers and Jazz come to mind as teams that do this.

"Star" calls are definitely to make a player more popular and stand out and get media attention and in some cases to help their confidence to artificially push them. There are definitely teams that are boosted up in position because of star calls for a player on that team.

Basically there are key games where the refs will assist 1 team towards a desired outcome for the NBA, but if they can't make it look too legit they sometimes don't, but I notice a lot of the "who the hell officiated that?" games are conveniently on NBATV so not a lot of people end up seeing it. I think they'll try and throw a game or 2 on a team at the end of the season to have a more favorable playoff matchups too. There's a lot of other things, but its hard to know for sure how many are true.

In the end, I would say 90% is pretty legit. But either way, it can be entertaining.

JJ81
05-11-2009, 08:02 PM
No

NJrockPD
05-11-2009, 08:09 PM
No, but there are some favoritism and no-calls that could lead people into thinking so.

I mean that basically says it all, I don't think its rigged as in "the celtics will win in a 7 game series 109 - 99", but I believe the favoritism makes it rigged. If certian players or teams are more marketable they get the calls, they don't get calls against them, they don't get suspended. If the best players on teams or teams are favored and because of this it helps them to maintain particularly high numbers then their team is more likely to win and I still consider that being a little unfair.

If the Bulls completely outplayed the Celtics and won game 7 then they would be playing right now, but the refs weren't going to help them out and they certainly wouldn't suspend Rondo to give them a better chance. If the roles were reversed and Kirk did what Rondo did he would have been suspended multiple games, but that's because of the color of his jersey.

kb24ap28
05-11-2009, 08:15 PM
no but it seems like there is a lot of favoritism towards certain players

example: lebron never getting called for a travel

dumbbaseballfan
05-11-2009, 08:26 PM
rigged, and it will never be fixed

DJ CHACH
05-11-2009, 08:34 PM
it is for sure rigged....the ratings for the past couple of finals are under usual, and all of a sudden boston and la are in, and the interest now soars...dont be surprised if yao ends up in the finals soon, not this yr but in the next couple of years....

armstrong_18
05-11-2009, 08:36 PM
ill say some players seemto get calls based on reputation, but there is no way the nba is rigged, My proof the spurs dynasty is easily one of the least marketable teams yet they seem to put upa banner every couple years, also the lakers not winning in 04 against the pistons again proves this cuz the more chips LA,CHI,BOS,NY get obviously the more money the nba makes, if it was rigged everyyear the lakers or knicks would be raising a banner

Silent
05-11-2009, 08:38 PM
i think it's rigged for certain teams but thats about it

ryanXpress
05-11-2009, 08:38 PM
The NBA knows what sells, a Lebron vs. Kobe NBA finals will bring a lot more money than if any other team in the league made it into the finals. These are the two best players in the league and two top MVP candidates. Can you imagine the marketing capabilities for the league and the money they will make. And for this reason Lebron and Kobe receive favoritism, Lebron more than Kobe getting more foul shots than the opposing team!!:confused: and lebron never has any fouls called on him idk but it seems a little suspicious.

dolfan720
05-11-2009, 08:39 PM
Its impossible to rig a game with as many nuances as basketball has

agreed

Kyle N.
05-11-2009, 08:41 PM
I don't know about rigged, but I don't think everything is always handled the way it should be.

NYtilIdie
05-11-2009, 08:43 PM
Trust me if you watched the WCF between Lakers and Kings you'd know what "rigged" looks like and stuff today isn't even close to what was happening in that game. So no

nyanks79
05-11-2009, 08:48 PM
Do people honestly belive the 1985 lottery was rigged so the Knicks(largest market) could get number 1 and get Ewing?

still1ballin
05-11-2009, 10:43 PM
no

theuuord
05-12-2009, 01:00 AM
Do people honestly belive the 1985 lottery was rigged so the Knicks(largest market) could get number 1 and get Ewing?

that is actually the ONLY conspiracy theory around this stuff that i think MIGHT be true.

ink
05-12-2009, 01:02 AM
Do you think it is rigged?

Nope.

GspLAL
05-12-2009, 06:13 AM
Gonna assume you read my thread on the Lakers forum, so here's what I think about it, not sure why it got locked but...

You can criticize me all you want about what I'm about to tell you, but logically this makes sense to me. the NBA league rigs games, there are multi-million dollar bets behind these games coming from Vegas hotel owners and casinos (mafia). Now you might ask why would they do this? How do you think these NBA teams can afford to pay these players 120 million, 40 million, 10 million, whatever, for each player? Do you think tickets from Staples center or the food they sell, or the jerseys and merchandise they sell is gonna help pay for all that? That alone will help pay for all the expenses for Staples Center. The money the hotels/casinos obtain from betting help the organizations out for paying all these salaries off, but they want one thing in return, to throw the game so they make sure the money is obtained. I can go on about Lakers-Boston getting Gasol, Garnett etc for free, but thats a whole different story, all I will say is it's no coincidence that the biggest rivalry met in the finals in a ****** economy and back to back ****** rating Finals'.

You can flame me all you want for my opinion, but like they say opinions are like *******s and everyone has them, so when a game like this happens I don't sweat it because after all, the NBA is a business also and it needs to make money to continue.

shooterone
05-12-2009, 06:34 AM
I believe it is rigged and the ref got caught a couple of years ago

T-Wolf
05-12-2009, 06:46 AM
i can bet that boston-lakers final was fixed before the season! i think that even some trades were forced, like gasol to lakers, kidd to dallas, KG to boston etc. NBA started to lose popularity and they tried to brig it back with old rivaly between boston and lakers... it's all about money!!!

Hellcrooner
05-12-2009, 06:52 AM
MJ, Jazz, Game Six, kikcs rUSSELL , offensive foulĒ??'? no god forbid it, its a game winning and title winnign histric beeter boozer.

rose, chicagoan, bulls not many draft balls, bulls struggling financially.

and with the 1st pick CHICAGO takes rose.

1985, Knicks suck, knicks suck so much....nba is losing money because knicks suck. with the first pick knicks take patrick ewing.

Orlando ealry 90s, the worst team of last 80s expansion they are in teh verge of moving or dissapearing,,,,,,,with the first pick Shaq.....next year snowflakes in hell chance and they get another 1st.

2003 Cavs...moving ...strugglin Local kid Lebron.....with the first pick CAvs get lebron.


Kevin Mchale BOSTON CELTIC DELUXE 3 straight years taking bostons crap to allow them to get garnett for a pu pu bag.

etc etc.

Blak griffin Oklahomer , OKC strugglin like hell,,,,,,guess who will have first pick...

Hellcrooner
05-12-2009, 07:14 AM
and we better not get into this years dunk contest.....

stouderose
05-12-2009, 07:18 AM
MJ, Jazz, Game Six, kikcs rUSSELL , offensive foulĒ??'? no god forbid it, its a game winning and title winnign histric beeter boozer.

rose, chicagoan, bulls not many draft balls, bulls struggling financially.

and with the 1st pick CHICAGO takes rose.

1985, Knicks suck, knicks suck so much....nba is losing money because knicks suck. with the first pick knicks take patrick ewing.

Orlando ealry 90s, the worst team of last 80s expansion they are in teh verge of moving or dissapearing,,,,,,,with the first pick Shaq.....next year snowflakes in hell chance and they get another 1st.

2003 Cavs...moving ...strugglin Local kid Lebron.....with the first pick CAvs get lebron.


Kevin Mchale BOSTON CELTIC DELUXE 3 straight years taking bostons crap to allow them to get garnett for a pu pu bag.

etc etc.

Blak griffin Oklahomer , OKC strugglin like hell,,,,,,guess who will have first pick...

that just is not true. bullsa re only behind NY and LA in terms of revenue

Testaverde16
05-12-2009, 07:32 AM
my girlfirend asked me that just the other day.... i said probably.

kidfury
05-12-2009, 07:37 AM
rigged or fixed are TOO strong a label but the nba definitely treats their 'favorites' diffrently and it's not simply the young player has to 'earn the respect of the refs' spiel. Refs as do any person make mistakes but even with that I think there's some bias for certain players and teams.

btw I do think Rondo should have been suspended in the Bos/Chi series

T-Wolf
05-12-2009, 07:37 AM
MJ, Jazz, Game Six, kikcs rUSSELL , offensive foulĒ??'? no god forbid it, its a game winning and title winnign histric beeter boozer.

rose, chicagoan, bulls not many draft balls, bulls struggling financially.

and with the 1st pick CHICAGO takes rose.

1985, Knicks suck, knicks suck so much....nba is losing money because knicks suck. with the first pick knicks take patrick ewing.

Orlando ealry 90s, the worst team of last 80s expansion they are in teh verge of moving or dissapearing,,,,,,,with the first pick Shaq.....next year snowflakes in hell chance and they get another 1st.

2003 Cavs...moving ...strugglin Local kid Lebron.....with the first pick CAvs get lebron.


Kevin Mchale BOSTON CELTIC DELUXE 3 straight years taking bostons crap to allow them to get garnett for a pu pu bag.

etc etc.

Blak griffin Oklahomer , OKC strugglin like hell,,,,,,guess who will have first pick...

i like what you said and i agree, but i also think that it has been more fixing in recent years then in 80s and 90s... it all started when NBA became business instead of game of love...

Rico1455
05-12-2009, 09:14 AM
Let me start by saying this... I want to believe that it is not. BUT and that's a very large but, I have seen too many instances where particular players have had obvious preferential treatment over others.

Kyben36
05-12-2009, 09:28 AM
Its somewhat riged, when the bulls get D Rose with a 1.8 chance at the first pick. That just doesnt happen.

Heatcheck
05-12-2009, 09:44 AM
am i the only one who saw wright put his hands up, like "i didnt touch him". Its universal, they do it in football too. I found that so obvious, the man probably saw melo fumble the dribble a bit, and tried to go for the steal. If it was an INTENTIONAL foul, why'd you put your hands up like that? That wasn't him tellng the ref it was on him, ive seen that hand raised before.

I think he ****ed up, and is trying to hide behind the fact everyone else was looking for the intentional foul.

MPScribbles
05-12-2009, 09:46 AM
Its impossible to rig a game with as many nuances as basketball has

Chronz, I love that sig.

PhillySportFan
05-12-2009, 09:55 AM
It would be impossible to rig it, players wouldn't accept being on the losing end, competition wouldn't allow that, if it was rigged I don't know how they could keep every person in the NBA not have ever said something about it. That's my thoughts on professional sports possibly being rigged. As others have said, that doesn't mean there's not some strange or terrible calls but it's not like one team is getting an automatic win.

3RDASYSTEM
05-12-2009, 10:08 AM
Does steroids in baseball/football ring a bell, does funny non calls/calls in critical times seem odd, does a rogue ref work alone(YEAH JUS LIKE EVERY OTHER "GANG"),come on ladies and gents you might as well take all of your emotions out of teams and just like players natural gifts(if they aint cheatin in some way)...when things become about $$ its then HOLLYWOOD/FAKE in some way, meaning a stage is set,being box office..its theatre(STEPHEN A. hits this everytime), so to me that means its a circus and they use our heroes for it, think about all the cheating/suspensions/suspicions and so on...its all media driven for better or worse, think about this the commiss. DAVID STERN said his ideal NBA FINALS would be LAKERS vs LAKERS ...wow and this is coming from the person who runs the league, why you think he wants the NBA global....yall think its $$$ but its more a global takeover on a larger scale and it has nothing to do with sports,hes just a pawn like the rest. Can anyone say bamboozled/hoodwinked...it happened to us all, and its so sad that everyone on here pours their heart out for owners/teams who dont give a squat bout ya, but will make up BOBBLEHEADS to give ya for free, and discounts but only way ya get something FREE is if ya buy something first,wait..thats not free

blackjack_119
05-12-2009, 10:13 AM
When I saw the thread, I thought the two poll options would be "fixed" and "rigged". That would have been funny.

Hellcrooner
05-12-2009, 10:29 AM
i like what you said and i agree, but i also think that it has been more fixing in recent years then in 80s and 90s... it all started when NBA became business instead of game of love...
The trend entered in with stern and his bussiness tak eon the league.

its went crazy when magic and bird retred and all he had was MJ it became so crazy that not only did he help get at least 2 of the 6 rings with -"bad calss" here and there on the playoffs but he also made sure PIPPEN didnt win a ring ON HIS OWN (disminishing Jordans image) by rigging the series in favour of the knicks.

JordansBulls
05-12-2009, 10:34 AM
The trend entered in with stern and his bussiness tak eon the league.

its went crazy when magic and bird retred and all he had was MJ it became so crazy that not only did he help get at least 2 of the 6 rings with -"bad calss" here and there on the playoffs but he also made sure PIPPEN didnt win a ring ON HIS OWN (disminishing Jordans image) by rigging the series in favour of the knicks.

WTF!! This makes absolutely no sense.
If anything was rigged it was the Pacers vs Knicks as the Pacers were up 3-2 on the Knicks and in game 7 they called a ******* flagrant foul on Reggie Miller after he was just intentionally fouling Starks.

If you want something that was fixed go look at game 6 in 1988 vs Detroit. Or was it game 7, I can't remember off hand. That BS call on Laimbeer at the end of the game that cost Detroit the title.

bogmon
05-12-2009, 10:41 AM
Rigged: NO

Do they "make up" for officiating errors with favoritism the next game...hell yeah!

That was obvious last night in the Dallas/Denver series....they blew the intentional foul on Carmelo in game 3....so in game 4, breathing anywhere near Dirk was a foul...

It prolonged the series and eased the media scrutiny for a few days.

IMO: Reffing an NBA playoff series has to be one of the most difficult job's in professional sports!

ink
05-12-2009, 10:51 AM
Its impossible to rig a game with as many nuances as basketball has

It can't be impossible or Donaghy wouldn't have been able to shave points. But I get what you're saying, and I don't think the league could systematically fix the game.

cmacmath
05-12-2009, 10:55 AM
I don't think outcomes of games are rigged, but there is certainly favoritism, but that happens in every sport...look at the way the NFL protects QB's...there is no secret that offense sells and Dwyane Wade's PPG is certainly helped by about 6ppg thanks to phantom calls that lead to free throws and Lebron's PPG are certainly helped by the fact the NBA doesn't call it when he travels to the hoop about 3 times a game, but other than that there is no favoring of big market teams...the Knicks in 2008-2009 sold the 3rd highest amount of merchandise meaning they are still one of the most popular teams and they still play in the biggest market and they have been ****ing terrible for 10 years and stop with the talk about rigging the draft lottery, in last years draft the Knicks moved DOWN a spot...nobody is helping them

There is one thing weird about the NBA tho...over the last 25 years, there has only been 7 champions (Bos-3, LA-6, Det-3, Chi-6, SA-4, Hou-2, and Miami)...I think that is probably more a testament to good ownership (and Tim Duncan) but it is kind of interesting...

LanceUpperCut
05-12-2009, 11:11 AM
Only when the Raps lose.

40oz
05-12-2009, 11:12 AM
...

40oz
05-12-2009, 11:12 AM
Defiantly has a certain amount of persuading. Example: the ol' jordan rules.

IndyRealist
05-12-2009, 11:51 AM
MJ, Jazz, Game Six, kikcs rUSSELL , offensive foulĒ??'? no god forbid it, its a game winning and title winnign histric beeter boozer.

rose, chicagoan, bulls not many draft balls, bulls struggling financially.

and with the 1st pick CHICAGO takes rose.

1985, Knicks suck, knicks suck so much....nba is losing money because knicks suck. with the first pick knicks take patrick ewing.

Orlando ealry 90s, the worst team of last 80s expansion they are in teh verge of moving or dissapearing,,,,,,,with the first pick Shaq.....next year snowflakes in hell chance and they get another 1st.

2003 Cavs...moving ...strugglin Local kid Lebron.....with the first pick CAvs get lebron.


Kevin Mchale BOSTON CELTIC DELUXE 3 straight years taking bostons crap to allow them to get garnett for a pu pu bag.

etc etc.

Blak griffin Oklahomer , OKC strugglin like hell,,,,,,guess who will have first pick...

You missed one. After decimating a title contender by leveling historic suspensions due to the Brawl, David Stern tells the 16 teams ahead not to select Danny Granger, so he could fall to the Indiana Pacers. Danny Granger MIP!

To address the other posts, the problem with secret conspiracies is that the more people are involved in it the more likely -someone- is going to spill the beans. If you've got 100 refs, 400+ players, hundreds of league officials, thousands of team staff members, you just can't keep them all quiet.

And for the guy that thinks the mafia's in on it...well...all I can say is that if there was systemic rigging of NBA games, the Nevada Gaming Commision would at the very least suspend betting on NBA games, if not drag them into court or shut them down. They tell mobsters and billionaires how they can do business, I'm pretty sure they're not afraid of the David Stern.

I think game rigging on a system wide level is impossible. I do think refs get intimidated by the reputations of certain teams and players, and that contributes to the appearance of a conspiracy, as well as simple inconsistency. The NBA does track calls and whatnot, but that's the sort of self-regulation that has caused banks and automotive companies to fail. Independent regulation is the only thing that will kill off the theories.

hotpotato1092
05-12-2009, 12:20 PM
David Stern does what is in his best interest, meaning keeping fighting and flagarents down and keeping big market teams and players up. Games aren't rigged but refs are definitely given some instruction on how to call specific games.

oracle650
05-12-2009, 12:30 PM
I think so. 1985 lottery was rigged.

hell yea. most of the lotteries are rigged. that ish has to be changed the nba is super rigged. all the people saying it isn't most have teams with stars on them.

TragicallyHip
05-12-2009, 12:43 PM
Of course it is! Anyone who doesn't think so is crazy. The NBA loses money when playoff series don't go to 7 games. They don't mind with the Cavs though, cause they want LeBron well rested to take on the Magic/Celtics and eventually Kobe.

Cunanan
05-12-2009, 01:26 PM
i dont think the NBA is rigged. Well maybe this year! Right now David Stern, as with the rest of the world, are hoping for a Denver vs. Lakers matchup and a Cleveland vs. Boston matchup. Ultimately leading to a KOBE vs LEBRON matchup, not LA vs Cleveland. That would make the NBA so much money and with the world being in a so called recession, that would be the ultimate goal.

Ironman5219
05-12-2009, 01:48 PM
not rigged but to much star favoritism, and biases espcailly to home teams ( LAKERS )

TopsyTurvy
05-12-2009, 01:53 PM
i dont think the NBA is rigged. Well maybe this year! Right now David Stern, as with the rest of the world, are hoping for a Denver vs. Lakers matchup and a Cleveland vs. Boston matchup. Ultimately leading to a KOBE vs LEBRON matchup, not LA vs Cleveland. That would make the NBA so much money and with the world being in a so called recession, that would be the ultimate goal.

Despite profit sharing, the remaining 28 teams won't see much of that money. From a marketing standpoint and brand recognition stand point - there is money to be made, specifically as it relates to the league and NBA brand name. The problem is that Sacremento doesn't make much of anything when LA plays Cleveland in the finals (I didn't mean to pick on Sacremento, but they were the first team to come to mind.)

In this respect the league is completely unregulated. It's a common misconception that the NBA "pulls for" or "rigs" competition in attempt to get a big market team vs. a big market team for the final. I think this flawed perspective is due to in large part that the administration of the league is also filled with fans and advocates of the sport. For example, if David Stern goes on the radio and says "he'd love to see Kobe vs. Lebron in a final," the lay person instantly assumes he feels that way because he wants to see how much money can be made. The reality is Stern is just as much a fan as anyone here and would love to see the competition.

That said there is a business side of the NBA and it takes place in the form of interstate commerce. Teams are regulated by laws and rules governing their accounting activities and franchises are seen by state legislators as a commodity. All of your home state teams, even if local rivals, are great sources of revenue (ie. TAX) generation. The problem with the flawed logic that the NBA picks and chooses who wins and loses lies at this level. If it is soooooo widely accepted the league is fixed, why aren't states like Oklahoma, North Carolina, and Louisiana up in arms over their teams not being actively pushed towards prominence and financial gain???

All of this is not to say that there is no cheating, point shaving, or other unethical behavior in the NBA - the most recent proven case regarding Donaghy. It is on the individual level where the NBA has issues with the integrity of its players and officials. On this level is also where the NBA will have the most difficulty in regulating behavior. An official can send a team to the charity stripe more than its competitor to satisfy hedged bets on the over-under for a given game and stand to benefit greatly. A player could shave points off of a given game to meet similar requirements as well. We are now in the land of speculation... :no:

I don't believe the NBA is fixed in any way. I think the officials will have a lot of material to review this off season and there should be some possible rule changes forthcoming. I don't like the preferential treatment of all-stars, but that pales in comparison to the amount of complaining officials currently tolerate. I believe this behavior is conducive to preferential calls and should be stopped completely. A captain should be assigned at the beginning of the game and they should be the only player on the floor allowed to openly criticize a ref. Traveling NEEDS to be called!!! Review and make a decision once and for all on the crab dribble and send every official to 'traveling school.'

GspLAL
05-12-2009, 05:50 PM
To those of you saying it can't be rigged, you need to look harder. They don't necessarily rig it by telling the ref's to favor one team. They rig it by giving the teams organizations money to help pay for the players salary to throw games. Why would they do this? To make sure they win the betting and gambling involved. Who would do this? Vegas and the mafia who controls it. Honestly how do you think the team owners get all the money to pay for all these players AND staff, tickets and merchandise alone will pay for the management of the Arena.

ChiCubsFan
05-12-2009, 06:26 PM
the draft is rigged. The 85 draft. Lebrons draft. Even the Bulls getting number 1.

xDjEpYOnx
05-12-2009, 07:23 PM
I agree that there is some favor given to the bigger market teams or star players, I don't think there is anyone here who can deny that wholeheartedly, but to think that there is a system in place that everyone involved with the NBA, players, coaches, front offices, etc, that's just ludicrous. Any fixing or rigging of games or the outcome of games can only be done on the individual level, like someone mentioned before, because the offense is less conspicuous. Any ref or player can do little things during a game to benefit any gambling, but that's just a game by game basis, not a whole season or playoffs. As far as the theories about the drafts, trades, etc., anything is possible because all of the transactions for trades or drafts is done behind close doors, no one can really know what sort of deals are being made between teams, i.e deals like KG or Gasol. But that's not really rigging or fixing, that's just business.

_KB24_
05-12-2009, 07:39 PM
The NBA will not rest until Lebron wins a championship/

C MAC
05-12-2009, 08:25 PM
I don't think the NBA is fixed or rigged but I definitely think something needs to be done about the officiating. The NBA is by far the worst officiated sport on the planet. It's just way too inconsistent. The MLB and NFL are great now that they can review stuff. They need to do something about it that's all I know.

Missing56&33
05-12-2009, 09:19 PM
no but it seems like there is a lot of favoritism towards certain players

favoritism and the game being rigged has nothing to do with the other. players are judged based on the skill level and popularity they have. I personally dont see anything wrong with that. Lebron, Kobe, Wade, may get calls over a rookie or less skill player but they deserve that IMO. Just like Larry Bird, Magic, and Jordan got calls but that doesn't mean the game is rigged. That's just the way it is.

theuuord
05-13-2009, 01:57 AM
so as of right now this poll is 55-47.

which means 47 people should enter into rehab within the next six months.

BroadwayJoe
05-13-2009, 09:46 AM
it's the most crooked league of them all... and that includes baseball and it's humongous steroid cloud that looms over it

DrDEADalready
05-13-2009, 10:47 AM
Nba is Fixed. :pity:

what a shame.

Vidball
05-13-2009, 10:50 AM
i dont think the NBA is rigged. Well maybe this year! Right now David Stern, as with the rest of the world, are hoping for a Denver vs. Lakers matchup and a Cleveland vs. Boston matchup. Ultimately leading to a KOBE vs LEBRON matchup, not LA vs Cleveland. That would make the NBA so much money and with the world being in a so called recession, that would be the ultimate goal.

Why would the NBA want a smaller market team (DEN) over a team with a bigger market and a bigger fan base (DAL)???

Any why would the NBA want the Spurs to win 4 out of the last 10 championships? The NBA likes long series, but this isn't pro wrestling. If it were we all could be making hand over fist betting in Vegas.

Hellcrooner
05-13-2009, 11:03 AM
and bout steroids.......funny how come David Stern before allowing ba professionals to compete on the Olympics forced the Olympic comitee to sign a contract wher eit says that Nba players (american or no) WONT be examined by olympic doctors about doping?........

BTownTeamsRKing
05-13-2009, 11:58 AM
I like to think its not. It would also be very difficult to rig the game.

THat said, the NBA can be very suspicious.

2 years ago, the NFL playoffs TRIPLED the NBA FINALS rating of cavs and spurs. NOT the super bowl, the playoffs triple the nba championship. The next year its Celtics vs. Lakers. and i mean its not like stern somehow orchestrated the trades of KG and Gasol, but man what a coincidence.

Then chicago winning the lottery at 12 and selecting Rose.

stuff like that...

Big Game Son
05-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Yes I think it is fixed. The way I try to explain it is that it isnt rigged all the time, but the NBA doesnt want a team like Houston to be LA in my opinion because the money involved is tremendous if LA makes the NBA Final. However, injuries, streakiness and downright luck make it very difficult to do so.

I do think though that some of the homecourt mass outnumbering in free throws can be questionable. Officiating would be the easiest way to rig the game. Remember....the longer a series the more profitable typically. Also that Gasol trade was something else....totally thought that was sketchy. Good deal for Lakers, but why Memphis took it I will never understand. NBA influence possibly?

Hellcrooner
05-13-2009, 01:00 PM
^well The gasol trade does not look so bad nowdays it was massive cap release and STARTING like centers definelty DONT GROW on trees.

tafteagle15
05-13-2009, 01:02 PM
there is no way the nba is rigged

anpmp
05-13-2009, 01:48 PM
If Stern is rigging the games, then he's doing it to get LESS money and see BORING defensive-minded teams like the Pistons and Spurs win championships. Or perhaps he never did rig it until this season... the two best players in the world going up against each other in the NBA Finals! How is that possible without it being rigged!!!???

GspLAL
05-13-2009, 05:56 PM
Some people dont understand the politics involved in sports...Not every game is rigged, not every series is rigged, you have to look at them trying to hide it also.

XJW18
05-13-2009, 06:01 PM
No, but there are some favoritism and no-calls that could lead people into thinking so.

Agreed.

xSolidx
05-13-2009, 06:13 PM
No it isnt

If it was, Knicks would be title contenders

BTownTeamsRKing
05-13-2009, 06:17 PM
Yes I think it is fixed. The way I try to explain it is that it isnt rigged all the time, but the NBA doesnt want a team like Houston to be LA in my opinion because the money involved is tremendous if LA makes the NBA Final. However, injuries, streakiness and downright luck make it very difficult to do so.

I do think though that some of the homecourt mass outnumbering in free throws can be questionable. Officiating would be the easiest way to rig the game. Remember....the longer a series the more profitable typically. Also that Gasol trade was something else....totally thought that was sketchy. Good deal for Lakers, but why Memphis took it I will never understand. NBA influence possibly?

it is a bit suspicious that the Celtics have been in 3 game 7s b/w the last 2 years and could be headed to a 4th.

Mcnabb_vision
05-13-2009, 07:06 PM
its fixed to a certian point...

they made the celtics play the lakers last year, so stern can have his ratings go high, think about it, this year its gonna be cavs vs lakers cuz lebron vs kobe will bring in the ratings they want..

Trouble87
05-13-2009, 07:47 PM
I voted yes... All the games aren't flat out rigged but some are made into spectacles for entertainment & replay purposes

They don't pick the winners & losers but they do sway games with questionable officiating, suspensions, and "phantom" injuries

Trouble87
05-13-2009, 07:48 PM
No it isnt

If it was, Knicks would be title contenders

they might be building us up for that great underdog style comeback :rolleyes:

Raps18-19 Champ
05-13-2009, 07:48 PM
Wow. It's closer than I thought.

Fear_GAS_OLDier
05-13-2009, 07:59 PM
nope

Vidball
05-14-2009, 12:43 PM
its fixed to a certian point...

they made the celtics play the lakers last year, so stern can have his ratings go high, think about it, this year its gonna be cavs vs lakers cuz lebron vs kobe will bring in the ratings they want..

Yeah...the best teams don't make the Finals :rolleyes:
If only the refs were non-partial your Grizzles would be the champs this year.
The Lakers and Cleveland are just better than everybody else (just like BOS and L.A. were last year).

JonnyBrav000
05-14-2009, 12:59 PM
The nba is rigged to a certain extent and its out in the open as well. Why is it that star players get away with certain things other guys don't, also how the hell was it possible for the Lakers to get Pau Gasol for nothing and the Celtics got KG and Ray Allen who landed them a championship for a small price as well, I don't care if Jefferson is a good player, the guy is a stat filler, now KG and Ray Allen are great players. Point is the Lakers and Celtics got away with lopsided trades all in the same season to set up a Lakers/Celtics revivalry. Plus if you think Donoghy was the only cheating ref you are sadly mistaken, the mafia is alot bigger than people know and money has a way of keeping mouths shut, well money and the threat of violence.

theuuord
05-14-2009, 01:13 PM
this poll is really showing the intelligence level of the average psd poster.....
sad.

69centers
05-14-2009, 01:17 PM
I wouldn't used the word "fixed", but "rigged" should apply, especially since it did come out that refs have made favoring calls to change a game, a la Tim Donaghy.

bleedprple&gold
05-14-2009, 01:47 PM
its fixed to a certian point...

they made the celtics play the lakers last year, so stern can have his ratings go high, think about it, this year its gonna be cavs vs lakers cuz lebron vs kobe will bring in the ratings they want..

Boston and LA were clearly the best two teams last year, they earned their way there, they didn't make it because of any rigging. If you think it was "rigged" then who do you think was more deserving of making finals last year? If you want to say that the trades were rigged that made them good enough teams to get to the finals, you would have a better argument there. But why would Memphis agree to that trade then? They are trying to run a business too. If Stern told me to trade away my best player to help another team I would tell him to go **** himself. And this year its going to be the Cavs and Lakers because they are the best teams. Is it really so hard to believe that the teams with the two best players could make it to the finals without any rigging going on behind the scenes?

IRUAM #21
05-14-2009, 02:46 PM
this poll is really showing the intelligence level of the average psd poster.....
sad.

I know :pity:

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2009, 03:48 PM
The Magic went to the Finals with Lakers.

Is it still rigged? Cuz if it was, it would be Lakers and Cavs.

LAKERMANIA
06-22-2009, 03:56 PM
The NBA is not RIGGED.. The refs probably show favoritism in some games here and there, but basketball is a game of runs.. I think its impossible to actually rig a game with all its rules.. If the NBA were rigged the Spurs who are considered death to ratings wouldn't have won 4 championships and all finals series would have gone to 7 games which is usually considered a ratings boost.

AllTheWay
06-22-2009, 04:00 PM
I stand by my claim that most PSD posters are complete morons.

29$JerZ
06-22-2009, 04:01 PM
It's not rigged. A lot of favoritism and dumb-*** fouls but not rigged.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2009, 04:02 PM
I stand by my claim that most PSD posters are complete morons.


Exactly

I can't believe more poeple said yes than no.

rmonte4
06-22-2009, 04:11 PM
Donaghy said a game was rigged in the 2002 playoffs to extend a series. I believe it, despite coming from him.

DJ CHACH
06-22-2009, 04:13 PM
i think that if it isnt rigged, its for sure fixed......maybe not fixed, but defintly rigged

jnb58
06-22-2009, 04:17 PM
I think the question is "Are NBA games unfairly influenced? "

Playing favorites with calls is garbage.

azkarraga
06-22-2009, 04:25 PM
i just want to have some of that weed. with the multimillion dollars bets from las vegas and stern fobiding pippen to get a ring, i just know i need it.
can i have your dealer's number?

Kaptain Kanada
06-22-2009, 04:48 PM
'Fixed and Rigged' are both pretty big words... basically equating the NBA to the WWE.

There is definitely a bias in reffing in the NBA though. Star players have a double standard than the regular joes.... but that being said, the Cavs lost this year, so I'm pretty sure that it isn't rigged.

Korman12
06-22-2009, 04:57 PM
Thinking the NBA is rigged or fixed is on the same intelligence level with pretty much every other conspiracy theory that exists - impossibly stupid. Yeah the refs make bad calls sometimes, you know, like every other f**king sport.

asandhu23
06-22-2009, 04:57 PM
there is no doubt NBA is rigged. 1. Look at 1985 draft. D Stern created that draft so Patrick Ewing will end up in NY ( major market). In the recent years... NBA's stock was falling due to global depression. Guess what D Stern did... he did an undercover thing and Jerry West Lakers Legend ended up GM for Memphis. On the other side, Kevin McHale....Boston Celtics legend ended up coach of Minnesota T-Wolves... A little persuasion by those legends and NBA's greatest rivalry was created once again this time to sell seats. Also if you will notice. Ray Allen ended up in Boston because NBA wanted to create the big three Celtics always had. plus Ray Allen's team at time was going to end up in OKC.... Minor market...he jumps to Celtics...Kobe-Pau versus Garnett, Allen, Pierce.... coincidence? i think not. plus in this years draft.... guess where Blake Griffin is going...to the Lakers Jr....the clippers.

NYK|NYY
06-22-2009, 05:03 PM
I don't know about all the trades but I do question the officiating every year in the playoffs. I always feel the bigger market or whom ever would make for a better finals get all the calls. And there is no doubt superstars get calls that are ridiculous so they can put on a show for better ratings.

E.O.21
06-22-2009, 05:07 PM
Let me start by saying this... I want to believe that it is not. BUT and that's a very large but, I have seen too many instances where particular players have had obvious preferential treatment over others.

Thats called the SUPERSTAR treatment

Bausman
06-22-2009, 05:12 PM
and bout steroids.......funny how come David Stern before allowing ba professionals to compete on the Olympics forced the Olympic comitee to sign a contract wher eit says that Nba players (american or no) WONT be examined by olympic doctors about doping?........

Cause then the NBA would look more like the NMA (national marijuana association).

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2009, 05:24 PM
'Fixed and Rigged' are both pretty big words... basically equating the NBA to the WWE.

There is definitely a bias in reffing in the NBA though. Star players have a double standard than the regular joes.... but that being said, the Cavs lost this year, so I'm pretty sure that it isn't rigged.

That's what everyone is saying.

I know there is bias in star players but I used rigged or fixed because people are saying it is completely fixed.

GSW fan
06-22-2009, 05:57 PM
2 words: Frozen. Envelope

theuuord
06-22-2009, 06:10 PM
we're still freaking talking about this!??!?

if the NBA was REALLY rigged, the finals would have been Nets-Rockets.

Beno7500
06-22-2009, 06:42 PM
Yes

_Supreme_
06-22-2009, 06:58 PM
I don't think it's possible to really fix anything 100% without people finding out, but I do think the NBA is trying to manipulate things certain ways by decisions they make (like suspending or not suspending certain players), not acting when clearly fishy trades happen because it benefits the NBA financially (the Gasol fraud), their marketing machine contributing to favoring big market teams, the overglorifying of certain players*, aka creating legacies by contributing to writing-up certain names, aka creating stars, etc.

I also believe the referees sometimes do have an agenda. It's just not clear how deep the agenda is.

This league is so obviously becoming more and more about $$$$$$$$ and individual stars, which is not the way it is supposed to be. They are the big fake McDonalds smile of sports, and David Stern is the Ronald McDonald clown of sports. Sad really.

But whatever, if and when I get annoyed with it enough I'll just stop watching. There is enough other entertainment and sports out there.



* For example, when two players make almost identical spectacular plays it's always the star names that end up on their top 10 plays of the week/month/season.

_Supreme_
06-22-2009, 06:59 PM
if the NBA was REALLY rigged, the finals would have been Nets-Rockets.

Because?

theuuord
06-22-2009, 07:00 PM
Because?

guess what the most watched american sporting event in the world was last year.

(hint: not the super bowl.)

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2009, 07:01 PM
^

Yao vs Yi.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2009, 07:02 PM
I can't believe the thread about the Lebron shirt has double the pages than this thread.

theuuord
06-22-2009, 07:02 PM
^

Yao vs Yi.

yup!


and that was a meaningless regular-season game in december.

Imagine if they met in the Finals.
Literally billions upon billions to be made.

theuuord
06-22-2009, 07:03 PM
I can't believe the thread about the Lebron shirt has double the pages than this thread.

I can't believe that either one made it past the first page.



(Actually, this is PSD. Yes I can.)

clutchski
06-22-2009, 07:04 PM
I'm sure this has already been said somewhere in this thread..but we could ask the same question "Do you think it's rigged?" for many of the most popular sports in the world.

The most prolific in my mind being Soccer.

Ipswja
06-22-2009, 07:09 PM
I'm sure this has already been said somewhere in this thread..but we could ask the same question "Do you think it's rigged?" for many of the most popular sports in the world.

The most prolific in my mind being Soccer.

Agreed

I dont think its rigged just favourtism to certain players

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2009, 07:10 PM
I can't believe that either one made it past the first page.



(Actually, this is PSD. Yes I can.)

Ya i don't understand why people actually think its rigged.

Bt atleast this is something that is more basketball related than a shirt.

mtg23us
06-22-2009, 07:14 PM
I hate when people think the NBA is rigged. First off it would of been CLE vs LA in the finals. While I agree that there are calls given to certain players it is more about wanting to keep the stars in the game vs deciding the outcome in most cases. The main reason you know it is not fixed is the amount of money involved in Vegas. There is no way they would alow it.

clutchski
06-22-2009, 07:15 PM
Agreed

I dont think its rigged just favourtism to certain players

Yep bigtime in basketball for sure. not only to certain players, but home teams..or teams down 20 points.

theuuord
06-22-2009, 07:16 PM
Ya i don't understand why people actually think its rigged.

Bt atleast this is something that is more basketball related than a shirt.

This isn't basketball-related. not really. This is just people whining about how a sport might be rigged when it obviously isn't.

This is way more about poster personalities and way less about actual basketball.

ShaunRiching9
06-22-2009, 07:16 PM
It's not rigged.

Bones10564
06-22-2009, 07:21 PM
Rigged No - Influenced Yes...

bkmikeyy
06-22-2009, 07:23 PM
NO

New York Knicks the last decade......


case closed

geoffizfoshiz
06-22-2009, 07:28 PM
Pretty much all the "NBA is rigged" arguments got thrown out the window when it was Lakers vs Magic instead of Kobe vs LeBron...especially considering the Cavs barely put up a fight against the magic. The the fact that the lakers vs magic still put up very strong ratings proves that it would be stupid to even try to rig the NBA...there is no point. Even an unexpected series is capable of big numbers.

As far as the favoratism arguments...who cares? Superstars get superstar calls in pretty much every sport, and it has been that way in the NBA for a long long time. Also, I find it hard to believe that anyone here could do a decent job of reffing at the NBA level. With the crowd, cameras, pressure, and tremendous athletic ability - I'd like to see anyone in here not make a mistake. It is a very tough job, and to nitpick at calls here and there is senseless.

And to the idiot who is complaining about Amare and Diaw getting suspended - that was a rule that was institutde way before the incident, and every player who has broken the rule of not getting up during a fight has suffered the same exact punishment. It wasn't the NBA trying to screw Pheonix, it was Amare and Diaw being stupid and breaking rules that they were well aware of.

mzgrizz
06-22-2009, 07:39 PM
No,it is not rigged, but I agree with all the posters about some influence given to star players....guess that's human nature. The NBA really goes through a TON of referee monitoring during,before and after the games. There is an NBA employee at every game taking notes who then turns it in to the league. The refs go over tape at halftime and also after the game and then again days later.
No, it is not rigged. Maybe sometimes it makes us feel better to think so???

grega1976
06-22-2009, 07:49 PM
I don't think it's completely rigged but some teams get preferential treatment.. It's not really rigging it, it's just giving the teams that generate the most money for the NBA a little advantage... If I remember correctly even Pat Riley admitted that he got the majority of calls when he coached the Lakers... So no I don't think it's completely rigged as in such and such team will win this many games, but the NBA runs the buisness to be as profitable as possible... I would say that the officiating in the nba is FAR worse than any of the other MAJOR American sports...

mzgrizz
06-22-2009, 08:04 PM
Does that include the WWF ???? :D

grega1976
06-22-2009, 08:20 PM
Does that include the WWF ???? :D

nah i left that one out