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JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 01:01 AM
( 1 ) LA Lakers (65-17) vs. (5) Houston Rockets (53-29)


LA Lakers will have the Homecourt Advantage


LA Lakers Lead Series 2-1 Series Breakdown


Sun May 10, 2009 - Game 4 LA Lakers @ Houston 3:30 pm EDT ABC (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/preview?gid=2009051010)




The Houston Rockets are down 2-1 in their Western Conference semifinal against the Los Angeles Lakers and they’ll be down their best player for the rest of the series.

Yao Ming(notes) is out for the remainder of the playoffs with a broken left foot, the Rockets announced late Saturday.

Yao limped off the court late in the Lakers’ 108-94 victory on Friday night and underwent treatment Saturday. The Rockets originally said he would be re-evaluated by team doctor Tom Clanton before Sunday’s game.

But Clanton said later that further examination of Yao’s injury revealed a hairline fracture in his foot that will sideline him for 8-12 weeks. Clanton said Yao will have to wear a protective boot, but that the injury will not require surgery.




REGULAR SEASON SERIES
Lakers Won Season Series 4-0
November 9, 2008 Rockets 82 @ Lakers 111
January 13, 2009 Lakers 105 @ Rockets 100
March 11, 2009 Lakers 102 @ Rockets 96
April 3, 2009 Rockets 81 @ Lakers 93



http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp109/KHinrich12/Team%20Logos/Lakers.png Projected Starting Lineup

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PG - Derek Fisher
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Trevor Ariza
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Andrew Bynum




http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp109/KHinrich12/Team%20Logos/Rockets.png Projected Starting Lineup

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PG - Aaron Brooks
SG - Ron Artest
SF - Shane Battier
PF - Luis Scola
C - Yao Ming

superkegger
05-10-2009, 01:04 AM
No Yao = disaster. I think the Lakers will take it by 10 or so.

still1ballin
05-10-2009, 01:12 AM
Lakers win big. Gasol and Odom should have a big game offensively

lakers4sho
05-10-2009, 01:21 AM
3-1

although I hope the Lakers don't become too much overconfident

brandt
05-10-2009, 01:29 AM
As crazy as this sounds, the Rockets still have a chance to win a game. Not the series, but a game. This would allow Denver much rest if they sweep Dallas. For the most part, everytime Yao sat on the bench, the Rockets played better against the Lakers. Gasol was way to quick for Yao. But everytime he sat down, Addleman would put in a couple of the faster more athletic guys. All of a sudden you have a differn't team. I KNOW the Lakers are a great team, but I think a close win by the Rockets is possible.

superkegger
05-10-2009, 01:35 AM
They could, especially if the Lakers come out complacent. But I think that the talent is just too much on the Lakers side of the ball for them to fall into a hole so big they can't dig themselves out of this game. The Rockets will likely rally around themselves and come out with some fire, but I think it's just too big of a hurdle to overcome.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 01:38 AM
This series lost all its drama and fun. Well, maybe not its fun

what54!?
05-10-2009, 01:39 AM
no yao= done series. Lakers

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 01:42 AM
Once the Lakers won game 3, the Rockets were in bad shape. You need a really good team to knock off a top seeded team in the playoffs.

king4day
05-10-2009, 02:08 AM
Once the Lakers won game 3, the Rockets were in bad shape. You need a really good team to knock off a top seeded team in the playoffs.

Agreed. They were in trouble after the last loss, but without Yao, they MIGHT put up a fight the next game, but they are WAY too small to compete with gasol and bynum

Namy
05-10-2009, 02:30 AM
Yao's injury was unfortunate for him, his team, and this series. The Rockets had a legitimate chance to take this series out to 7 games and possibly win it. The Lakers will likely win the next two games now, however.

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 02:46 AM
Everyone saying that the Lakers will win big..so that means the Rockets are going to win. K cool.

EddieB
05-10-2009, 03:55 AM
Everyone saying that the Lakers will win big..so that means the Rockets are going to win. K cool.

AND YOUR A REALIST? :rolleyes:

bahama0811
05-10-2009, 10:10 AM
The Rockets are done without Yao. Better luck next year.

Afridi786
05-10-2009, 10:29 AM
Hard luck, they had a good shot against the Lakers this series.

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 11:45 AM
The Lakers should be motivated to finish this series as quickly as possible. Denver will not be a cakewalk.

Norg
05-10-2009, 12:25 PM
the series is not over Hayes and Lowey are no push overs and since yao is gone except them 2 get more time

we are just going to change are style up except fast breaks from the rockets and full court basketball

Verbal Christ
05-10-2009, 12:43 PM
good to see that the 'fun' level isnt lost on some of the basketball purists in here. if and when we lose this series i will cherish the *** whippings the nuggets are going to hand the lakers. Nugs vs. Cavs finals ... jot it down.

KW93KB24
05-10-2009, 01:17 PM
good to see that the 'fun' level isnt lost on some of the basketball purists in here. if and when we lose this series i will cherish the *** whippings the nuggets are going to hand the lakers. Nugs vs. Cavs finals ... jot it down.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: lol i cant believe this homer just said that, are u sure your not a little butt hurt that your team lost to us, and it goes to show what kind of "fan" you are if i were you i would still say the rockets are coming back and winning, but you already assume your team loses yeah your a great fan. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Reyes6
05-10-2009, 01:26 PM
Rockets win by 15... My Jack Daniel's bottle tells me so.

AllTheWay
05-10-2009, 02:16 PM
good to see that the 'fun' level isnt lost on some of the basketball purists in here. if and when we lose this series i will cherish the *** whippings the nuggets are going to hand the lakers. Nugs vs. Cavs finals ... jot it down.

Not the time and place for that....but the Nuggets will not beat the Lakers in the WCF....period.

Eagles_Guy
05-10-2009, 02:32 PM
I don't count the Nuggets out at all, those guys are for real.

still1ballin
05-10-2009, 02:37 PM
I wish Yao could play.

rapswin98
05-10-2009, 02:38 PM
I wish Yao could play.
why

EddieB
05-10-2009, 03:16 PM
I don't count the Nuggets out at all, those guys are for real.

Nuggets haven't face a defense in the playoffs

Reyes6
05-10-2009, 03:20 PM
Just wanted to say Good Luck to the Lakers today. They probably don't need it, but either way best of luck. Hope it's a good game at least.

Tick
05-10-2009, 03:42 PM
Lakers are getting their ***** whipped. Chuck Hayes speed and low post defense are going to cause Gasol problems all day.

superkegger
05-10-2009, 03:42 PM
Pretty lazy and complacent start by the Lakers.

Kings Faithful
05-10-2009, 03:43 PM
Lakers gettin their ***** WHOOPED in the first quarter! Go Adelman! Go Rockets!

Kings Faithful
05-10-2009, 03:46 PM
Rockets need to build this lead up as high as possible right now if they want to win this... I don't think anyone believes the Lakers won't come back at some point.

Kings Faithful
05-10-2009, 03:49 PM
T kobe up baby!

SC1211
05-10-2009, 03:49 PM
I really hope Chuck Hayes gets some due credit with this opportunity. He is one of the best pure lowpost defenders in the league.

_Sn1P3r_
05-10-2009, 03:59 PM
Lakers down big early on, gotta play much harder.

FOBolous
05-10-2009, 04:28 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: lol i cant believe this homer just said that, are u sure your not a little butt hurt that your team lost to us, and it goes to show what kind of "fan" you are if i were you i would still say the rockets are coming back and winning, but you already assume your team loses yeah your a great fan. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

LA fans doesn't have the right to call fans of other teams "homers."

king4day
05-10-2009, 04:28 PM
I don't think I've ever seen Kobe defended this well. It helps to have two guys who can defend like Houston does, but every shot he's taken/made has been well contested

FOBolous
05-10-2009, 04:30 PM
I don't think I've ever seen Kobe defended this well. It helps to have two guys who can defend like Houston does, but every shot he's taken/made has been well contested

it's been like that the whole series. Houston's defense has turned Kobe Bryant into a jump shooter

king4day
05-10-2009, 04:30 PM
Only 36 pts for the Lakers.
They aren't great defensivley, so if they aren't gonna score, then this game could get ugly in the second half.

superkegger
05-10-2009, 04:30 PM
****ing pathetic effort

king4day
05-10-2009, 04:32 PM
it's been like that the whole series. Houston's defense has turned Kobe Bryant into a jump shooter

I could be wrong, but I don't think Kobe has a layup or even attempt, this game.
His team is capable of getting past that, but they just look out of sorts.

superkegger
05-10-2009, 04:36 PM
I could be wrong, but I don't think Kobe has a layup or even attempt, this game.
His team is capable of getting past that, but they just look out of sorts.

We came out like the game was won, and had no effort or concentration, we played no defense, and then with the lack of effort, it just made the rockets d that much more effective.

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 04:37 PM
Great half by the Rockets.

TYoung21
05-10-2009, 04:38 PM
Kobe is lucky his miraculous shots are going down. Battier is glue on him

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 04:38 PM
I don't think I've ever seen Kobe defended this well. It helps to have two guys who can defend like Houston does, but every shot he's taken/made has been well contested

Kobe takes a lot of jumpers anyway.

superkegger
05-10-2009, 04:42 PM
Kobe is lucky his miraculous shots are going down. Battier is glue on him

it's not luck

king4day
05-10-2009, 04:45 PM
LA needs a fast start to the 3rd to get back in this and get the crowd out of it. If they make Houston a jump shooting team, then they can get back.
If the Rockets continue what they started and get this to 25pts or more, then there won't be a comeback.

NYMetros
05-10-2009, 04:51 PM
Lovin it.
Got to admire how Houston, without Dikembe, Yao, and McGrady are still fighting their hearts out.

Squad13
05-10-2009, 04:52 PM
Put in Byum for christ sakes, how many 2nd chance baskets can we give up? Great shot lamar wow we are a joke today.

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 04:53 PM
Houston Up by 20 in the 3rd

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 04:53 PM
AB 4 three

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 04:55 PM
This is the difference between Kobe and LeBron..LeBron would never allow his team to play this poorly..You can just tell by Kobe's body language that he doesn't care and wants to pout the rest of the game..no leadership at all..

The Lakers are a very mentally weak team..they showed that last year in the playoffs and it's rearing it's ugly head again.

Squad13
05-10-2009, 04:55 PM
I am so sick of Pau Gasol and Odom missing free throws.

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 04:55 PM
nice foul chuckwagon gasol misses both

Squad13
05-10-2009, 04:56 PM
This is the difference between Kobe and LeBron..LeBron would never allow his team to play this poorly..You can just tell by Kobe's body language that he doesn't care and wants to pout the rest of the game..no leadership at all..

The Lakers are a very mentally weak team..they showed that last year in the playoffs and it's rearing it's ugly head again.

You got my vote for stupidest post of the year.

Squad13
05-10-2009, 04:57 PM
Can we grab any rebounds?

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 04:58 PM
Artest and kobe r talkin again

superkegger
05-10-2009, 04:58 PM
ron artest just gave ariza the same elbow kobe did to him

Squad13
05-10-2009, 04:59 PM
I'm going to break something but the question is what?

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 04:59 PM
That's gotta hurt

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 04:59 PM
hahahahahah embarrassing..reminds me of game 5 last year against Boston..

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 05:00 PM
ron artest just gave ariza the same elbow kobe did to him

Knock it off..no he didn't. not even close. It just looked like it..watch it again. He was boxing him out.

superkegger
05-10-2009, 05:00 PM
hahahahahah embarrassing..reminds me of game 5 last year against Boston..

Lakers won game 5 against Boston there buddy.

Squad13
05-10-2009, 05:01 PM
This is the difference between Kobe and LeBron..LeBron would never allow his team to play this poorly..You can just tell by Kobe's body language that he doesn't care and wants to pout the rest of the game..no leadership at all..

The Lakers are a very mentally weak team..they showed that last year in the playoffs and it's rearing it's ugly head again.

You got my vote for stupidest post of the year.

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 05:01 PM
This is the difference between Kobe and LeBron..LeBron would never allow his team to play this poorly..You can just tell by Kobe's body language that he doesn't care and wants to pout the rest of the game..no leadership at all..

The Lakers are a very mentally weak team..they showed that last year in the playoffs and it's rearing it's ugly head again.

I'm tired of being a Realist...

FaceDown91
05-10-2009, 05:01 PM
lol lakers down by 27 against a team wtih t-mac and yao. If there struggling this bad, IF they get by thr rockets, they will probley get killed by the nuggets 4-1 next series.

madiaz3
05-10-2009, 05:01 PM
This is the difference between Kobe and LeBron..LeBron would never allow his team to play this poorly..You can just tell by Kobe's body language that he doesn't care and wants to pout the rest of the game..no leadership at all..

The Lakers are a very mentally weak team..they showed that last year in the playoffs and it's rearing it's ugly head again.

What are you talking about?

jimbobjarree
05-10-2009, 05:01 PM
haha, LA's smugness and over confidence deserved this

superkegger
05-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Knock it off..no he didn't. not even close. It just looked like it..watch it again. He was boxing him out.

he was boxing him out on a physical play and gave ariza an elbow/forearm to the throat.

XXXXXX
05-10-2009, 05:03 PM
Phil Jackson is a joke.

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 05:03 PM
What are you talking about?

Just keep watching the Lakers and Kobe's body language..they quit.

borat
05-10-2009, 05:03 PM
lol lakers down by 27 against a team wtih t-mac and yao. If there struggling this bad, IF they get by thr rockets, they will probley get killed by the nuggets 4-1 next series.

Without Yao yes.

T-Mac is garbage. Rockets are better without him

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 05:04 PM
So when LeBron got swept in the Finals, what was that?

A young 21 year old LeBron and an overrated Cavs team..things have changed.

XXXXXX
05-10-2009, 05:04 PM
10 mil for a coach who is an arrogant prick. He really is nothing special.

superkegger
05-10-2009, 05:05 PM
Hard fall by Lamar, ouch.

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:06 PM
Lakers r getting frustrated

Squad13
05-10-2009, 05:06 PM
A young 21 year old LeBron and an overrated Cavs team..things have changed.

You are obviously not very bright.

Squad13
05-10-2009, 05:06 PM
I've never seen a team get this many open 3's

OG "Dee" LOCc
05-10-2009, 05:07 PM
They need to play better defense if they actually want to at least make a comeback.

KmB728
05-10-2009, 05:07 PM
Good god! i just put on the game to see the Rockets killing it! what happend? with Yao out i expected the Lakers to just dominate

mzgrizz
05-10-2009, 05:07 PM
Should have started Farmar.

madiaz3
05-10-2009, 05:08 PM
A young 21 year old LeBron and an overrated Cavs team..things have changed.

It was only two years ago he was 22, quit making excuses.

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 05:08 PM
Fisher starts because of leadership.

KmB728
05-10-2009, 05:09 PM
:no: not in Scolas house

mzgrizz
05-10-2009, 05:11 PM
I thought Kobe was the leader of his team. 3 pointer by Farmar......my point is Farmar should have started!

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 05:12 PM
Everyone saying that the Lakers will win big..so that means the Rockets are going to win. K cool.

There's me preachin again...

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:12 PM
good team ball Rockets

SideWinder989
05-10-2009, 05:14 PM
god what a game by rockets... im starting to love them :D

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 05:15 PM
Well the good thing about this is the Rockets would have another home game. Hopefully they can win this one and the next home game and put all of the pressure on LA in game 7.

NYMetros
05-10-2009, 05:15 PM
Where's all the Lakers fans that predicted a sweep?

Hoopsadvocate
05-10-2009, 05:16 PM
How the heck are the rockets up by this much without yao ming and against the Lakers smh

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 05:17 PM
Where's all the Lakers fans that predicted a sweep?

They all thought the trophy would just be handed to them..boy are they sorely mistaken.

Lebron23
05-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Rockets are on fire.

madiaz3
05-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Where's all the Lakers fans that predicted a sweep?

The Rockets won game one, why would anyone have been thinking about a sweep now of all times?

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 05:19 PM
OHHHH Chris Rock alley oop!!!!!!!!

NYMetros
05-10-2009, 05:20 PM
The Rockets won game one, why would anyone have been thinking about a sweep now of all times?

Before the series started a lot of Lakers fans thought this series would be a cakewalk and they would win in 4 or 5.

Game_Over
05-10-2009, 05:20 PM
Does Houston get better with injuries??

F()()TBALL
05-10-2009, 05:21 PM
now that alley-oop was just silly.
farmar was lost.

lakersfan211
05-10-2009, 05:21 PM
it aint like these scrubs will beat us in this series , knowing us we will bounce back and send these overacheivers back home where they belong .

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:21 PM
OHHHH Chris Rock alley oop!!!!!!!!

was nasty

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 05:22 PM
This is strange as hell. But I think having Yao in the lineup slows the team down. Now they can run with the lineup they have.

madiaz3
05-10-2009, 05:23 PM
Before the series started a lot of Lakers fans thought this series would be a cakewalk and they would win in 4 or 5.

Besides the fact that have the highest concentration of fans (making more radical opinions much more common), I assumed all of the "WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SWEEP?" talks would have ended after game 1. Seems silly to bring it up for game 4.

F()()TBALL
05-10-2009, 05:23 PM
This series lost all its drama and fun. Well, maybe not its fun

yeah the drama sure isnt there but im having alot of fun!:laugh:

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:23 PM
it aint like these scrubs will beat us in this series , knowing us we will bounce back and send these overacheivers back home where they belong .

and then get bounced by Denver:cry::cry::cry::cry:

lakersfan211
05-10-2009, 05:24 PM
but i will say this right now we dont look like we can win a title.

lakersfan211
05-10-2009, 05:26 PM
denver may beat us , aint gonna lie about that but these scrubs aint.

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:26 PM
put the Chuck wagon back on Gasol

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:29 PM
denver may beat us , aint gonna lie about that but these scrubs aint.

These "scrubs" aren't just beating you now they are breaking a foot off in your collective A$$e$:cry::cry:

Bullsfan22
05-10-2009, 05:29 PM
holy shiiiet the lakers are getting spanked just urned the game on to see this score.

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 05:29 PM
85-62 with 9 minutes left. Come on Rockets, don't back off now.

GodsSon
05-10-2009, 05:31 PM
let this game serve as a lesson in humility for you laker fans...i saw a lot of you talking about the series was already a wrap prior to even knowing Yao was out...its good to be quietly confident in your team, but when you openly brag that a series has ended when its only 2-1 is just asking for people to throw it right back in your face.

lakersfan211
05-10-2009, 05:32 PM
yeah they are but they will not win this series.

madiaz3
05-10-2009, 05:34 PM
let this game serve as a lesson in humility for you laker fans...i saw a lot of you talking about the series was already a wrap prior to even knowing Yao was out...its good to be quietly confident in your team, but when you openly brag that a series has ended when its only 2-1 is just asking for people to throw it right back in your face.

Cool, bro.

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:34 PM
let this game serve as a lesson in humility for you laker fans...i saw a lot of you talking about the series was already a wrap prior to even knowing yao was out...its good to be quietly confident in your team, but when you openly brag that a series has ended when its only 2-1 is just asking for people to throw it right back in your face.

x2

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:34 PM
and one 4 Lowry

SideWinder989
05-10-2009, 05:35 PM
let this game serve as a lesson in humility for you laker fans...i saw a lot of you talking about the series was already a wrap prior to even knowing Yao was out...its good to be quietly confident in your team, but when you openly brag that a series has ended when its only 2-1 is just asking for people to throw it right back in your face.

great said ! :clap:

BoSelecta!!!
05-10-2009, 05:36 PM
talk about toughness! Win or lose, our bulldogs will guarantee you it will not be easy!

dolfan720
05-10-2009, 05:36 PM
denver may beat us , aint gonna lie about that but these scrubs aint.

not the way there playing right now. I think the rockets could upset yo ***** *****.

OG "Dee" LOCc
05-10-2009, 05:36 PM
Cool, bro.

lmfao :laugh:

dolfan720
05-10-2009, 05:36 PM
and one 4 Lowry

hell yeah!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Lakerfrk
05-10-2009, 05:40 PM
Ya know.... when we leave the Rockets open for shot after shot... of course they are going to make them..

starting to play defense later on doesnt help if they are already in a rhythm. I hate to say it, and as much as I respect the Rockets... they didnt really WIN this game as much as we handed them the win.

Lebron23
05-10-2009, 05:41 PM
Aaron Brooks is playing like an All Star.

championships
05-10-2009, 05:43 PM
Lakers are ******* pathetic. Way to show up for a playoff game:mad: No excuses for this one. They just didn't show up. I'm embarassed and I don't even play for the team.

Catfish1314
05-10-2009, 05:44 PM
ron artest just gave ariza the same elbow kobe did to him

The blow Kobe gave Artest was far more vicious, not to mention dangerous.

What's happening today is not entirely the Lakers fault. Yes, their defense has been pretty pitiful. But the Rockets, other than Ron Artest, are shooting the lights out. Magic Johnson made a good point at halftime. The Rockets are a slower paced team with Yao Ming. They have to be. Take him out of the equation and they play at a much faster pace. If the Lakers are a championship caliber team, they should have been able to make an immediate adjustment to the pace and style the Rockets were playing and overcome it. The Cavs and Nuggets are playing much better basketball right now.

Why is Kobe back in the game?

lakerboy
05-10-2009, 05:45 PM
No excuses. We suck

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:45 PM
boy Lakers makin a run

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 05:45 PM
WTF!! Why would Kobe come back in now?

Bullsfan22
05-10-2009, 05:47 PM
WTF!! Why would Kobe come back in now?

to pad his stats...he saw what lebron did last game.

championships
05-10-2009, 05:47 PM
Too late to decide to start playing now

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:49 PM
gasol showin up in the 4th

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:50 PM
ice these freethrows shane

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 05:55 PM
Talk about filler stats..man Brown and Gasol are just padding their stats..get them out of the game. Unless you want them to get hurt.

NYtilIdie
05-10-2009, 05:58 PM
LOL "MVP" chants for Scola. Damn it seems like everybody gets that chant nowadays. Way to show up Lakers you guys were so confident that you were going to win only to get ran out of Houston with your tails tucked between your legs. Show up like this against Denver and their gonna have a field day.

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 05:59 PM
series tied 2-2 baby

superkegger
05-10-2009, 06:01 PM
Horrible game from the Lakers, just pathetic

bahama0811
05-10-2009, 06:01 PM
Big game for the Rockets!!! I'm pretty surprised that they won another game in this series without Yao.

handbanana55
05-10-2009, 06:02 PM
Lakers win big. Gasol and Odom should have a big game offensively

Good Call Bro

LakerKB24Fan
05-10-2009, 06:03 PM
the worst part is now the Lakers have given Houston hope and confidense. They will now think and start to play that they can beat the lakers without Yao. Instead of coming out and crushing all their hope of coming back to this series, Lakers came out flat.

JMT
05-10-2009, 06:04 PM
This will significantly change the Lakers strategy that some LA fans have complianed about earlier in the series. Bynum was sitting because of his complete ineffectiveness on defense with Yao in the game. He did nothing on the boards vs the Houston front line either, seemingly content to simply shoot every time he touched the ball.

Houston's small ball approach worked today, but it won't win the series. Game 4's result was a combination of Houston focus, LA complacency, and home court.

With the huge size advantage now gone, compromising the Rockets ability to play the zone that was giving the Lakers trouble, Bynum's minutes will increase. Probably a good thing, too, as he'll be important against Denver.

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 06:06 PM
the worst part is now the Lakers have given Houston hope and confidense. They will now think and start to play that they can beat the lakers without Yao. Instead of coming out and crushing all their hope of coming back to this series, Lakers came out flat.

That's a good thing for Houston.

DreamShaker
05-10-2009, 06:07 PM
Rockets have an amazing amount of heart. No way they win this series but I'm proud to be a fan of this team.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 06:08 PM
Lakers just dont have the mentality to win a championship. They will get by the Rockets, and probably the Nuggets on talent alone. But they came out and showed they dont give two sh**s about defense. The Cavs would wipe the floor with them

brandt
05-10-2009, 06:10 PM
the worst part is now the Lakers have given Houston hope and confidense. They will now think and start to play that they can beat the lakers without Yao. Instead of coming out and crushing all their hope of coming back to this series, Lakers came out flat.

Bull Crap. The thing that alot of people didn't realize, is that the Rocket's team, as well as every Houston fan already knew we could beat the lakers without Yao. No one listened though. Lakers didn't come out FLAT, we just FLAT out beat you. No excuses.

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 06:11 PM
I think LA should've exploited the size advantage Pau Gasol provides BEFORE the game was inevidably lost. In game 5 they should force feed the ball to Gasol right away, because without the interior presence of Yao the Lakers have a clear advantage going inside.

Houston played with alot of heart tonight. Sure Brooks was terrific, but Shane Battier and Luis Scola are the unquestionable leaders of that team and they carried Houston emotionally tonight. Noticed how Scola calmed down after Artest tried to get into Ariza's face after a rebound battle?

Hoopsadvocate
05-10-2009, 06:11 PM
Had the lakers winning the title, this seriously makes me rethink that, they showed they are not championship caliber.

Verbal Christ
05-10-2009, 06:13 PM
looked to me like the lakers thought we would just roll over, inspiring effort from all of the rockets today, and if the lakers dont act like they really want to win this thing it could very well be one of the biggest upsets in a long time. and i still dont think you could beat the nuggets (i dont think we could beat the nuggets at this point either)

brandt
05-10-2009, 06:13 PM
Rockets have an amazing amount of heart. No way they win this series but I'm proud to be a fan of this team.

What? How could you be proud to be a fan of the Rockets, if you're predicting they're going to lose the series after an amazing win like that?

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 06:14 PM
Also, the Lakers bench is flat out awful. Sasha used to be a pest to opposing teams. Now he is a pest to the Lakers and me more importantly. Walton makes the worst basketball decisions on the team and that is saying something. Farmar showed up exactly once this year since November, and Bynum looks like a lost puppy. They are embarrassing

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 06:15 PM
Lakers just dont have the mentality to win a championship. They will get by the Rockets, and probably the Nuggets on talent alone. But they came out and showed they dont give two sh**s about defense. The Cavs would wipe the floor with them

If the Lakers play with the inconsistency and complacency they have been so far this postseason, they will be hard pressed to beat Denver in my opinion. If Denver continues to play as well as they have been, I actually pick them to beat the Lakers.

Not once have the Lakers truly proven they can grind it out. They have continued to allow inferior talented squads to have a chance of beating them. Versus a team as talented and deep as Denver LA will need to play heaps better to even win a close series.

Verbal Christ
05-10-2009, 06:16 PM
What? How could you be proud to be a fan of the Rockets, if you're predicting they're going to lose the series after an amazing win like that?

its what seperates the die hards from the fair weather fans. didnt think it was that hard to understand, guess i was wrong. :rolleyes:

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 06:16 PM
Lakers just dont have the mentality to win a championship. They will get by the Rockets, and probably the Nuggets on talent alone. But they came out and showed they dont give two sh**s about defense. The Cavs would wipe the floor with them

Denver has been playing with a lot of heart and now after getting out of round 1 they will be believing they can win it all.

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 06:18 PM
I love how Laker fans won't even give the Rockets props..it's always "We came out flat"..lol maybe your just not that good and your not tough enough to hang??

superkegger
05-10-2009, 06:20 PM
I love how Laker fans won't even give the Rockets props..it's always "We came out flat"..lol maybe your just not that good and your not tough enough to hang??

Why should we give any props, when rockets fans did the same damn thing?

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 06:22 PM
Why should we give any props, when rockets fans did the same damn thing?

You can show your real class..instead of stepping down to their level? But typical LA...No class. All fake!!

TEXASTITAN
05-10-2009, 06:23 PM
The lakers are fakers..... This team is weak up front and play like they are scared....If this game tought you nothing ''Never underestimate the heart of a champion'' Houston is clutch city and they ran the lakers off the floor.

Verbal Christ
05-10-2009, 06:23 PM
Why should we give any props, when rockets fans did the same damn thing?


:cry: :cry: :cry:

astrosmaniac
05-10-2009, 06:23 PM
I think LA should've exploited the size advantage Pau Gasol provides BEFORE the game was inevidably lost. In game 5 they should force feed the ball to Gasol right away, because without the interior presence of Yao the Lakers have a clear advantage going inside.

Houston played with alot of heart tonight. Sure Brooks was terrific, but Shane Battier and Luis Scola are the unquestionable leaders of that team and they carried Houston emotionally tonight. Noticed how Scola calmed down after Artest tried to get into Ariza's face after a rebound battle?

they went to gasol early, but he just wasnt getting anything on hayes. he was like 0-3 or 04 to start the game so they stopped going to him until that had no other choice

Verbal Christ
05-10-2009, 06:24 PM
hayes was punking pau all afternoon long, dude is legit on the defensive side.

KeithLBC
05-10-2009, 06:25 PM
Congrats on the win. You guys played with more intensity, moved the ball better and played better defense. Hopefully the Lakers players see this as a wake up call and step it up next game.

If you guys want to gloat about it, fine. Just don't be surprised if Lakers fans do the same if we win next game.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 06:25 PM
If the Lakers play with the inconsistency and complacency they have been so far this postseason, they will be hard pressed to beat Denver in my opinion. If Denver continues to play as well as they have been, I actually pick them to beat the Lakers.

Not once have the Lakers truly proven they can grind it out. They have continued to allow inferior talented squads to have a chance of beating them. Versus a team as talented and deep as Denver LA will need to play heaps better to even win a close series.


Denver has been playing with a lot of heart and now after getting out of round 1 they will be believing they can win it all.

I understand that. Denver has looked amazing. But basketball is about match ups. The Rockets match up really well with the Lakers (when healthy). They have Artest and Battier and good team defense that do not foul.

Denver on the other hand has nobody to guard Kobe. They tried to use one of their big men on him and allowed Gasol and Odom to run wild on them. The Lakers have beaten the Nuggets 9 out of the last 10 match ups. They won 2 of 3 vs the Nuggets with Billups.

Utah and the Rockets were the teams that matched up with the Lakers the best. And even though the Nuggets beat up on the walking wounded Hornets and another soft team in Dallas, I am not ready to say they are the ready to play with the Lakers. Because I really believe, if the Lakers played the Hornets and Dallas for the first and second round, and the Nuggets played the Jazz and Rockets, people would be saying "look how good the Lakers look" Nobody can stop them.

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 06:25 PM
You can show your real class..instead of stepping down to their level? But typical LA...No class. All fake!!

I find it classless that someone ruins a perfectly good discussion with pointless prattle...regardless of who you;re rooting for.

I wish people would keep the discussion strictly about basketball without resorting to personal insults.

Bah.

Reyes6
05-10-2009, 06:29 PM
Congrats on the win. You guys played with more intensity, moved the ball better and played better defense. Hopefully the Lakers players see this as a wake up call and step it up next game.

If you guys want to gloat about it, fine. Just don't be surprised if Lakers fans do the same if we win next game.



Let's end the gloating. 2 good teams are going at it and I don't feel like gloating because one team wins one night and the next night the other one does. Let's wait...

Until after the series is over until we prove who the best team is. How's Odom btw?

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 06:32 PM
I understand that. Denver has looked amazing. But basketball is about match ups. The Rockets match up really well with the Lakers (when healthy). They have Artest and Battier and good team defense that do not foul.

Denver on the other hand has nobody to guard Kobe. They tried to use one of their big men on him and allowed Gasol and Odom to run wild on them. The Lakers have beaten the Nuggets 9 out of the last 10 match ups. They won 2 of 3 vs the Nuggets with Billups.

Utah and the Rockets were the teams that matched up with the Lakers the best. And even though the Nuggets beat up on the walking wounded Hornets and another soft team in Dallas, I am not ready to say they are the ready to play with the Lakers. Because I really believe, if the Lakers played the Hornets and Dallas for the first and second round, and the Nuggets played the Jazz and Rockets, people would be saying "look how good the Lakers look" Nobody can stop them.

The Lakers have also had Houstons number in the regular season. Game 4 was enough proof that it doesn't matter anymore in the playoffs what happened in past meetings, because teams are only as good as their last game played. Thus, the fact that LA has beaten Denver in the regular season doesn't mean much either.

What was then was THEN and what is now is NOW. If the Lakers play at the level they have been playing so far this postseason, I don't like their chances against a Denver team that is really playing at the highest level all season. The Denver Nuggets can not only match LA's athleticism and versatility...but they are also really physical...more physical than the Lakers.

If I was a Laker fan I would be really scared of the Nuggets.

superkegger
05-10-2009, 06:36 PM
The Lakers have also had Houstons number in the regular season. Game 4 was enough proof that it doesn't matter anymore in the playoffs what happened in past meetings, because teams are only as good as their last game played. Thus, the fact that LA has beaten Denver in the regular season doesn't mean much either.

What was then was THEN and what is now is NOW. If the Lakers play at the level they have been playing so far this postseason, I don't like their chances against a Denver team that is really playing at the highest level all season. The Denver Nuggets can not only match LA's athleticism and versatility...but they are also really physical...more physical than the Lakers.

If I was a Laker fan I would be really scared of the Nuggets.

Don't really care about the Nuggets right now. They're nowhere in my thought process.

TEXASTITAN
05-10-2009, 06:36 PM
Let's end the gloating. 2 good teams are going at it and I don't feel like gloating because one team wins one night and the next night the other one does. Let's wait...

Until after the series is over until we prove who the best team is. How's Odom btw?





The underdog team loses their star player for the series and promptly comes out to beat down the #1 seed and nobody is supposed to ''gloat''. Sorry i don't agree with you. Even if you win the series you wouldn't have beaten our best team just the guys that were healthy enough to go out there. But it doesn't matter anyway the lakers have been exposed as fakers they look nothing like the #1 seed in the west and the team to challenge boston/cleveland/orlando for the title. They have been exposed as a soft team that is reluctant to play defense and when kobe doesn't carry your team you can't win. Whereas the rockets lost their best player and thrived. Good luck the rest of this series but i think your team has been exposed and NOBODY is scared of LA.

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 06:39 PM
Don't really care about the Nuggets right now. They're nowhere in my thought process.

Was it any different once you heard Yao went down, if I may ask?

still1ballin
05-10-2009, 06:39 PM
good win by houston

lakersrock
05-10-2009, 06:40 PM
I love how Laker fans won't even give the Rockets props..it's always "We came out flat"..lol maybe your just not that good and your not tough enough to hang??

To be fair though, LA has sucked in two games and barely lost. In the two games they played really good, it wasn't even close. That tells you who the better team is. Yeah, Houston won today, but the 4th Quarter clearly showed Gasol abusing them in the paint. Too bad we waited until the 4th Quarter, down by 29 to do it.

FOBolous
05-10-2009, 06:41 PM
Congrats on the win. You guys played with more intensity, moved the ball better and played better defense. Hopefully the Lakers players see this as a wake up call and step it up next game.

If you guys want to gloat about it, fine. Just don't be surprised if Lakers fans do the same if we win next game.

i'm sure yall will...yall gloated plenty before the series started saying stuff like "it's going to be a sweep" and "Lakers in 4." After Game 3...there's even a LA fan saying "The Lakers have this series wrapped up" even though every single win was a struggle for the Lakers.


I love how the Rockets keep humbling the Lakers and their fans :)

fredv
05-10-2009, 06:43 PM
Aaron Iverson

FOBolous
05-10-2009, 06:43 PM
let this game serve as a lesson in humility for you laker fans...i saw a lot of you talking about the series was already a wrap prior to even knowing Yao was out...its good to be quietly confident in your team, but when you openly brag that a series has ended when its only 2-1 is just asking for people to throw it right back in your face.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 06:43 PM
The Lakers have also had Houstons number in the regular season. Game 4 was enough proof that it doesn't matter anymore in the playoffs what happened in past meetings, because teams are only as good as their last game played. Thus, the fact that LA has beaten Denver in the regular season doesn't mean much either.

What was then was THEN and what is now is NOW. If the Lakers play at the level they have been playing so far this postseason, I don't like their chances against a Denver team that is really playing at the highest level all season. The Denver Nuggets can not only match LA's athleticism and versatility...but they are also really physical...more physical than the Lakers.

If I was a Laker fan I would be really scared of the Nuggets.

Well I am a Laker fan and I am most definitely not scared of the Nuggets. Nene is their only big man that likes to bang. They dont have the same plethora of big men that the Rockets or even the Jazz had. Hopefully the media can keep telling the Lakers that the Nuggets are a great team, because that is the only time they seem to get up for a team. They got up for the Cavs and Celtics because they felt they were worthy of it. They got up for the Rockets during the regular season because during the off season, everyone said the Rockets would be the team to beat.

The Rockets got the Lakers attention in game one, and L.A. proceeded to act like they wanted to win the next two games. Yao gets hurt and they let their guard down once again.

That is why I think they are not ready to win a ring. They think they are entitled to it. They think they are better than they really are. And with that bench, they are feeding themselves false bravado. They are not playing with no urgency unless they feel threatened. And that is just a sad sad case.

Maybe the Nuggets do beat them. But I wont look at them beating up on a broken down team or a team who the Lakers have no trouble with either as the reason they could beat the Lakers.

pippsux
05-10-2009, 06:46 PM
Great team win, proving once again that Adelman is a very underrated and disrespected coach. You take away his go to player, they still make the playoffs. You take away his back up center, they still get out of the 1st round. You take away the other go to player half way in a tough series and they come out and beat the favored Lakers in every aspect of the game. Players get a lot of credit, but Adelman got this team ready on both ends in what could easily be a bad game. Oh, I forgot, the team won despite a cameo from "BAD" Artest.

2-2 baby,I called this in 7 and I still believe!

superkegger
05-10-2009, 06:47 PM
Was it any different once you heard Yao went down, if I may ask?

Somewhat. before the game I said this.


They could, especially if the Lakers come out complacent. But I think that the talent is just too much on the Lakers side of the ball for them to fall into a hole so big they can't dig themselves out of this game. The Rockets will likely rally around themselves and come out with some fire, but I think it's just too big of a hurdle to overcome.

While I was wrong about the outcome, I was right that the Lakers came out complacent, and that they fell into a big hole, and that the Rockets would come out and rally around eachother. I was just wrong on the Lakers being composed enough to be able to withstand it and comeback.

When I heard Yao went down, I dismissed the Rockets chances of winning the series. But apparently so did the Lakers, and were just very complacent out there and thought the game would just win itself. It was a pathetic effort from the Lakers both offensively and defensively, and a great one from the Rockets defensively and offensively.

But even if I don't think the Rockets will win the series, you never look ahead, when you look ahead, all the sudden you look behind you and you're in trouble.

The only thing I can hope for from this game is that for god damn once this team learns something from a game, and doesn't let it repeat itself. But that's probably hoping for way to god damn much.

Zefflin
05-10-2009, 06:47 PM
Maybe the Nuggets do beat them.

That's if we can get past the Rockets...

brandt
05-10-2009, 06:47 PM
Congrats on the win. You guys played with more intensity, moved the ball better and played better defense. Hopefully the Lakers players see this as a wake up call and step it up next game.

If you guys want to gloat about it, fine. Just don't be surprised if Lakers fans do the same if we win next game.

Thanks. Not at all. I'll be one of the first ones to congratulate next win.

lakersrock
05-10-2009, 06:49 PM
Well I am a Laker fan and I am most definitely not scared of the Nuggets. Nene is their only big man that likes to bang. They dont have the same plethora of big men that the Rockets or even the Jazz had. Hopefully the media can keep telling the Lakers that the Nuggets are a great team, because that is the only time they seem to get up for a team. They got up for the Cavs and Celtics because they felt they were worthy of it. They got up for the Rockets during the regular season because during the off season, everyone said the Rockets would be the team to beat.

The Rockets got the Lakers attention in game one, and L.A. proceeded to act like they wanted to win the next two games. Yao gets hurt and they let their guard down once again.

That is why I think they are not ready to win a ring. They think they are entitled to it. They think they are better than they really are. And with that bench, they are feeding themselves false bravado. They are not playing with no urgency unless they feel threatened. And that is just a sad sad case.

Maybe the Nuggets do beat them. But I wont look at them beating up on a broken down team or a team who the Lakers have no trouble with either as the reason they could beat the Lakers.

Agreed. If they'd decide they want to win instead of having games handed to them, they would have easily swept the Rockets. Instead, they're at 2-2 and will have to continue fighting. I'm so tired of watching them pull this crap. They need to just go out there and bust their butts. Kobe was the only player to show up in the 1st Half and because of it, they got their tails kicked until they decided to show up.

TEXASTITAN
05-10-2009, 06:58 PM
Agreed. If they'd decide they want to win instead of having games handed to them, they would have easily swept the Rockets. Instead, they're at 2-2 and will have to continue fighting. I'm so tired of watching them pull this crap. They need to just go out there and bust their butts. Kobe was the only player to show up in the 1st Half and because of it, they got their tails kicked until they decided to show up.





I think thats a poor and unexceptable excuse for your team losing today. I mean hey it's not like you lost your BEST player for the rest of the playoffs. Lets pretend for a moment that you sat kobe for this game and take away his points you would've easily lost by 35.

JoeRealist
05-10-2009, 06:59 PM
lakers win big. Gasol and odom should have a big game offensively

lol..fail!

Teeboy1487
05-10-2009, 07:01 PM
Houston played very hard today and the lakers did not match their intensity. Houston was the hungrier team today and the lakers played with no intensity until the 4th quarter. That was the story of the game.

still1ballin
05-10-2009, 07:02 PM
lol..fail!

lol we're even....lets see whos prediction wins next time:p

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 07:07 PM
I think thats a poor and unexceptable excuse for your team losing today. I mean hey it's not like you lost your BEST player for the rest of the playoffs. Lets pretend for a moment that you sat kobe for this game and take away his points you would've easily lost by 35.

You make no sense in any of your post. You act as if the Rockets played with T-Mac and Yao, along with Mutumbo, the Rockets would have won by 53. You cant just add how many points a player averages to the total outcome.

Lets say Yao was not hurt, you would not have seen the Lakers come out so complacent. The Rockets still might have won by the same margin, but they might not have been up by 29. Yao might not have been able to contain Pau the way Hayes did. Brooks might not have been able to have the freedom he had to have such a good game with a 7'6 Chinese man clogging the paint. The defense that the Lakers had prepared for the Rockets with Yao in there, might have been a little more effective if he was actually in the game.

Lakersfan2483
05-10-2009, 07:11 PM
The Lakers were flat out terrible today and were an embarrassment, but I still expect them to win this series. I expect them to win game 5 and wrap it up in Houston.

Lakersfan2483
05-10-2009, 07:13 PM
Boston went through some struggles last year in their title run, but they perservered and won the title. I believe this adversity that LA is facing is good for them and will prepare them as they advance.

TEXASTITAN
05-10-2009, 07:20 PM
There is absolutely no reason or excuse that you can put in front of the fans to explain the #1 seed with all their starters being down by 29 pts late in the 3rd and eventually losing the game to the undermanned #5 seed with their 2 best players injured and their 3rd scoring option artest only had 8 pts. Simply no excuse they were outplayed.

More-Than-Most
05-10-2009, 07:21 PM
Boston went through some struggles last year in their title run, but they perservered and won the title. I believe this adversity that LA is facing is good for them and will prepare them as they advance.

Boston had heart and defense... Thats 2 things the lakers lack and 2 things that I doubt they can overcome. This series they probably will get by but I doubt they will be as fortunate when they play Denver.

PHX-SOXFAN
05-10-2009, 07:23 PM
Lakers win big. Gasol and Odom should have a big game offensively

yikes.:o I see lots of overconfidence from lakerfan. still a good series of even matched teams.

rapswin98
05-10-2009, 07:23 PM
the lakers played with no heart no passion, and gasol.... no yao in the line up and gasol still played like a *****, kobe cant do it all every game. maybe the lakers need to go through what the celtics went through last year and finaly wake up next round if they get there. Rockets are jus playing like they jus want it more.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Aww, there you are PHX-SOXFAN! I have not seen you lately. I knew as soon as the Lakers lost you would come in to get your cheap shots. Step right up

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 07:27 PM
I am still dumbfounded people are blaming the one player that showed up tonight. Hayes in no way contained Gasol. No Houston played did. The Lakers were just too stubborn to pass Gasol the rock consistently, until the fourth quarter where the tactic proved very effective.

Gasol shot 11-17 HOW in freakin heavens name is he contained? Kobe shot 7-17 meanwhile and didn't even get to the free throw line...while Gasol was always aggressive going to the hoop.

sciferguy
05-10-2009, 07:29 PM
Not the time and place for that....but the Nuggets will not beat the Lakers in the WCF....period.

oh yeah...because bynum is so great i bet huh 0 points...i'm tired of everyone inflating lakers players like they are so great...you have 1 great player...1....although he is the best in the nba...you can't win with a bunch of streaky sub-par players

still1ballin
05-10-2009, 07:29 PM
yikes.:o I see lots of overconfidence from lakerfan. still a good series of even matched teams.

You come when lakers lose, but how come you never come into these threads and post when the lakers win?:rolleyes:

PHX-SOXFAN
05-10-2009, 07:32 PM
You come when lakers lose, but how come you never come into these threads and post when the lakers win?:rolleyes:

I was in here after game three as well. maybe you missed it.

Do you guys have any more predictions for the upcoming games in this series?:eyebrow:

Lakersfan2483
05-10-2009, 07:39 PM
I am still dumbfounded people are blaming the one player that showed up tonight. Hayes in no way contained Gasol. No Houston played did. The Lakers were just too stubborn to pass Gasol the rock consistently, until the fourth quarter where the tactic proved very effective.

Gasol shot 11-17 HOW in freakin heavens name is he contained? Kobe shot 7-17 meanwhile and didn't even get to the free throw line...while Gasol was always aggressive going to the hoop.

The entire team played terrible and Gasol's stats were an aberration as he had very little impact on the game in terms of what he did the first 3 quarters of the game. (When it actually mattered) In the 4th quarter, the Rockets' stepped off of the gas as many teams do when they have a large lead. Gasol stepped up during basically "garbage" time as the game was out of LA's reach.

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 07:42 PM
The entire team played terrible and Gasol's stats were an aberration as he had very little impact on the game in terms of what he did the first 3 quarters of the game. (When it actually mattered) In the 4th quarter, the Rockets' stepped off of the gas as many teams do when they have a large lead.

That's because he hardly got any touches down low during that stretch. The Lakers shot themselves out of the game because they kept firing away from the perimeter.

Don't pretend as if I didn't watch the game.

sciferguy
05-10-2009, 07:42 PM
I understand that. Denver has looked amazing. But basketball is about match ups. The Rockets match up really well with the Lakers (when healthy). They have Artest and Battier and good team defense that do not foul.

Denver on the other hand has nobody to guard Kobe. They tried to use one of their big men on him and allowed Gasol and Odom to run wild on them. The Lakers have beaten the Nuggets 9 out of the last 10 match ups. They won 2 of 3 vs the Nuggets with Billups.



I hate to tell you this but that doesnt mean anything in the playoffs...You guys swept Houston..now houston is making you guys look like you might not even belong in the 3rd round..

TEXASTITAN
05-10-2009, 07:44 PM
The entire team played terrible and Gasol's stats were an aberration as he had very little impact on the game in terms of what he did the first 3 quarters of the game. (When it actually mattered) In the 4th quarter, the Rockets' stepped off of the gas as many teams do when they have a large lead. Gasol stepped up during basically "garbage" time as the game was out of LA's reach.



No excuses they were out played. The ''rockets stepped off the gas'' because they ran you off of their floor the the first 3 quarters and were exausted. Your team was schooled by the dude that was the backup pg for most of the year for houston.

mightybosstone
05-10-2009, 07:45 PM
I am still dumbfounded people are blaming the one player that showed up tonight. Hayes in no way contained Gasol. No Houston played did. The Lakers were just too stubborn to pass Gasol the rock consistently, until the fourth quarter where the tactic proved very effective.

Gasol shot 11-17 HOW in freakin heavens name is he contained? Kobe shot 7-17 meanwhile and didn't even get to the free throw line...while Gasol was always aggressive going to the hoop.

********.... he was 7/9 with 17 points in the 3rd quarter... Before that, he was only 4/8 for 13 points in the first 3 quarters. It's easy to get points when you get all of them in trash time when your team is down 29 points at the end of 3. Gasol was no more effective than the rest of the Lakers....

Lakersfan2483
05-10-2009, 07:48 PM
That's because he hardly got any touches down low during that stretch. The Lakers shot themselves out of the game because they kept firing away from the perimeter.

Don't pretend as if I didn't watch the game too.

His points were meaningless as they came after the game was out of hand. He was awful defensively in terms of protecting the paint and grabbing rebounds, he had very little impact on the game. He didn't get touches because he wasn't aggressively demanding the ball, he has to assert himself down low. None of that matters though, the "entire" team was terrible today.

*You may have watched it, but your analysis of Gasol's game is bad. He had very little impact on the game and most of his scoring came when the Rockets had already let off of the gas.

TEXASTITAN
05-10-2009, 07:48 PM
If the la fakers diddn't hit that 11-20 3pt shots in game 3 after today's loss they would be looking at a 3-1 deficit. If you think about it houston could be up 3-1 instead of tied 2-2 your fortunate LA.

Lakersfan2483
05-10-2009, 07:49 PM
********.... he was 7/9 with 17 points in the 3rd quarter... Before that, he was only 4/8 for 13 points in the first 3 quarters. It's easy to get points when you get all of them in trash time when your team is down 29 points at the end of 3. Gasol was no more effective than the rest of the Lakers....

Exactly.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 07:50 PM
I hate to tell you this but that doesnt mean anything in the playoffs...You guys swept Houston..now houston is making you guys look like you might not even belong in the 3rd round..

I understand that the outcome of regular season games dont indicate how it would turn out in the playoffs. But the match ups dont change unless someone is injured. And the Nuggets dont match up well with the Lakers. They didnt in last years playoffs either after they were swept in the regular season. They did manage to beat the Lakers when the Lakers were on a back to back though. So props to them for that.

But as I have been saying, just because they are not having trouble with the beat up Hornets or the Mavs who everybody knew the Lakers would rather play than the Jazz, does not mean they are all of a sudden better than the Lakers. The Lakers have just had tougher competition. And if the Mavs knew how to commit a foul, that series should be 2-1 right now

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 07:50 PM
********.... he was 7/9 with 17 points in the 3rd quarter... Before that, he was only 4/8 for 13 points in the first 3 quarters. It's easy to get points when you get all of them in trash time when your team is down 29 points at the end of 3. Gasol was no more effective than the rest of the Lakers....

It would've been trash time if Adelman had put all his bench warmers in and knew the victory was secure. But no...the starters were on the floor down the stretch trying to hold off the run.

Nice try though.

By the way, ONLY 50% shooting for the first three quarters? My, my he was REALLY shut down wasn't he?

:rolleyes:

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 07:52 PM
If the la fakers diddn't hit that 11-20 3pt shots in game 3 after today's loss they would be looking at a 3-1 deficit. If you think about it houston could be up 3-1 instead of tied 2-2 your fortunate LA.

If the Lakers did not have an 7 day lay off, and shoot 2-18 in game one, and then take their foot of the throats because they heard Yao was hurt, today would have been the last game for the Rockets for the season :rolleyes:

TEXASTITAN
05-10-2009, 07:54 PM
Mabye the problem with the lakers is the same problem their fans seem to have. Which is looking forward to your next opponent instead of the team thats staring you in the face. A couple more games like this and you won't face the nuggets until next year's regular season.

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 07:56 PM
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His points were meaningless as they came after the game was out of hand. He was awful defensively in terms of protecting the paint and grabbing rebounds, he had very little impact on the game. He didn't get touches because he wasn't aggressively demanding the ball, he has to assert himself down low. None of that matters though, the "entire" team was terrible today.

*You may have watched it, but your analysis of Gasol's game is bad. He had very little impact on the game and most of his scoring came when the Rockets had already let off of the gas.

It's logic thinking...Gasol is your all-star big and when the other teams all-star big goes down, you exploit the size matchup. Gasol was never shut down this game...it's blissful denial..a stray bullet argument.

Kobe on the other hand was a complete NON-factor in the second half...but he doesn't get nearly the hate Gasol gets. And I find that objectable.

mightybosstone
05-10-2009, 07:57 PM
It would've been trash time if Adelman had put all his bench warmers in and knew the victory was secure. But no...the starters were on the floor down the stretch trying to hold off the run.

Nice try though.

By the way, ONLY 50% shooting for the first three quarters? My, my he was REALLY shut down wasn't he?

:rolleyes:

Are you at all aware that the reason he was shooting 50% might be because the defense being played on him forced him to pass the ball where he normally might shoot? Or that taking 8 shoots as a 7-footer, you're likely to make 4? Shooting 50% on 8 shoots through 3 quarters is hardly exceptional. I'd say it's about average, at best...

And Houston was playing it safe in the 4th. They had it won...What do they care if LA puts a few points on the board?

TEXASTITAN
05-10-2009, 07:58 PM
If the Lakers did not have an 7 day lay off, and shoot 2-18 in game one, and then take their foot of the throats because they heard Yao was hurt, today would have been the last game for the Rockets for the season :rolleyes:




No excuses you had everything going for you with all your players and were beat down by a team who's had their #1 scorer on the bench for 2 months and their second superstar out for the playoffs with artest scoring only 8 pts hmmmm..... ''O-U-T-P-L-A-Y-E-D
you were they had more heart and determination than we did-''Master Yoda''

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 08:01 PM
It would've been trash time if Adelman had put all his bench warmers in and knew the victory was secure. But no...the starters were on the floor down the stretch trying to hold off the run.

Nice try though.

By the way, ONLY 50% shooting for the first three quarters? My, my he was REALLY shut down wasn't he?

:rolleyes:

Being down by 29, on the road to start the 4th quarter is trash time. No team is ever going to come back from that. People were asking why is Kobe coming in with 5:35 left when they were down by 13. One guy even said "to pad his stats"

He may have been playing against the same players, but those players were not playing with the same intensity they were for the first 3 quarters. Gasol should have been able to do what he did in the 4th the whole game. The guy is too small to guard him. But Pau does not demand the ball.

That is just offensively. Defensively he is the tallest non factor in the league. No team is afraid to hit the hole with him down there. He gets pushed around when there is a loose rebound to be grabbed. Did he put the ball in the hole when the game was out of reach? Yes. But he had absolutely no impact on the game, other than helping us lose by 12 as opposed to 35.

It was by no means just Pau. Kobe, Lamar, Fisher, Sasha and especially Bynum were horrible out there. But they had the same impact on the game as Pau did with his 30 point 9 rebound game. None. They all sucked

Jay22Redd
05-10-2009, 08:01 PM
Good win Rockets. We played well but even though we had a huge lead, we shouldve played out the fourth quarter and not let them back into the game. This team really wants to get to the WCF and not just be satisfied with making it past the first round.

Gotta keep it up though. Gotta win two more games. Lets Go ROX!!!

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 08:02 PM
Are you at all aware that the reason he was shooting 50% might be because the defense being played on him forced him to pass the ball where he normally might shoot? Or that taking 8 shoots as a 7-footer, you're likely to make 4? Shooting 50% on 8 shoots through 3 quarters is hardly exceptional. I'd say it's about average, at best...

And Houston was playing it safe in the 4th. They had it won...What do they care if LA puts a few points on the board?

Gasol was frequently doubled on a move where a second wing defender attacked his handle, so yeah alot of time he passed out. That's Gasols game...he is an unselfish player.

As for the bold part..

When you big is shooting 50% from the field and getting to the line more than the rest of your team combined, common sense you have to keep giving him the ball instead of settling for erratic perimeter shooting.

Common sense :smoking:

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 08:07 PM
Being down by 29, on the road to start the 4th quarter is trash time. No team is ever going to come back from that. People were asking why is Kobe coming in with 5:35 left when they were down by 13. One guy even said "to pad his stats"

He may have been playing against the same players, but those players were not playing with the same intensity they were for the first 3 quarters. Gasol should have been able to do what he did in the 4th the whole game. The guy is too small to guard him. But Pau does not demand the ball.

That is just offensively. Defensively he is the tallest non factor in the league. No team is afraid to hit the hole with him down there. He gets pushed around when there is a loose rebound to be grabbed. Did he put the ball in the hole when the game was out of reach? Yes. But he had absolutely no impact on the game, other than helping us lose by 12 as opposed to 35.

It was by no means just Pau. Kobe, Lamar, Fisher, Sasha and especially Bynum were horrible out there. But they had the same impact on the game as Pau did with his 30 point 9 rebound game. None. They all sucked

The Rockets were still playing tough D in crunch time. That body up defense Hayes played forced Gasol into a bad pass, but in other occasion Gasol outquicked him or shot over him with ease. At one point in the 4th he had to be fouled before he could shoot. Gasol kept attacking. If you ask me the Rockets played scrappy from start to finish and that's why they won. Gasol still had more or less his way with Houstons defense than any other LA Laker in Game 4. He is the only Laker that has a significant matchup advantage over Houstons front line now Yao is done for.

grega1976
05-10-2009, 08:17 PM
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His points were meaningless as they came after the game was out of hand. He was awful defensively in terms of protecting the paint and grabbing rebounds, he had very little impact on the game. He didn't get touches because he wasn't aggressively demanding the ball, he has to assert himself down low. None of that matters though, the "entire" team was terrible today.

*You may have watched it, but your analysis of Gasol's game is bad. He had very little impact on the game and most of his scoring came when the Rockets had already let off of the gas.

I have to come up with some sort of award for you, you are the only lakers fan I can stand!!!!

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 08:20 PM
The Rockets were still playing tough D in crunch time. That body up defense Hayes played forced Gasol into a bad pass, but in other occasion Gasol outquicked him or shot over him with ease. At one point in the 4th he had to be fouled before he could shoot. Gasol kept attacking. If you ask me the Rockets played scrappy from start to finish and that's why they won. Gasol still had more or less his way with Houstons defense than any other LA Laker in Game 4. He is the only Laker that has a significant matchup advantage over Houstons front line now Yao is done for.

Which Im sure is why Laker fans are disappointed in his game today. Everybody thought he would have his way with a 6'6 guy on him. But it was quite the opposite. He should be taking over the game. Not wait to go for it in the 4th with the game out of reach. But oh well. Pau has been one of the most consistent Lakers this year. Im sure he will come back strong in game 5

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-10-2009, 08:21 PM
I have to come up with some sort of award for you, you are the only lakers fan I can stand!!!!

He's the only one I can stand too. Man those people are some cocky s.o.b.'s

mightybosstone
05-10-2009, 08:23 PM
Gasol was frequently doubled on a move where a second wing defender attacked his handle, so yeah alot of time he passed out. That's Gasols game...he is an unselfish player.

As for the bold part..

When you big is shooting 50% from the field and getting to the line more than the rest of your team combined, common sense you have to keep giving him the ball instead of settling for erratic perimeter shooting.

Common sense :smoking:

Just because he had 13 points and a whopping 7 free throw attempts going into the 4th quarter doesn't mean he was playing well. It means that he happened to be playing better than anyone else on the team. If one piece of crap smells a little better than the rest of the pieces of crap, that is still crap that you're smelling...

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 08:29 PM
Just because he had 13 points and a whopping 7 free throw attempts going into the 4th quarter doesn't mean he was playing well. It means that he happened to be playing better than anyone else on the team. If one piece of crap smells a little better than the rest of the pieces of crap, that is still crap that you're smelling...

That whopping 7 FT was still more than the rest of the Lakers combined.

grega1976
05-10-2009, 08:47 PM
He's the only one I can stand too. Man those people are some cocky s.o.b.'s

yah... they are earent they!!;)

lakersrock
05-10-2009, 09:25 PM
That whopping 7 FT was still more than the rest of the Lakers combined.

That was one thing that was annoying. For as many attempts as Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Bynum had in the lane, magically Houston never fouled. That said, we could breathe on them outside the 3P Line and it be a foul.

brandt
05-10-2009, 09:54 PM
That was one thing that was annoying. For as many attempts as Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Bynum had in the lane, magically Houston never fouled. That said, we could breathe on them outside the 3P Line and it be a foul.

Good Lord. Enough excuses. Did you think that maybe it could possibly be that the Rockets just don't foul that much. If you're talking about obvious bad calls by the refs, then we've gotten plenty in this series too. You were never in it, I don't care what the score says. The Rockets could have comitted 25 fouls, and you would have still lost.

astrosmaniac
05-10-2009, 10:55 PM
That was one thing that was annoying. For as many attempts as Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Bynum had in the lane, magically Houston never fouled. That said, we could breathe on them outside the 3P Line and it be a foul.

honestly this whole series kobe has gone to the rack. i bet i could count on 1 hand the amount of times kobe has tried to drive to the basket in each game. hes been content with the jump shot and the rockets have been happy to give him that shot.

also have you not noticed that for the majority of the series the rockets haven't committed many fouls? its because they are a team that WORKS ON THEIR DEFENSE. that may be foreign to you as a lakers fan, but its what alot of the good teams do. on average the rockets are one of the least fouling teams in the league.

do you honestly think the refs have it out for the lakers?

Eagles_Guy
05-10-2009, 11:06 PM
After Artest was ejected not once but twice, no one can claim that the refs are against the Lakers. Your just spewing homer bs if you do.

what54!?
05-10-2009, 11:06 PM
no yao= done series. Lakers:bang:

Eagles_Guy
05-10-2009, 11:15 PM
Get ready to see Kobe take 800 shots in Game 5.

DenButsu
05-10-2009, 11:15 PM
Was Brooks headed for a Vaudeville audition after the game or something?

Dude seriously needs to lose the red bowtie.

Norg
05-11-2009, 12:12 AM
hahah i told yall to me i think we play the lakers better when Yao is not on the court IMO

there are some teams were we would need yao teams with a strong Defense like Boston or Spurs

i do agree we had matchup problems with gasol he had a nice game

But hey maybe we can do this and shock the world

IRUAM #21
05-11-2009, 12:18 AM
:bang:

haha ur not the only one who feels stupid. :(

Draco
05-11-2009, 12:19 AM
Looks like I missed a great game. I wonder if the Rockets weren't handicapped enough by injuries to offset the officiating that some Laker fans believe to have been one-sided. Hmm... No McGrady, No Yao, No Mutombo...

Good job Rockets.. heroic effort for a very short handed team.

Lakers... :laugh2:

Norg
05-11-2009, 12:19 AM
i kinda agree with some of the laker fans denver does not scare me

before yao went down i said who ever wins this series will prob go on two the finals rockets or lakers


but now if rockets beat the lakers we will prob struggle now with denver

if anything the playoffs have showed who CLE is going to win it all ..... anywayz

{}
05-11-2009, 12:51 AM
Was Brooks headed for a Vaudeville audition after the game or something?

Dude seriously needs to lose the red bowtie.

Brooks has a great sense of humor. Did you catch his interview the other day where he acted like he never knew Kenny Smith had a role (much less who he was/is) in the Rockets championships, and answered Sam Cassell when asked who he tought the PG was back then. Hilarious, he geniunely had Smith looking on the verge of tears with a broken heart and even Barkley feeling sympathetic toward him like it was cruel.

BTownTeamsRKing
05-11-2009, 01:16 AM
i still cant believe this happened and its been 6 hours since the game. respect to Battier and Brooks. THEY DID WORK.

JayW_1023
05-11-2009, 07:15 AM
That was one thing that was annoying. For as many attempts as Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Bynum had in the lane, magically Houston never fouled. That said, we could breathe on them outside the 3P Line and it be a foul.

That was because the Lakers weren't aggressive driving the lane...they relied too much on their perimeter shooting. And Kobe's dribble penetrations were largely neutralized by Houston by excellent single coverage.

LAKERMANIA
05-11-2009, 02:26 PM
I do believe we will win this series and I do believe we will make it to the Finals again, but like i said in the Laker forum, this team only gains confidence and heart when they lose the previous game. If we continue to play like this, along with continuing to let the team come from behind when we are up by 20+ points like we did earlier in the playoffs, we cannot and will not beat Cleveland.

I fear this Laker team will have the same ending as last year if they continue to play at this rate. This team does not show heart or passion when playing, not this year and not last year. When they are down big, they officially give up, they try to make a comeback but don't BELIEVE that they can pull off a comeback.

The 2000 Laker team in game 7 of the West Conference Finals, they BELIEVED that they can win the game and won even when they were down by 15 with 10 or so minutes to go.

This team will not win the championship if they continue to lose games that they need to win and allow teams to come from behind when they are up by 10 or more points like they always do.

PHX-SOXFAN
05-11-2009, 02:30 PM
That was one thing that was annoying. For as many attempts as Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Bynum had in the lane, magically Houston never fouled. That said, we could breathe on them outside the 3P Line and it be a foul.

lakerfan never fails to amaze me. I've now seen the refs as an excuse in a game that the lakers were down 29 in the fourth. yep, that seems logical.:rolleyes:

the rockets aren't a team that fouls in the lane. Even the analysts have been all over it. catch up

Gibby23
05-11-2009, 02:33 PM
lakerfan never fails to amaze me. I've now seen the refs as an excuse in a game that the lakers were down 29 in the fourth. yep, that seems logical.:rolleyes:

the rockets aren't a team that fouls in the lane. Even the analysts have been all over it. catch up

Make the playoffs.

shep33
05-11-2009, 03:09 PM
Denver is scary good right now though. I actually think they can make the finals and beat cleveland. They matchup extremely well with the Cavs, Chauncy can slow down Moe Williams, Denver's frontline has a scoring edge IMO, but Lebron won't be stopped. I think the key is that Chauncy can take Moe Williams, and limit his scoring, after that the Nuggets are just stacked. Melo, Nene, Kmart, JR Smith, Kleiza, Birdman. They got all the right pieces.

Draco
05-11-2009, 03:17 PM
Denver is scary good right now though. I actually think they can make the finals and beat cleveland. They matchup extremely well with the Cavs, Chauncy can slow down Moe Williams, Denver's frontline has a scoring edge IMO, but Lebron won't be stopped. I think the key is that Chauncy can take Moe Williams, and limit his scoring, after that the Nuggets are just stacked. Melo, Nene, Kmart, JR Smith, Kleiza, Birdman. They got all the right pieces.

How well do they match up defensively with the Laker's? Can they do what the Rockets are doing?

Verbal Christ
05-11-2009, 05:55 PM
Make the playoffs.


:cry::cry::cry: is that the best you could do? he just told you every single analyst pretty much says the same thing about the rockets not fouling in the paint, and the best you could do was "make the playoffs" LMAO

Chronz
05-11-2009, 05:59 PM
Now seems like the right time to showboat my new sig, in ya grill kegger

Verbal Christ
05-11-2009, 05:59 PM
How well do they match up defensively with the Laker's? Can they do what the Rockets are doing?

denver not only plays about the same defensively they match up excellent against the lakers IMO, they have prime time scorers, and are pretty deep as well. i wouldnt be surprised to see the nugs win a 4-1 series or sweep these lakers. coming into the series i was falling victim to the hype, but im not overly impressed, i thought the lakers would blow us out in the games they won, but at full strength and with the zen master they have all been close except this last shalacking we handed them. cleveland and denver are winning in ways that scream championship.

JayW_1023
05-11-2009, 06:48 PM
The Lakers are gonna have to earn everything they get to win it all, but people forget that players like Shannon Brown, Josh Powell, Sasha Vujacic, Jordan Farmar and Andrew Bynum are still largely unproven players when it comes to the pressures of postseason basketball. Yes, the Lakers have alot of talent...but too many players on their roster simply lack big game experience.