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JordansBulls
05-08-2009, 09:48 PM
(2) Denver Nuggets (54-28) vs. (6) Dallas Mavericks (50-32)


The Nuggets will have the Homecourt Advantage


Denver Leads Series 2-0 Series Breakdown
(nba.com series page) (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/art_garcia/04/30/breakdown.20090430/index.html)


Sat May 9, 2009 - Game 3 Denver @ Dallas 5:00 pm EDT ESPN (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/preview?gid=2009050906)




In their romp through the playoffs thus far, the Denver Nuggets have made only one mistake: blowing Game 3 of their first-round series.

Up 2-0 on the Hornets, and playing in New Orleans, the Nuggets jumped way ahead in the opening minutes—then wound up losing. They bounced back in a big way the next game and haven’t lost since.

On Saturday, Denver gets another Game 3 on the road, again while up 2-0. This time it’s against the Dallas Mavericks.

Have the Nuggets learned their lesson? Do they now understand the difference between a playoff road game and a regular-season road game?

Denver coach George Karl is eager to find out.




REGULAR SEASON SERIES
Nuggets Won Series 4-0
November 7, 2008 Mavericks 105 @ Nuggets 108
December 15, 2008 Nuggets 98 @ Mavericks 88
January 13, 2009 Mavericks 97 @ Nuggets 99
March 27, 2009 Nuggets 103 @ Mavericks 101



http://s402.photobucket.com/albums/pp109/KHinrich12/Team%20Logos/th_Nuggets.png Projected Starting Lineup

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PG - Chauncey Billups
SG - Dahntay Jones
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Kenyon Martin
C - Nene Hilario




http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp109/KHinrich12/Team%20Logos/Mavericks.png Projected Starting Lineup

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PG - Jason Kidd
SG - Jose Juan Barea
SF - Josh Howard
PF - Dirk Nowitzki
C - Erick Dampier

Kakaroach
05-08-2009, 10:28 PM
Juts like the Hawks, the Mavs have been killed by injuries to 2 starters. I say they win anyway, but they will need at least either Dampier or Howard.

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 12:12 AM
Denver puts Dallas in the 0-3 hole, I think. But whether I'm right or not, this game should be the closest of the series so far, and I'll be surprised if it doesn't go down to the wire.

Denver's key to winning this game should be shutting down all non-Dirk options, which means continuing to play single coverage on him. He'll probably score 40 points, but if the scoring of the rest of the team is held in check then Denver (especially Nene, Melo and J.R.) should be able to get enough of theirs offensively to tally up the higher score by game's end. Nuggets down after 2, up after 3 and hold a close lead from there on out.

cmellofan15
05-09-2009, 12:21 AM
I think we can let Dirk slide a bit, but we can't let them get a good rotation or too many fast breaks because they could get the momentum. If we contest every shot and get some turnovers this game is in the bag.

avsman05
05-09-2009, 12:35 AM
I believe the Nuggets come out firing in this one. They realize they cant have a lapse like they did agains NO cuz it looks like LA is hot again so we will have to take this series asap.

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 12:44 AM
I believe the Nuggets come out firing in this one. They realize they cant have a lapse like they did agains NO cuz it looks like LA is hot again so we will have to take this series asap.

Start J.R. :nod:

cmellofan15
05-09-2009, 12:51 AM
Start J.R. :nod:

Only if Karl grows some balls :mad:

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 12:54 AM
Only if Karl grows some balls :mad:

I was all for Dahntay starting in round 1 after seeing the number he was doing on CP3. But against the Mavs, it's really not necessary (in fact, I'd rather start CB-AC over CB-DJ if Barea starts). If he's playing alongside Chauncey, I think Smitty can handle his share of the defensive guard duties, and the offensive spark we could roar out of the gates with by having him on the floor there with Melo and Nene could facilitate jumping out to a lead in the first quarter which would really help nab that hard-to-get road win.

cmellofan15
05-09-2009, 12:58 AM
But that's if JR shoots well, some nights he's on and some he's not. This game is defintely gonna be a good one.

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 01:03 AM
But that's if JR shoots well, some nights he's on and some he's not. This game is defintely gonna be a good one.

He's the only guard we have who can penetrate at will. The Mavs have constantly shown in this series an inability (or, in Dirk's case, an unwillingness) to put up any significant defensive resistance in the paint. Chauncey and J.R.'s co-presence on the floor will really spread it out because of their 3 threat, but I'd want to see him driving to the basket for dunks/layups or finding open Nene/K-Mart/Melo to do the same. With the CB-JR-Melo-K-Nene lineup on the floor, Dallas simply does not have enough defensive answers to solve our offense.

KeithLBC
05-09-2009, 01:21 AM
I have a feeling it's going to be another blowout by the Nuggets. They've been playing some of the best basketball by any of the teams in the playoffs this year.

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 04:43 AM
Good news and bad news for Mavs fans on the Josh Howard story.

The good news is it sounds like he'll play.

The bad news is it sounds like he's pretty far from being 100%, and his left ankle will need surgery this summer.


A quickie Josh Howard update, aka "The Eggshell Watch'': He took it easy at practice on Friday, as has been the case all week in preparation for Saturday’s Game 3. Howard – nursing two bad ankles – went through extensive treatment, got a sweat on the exercise bike and did some casual shooting. He did pledge to be ready to play on Saturday.
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1627


Almost forgot the daily Josh Howard injury update.

He needs surgery on his left ankle after the season. His right ankle hurts worse right now.

Howard rode the exercise bike some today, but he didn't participate in practice. The Mavs have their fingers crossed that he'll be able to play Saturday.

"We definitely need him healthy to have a chance in this series," Dirk said.
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/05/oh-yeah-about-josh-howards-ankles.html

MiamiHeat
05-09-2009, 08:25 AM
I think the Nuggets win this game

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 08:57 AM
I think the Nuggets win this game

I like the way you think. :cheers:

Now that we're getting closer, I'm a bit more nervous. Denver really has no reason to lose this game, which leads me to think that it could really be somewhat of a trap game for them. The Nuggets have often showed a tendency to play down and get complacent when they feel they're in "easy win" situations (although fortunately they've avoided falling into their bad tendencies remarkably well this postseason). They have to be sharp as tacks and turn the volume up to 11, because we know damn well that Dallas will turn it up to 10.

theimortalone
05-09-2009, 02:43 PM
Denver wins by 10. Dallas just has no chance against them!

lakers4sho
05-09-2009, 03:12 PM
Dallas squeaks by a measly 2-4 point win.

That's not a knock on Denver by any means.

NBA_Starter
05-09-2009, 03:17 PM
Denver by 4.

AllTheWay
05-09-2009, 03:55 PM
I think Dirk can manage to avoid himself being swept, which is why I see game 3 as the only Mavs victory.

AirJordan23
05-09-2009, 04:02 PM
I like the way you think. :cheers:

Now that we're getting closer, I'm a bit more nervous. Denver really has no reason to lose this game, which leads me to think that it could really be somewhat of a trap game for them. The Nuggets have often showed a tendency to play down and get complacent when they feel they're in "easy win" situations (although fortunately they've avoided falling into their bad tendencies remarkably well this postseason). They have to be sharp as tacks and turn the volume up to 11, because we know damn well that Dallas will turn it up to 10.

Yeah, game 3 of the first round series is exactly what you're talkin about. Nugz played really well for the first 6 minutes or so and had a 20 point lead IIRC. Also took the crowd outta the game which is key. But, then slacked off. Their energy level declined, didn't move the ball around and gave up the lead midway through the second quarter. They recovered in game 4, though which is what I love about the team, the ability to bounce back well.

Tip-off in an hour.

superkegger
05-09-2009, 05:11 PM
I think the extra day off helps the Mavs and they take their only game of the series.

superkegger
05-09-2009, 05:12 PM
Holy ****, didn't realize the game just started

superkegger
05-09-2009, 05:15 PM
damn, I got a crappy internet feed, anyone got a good one?

superkegger
05-09-2009, 05:19 PM
that was quite a dunk by Dahntay

avsman05
05-09-2009, 05:25 PM
wow they need to stop this sucking in the first quarter its getting old.

avsman05
05-09-2009, 05:28 PM
2 on Kmart

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 05:41 PM
Tie score after 25% shooting. I can live with that.

superkegger
05-09-2009, 05:54 PM
I give up on trying to watch this, I just can't find a decent stream. **** it

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 06:00 PM
I give up on trying to watch this, I just can't find a decent stream. **** it

See Nugs forum.

----------------------

Check out J.R. D'ing up Dirk! :clap:

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 06:05 PM
J.R.'s 2nd great defensive stand against Dirk - wow.

avsman05
05-09-2009, 06:12 PM
Great game so far

avsman05
05-09-2009, 06:17 PM
and here comes ......... Petro...?

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 06:21 PM
Nuggets mostly playing like crap, have no business being up 3, yet somehow are.

Both Melo and Dirk need help from their crews. Which one gets more in the 2nd half will probably decide this game.

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 06:25 PM
and here comes ......... Petro...?

I thought that was wise. He can't really stop Dirk, but he has 5 free fouls to give, and at least he just brings some size to put on Dirk to make him have to work for it.

Attrition. Watch for it. Dirk has faded every 4th quarter in this series. Could be somewhat a product of altitude, but I think it's also the physicality of the defense he's been facing in the first 3 quarters. If this game keeps going like it is now, I'd say the advantage tips to Denver. The Mavs will need to come out with feistier defense that forces some turnovers and better defensive rebounding, so they can get out more on the fast break and exploit transition defense, which is Denver's Achilles heel. But right now the Nuggets' shots aren't falling, but they're pretty much dictating the tone and tempo of the game.

avsman05
05-09-2009, 06:44 PM
Ya thats true but they were up 6 and now up 3 at half because of Petro well see how bad it hurts them in the end. but... hey, we have the lead after that horrible half of what some would say basketball.

Game_Over
05-09-2009, 06:55 PM
Come on refs let them play!!

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 07:01 PM
I hope all the Dallas fans who were complaining so much about the calls in game 1 are forgiving the refs now since they're calling every little ticky tack minimal bump on Denver now. :rolleyes:

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Postseason game being called like a regular season game (on both ends, really).

Booooooo. Let 'em play.

superkegger
05-09-2009, 07:07 PM
I hope all the Dallas fans who were complaining so much about the calls in game 1 are forgiving the refs now since they're calling every little ticky tack minimal bump on Denver now. :rolleyes:

that's how the reffing goes, teams at home simply get more calls. Not all on the officiating, teams just usually play better at home, and the bench players are more comfortable there.

avsman05
05-09-2009, 07:17 PM
omg let them play.

NBA_Starter
05-09-2009, 07:19 PM
I still foresee Denver pulling this game out!

avsman05
05-09-2009, 07:37 PM
well i think that 21 pt margin of victory will go down quite a bit after this 1.

Brooke
05-09-2009, 07:37 PM
I missed some of the game is Chauncey ok? I saw he was holding a couple of his fingers

also glad to see this is a close game, I like close playoff games

avsman05
05-09-2009, 07:42 PM
ya Chauncey is fine. This is way too..... the refs are not allowing the teams to play

NBA_Starter
05-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Mavs are leaving the door open with missed FT's, I still don't understand how that was a foul on Melo??

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 07:53 PM
What's that smell? :rolleyes:

NBA_Starter
05-09-2009, 07:54 PM
Terrible shot by Dirk!

NBA_Starter
05-09-2009, 07:54 PM
Nene' with a BEAST move on the baseline, 1 point game with just under 45 seconds to go, Come on Nuggs!

Brooke
05-09-2009, 08:03 PM
Wow big shot by Melo

ironkobe
05-09-2009, 08:05 PM
wow das got rob

albertc86
05-09-2009, 08:05 PM
Melo needs to hit more shots like that and play like this in the playoffs before I consider him a superstar in the league. He's been called a superstar too loosely since he's been in the league.

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 08:06 PM
Melo needs to hit more shots like that and play like this in the playoffs before I consider him a superstar in the league. He's been called a superstar too loosely since he's been in the league.

Melo hits shot like that all the time - pretty much more than any other player in the league.

nik.jd.aitken
05-09-2009, 08:07 PM
Melo hits shot like that all the time - pretty much more than any other player in the league.

Of course, he was fouled prior to the shot, so it shouldn't have counted.

icon1914
05-09-2009, 08:07 PM
Wright should have made a real attempt at a foul.

EddieB
05-09-2009, 08:07 PM
Mavs got robbed on that call, but you got to play through until you hear a whistle or you foul him hard enough where he can't continue.

NBA_Starter
05-09-2009, 08:08 PM
Howard and Cuban's going after the refs was embarrassing, it was a horribly officiated game all the way around so the ending was no BIG Surprise!

Big Game Son
05-09-2009, 08:08 PM
Cuban is for sure gonna get fined. lol! He pushed a camera guy directly in the screen

jimbobjarree
05-09-2009, 08:08 PM
I really feel for the Mavs, absolutely robbed after putting themselves in a great position.

******** call

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 08:09 PM
It was a foul, but dude's got to make damn sure - give him a bear hug.

And Dirk missed his big chance for the clutch shot that would have put the Nuggets out of reach, too.

i.got.the.nutz
05-09-2009, 08:10 PM
Definitely looked like a foul. But what can you do, we all know NBA officials are a joke.

icon1914
05-09-2009, 08:10 PM
Of course, he was fouled prior to the shot, so it shouldn't have counted.

That "foul" was not obvious enough. He looked like he chest bumped him, which don't always get the call... if he meant to foul him intentionally he could've easily just touched him with both hands...Why the weak attempt at the foul. Bad play by Wright.

Big Game Son
05-09-2009, 08:10 PM
Mavs got robbed on that call, but you got to play through until you hear a whistle or you foul him hard enough where he can't continue.

What do coaches always say. If you intend to commit a foul MAKE SURE YOU COMMIT and that the shot is either impossible or ridiculously hard. Wright failed on both accounts. Idea was right but you have to make sure that foul is called. Grab kick watever make it happen.

NBA_Starter
05-09-2009, 08:11 PM
It was a foul, but dude's got to make damn sure - give him a bear hug.

And Dirk missed his big chance for the clutch shot that would have put the Nuggets out of reach, too.

I can't believe the guys here who are feeling bad for the Mavs, I don't think they watched the entire game, Denver got the short end of the stick on every call until that last play. Mavs can't really say anything about officiating at all!

Knowledge
05-09-2009, 08:14 PM
Man,Great win for Denver but tough way to lose a game if you are Dallas. It looked like they fouled Carmelo, but at the same time the defender should have wrapped him up to make sure their was no doubt instead of letting him shoot.

lakersfan211
05-09-2009, 08:14 PM
dallas got robbed , well denver mise well enjoy , they will win this series but the next round they will get destroyed by us , i really feel for mavs fans , them and the hole dallas organization , this proves right here the refs wanted denver to win , nuggets fans shouldnt be glad about this game , it was handed to them.

Hoopsadvocate
05-09-2009, 08:14 PM
Dallas got screwed imo but the Nuggets didnt do anything wrong...the refs did.

TheCooLKid2020
05-09-2009, 08:14 PM
hip check foul haha Ya thats a real hard foul by Wright....Wrap hiom up make sure he doesn't get the shot off lol.... and if you know the game of basketball that foul would never be called in the last second

Game_Over
05-09-2009, 08:14 PM
I can't believe the guys here who are feeling bad for the Mavs, I don't think they watched the entire game, Denver got the short end of the stick on every call until that last play. Mavs can't really say anything about officiating at all!

Thank you!! That could have went against the Nuggets aswell, we knew they had one foul what if Melo just gave up on the shot then it would have went against us and we lose.. Also who knows after the foul we still could have made a three to win..

lakersfan211
05-09-2009, 08:15 PM
bull **** no call

lakersfan211
05-09-2009, 08:16 PM
it aint denvers fault its them ****in zebras.

lakersfan211
05-09-2009, 08:18 PM
Thank you!! That could have went against the Nuggets aswell, we knew they had one foul what if Melo just gave up on the shot then it would have went against us and we lose.. Also who knows after the foul we still could have made a three to win..

maybe but who knows.

Joshtd1
05-09-2009, 08:19 PM
Yes he fouled Melo, but Wright shouldnt have stopped playing. He literally just stood there and watched Melo after he bumped him. If you dont hear that whistle, keep playing.

jimbobjarree
05-09-2009, 08:23 PM
yeah, what a shot by Melo, and some great defense on the final play. 3-0 teams win 100% of the time so that Melo shot was the death sentence for the Mavs.

congrats Nuggets on making the WCF!

superkegger
05-09-2009, 08:23 PM
Melo is a clutch mother ****er, no denying that. He always has been.

tr4shb0t
05-09-2009, 08:26 PM
I can't believe the guys here who are feeling bad for the Mavs, I don't think they watched the entire game, Denver got the short end of the stick on every call until that last play. Mavs can't really say anything about officiating at all!

I didn't even see but the last 1 minute of the 4th but I am not surprised that Denver got the short end of the stick. Game 3 is often a game for the fans if the other team is up 2-0. You don't want to upset a huge crowd and get them down with an upset or they might not come back next year. I saw the other 2 games and Dallas is seriously just outplayed. They were never going to advance to begin with playing like that.

SideWinder989
05-09-2009, 08:30 PM
congrats to nuggets.... 3-0 baby !! :D

EddieB
05-09-2009, 08:31 PM
I hate to see game end like that by the stupid refs

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 08:32 PM
yeah, what a shot by Melo, and some great defense on the final play. 3-0 teams win 100% of the time so that Melo shot was the death sentence for the Mavs.

congrats Nuggets on making the WCF!

Damn you jimbojarree, you make it so damn hard for me to hate Jazz fans!

(or in other words, cheers :cheers: )

Game_Over
05-09-2009, 08:34 PM
I hate to see game end like that by the stupid refs

I agree but as I have said before the "No Call" just as easily worked against us, Melo knew they were going to fouled and once he got hit he could have just assumed it was a fouled and gave up but he didn't and made a huge shot..

coryd238
05-09-2009, 08:42 PM
Guys, Wright even put his hands up and backed off.

Here's the video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVWCPI10KA)

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 08:44 PM
By the way, this will go unnoticed by most since all the attention will be paid only to the final 6.5 seconds of the game.

But the real story of this game was the third quarter, and specifically Chauncey Billups in the third quarter.

The Nuggets racked up a whopping 18 fouls, including the Birdman (who was playing a pivotal role for Denver) getting fouled out. It would have been very easy for the team to lose its composure and its cool (in fact, the Nuggets of one year ago probably would have), and to lose its confidence and just completely cave in. But what happened instead? Chauncey pinned everything down real tight, keeping a lid on the team and taking the helm, scoring 16 of his 32 points in the quarter to keep Denver at a neck and neck pace with Dallas.

The only reason the game was close enough for Melo to make that shot at the end of it was because of Billups' poise and leadership and ability to take control of his team when they most needed it.

Once again, thank you Joe Dumars.

EddieB
05-09-2009, 08:52 PM
I agree but as I have said before the "No Call" just as easily worked against us, Melo knew they were going to fouled and once he got hit he could have just assumed it was a fouled and gave up but he didn't and made a huge shot..

YUP, the mavs shouldn't have given up or just foul Melo harder to make sure the refs knew. The refs blew the call and Melo did make a big shot

Namy
05-09-2009, 09:12 PM
YUP, the mavs shouldn't have given up or just foul Melo harder to make sure the refs knew. The refs blew the call and Melo did make a big shot

My goodness, it's a blown call because he made the shot, right? If you think he was intending to foul, look at Wright's reaction IMMEDIATELY after his "foul attempt." Not only did he back off by raising his hands but so did the ENTIRE coaching staff (telling him to back off and raise his hands up in the air).

In the playoffs, especially under a minute in a close game, I think EVERYONE knows that refs swallow their whistles. It's not right, but everyone knows that that's true. If he really had the intent to foul, he would have kept his arms locked on Melo to prevent him from shooting completely. It's clear that they did not want to receive that foul (of course, until after Carmelo made the shot).

Anyways, above all, I'm impressed at the Nuggets composure throughout this game. Aside from Chris Anderson, the Nuggets, for the most part, were able to keep their cool despite the myriad foul calls. I honestly would like it if the refs would let the players play more physically without calling so many touch fouls, but I think the Nuggets responded well to the officiating adversity they faced for most of the game.

Also, to Nuggets fans: Who agrees with me that Kleiza is the only player on our team that doesn't get it that defense wins championships? Why doesn't Balkman come in instead of him???

Game_Over
05-09-2009, 09:17 PM
Also, to Nuggets fans: Who agrees with me that Kleiza is the only player on our team that doesn't get it that defense wins championships? Why doesn't Balkman come in instead of him???

We have been screaming for Balkman forever now and we all wished Kleiza would have got traded!!

avsman05
05-09-2009, 09:22 PM
Also, to Nuggets fans: Who agrees with me that Kleiza is the only player on our team that doesn't get it that defense wins championships? Why doesn't Balkman come in instead of him???

It needs to happen. Just think if we had Artest or David Lee instead of him.

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 09:22 PM
composure

100% Billups (see my post above about the 3rd quarter)


Also, to Nuggets fans: Who agrees with me that Kleiza is the only player on our team that doesn't get it that defense wins championships? Why doesn't Balkman come in instead of him???

Absolutely right, and Nuggets fans across the land are :bang: about this. One of the first posts I made in the Nuggets forum game thread today:


Keeping LK in this game = Karl's worst coaching decision of the postseason.

Namy
05-09-2009, 09:24 PM
It needs to happen. Just think if we had Artest or David Lee instead of him.

Imagine if McDyess stayed with us. AC, JR, Mcdyess, and Birdman off the bench? That would truly be the best bench in the league.

Game_Over
05-09-2009, 09:26 PM
Imagine if McDyess stayed with us. AC, JR, Mcdyess, and Birdman off the bench? That would truly be the best bench in the league.

Wonder what he would do if he had to do it over again:rolleyes:

GoatMilk
05-09-2009, 09:47 PM
"I mean, all night long the whistle was blowing fast," Wright said. "The whistle was blowing. At the end of the game when we're blatantly trying to foul, the whistle wasn't blowing."

"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked rheotrically. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him, just take him out?"

Game_Over
05-09-2009, 09:51 PM
"I mean, all night long the whistle was blowing fast," Wright said. "The whistle was blowing. At the end of the game when we're blatantly trying to foul, the whistle wasn't blowing."

"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked rheotrically. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him, just take him out?"

No wrap your arms around him not bump him then throw your hands up like you didn't foul him!!

DenButsu
05-09-2009, 09:57 PM
"I mean, all night long the whistle was blowing fast," Wright said. "The whistle was blowing. At the end of the game when we're blatantly trying to foul, the whistle wasn't blowing."

"What do you want me to do?" Wright asked rheotrically. "Do you want me to Derek Fisher him, just take him out?"

I want him to do more than graze his chest across Melo's shoulder. I want him to try to wrap Melo up, put his hands on him, reach in to try to knock the ball out of bounds. Something absolutely unmistakable as a foul. In the course of regular game action, the foul which he committed would often not be called.

I would also like for him to acknowledge that with Dallas up 4 points with just 0:31 seconds remaining, their defense totally collapsed and they allowed Melo to drive in for an easy layup to cut the lead to 2. And to also acknowledge that on the Mavericks' subsequent possession, Dirk had the chance to put the game out of reach for Denver, but failed to make the shot that would have done that. So the very fact that Melo was even in a position to be able to make a winning three at the buzzer in the first place was two consecutive failures by Dallas in clutch time. And the third failure was Wright's, with his very weak foul attempt. Three chances, all blown. (And that's after an entire game where the officiating was heavily tilted in Dallas' favor).

The Mavericks have nothing legitimate to complain about. They had this game in their pocket near the end, and they stumbled when it counted most.

Kakaroach
05-09-2009, 10:07 PM
What a great game, but to have it end like that cuz of the refs leaves a bad taste. This series is now over. Maybe Dallas can win this next one to at least make something.

Game_Over
05-09-2009, 10:13 PM
If Dallas really wanted it they would have took the game over in the first half when the Nuggets shot just 33%.. Instead the Nuggets lead at halftime, besides Dirk there is no one else who wants this..

Lone Maverick
05-09-2009, 10:58 PM
Guys, Wright even put his hands up and backed off.

Here's the video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVWCPI10KA)

Simply trying not to foul him AS the shot was going up. Melo would have had 3 shots, when they're down 2.

JRBillupsMelo
05-09-2009, 11:02 PM
Simply trying not to foul him AS the shot was going up. Melo would have had 3 shots, when they're down 2.


Nah he shoulda kept Melos arms from gettin up......Wright messed up, and he played the Dallas stereotype of how observers view them as not a physical team, and proves that stereotype somewhat true.

BlondeBomber41
05-09-2009, 11:24 PM
The Mavericks have nothing legitimate to complain about. They had this game in their pocket near the end, and thee y stumbled when it counted most.

You have GOT to be kidding me. I like to think of you as a being a unbias NBA poster who is a Nuggets fan, but this is clearly a Nuggets homer post.

The NBA mere hours after the game ended came out with a statement saying that they ****ed up and should of made the call, yet you say the Mavs have nothing to complain about?

The series is now pretty much over at 3-0 when it should be 2-1 and a home win away from a tied series and you have the nerve to say the Mavs have nothing to complain about? Just shut the hell up because we both know if you were a Mavs fan you would be complaining your *** off.

Just admit you stole a win you didnt deserve and got the lucky break. Be a man about it. You are even worse then a sore loser, you are a sore winner....

BlondeBomber41
05-09-2009, 11:31 PM
Guys, Wright even put his hands up and backed off.

Here's the video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVWCPI10KA)

Yeah, because he isnt a moron and he knows how NBA players in that situation.

He anticipated that Melo was gonna go up with a shot in an attempt to get it called a shooting foul. So he commited the foul, and then pulled away to make sure there wasnt a chance Melo pulled up and it went that way.

When the NBA comes out and admits immidiately after the game they ****ed up, then you have nothing to argue your point. The NBA almost never admits they ****ed up, especially right after the game.

JRBillupsMelo
05-09-2009, 11:36 PM
Please...A real defender would've inhibited Melo from reaching that 3 point line and put up a shot....A real defender would've executed and fouled properly....And blah blah to what the NBA says in admitting to bad officiating.....The Mavs messed up, they had plenty of chances to close this game, and even the Nuggets did as well....Nugget shot it and scored....Buzzer beater baby, Melo is as clutch as anybody in the NBA.

BlondeBomber41
05-09-2009, 11:36 PM
If Dallas really wanted it they would have took the game over in the first half when the Nuggets shot just 33%.. Instead the Nuggets lead at halftime, besides Dirk there is no one else who wants this..

Thats the god damn dumbest thing I have ever heard.

"If the Mavs really wanted to win they should of been winning by more at the end so that the refs couldnt of blown a call and screwed them out of a win they would of had otherwise"

You Nuggets fans are classic. I never thought I would cheer for the Lakers but I cant wait to see them sweep you again.

I mean its one thing to be humble and be like "damn, we got lucky" but to sit there and make excuses like this makes yall look pathetic.

JRBillupsMelo
05-09-2009, 11:39 PM
I bet if Melo had missed that shot, you wouldn't be goin about all that "FOUL" talk that you doin now. So please, Nuggets won.....Get over it.....I've seen more excuses from Mavs fans, then any other team.

Namy
05-09-2009, 11:41 PM
You have GOT to be kidding me. I like to think of you as a being a unbias NBA poster who is a Nuggets fan, but this is clearly a Nuggets homer post.

The NBA mere hours after the game ended came out with a statement saying that they ****ed up and should of made the call, yet you say the Mavs have nothing to complain about?


NBA refs make mistakes all the time. But you know what - at least a fourth of the fouls called on the Nuggets were probably hometown calls. Nuggets "committed" 34 fouls and the Mavs shot nearly 50 FTs. Birdman fouled out in 10 minutes. K-Mart, Carmelo, Billups, JR, and Nene all had 4 or 5 fouls each. Kidd committed offensive fouls all night long by hooking his elbow around his defender every time he was in the post. But the Nuggets won in the face of adversity.

You can complain all you want, but Melo still had to make an off-balanced 3 point shot (followed by making a dunk w/30 seconds left and making a couple defensive stops). I think it's sad that you're pointing to one play in the game as the sole reason for your loss. Even Jason Kidd admitted that the game isn't won by one play. For the majority of the game, Dallas received the benefit of the doubt. That's why the Mavs have no reason to complain.

coryd238
05-09-2009, 11:46 PM
I can't believe that you guys aren't noticing how many BS fouls were called on the Nuggets. They deserved to get at least one call.

BlondeBomber41
05-09-2009, 11:47 PM
I bet if Melo had missed that shot, you wouldn't be goin about all that "FOUL" talk that you doin now. So please, Nuggets won.....Get over it.....I've seen more excuses from Mavs fans, then any other team.

Yes you would. You would be hearing "Thank god Melo missed that shot, he shouldnt even of been able to get it off, Wright fouled him"

Cmon Nuggets fans, I am waiting for just ONE of you to admit the call was blown and the Nuggets got a victory they shouldnt of gotten. Someone admit it.

The Nuggets probably would of won the series regardless seeing as though they got two pretty easy home wins, can play on the road in Dallas, and the Mavs are basically playing with Josh Howard at 50%, so its even more annoying you all cant just be a man about this.

Game_Over
05-09-2009, 11:47 PM
Thats the god damn dumbest thing I have ever heard.

"If the Mavs really wanted to win they should of been winning by more at the end so that the refs couldnt of blown a call and screwed them out of a win they would of had otherwise"

You Nuggets fans are classic. I never thought I would cheer for the Lakers but I cant wait to see them sweep you again.

I mean its one thing to be humble and be like "damn, we got lucky" but to sit there and make excuses like this makes yall look pathetic.

Why don't you and Cuban go find a corner, relax and realize even if you got the foul call Melo could have drained another one..

avsman05
05-09-2009, 11:49 PM
Thats the god damn dumbest thing I have ever heard.

"If the Mavs really wanted to win they should of been winning by more at the end so that the refs couldnt of blown a call and screwed them out of a win they would of had otherwise"

You Nuggets fans are classic. I never thought I would cheer for the Lakers but I cant wait to see them sweep you again.

I mean its one thing to be humble and be like "damn, we got lucky" but to sit there and make excuses like this makes yall look pathetic.

Who's making excuses? The Nuggets won ya we got damn lucky buddy and THE CALL WAS BLOWN, but your calling out and changing your mind of a fan base over two people? I don't know if you noticed but their were 20k people at the 2 games here in Denver. Plus by saying it was a horrible call would that not be making an excuse becaue they lost?

Damn right if I were a Dallas fan I would be upset, however I would have realized my team isn't good enough to compete against the Nuggets and said congrats to the victory and good luck in the future. The game is over, lets move on. good luck in game 4.

BlondeBomber41
05-09-2009, 11:51 PM
NBA refs make mistakes all the time. But you know what - at least a fourth of the fouls called on the Nuggets were probably hometown calls. Nuggets "committed" 34 fouls and the Mavs shot nearly 50 FTs. Birdman fouled out in 10 minutes. K-Mart, Carmelo, Billups, JR, and Nene all had 4 or 5 fouls each. Kidd committed offensive fouls all night long by hooking his elbow around his defender every time he was in the post. But the Nuggets won in the face of adversity.

You can complain all you want, but Melo still had to make an off-balanced 3 point shot (followed by making a dunk w/30 seconds left and making a couple defensive stops). I think it's sad that you're pointing to one play in the game as the sole reason for your loss. Even Jason Kidd admitted that the game isn't won by one play. For the majority of the game, Dallas received the benefit of the doubt. That's why the Mavs have no reason to complain.

The Mavs shot 9 more FT's than the Nuggets. Thats not a great discrepency, so I fail to see your point. Home teams in general usually do shoot more FT's because teams tend to be more aggressive at home.

The Mavs should of won the game, and the refs ****ed up a call that cost them the game. If you cant see why Mavs fans are pointing towards one play then you are a little slow my friend.

JRBillupsMelo
05-09-2009, 11:53 PM
Yes you would. You would be hearing "Thank god Melo missed that shot, he shouldnt even of been able to get it off, Wright fouled him"

Cmon Nuggets fans, I am waiting for just ONE of you to admit the call was blown and the Nuggets got a victory they shouldnt of gotten. Someone admit it.

The Nuggets probably would of won the series regardless seeing as though they got two pretty easy home wins, can play on the road in Dallas, and the Mavs are basically playing with Josh Howard at 50%, so its even more annoying you all cant just be a man about this.


Yeah...It woulda been a foul, we would've got it back and Melo would still light that net up for a buzzer beater

Nuggets deserved that win, because they were shootin 30 percent and still kept up with the Mavs......The loss was mostly your teams fault....They had the chance to win, and fell apart.

And why don you be a man, and admit that Melo is clutch.....After everything he's been through, he deserves some respect for hitting such a clutch 3 pointer in a playoff atmosphere....He finally does it, and gets scrutinized in a negative away......I had respect for Dallas, but seein what I seen today has changed my view.

BlondeBomber41
05-09-2009, 11:55 PM
Who's making excuses? The Nuggets won ya we got damn lucky buddy and THE CALL WAS BLOWN, but your calling out and changing your mind of a fan base over two people? I don't know if you noticed but their were 20k people at the 2 games here in Denver. Plus by saying it was a horrible call would that not be making an excuse becaue they lost?

Damn right if I were a Dallas fan I would be upset, however I would have realized my team isn't good enough to compete against the Nuggets and said congrats to the victory and good luck in the future. The game is over good luck in game 4.

Arent good enough to compete against the Mighty Nuggets? You won FOUR more games than the Mavs during the regular season despite not having near the injury problems they had.

The right call is made and the Mavs get the series to 2-1 with a chance to tie the series at home in the next game.

The Mavs arent good enough to compete with the Lakers, and ya know what buddy... neither are the Nuggets. The Lakers are gonna waltz into the NBA Finals against the Cavs, whether you will admit it or not.

JRBillupsMelo
05-09-2009, 11:58 PM
Arent good enough to compete against the Mighty Nuggets? You won FOUR more games than the Mavs during the regular season despite not having near the injury problems they had.

The right call is made and the Mavs get the series to 2-1 with a chance to tie the series at home in the next game.

The Mavs arent good enough to compete with the Lakers, and ya know what buddy... neither are the Nuggets. The Lakers are gonna waltz into the NBA Finals against the Cavs, whether you will admit it or not.



Please 2 out of the 4 games we either had Melo or NeNe out...So stop with the "having near the injury problems", when concerning the matchups between the Nuggets and Mavs this year....Because they both didnt play 100% healthy during each game in this 7 game series this season.

BlondeBomber41
05-09-2009, 11:59 PM
Yeah...It woulda been a foul, we would've got it back and Melo would still light that net up for a buzzer beater

Nuggets deserved that win, because they were shootin 30 percent and still kept up with the Mavs......The loss was mostly your teams fault....They had the chance to win, and fell apart.

And why don you be a man, and admit that Melo is clutch.....After everything he's been through, he deserves some respect for hitting such a clutch 3 pointer in a playoff atmosphere....He finally does it, and gets scrutinized in a negative away......I had respect for Dallas, but seein what I seen today has changed my view.

Clutch? He hit a open shot... big freakin deal. Wright commited the foul and completely backed off expecting that any competent NBA ref would call the foul. That left Melo wide open... most NBA players can hit about 60% of wide open threes....

They didnt deserve the win, they got the benefit of a terrible call. Why cant you just admit it?

and its truely pathetic to say you lost respect for a team who was visibly upset that a bad call pretty much just ended their season. Truely pathetic.

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 12:01 AM
Please 2 out of the 4 games we either had Melo or NeNe out...So stop with the "having near the injury problems", when concerning the matchups between the Nuggets and Mavs this year....Because they both didnt play 100% healthy during each game in this 7 game series this season.

Your biggest win agains the Mavs this year was like 9 points and the other ones were by 3, 2 and 2. So to say the Mavs cant compete is ********.

Especially since the Mavs were missing either Josh Howard, Jason Kidd or both in 3 of the regular season games against the Nuggets. You were missing Melo for one game and Nene for one, thats it.

avsman05
05-10-2009, 12:01 AM
Arent good enough to compete against the Mighty Nuggets? You won FOUR more games than the Mavs during the regular season despite not having near the injury problems they had.

The right call is made and the Mavs get the series to 2-1 with a chance to tie the series at home in the next game.

The Mavs arent good enough to compete with the Lakers, and ya know what buddy... neither are the Nuggets. The Lakers are gonna waltz into the NBA Finals against the Cavs, whether you will admit it or not.

I have no problem being realistic, look through the posts ive been saying all along the call was blown at the end of the game. And four more wins is guess what how many times we beat you during the regular season.

You can say all of the if's you want but the fact of the matter is the Nuggets are 3-0 and 7-1 in this years playoffs. And by the looks of it the Lakers are 6-2 so say what you want the Nuggets are a much better team than they were in the regular season check out quotes from Barkley, Smith and Webber some of the guys that doubted the Nuggets they are all saying they are good enough to go all the way.

Do I believe the Nuggets can go into LA and win. It's possible, but most likely it will be LA and Cleveland in the finals.

Game_Over
05-10-2009, 12:04 AM
and its truely pathetic to say you lost respect for a team who was visibly upset that a bad call pretty much just ended their season. Truely pathetic.

The way your owner acted after the game and Howard I think is more pathetic, your owner should take some notes from Dirk, I have all the respect in the world for Dirk class act. Maybe you should take some notes from him aswell!!

Namy
05-10-2009, 12:06 AM
The Mavs shot 9 more FT's than the Nuggets. Thats not a great discrepency, so I fail to see your point. Home teams in general usually do shoot more FT's because teams tend to be more aggressive at home.

The Mavs should of won the game, and the refs ****ed up a call that cost them the game. If you cant see why Mavs fans are pointing towards one play then you are a little slow my friend.

Look, I'll concede that Wright did indeed foul him. But I think you should blame Wright more than the refs. There are ways to make an obvious foul without committing a flagrant (which is his lame excuse). He grazed Melo's elbow - but look again: it looks like he's trying to steal the ball. He follows his weak foul attempt by backing off and raising his hands - a move to indicate that you did not foul someone. Not only that, but look at your coaching staff. They are doing the exact same thing. Carlisle can say whatever he wants, but INTENT-wise it seems as though the Mavs did not want to foul Melo on that particular play.

It's unfortunate for the Mavs, but my point is that the game isn't WON by that shot. It boiled down to it, but Melo nonetheless shot an off-balanced, highly difficult shot, and the Mavs had NUMEROUS opportunities LATE in the game to seal the deal. The Mavs were aggressive at home, but the Nugget were equally aggressive imo (but faced home-court adversity, as expected). When you look at the big picture, the Nuggets and Mavericks probably faced an equal amount of bad calls, and the fact is that even though Melo got the last shot, EVERY point matters (and trust me, you guys got a lot in that third quarter where it seemed like half your points came from FTs).

Anyways, I'm done arguing this play. You can call Nuggets fan classless, but you yourself should give the Nuggets some credit. It's not like the refs handed it to them. Both teams faced bad officiating. It was an equal playing field.

JRBillupsMelo
05-10-2009, 12:07 AM
Clutch? He hit a open shot... big freakin deal. Wright commited the foul and completely backed off expecting that any competent NBA ref would call the foul. That left Melo wide open... most NBA players can hit about 60% of wide open threes....

They didnt deserve the win, they got the benefit of a terrible call. Why cant you just admit it?

and its truely pathetic to say you lost respect for a team who was visibly upset that a bad call pretty much just ended their season. Truely pathetic.


Blah Blah......Any ref would let that shot go, expecting an average NBA player to not make that shot in such an intense time of the game.....But Melo isn't an avergae NBA player and can make shots like that..
60% of NBA players can't consistently make game winning shots, especially when under such playoff type of atmosphere....


A CLUTCH SHOT [whether open or guarded] is a shot that is made at a time during the end of the game that changes the momentum or changes the scores for the teams....And then leads a team to a victory!! And that was just 1 in many clutch shots that Melo has made....


Nuggets deserved the win....Get over it....They are the better team.

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 12:08 AM
I have no problem being realistic, look through the posts ive been saying all along the call was blown at the end of the game. And four more wins is guess what how many times we beat you during the regular season.

You can say all of the if's you want but the fact of the matter is the Nuggets are 3-0 and 7-1 in this years playoffs. And by the looks of it the Lakers are 6-2 so say what you want the Nuggets are a much better team than they were in the regular season check out quotes from Barkley, Smith and Webber some of the guys that doubted the Nuggets they are all saying they are good enough to go all the way.

Do I believe the Nuggets can go into LA and win. It's possible, but most likely it will be LA and Cleveland in the finals.

The fact is the series should be 2-1 with game 4 being at home for the Mavs, giving them a chance to tie the series and basically making the last 3 a best of three series. Instead its 3-0 and it would take a monumental collapse for the Nuggets to lose the series.... so I and every Mavs fan has the right to complain all the want.

Nobody here is saying Nuggets fans need to apologize for the way they got the victory, but to at least ackowledge that if the right call was made they wouldnt of gotten it and admit you were lucky. Thats all.

avsman05
05-10-2009, 12:10 AM
The fact is the series should be 2-1 with game 4 being at home for the Mavs, giving them a chance to tie the series and basically making the last 3 a best of three series. Instead its 3-0 and it would take a monumental collapse for the Nuggets to lose the series.... so I and every Mavs fan has the right to complain all the want.

Nobody here is saying Nuggets fans need to apologize for the way they got the victory, but to at least ackowledge that if the right call was made they wouldnt of gotten it and admit you were lucky. Thats all.

It's true they were lucky. Melo never gets any love from the NBA that 3 was extremely clutch you gotta admit that though too.

Game_Over
05-10-2009, 12:12 AM
Anyways, I'm done arguing this play. You can call Nuggets fan classless, but you yourself should give the Nuggets some credit. It's not like the refs handed it to them. Both teams faced bad officiating. It was an equal playing field.

:clap:Great point I think the Nuggets forum is pretty classy and want to keep it that way, sorry Mavs fans as I said in the NFL forum the NBA is the worst officiating in any major sports.. I think the refs took this game over from the first quarter and never stopped.. Good luck Dallas, one other thing man Dirk is a beast much props to him, if he had help this would be a great series!!

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 12:13 AM
Look, I'll concede that Wright did indeed foul him. But I think you should blame Wright more than the refs. There are ways to make an obvious foul without committing a flagrant (which is his lame excuse). He grazed Melo's elbow - but look again: it looks like he's trying to steal the ball. He follows his weak foul attempt by backing off and raising his hands - a move to indicate that you did not foul someone. Not only that, but look at your coaching staff. They are doing the exact same thing. Carlisle can say whatever he wants, but INTENT-wise it seems as though the Mavs did not want to foul Melo on that particular play.

It's unfortunate for the Mavs, but my point is that the game isn't WON by that shot. It boiled down to it, but Melo nonetheless shot an off-balanced, highly difficult shot, and the Mavs had NUMEROUS opportunities LATE in the game to seal the deal. The Mavs were aggressive at home, but the Nugget were equally aggressive imo (but faced home-court adversity, as expected). When you look at the big picture, the Nuggets and Mavericks probably faced an equal amount of bad calls, and the fact is that even though Melo got the last shot, EVERY point matters (and trust me, you guys got a lot in that third quarter where it seemed like half your points came from FTs).

Anyways, I'm done arguing this play. You can call Nuggets fan classless, but you yourself should give the Nuggets some credit. It's not like the refs handed it to them. Both teams faced bad officiating. It was an equal playing field.

It wasnt an equal playing field when a clear call gives a team a game. Period. The Mavs did enough to win that game, and had it taken away from them.

Ya know the reason why Melos shot was off balanced? Because he got fouled and bumped by Wright, calling him to fall off balance.

Unless its not against the rules to bump players and make them shoot off balanced shots then Wright commited enough of a foul to get a call, hence making your arguement pointless.

I give the Nuggets all the credit in the world for beating the Mavs in game 1 and 2, but game 3 was the Mavs and it got taken from them. Period.

Kohaku
05-10-2009, 12:13 AM
This must suck for mavs fans...

BRAVE KID
05-10-2009, 12:15 AM
attacking the nugs fanbase again bomber? seems like it.

JRBillupsMelo
05-10-2009, 12:16 AM
It wasnt an equal playing field when a clear call gives a team a game. Period. The Mavs did enough to win that game, and had it taken away from them.

Ya know the reason why Melos shot was off balanced? Because he got fouled and bumped by Wright, calling him to fall off balance.

Unless its not against the rules to bump players and make them shoot off balanced shots then Wright commited enough of a foul to get a call, hence making your arguement pointless.

I give the Nuggets all the credit in the world for beating the Mavs in game 1 and 2, but game 3 was the Mavs and it got taken from them. Period.



No, it was deserved...And if the refs woulda called that foul, they woulda included the shot Melo made and added a FT to it...I bet you they would've made it a 4 pt chance.....I hope we whipe the Mavs and Mark Cuban out next game.

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 12:25 AM
No, it was deserved...And if the refs woulda called that foul, they woulda included the shot Melo made and added a FT to it...I bet you they would've made it a 4 pt chance.....I hope we whipe the Mavs and Mark Cuban out next game.

He dribbled after the foul was commited, meaning it would of been on the floor. If you were older than 11 and knew NBA rules you would know it wasnt a shooting foul.

bothfeef
05-10-2009, 12:26 AM
mavs blew a 4 pt lead with 30 seconds to go. even if they did call a foul, the nugs would have still had a chance, so I think it's presumptuous to assume that the mavs would have won.

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 12:27 AM
attacking the nugs fanbase again bomber? seems like it.

Seeing that not one of them can just come out and admit that the Mavs got screwed out of a victory, they deserve it.... feel free to be the first.

avsman05
05-10-2009, 12:30 AM
Seeing that not one of them can just come out and admit that the Mavs got screwed out of a victory, they deserve it.... feel free to be the first.

How many times have i said in the last page the mavs got screwed?:speechless:

Kohaku
05-10-2009, 12:30 AM
Seeing that not one of them can just come out and admit that the Mavs got screwed out of a victory, they deserve it.... feel free to be the first.

I admit, it was a foul. But uh..since it wasn't called..melo made a clutch 3. But then again, had the refs called a foul on Wright...we would have 2-3 seconds to give melo one last look at a shot...and he's been known to knock some clutch shots down. In any case, Mavs got screwed. It was a tough loss.

JRBillupsMelo
05-10-2009, 12:32 AM
He dribbled after the foul was commited, meaning it would of been on the floor. If you were older than 11 and knew NBA rules you would know it wasnt a shooting foul.


Please....I hear all this talk about "PLAYOFFS ARE PHYSICAL"...."IT'S PLAYOFF BASKETBALL, REFS LET TEAMS PLAY".....bUT WHEN A mavs player makes a sissy foul attempt and doesn't get called for it in a playoff game, all this excuse and complaints come in all resulting in a contradiction to REFS letting teams play....


Mavs had this game, Mavs coulda won...They blew it...And your left with excuses to the refs , instead of being a realist to your team being a failure in closin out games...Congrats Mavs fan.

Game_Over
05-10-2009, 12:38 AM
Nuggs fans it is just one Dallas fan not all of them, just ignore him and be happy with the win.. Give him a day or two to cool down then talk to him..

DenButsu
05-10-2009, 12:39 AM
You have GOT to be kidding me. I like to think of you as a being a unbias NBA poster who is a Nuggets fan, but this is clearly a Nuggets homer post.

The NBA mere hours after the game ended came out with a statement saying that they ****ed up and should of made the call, yet you say the Mavs have nothing to complain about?

The series is now pretty much over at 3-0 when it should be 2-1 and a home win away from a tied series and you have the nerve to say the Mavs have nothing to complain about? Just shut the hell up because we both know if you were a Mavs fan you would be complaining your *** off.

Just admit you stole a win you didnt deserve and got the lucky break. Be a man about it. You are even worse then a sore loser, you are a sore winner....

Way to quote the very last sentence of my post and ignore the many points I made before it.

So just to recap:

1) Dallas should not have even had a foul to give in the final seconds of the game due to the several no calls which had already gone their way in the fourth quarter. When will the NBA release a statement acknowledging those no calls that facilitated that situation in the first place? Never, I'm sure, as they will also not release a statement saying (the truth) that the officiating was horribly biased in the Mavericks' favor throughout the entire game, espeically in the 3rd quarter when Denver was hit with EIGHTEEN fouls. So while it's very easy and convenient for you to zoom in on a single blown call, there were PLENTY of them through the entire game that you are (just as easily and conveniently) refusing to admit were just as much a part of the game as the final no call on Melo. And in fact, in game 1 this is the exact same thing that all the Mavs fans were complaining about, saying the game was handed to Denver by the refs because the calls went Denver's way through the whole game. But I guess it's not such a big deal when the tables are turned, huh? Not something to pay any attention to then?

2) With 0:31 remaining in the game, Dallas was up four points and their defense parted like the red sea to allow Melo to drive in for an easy layup to cut the lead to 2 and put Denver in range in the first place. You gonna blame Denver for that?

3) With 0:07 remaining, Dirk had the chance to step on Denver's throat and put the game away for good, and he missed his shot. You gonna blame Denver for that, too? (Actually, in this case you probably should, since K-Mart was right up in his face).

4) Wright's foul, while it was technically a foul, was a really, really WEAK, WEAK play. That type of VERY minimal contact chest-to-shoulder foul would AT BEST be called no more than half the time anyways under normal circumstances, but more often the refs would let slide. And subsequently, Wright's second mistake of the play was to stop playing instead of playing through when no whistle was blown. He just assumed he had done enough without fully committing to the play and seeing it through to its conclusion as Melo (rightfully) did.

5) Denver shot what, like 33% in the first half, in Dallas' home court, lost their best defensive player off the bench in the 3rd quarter due to foul trouble, had Nene playing with 5 fouls for the ENTIRE fourth quarter, got hit with 18 fouls in the 3rd quarter, a quarter in which Dallas beat the Nuggets by 4 points to turn their halftime 3 point lead into a 1 point deficit going into the 4th, Kidd went into hero mode in the 4th and was going nuts posting up Billups, and STILL the Mavericks failed to put the game out of the Nuggets' reach in by the final minutes of the game. But I guess you want to blame that failure on Denver or the refs, too?

6) Foul or not (and it was, but a weak one), Melo's final shot was CLUTCH AS ****, and Dirk CHOKED on his chance to do the same. TWICE.


So yeah, give me a freakin break that Denver didn't deserve to win this game. Cry me a river. If you choose to look only at the final 6.5 seconds, and ignore the 47:53.5 of the game that transpired before that, and call me a homer based on your tunnel vision, then so be it. But Denver (and the refs) gave Dallas every chance in the world to win this game again, and again, and again - and Dallas failed again, and again, and again.

We have nothing to own up to, and nothing to apologize for.

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 12:41 AM
How many times have i said in the last page the mavs got screwed?:speechless:

My mistake, I didnt read the last page fully yet.

At least we got one classy Nuggets fan. Thats all I am realistically asking for. Nobody is asking for any apologies, just for it to be recognized.

DenButsu
05-10-2009, 12:45 AM
they deserve it

We'll somehow find a way to get over it.

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 12:48 AM
Den, your points are ********.

1. If you are right and the Mavs should of never really had a foul to give, then Wright would of guarded Melo the entire time, making that shot ALOT more difficult and most likely a miss. Instead he commited a foul and Melo shot a open shot when the whistle should of been blown. So yeah, your first point sucks.

2. To reply to your points at about Melo's dunk and Dirk missing the shot... you are actually saying that the Mavs should be expected to play better to get a win than they actually needed to if the right call was made. Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

Read Superkeggers post in the thread about the NBA's announcement falling the game. You are coming off to look like a complete homer here.

Regardless of how well the Mavs played in the final 30 seconds, they did enough to win the game if the right call was made. PERIOD.

JRBillupsMelo
05-10-2009, 12:54 AM
Den, your points are ********.

1. If you are right and the Mavs should of never really had a foul to give, then Wright would of guarded Melo the entire time, making that shot ALOT more difficult and most likely a miss. Instead he commited a foul and Melo shot a open shot when the whistle should of been blown. So yeah, your first point sucks.

2. To reply to your points at about Melo's dunk and Dirk missing the shot... you are actually saying that the Mavs should be expected to play better to get a win than they actually needed to if the right call was made. Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

Read Superkeggers post in the thread about the NBA's announcement falling the game. You are coming off to look like a complete homer here.

Regardless of how well the Mavs played in the final 30 seconds, they did enough to win the game if the right call was made. PERIOD.



If right CALLS were made, this game wouldn't even have been close...Nuggets woulda won by more....Mavs didn't hit key,clutch shots, while the Nuggets/Melo did.....The better team won, and Nuggets deserved to win after keeping up with a 33% shooting percentage in the first half.....Melo after being doubted of being unable to make moves in the playoffs, finally makes a key shot in the 2nd round and gets criticized.....Your a mavs fan who can't be a man and admit Melo made a great shot.

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 01:11 AM
If right CALLS were made, this game wouldn't even have been close...Nuggets woulda won by more....Mavs didn't hit key,clutch shots, while the Nuggets/Melo did.....The better team won, and Nuggets deserved to win after keeping up with a 33% shooting percentage in the first half.....Melo after being doubted of being unable to make moves in the playoffs, finally makes a key shot in the 2nd round and gets criticized.....Your a mavs fan who can't be a man and admit Melo made a great shot.

Jason Terrys big 3 from the corner wasnt a big shot?

You can argue the better team won, but what you cant argue is that the team that deserved to win that particular game won.

Melo made an open shot when the whistle should of been blown dead. For that, I give no credit.

DenButsu
05-10-2009, 01:14 AM
Den, your points are ********.

1. If you are right and the Mavs should of never really had a foul to give, then Wright would of guarded Melo the entire time, making that shot ALOT more difficult and most likely a miss. Instead he commited a foul and Melo shot a open shot when the whistle should of been blown. So yeah, your first point sucks.

Yeah, cause Wright can totally lock down Melo. :rolleyes:

What are you saying exactly, that Dallas would actually have preferred not to have a foul to give? And you call my point ********?


2. To reply to your points at about Melo's dunk and Dirk missing the shot... you are actually saying that the Mavs should be expected to play better to get a win than they actually needed to if the right call was made. Do you realize how dumb that sounds?

Well it sounds dumb the way you're saying it because it's actually not what I said at all. Go back and re-read what I wrote instead of twisting it around to mean something different.


Read Superkeggers post in the thread about the NBA's announcement falling the game. You are coming off to look like a complete homer here.

I know it makes you feel better to call me that, and that's okay. But no, I understand that it was a foul and a mistaken no call, but I also understand that a whole lot of other officiating mistakes happened before that in the game which neither you nor the NBA official press release people are acknowledging, and that the bulk of those mistakes went in Dallas' favor.


Regardless of how well the Mavs played in the final 30 seconds, they did enough to win the game if the right call was made. PERIOD.

And even that is not true. Necessarily. PERIOD.


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But don't take my word for it, listen to perennial Nuggets homer Jason Kidd (http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/05/jason-kidd-blown-call-didnt-cost-mavs-th.html):


"The game didn't come down to that last play," Kidd said. "We tried to take a foul and didn't get that. You've got to make plays down the stretch and we didn't do that."

Kidd credited Nuggets star Chauncey Billups and Carmelo Anthony for making the plays that made the difference. Billups scored 23 of his 32 points in the second half. Anthony had five of his 31 points in the final 30 seconds, including the controversial game-winning 3.

"This history of this league is games are won or lost by the players coming down the stretch," said Kidd, who had three of his 13 points and two of his five points in the fourth quarter. "The officials' tendency is not to make a call and let the players decide the game."

JRBillupsMelo
05-10-2009, 01:16 AM
Jason Terrys big 3 from the corner wasnt a big shot?

You can argue the better team won, but what you cant argue is that the team that deserved to win that particular game won.

Melo made an open shot when the whistle should of been blown dead. For that, I give no credit.


Who cares about Jason Terrys big 3...It wasn't a game winner...And thats why I give no acknowledgement concernin whether the refs made a bad decision or not!!! Because that sissy foul didn't deserve a call....Melo made a great shot, and it was clutch.....Mavs failed.

BlondeBomber41
05-10-2009, 01:32 AM
You Nuggets fans are classic. Cant just admit the foul should of been called and the series should be 2-1. Instead you try to think of some deep, complicated reason why something that happened earlier in the game should mean the Nuggets deserved it.

You should realize you are being a homer when its only Nuggets fans who wont admit that the Mavs should of won the game.... but I guess not.

JRBillupsMelo
05-10-2009, 01:36 AM
You Nuggets fans are classic. Cant just admit the foul should of been called and the series should be 2-1. Instead you try to think of some deep, complicated reason why something that happened earlier in the game should mean the Nuggets deserved it.

You should realize you are being a homer when its only Nuggets fans who wont admit that the Mavs should of won the game.... but I guess not.


Like I said, I wont admit to anything if you can't....You accusin Nuggets fans of your own flaw right now....You can't admit that Melo made a good shot....And I wont admit to any sissy little touch being a foul....Wright gave Melo a tap when reaching in, and you expect refs to make that call with 3 or 2 seconds left???? Get real...Your makin yourself sound like a joke with all this complaining.

#1Mavericksfan
05-10-2009, 01:43 AM
Like I said, I wont admit to anything if you can't....You accusin Nuggets fans of your own flaw right now....You can't admit that Melo made a good shot....And I wont admit to any sissy little touch being a foul....Wright gave Melo a tap when reaching in, and you expect refs to make that call with 3 or 2 seconds left???? Get real...Your makin yourself sound like a joke with all this complaining.

The nba front office even said they got it wrong you bandwagon Nuggets fan.

JRBillupsMelo
05-10-2009, 01:49 AM
The nba front office even said they got it wrong you bandwagon Nuggets fan.

I gives a dam what the NBA front office said....There was so many bad calls in the game, and so many opportunities for your frail Mavs team to win......Yall screwed up, Nowitzki choked....And that Wright reach-in was weak.....And the way your owner Mark Cuban reacted, really showed some "class".

And i'm far from bandwagon, been watchin the Nuggets forever....Now go whipe ya eyes.

#1Mavericksfan
05-10-2009, 01:54 AM
I gives a dam what the NBA front office said....There was so many bad calls in the game, and so many opportunities for your frail Mavs team to win......Yall screwed up, Nowitzki choked....And that Wright reach-in was weak.....And the way your owner Mark Cuban reacted, really showed some "class".

And i'm far from bandwagon, been watchin the Nuggets forever....Now go whipe ya eyes.

what goes around comes around so enjoy this bandwagon fan......

BRAVE KID
05-10-2009, 01:55 AM
this is going nowhere, complain what you want mavs fans, but restrain from attacking fanbases or posters, no need for that, that goes for nugs fans or any other fan as well

JordansBulls
05-10-2009, 01:55 AM
Well want more would you want than a #1 and #2 seed going at it in the conference finals?

JRBillupsMelo
05-10-2009, 01:56 AM
what goes around comes around so enjoy this bandwagon fan......

You dam right what goes around comes around...And all the **** the nuggets went through the past couple of years in the playoffs is paying off in the form of experienced and hungry determination from this team. Get right, and move on. Game 4 monday.

avsman05
05-10-2009, 02:00 AM
Well want more would you want than a #1 and #2 seed going at it in the conference finals?

The #2 and #5 matchup hehe

BRAVE KID
05-10-2009, 02:01 AM
We'll somehow find a way to get over it.3-0, I'm good.

audiosway
05-10-2009, 02:52 AM
I'm a huge Mavs fan and honestly expected the series to be a tossup due to the Mavs injuries and I think they are missing one or two more solid players. So, with that in mind I'm ok with them losing this series. In their present form I don't see them getting past the Lakers. (That goes for the Nuggets as well.) The winner of this series is not winning a title this year. But, to have a referee decide a game in that fashion is not cool. (For all you Nuggets fans looking to bash me the league came out and said it was a wrong call.) Not only that but the biggest problem I have is that it happens to be Bennett Salvatore's crew. He is the same ref that is infamous for another wrong call during the 2006 finals with Dallas and Miami that decided a game and ultimately the series. (1 of way too many wrong calls in that series.) ESPN Chronicles bad ref calls in finals. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060620)
I'm really starting to think that the NBA has lost me as a fan. If I wanted to watch a fake/rigged sport I would watch WWE. After all Donaghy said he wasn't the only one out there. I didn't think it was true but...I'm even starting to wonder. To many instances of this stuff happening and not just to the Mavs. Miami against Detoit 2006 playoffs, Lakers/Kings 2002. There are tons of them on you tube. Lakers vs Heat.

Game_Over
05-10-2009, 02:56 AM
Melo's game winner was espn's #1 play of the day well deserved Melo clutch!!!:clap:

JayW_1023
05-10-2009, 07:23 AM
The Lakers are gonna have a hard time against Denver.

AirJordan23
05-10-2009, 07:29 PM
The #2 and #5 matchup hehe

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