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bossup2
04-17-2009, 04:02 PM
i saw on espn news that tim kurkjan(sp) said the red sox will actively pursue cabrera or matt holliday because of ortiz struggles and they might offer enough to the tigers to pry him away because of his contract.... i say NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Bongalicious
04-17-2009, 04:13 PM
Don't get too wrapped up in all of this talk, it's all speculative. Besides, wouldn't it make more sense for us to unload Ordonez or Guillen? Or Willis or Robertson? A deal involving Cabrera just doesn't make sense.

I'm not worried.

bossup2
04-17-2009, 04:44 PM
yea thats how i felt too, it was gammons not kurkjan ,my mistake

mkool65
04-17-2009, 05:15 PM
And if we did give him up it would take half of their farm system. I wouldn't worry about it, it would be nice to get some prospects for Mags if he continues to struggle. Still too early to make any major moves now.

JMDTM
04-17-2009, 05:24 PM
yeah. well see what happens. i love Miggy, so theyd have to give us a ton to let him go

FatSacks
04-17-2009, 07:54 PM
If DET is out of it near the dealine Maggs is the first to go, followed by Guillen and Polanco. Inge, Robertson and Willis are all much less likely due to low value and huge contracts.

Cabrera isn't going anywhere. He, Granderson and Verlander/Jackson/Galaragga are a pretty solid foundation. Couple that with Zumaya staying heathy and Porcello's development and the future isn't so dim for the Tigers.

I don't see them being out of it at the deadline this year. I have faith in Leyland and the starting rotation has surprised me so far. Take Miner out and add Bondo and 8-9 game win streaks really aren't out of the question.

Bondomania
04-18-2009, 12:43 AM
Yeah, if Miggy was traded to Boston.. the negotiating would start with Lester, Bucholz, Papelbon and probably a prospect if not two.. so i mean if Boston wants to give all that up then sure.. maybe you consider it.. but it would be hard to trade away Miggy

cocossox
04-18-2009, 10:16 AM
IMO it wont take as much as your claiming Bondomainia, Det has big time money problems, only game #10 so we'll see.

Bondomania
04-18-2009, 12:25 PM
that is just east coast media ********.. people think the Tigers are going to struggle.. but what people don't realize is that after this year we have almost 30 million coming off our books, and in 2010 we have another 20-30 million.. you guys think you guys are just going to get him for nothing.. and that is sad and pathetic. Especially considering we have a billionaire owner. The fans of Detroit will support this team if they can win.. right now the Tigers are playing an exciting brand of baseball and the fans are starting to come back to them after that disaster of season last year where we were slow and played bad baseball. We have a sick rotation.. our bullpen leaves a little to be desired.. but our offense is still sick as ****. What you have to realize is this is a 26 year old in the prime of his career that is just flat out sick. Prior to us getting him he was a 4 or even 5 prospect for 1 type player. When the Dodgers made a run at him 2 years ago they were going to trade both Kershaw and Matt Kemp for him. The Angels were going to trade Ervin Santana and Nick Adenhart.. we gave up 2 of the top ten prospects in baseball for him.. plus 4 other prospects.. So you boston guys who think we are going to have a fire sale and just give him to you have another thing coming.. He is signed for 7 more years and to an extremely reasonable contract.. and he is a player we will continue to build this team around. Also, despite the Tigers minor league system being ranked near last.. we still have a lot of prospects that will be coming up here in the near future and we will retool this team and we will be competitive for year.. we have bullpen arms that will be lights out, we have starting pitchers that are flat out dominating this years.. so we are actually in a position of strength in this deal.. because like i said.. we don't have to deal him, and the money issues are being blown out of proportion.. i mean we paid Gary Sheffield 15 mill. just to go away.. i doubt if we were in that dire of a money position we would do that.. plus our owner owns the Red Wings (brings in tons of cash), Owns Olympia Entertainment, and i believe he owns a Casino in downtown detroit.. he certainly is not hurting for cash in the least bit..

marlinsfan24
04-18-2009, 12:27 PM
Miggy for Maybin Stanton Cantu Tucker and Thompson ;)

Bondomania
04-18-2009, 12:29 PM
you have to give up talent to get talent, something Boston and New York fans sometimes fail to realize.. especially for an all world talent like Miguel Cabrera

Bondomania
04-18-2009, 12:30 PM
Anything with Florida would have to involve Josh Johnson.. i actually kinda want Miller back.. but that's just because he still has raw potential..

marlinsfan24
04-18-2009, 12:32 PM
I wouldn't mind sending Miller back. And I think a package built around Miller and Stanton would get it done. So many scouts are high on Stanton.

Bondomania
04-18-2009, 12:38 PM
The Marlins can't afford Miggy right now.. maybe when their new stadium opens.. but until then aren't they pretty cash strapped? they can't afford a guy like Miggy and his 18 mill. contract... Also, i think at this point, you can't base a deal around Miller, given his struggles at the major league level.. obviously Stanton would be the prize in the deal.. but Miller would be more of a throw in at this point... he just hasn't had much success in the majors.. although, i wouldn't mind seeing him try to be a closer.. i think he could be sick.. just tell him to let it all hang out.. get his fastball up to 98-99 from the leftside, and just spot it well.. that's all he would have to do.. haha.. maybe mix in the occassional slider and he has the recipe to be a good closer

Bongalicious
04-18-2009, 01:05 PM
that is just east coast media ********.. people think the Tigers are going to struggle.. but what people don't realize is that after this year we have almost 30 million coming off our books, and in 2010 we have another 20-30 million.. you guys think you guys are just going to get him for nothing.. and that is sad and pathetic. Especially considering we have a billionaire owner. The fans of Detroit will support this team if they can win.. right now the Tigers are playing an exciting brand of baseball and the fans are starting to come back to them after that disaster of season last year where we were slow and played bad baseball. We have a sick rotation.. our bullpen leaves a little to be desired.. but our offense is still sick as ****. What you have to realize is this is a 26 year old in the prime of his career that is just flat out sick. Prior to us getting him he was a 4 or even 5 prospect for 1 type player. When the Dodgers made a run at him 2 years ago they were going to trade both Kershaw and Matt Kemp for him. The Angels were going to trade Ervin Santana and Nick Adenhart.. we gave up 2 of the top ten prospects in baseball for him.. plus 4 other prospects.. So you boston guys who think we are going to have a fire sale and just give him to you have another thing coming.. He is signed for 7 more years and to an extremely reasonable contract.. and he is a player we will continue to build this team around. Also, despite the Tigers minor league system being ranked near last.. we still have a lot of prospects that will be coming up here in the near future and we will retool this team and we will be competitive for year.. we have bullpen arms that will be lights out, we have starting pitchers that are flat out dominating this years.. so we are actually in a position of strength in this deal.. because like i said.. we don't have to deal him, and the money issues are being blown out of proportion.. i mean we paid Gary Sheffield 15 mill. just to go away.. i doubt if we were in that dire of a money position we would do that.. plus our owner owns the Red Wings (brings in tons of cash), Owns Olympia Entertainment, and i believe he owns a Casino in downtown detroit.. he certainly is not hurting for cash in the least bit..

Exactly. :clap:

Bondomania
04-18-2009, 01:35 PM
oh yeah.. and i forgot.. the AL central is extremely weak this year and is certainly winnable for the Tigers

MVPedroia
04-18-2009, 03:55 PM
Yeah, if Miggy was traded to Boston.. the negotiating would start with Lester, Bucholz, Papelbon and probably a prospect if not two.. so i mean if Boston wants to give all that up then sure.. maybe you consider it.. but it would be hard to trade away Miggy

you are delusional

Osiagledknarf
04-18-2009, 11:50 PM
Okay, speaking as a Red Sox fan, I'll be the first to admit that there are a lot of delusional Sox fans commenting on this whole Miguel Cabrera rumor. There certainly have been rumors about Detroit (the team, and more so the city) having some financial problems. So while there might be something to that, I'm not sure to what extent.

We all realize Cabrera would require a king's ransom to trade for. Personally, I'm not too optimistic about this whole deal for several reasons:

-I value prospects pretty highly, and the Boston Front Office does too
-I can't see a reason for Detroit to trade Cabrera unless things REALLY fall apart
-I don't actually see an obvious place on the Red Sox for Cabrera (who's offense is world class, but who's defense would be a downgrade at any position in the Red Sox defense).

Now, personally I think this trade has very, very little chance of happening. I think Detroit would only trade Cabrera if they HAD to...that is, if the money thing really became a threat to the franchise. I don't know what the likelihood of that is, but for the sake of argument let's just say that's the hypothetical scenario.

So, if that's the case and Detroit is FORCED to move Cabrera, the demands obviously need to go down a little. Detroit obviously has the right to pick and choose whatever offer they prefer, though. However, any team that enters negotiations with the Red Sox claiming that they start with Lester has already ended the negotiation.

If it were me running the show, you can certainly have Papelbon. He's a great closer, but he has no intention of signing an extension with us until he sees what he can get as a free agent. If you want him, I'd deal him and the 3 years left of his controllability.

At any rate, considering the Red Sox situation, my maximum offer for a deal RIGHT NOW would be something like:

-Clay Buchholz
-Michael Bowden (Our #2 prospect, a SP)
-Manny Delcarmen (A solid middle relief or set up pitcher, with a career ERA+ of 140)
-Your choice of a prospect NOT named Daniel Bard or Lars Anderson.
-As much money as MLB will let change hands in a deal

That's a very solid haul, that hurts for me to even offer. If you want to extend the deal so that we take a garbage contract like Willis' off your hands, you can add to it ONE more prospect of ours from the following list:

-Stolmy Pimentel (Right Handed SP)
-Kris Johnson (Left Handed SP)
-Luis Exposito (Catcher)
-Che-Hsuan Lin (Right Handed OF, and MVP of the 2008 Futures Game)
-Oscar Tejeda (Right Handed SS)

All of them are in our Top 20.

If we're talking about a deal that occurs AFTER 2009, during the 2009-2010 offseason, we can start to include Papelbon into the equation. Of course, that would remove Buchholz from it. So, essentially, the same players as above but substitute Papelbon for Buchholz. Still a very fair deal.

At any rate, we all understand that the Tigers certainly have a choice in the matter...and can absolutely just sit on Cabrera and watch him club 35-40HR's and drive in 100+ RBI a year for them instead of someone else. We get that.

The point I'm trying to make is that we know Cabrera is going to be expensive. That does not mean we should overpay, either. A deal like above is pretty fair for both sides.

aabar4518
04-19-2009, 10:10 AM
would you guys take reddick, bowden, and buchholz?

dddtfan
04-19-2009, 11:15 AM
Okay, speaking as a Red Sox fan, I'll be the first to admit that there are a lot of delusional Sox fans commenting on this whole Miguel Cabrera rumor. There certainly have been rumors about Detroit (the team, and more so the city) having some financial problems. So while there might be something to that, I'm not sure to what extent.

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The point I'm trying to make is that we know Cabrera is going to be expensive. That does not mean we should overpay, either. A deal like above is pretty fair for both sides.

You say "we" should overpay like you'd be the only ones in line if the Tigers were FORCED to trade Cabrera. The line would be long in trying to acquire him and the Tigers certainly wouldn't have to drop demands for him.

Guillen yes, Maggs yes, Bonderman, Willis, yes, yes....This generations Babe Ruth...no. The point is moot. As long as Mr Illitch draws breath, Miggy goes nowhere. DD didn't even think we should try to acquire him until Mr I went to DD and told him to ask the Marlins the question. When the Marlins couldn't get what they wanted from the Angels, they called back and the deal was done...because Mr I wanted him.

This whole thing is rumour-mongering by the elite press of Boston and Peter Gammons expressing out loud what he fantasizes about at night for his beloved Red Sox like it has some chance at reality just because he said it.

The entire thing is laughable.

Hockeytown
04-19-2009, 03:18 PM
Okay, speaking as a Red Sox fan, I'll be the first to admit that there are a lot of delusional Sox fans commenting on this whole Miguel Cabrera rumor. There certainly have been rumors about Detroit (the team, and more so the city) having some financial problems. So while there might be something to that, I'm not sure to what extent.

We all realize Cabrera would require a king's ransom to trade for. Personally, I'm not too optimistic about this whole deal for several reasons:

-I value prospects pretty highly, and the Boston Front Office does too
-I can't see a reason for Detroit to trade Cabrera unless things REALLY fall apart
-I don't actually see an obvious place on the Red Sox for Cabrera (who's offense is world class, but who's defense would be a downgrade at any position in the Red Sox defense).

Now, personally I think this trade has very, very little chance of happening. I think Detroit would only trade Cabrera if they HAD to...that is, if the money thing really became a threat to the franchise. I don't know what the likelihood of that is, but for the sake of argument let's just say that's the hypothetical scenario.

So, if that's the case and Detroit is FORCED to move Cabrera, the demands obviously need to go down a little. Detroit obviously has the right to pick and choose whatever offer they prefer, though. However, any team that enters negotiations with the Red Sox claiming that they start with Lester has already ended the negotiation.

If it were me running the show, you can certainly have Papelbon. He's a great closer, but he has no intention of signing an extension with us until he sees what he can get as a free agent. If you want him, I'd deal him and the 3 years left of his controllability.

At any rate, considering the Red Sox situation, my maximum offer for a deal RIGHT NOW would be something like:

-Clay Buchholz
-Michael Bowden (Our #2 prospect, a SP)
-Manny Delcarmen (A solid middle relief or set up pitcher, with a career ERA+ of 140)
-Your choice of a prospect NOT named Daniel Bard or Lars Anderson.
-As much money as MLB will let change hands in a deal

That's a very solid haul, that hurts for me to even offer. If you want to extend the deal so that we take a garbage contract like Willis' off your hands, you can add to it ONE more prospect of ours from the following list:

-Stolmy Pimentel (Right Handed SP)
-Kris Johnson (Left Handed SP)
-Luis Exposito (Catcher)
-Che-Hsuan Lin (Right Handed OF, and MVP of the 2008 Futures Game)
-Oscar Tejeda (Right Handed SS)

All of them are in our Top 20.

If we're talking about a deal that occurs AFTER 2009, during the 2009-2010 offseason, we can start to include Papelbon into the equation. Of course, that would remove Buchholz from it. So, essentially, the same players as above but substitute Papelbon for Buchholz. Still a very fair deal.

At any rate, we all understand that the Tigers certainly have a choice in the matter...and can absolutely just sit on Cabrera and watch him club 35-40HR's and drive in 100+ RBI a year for them instead of someone else. We get that.

The point I'm trying to make is that we know Cabrera is going to be expensive. That does not mean we should overpay, either. A deal like above is pretty fair for both sides.

How about adding that 3B Almanazar (spelling and cant remember his first name to it).

That would probably in the area of what it would take though.

But I still don't think he ever gets traded. Money isn't an issue under Illitch and unless we are the worst team in the majors and start a fire sale its not happening.

Bondomania
04-19-2009, 05:11 PM
dddt makes a good point... IF!!!!!! we made Miguel Cabrera available.. The Red Sox would have to get in line for him.. we can demand whoever we want for him.. you know the Yankees would give up a ton for him.. a ton of teams would overpay for this guy.. so that's fine that you guys won't overpay for him.. but other teams would.. and you guys would be without one of the best young hitters in the league.. not saying he should be dealt.. but i am saying if you want major talent.. you are going to have to overpay.. get over yourselves..

JMDTM
04-19-2009, 05:36 PM
i put money on it right now, we make miggy available, and the lions get involved in trying to get him. lol jk jk.

i was talking to my dad about this whole trade "rumor" and he said if Miggy is traded he wont watch the tigers ever again. as sad as that statement is, i agree. we cannot trade our slugging young star go. not for anything. we can find guys in the draft and in FA, or via other trades to complement him, but not this. 1st of all its dumb.

2nd, it puts us in a whole. We would probably have to start Guillen at 1st, and then our DH "rotation" would suck. Thames is not a everyday player in no way, so he cannot be the guy to take over at 1st. Larish is only a 1 year guy and cannot be forced into the lineup even though he can play 1st.

you just cant make this trade. the only trade id take for Miggy, would not even be to Boston. It would be to the Cardinals for Pujols and either Kyle McClellan or Jason Motte and Chris Perez. Otherwise, im not buying anything in this whole trade idea

Osiagledknarf
04-19-2009, 06:09 PM
You say "we" should overpay like you'd be the only ones in line if the Tigers were FORCED to trade Cabrera. The line would be long in trying to acquire him and the Tigers certainly wouldn't have to drop demands for him.

Guillen yes, Maggs yes, Bonderman, Willis, yes, yes....This generations Babe Ruth...no. The point is moot. As long as Mr Illitch draws breath, Miggy goes nowhere. DD didn't even think we should try to acquire him until Mr I went to DD and told him to ask the Marlins the question. When the Marlins couldn't get what they wanted from the Angels, they called back and the deal was done...because Mr I wanted him.

This whole thing is rumour-mongering by the elite press of Boston and Peter Gammons expressing out loud what he fantasizes about at night for his beloved Red Sox like it has some chance at reality just because he said it.

The entire thing is laughable.


dddt makes a good point... IF!!!!!! we made Miguel Cabrera available.. The Red Sox would have to get in line for him.. we can demand whoever we want for him.. you know the Yankees would give up a ton for him.. a ton of teams would overpay for this guy.. so that's fine that you guys won't overpay for him.. but other teams would.. and you guys would be without one of the best young hitters in the league.. not saying he should be dealt.. but i am saying if you want major talent.. you are going to have to overpay.. get over yourselves..

First of all, relax. I don't get the hostility. I've stated several times I don't think this trade is at all likely.

That being said, I totally understand there would be a line...and I stated as much. I totally understand the Tigers would have their choice...I stated that as well. I get it...we get it. We'd be without "one of the best young hitters in the league" if you chose not to take our offer, sure. That's your choice, you have control over his contract...I know.

The Red Sox can offer higher value prospects than many other teams...so I suspect even with that impressive line of suitors, the Sox would still have one of the more tempting package offers...and they still wouldn't have to overpay. No one should ever overpay in a trade...that's ridiculous. The Tigers should get fair value, and so should their trading partner. If you think a team has to overpay you in a trade, then you need to get over yourself. The ideal in a trade is for both teams to benefit equally considering their respective needs, depths, and developments.

Also, comparing Miguel Cabrera to Babe Ruth? Yikes. Cabrera is an amazing offensive force...no doubt. He's about %50 of what Ruth was, though. Haha. Take a look at their respective stats:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cabremi01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ruthba01.shtml

Ruth's worst year in OPS+ was 41 points lower than Cabrera's...and Ruth was 40 when he threw that up. Ruth's second worst year in OPS+ was only 22 points lower than Cabrera's best. Other than that...Ruth is beyond comparison to Cabrera. It's not even close.

I get your point though, I do. Cabrera is a great player...and I agree. I just don't agree that anyone should ever go into a ANY deal, regardless of the talent in discussion, with the expectation that the other side should overpay.

All in all, I'm with you...I don't think you guys are moving him anytime soon. I honestly hope he works out for you guys and wish you luck with the season...but I also don't think anything I said was as absurd as you've portrayed.

Osiagledknarf
04-19-2009, 06:18 PM
How about adding that 3B Almanazar (spelling and cant remember his first name to it).

That would probably in the area of what it would take though.

But I still don't think he ever gets traded. Money isn't an issue under Illitch and unless we are the worst team in the majors and start a fire sale its not happening.

That's fair, as long as you are saying Almanzar would be the ONE additional player in the trade where we also take Willis or someone else you want ship off.

stanpapi
04-19-2009, 11:03 PM
I say see how we do and listen up. It would indeed take half of Boston's farm system, a bunch of blue chippers at that, plus some guys that could be useful now and for a few more.

Although I think some recent moves have been made in the right direction, we have so many question marks it would be mean to list them off. But if we can take that kind of money off the books and restock the team and the system, I say listen up. I've never liked the contract we gave him. Too much and for too long. I don't care that he would have scored that elsewhere. It's still too much and too long. Everybody loves it now, but he has to pretty much do what he's doing for 8 years, and I just don't think this is going to look like such a great idea 4 or 5 years from now (unless, of course, they win the WS).

Anyway, I'm not even saying that we should shop him, certainly not at this point in the year, but you most certainly must listen in terms of the quality, quantity, and cost-efficiency this might yield in a bad economy. If the Red Sox are interested, this could get juicy. Because, if the Red Sox are interested, the Yankees have to be interested. I think it **might** have legs if the Tigers stumble early, and for this reason:

If the Tigers are to be competitive, I believe it will be with a fast, good-fielding team that largely hits for average in a huge park. If you can turn about and trade Cabrera for a whole bunch of that, and save a whole whack of cash in the deal, you can customize a team for your yard.

stanpapi
04-19-2009, 11:07 PM
Anybody know? I seem to recall that there was a list of some sort, teams he would accept a trade to -- something like that?

semperfi
04-19-2009, 11:33 PM
Cabrera's not getting traded. That would be like the Cardinals trading Pujols.

dddtfan
04-20-2009, 10:26 AM
I say see how we do and listen up. It would indeed take half of Boston's farm system, a bunch of blue chippers at that, plus some guys that could be useful now and for a few more.

Although I think some recent moves have been made in the right direction, we have so many question marks it would be mean to list them off. But if we can take that kind of money off the books and restock the team and the system, I say listen up. I've never liked the contract we gave him. Too much and for too long. I don't care that he would have scored that elsewhere. It's still too much and too long. Everybody loves it now, but he has to pretty much do what he's doing for 8 years, and I just don't think this is going to look like such a great idea 4 or 5 years from now (unless, of course, they win the WS).

Anyway, I'm not even saying that we should shop him, certainly not at this point in the year, but you most certainly must listen in terms of the quality, quantity, and cost-efficiency this might yield in a bad economy. If the Red Sox are interested, this could get juicy. Because, if the Red Sox are interested, the Yankees have to be interested. I think it **might** have legs if the Tigers stumble early, and for this reason:

If the Tigers are to be competitive, I believe it will be with a fast, good-fielding team that largely hits for average in a huge park. If you can turn about and trade Cabrera for a whole bunch of that, and save a whole whack of cash in the deal, you can customize a team for your yard.

Thinking back to the successful run of the mid 80s, the mantra was strong defense up the middle. Parrish was good at the time, Tram, Whitaker and Chet Lemon.

Laird appears pretty good, Polly (although I suspect this will be his last season with us), Granderson, pretty darn good. Bit of a question mark at shortstop granted. Inge isn't terrible defensively at 3B and is definately better than what we had defensively last year. When Anderson is in LF, the OF defensive posture is maximized. I think we are already pretty darn close on the speed and defense fronts, and the pitching staff is reaping some of the rewards of that already. A lot of those outs were hits and prolonged innings last year. While I don't think an ENTIRE lineup needs to be comprised of feared sluggers, there needs to be that presence nonetheless, and Miggy is that presence. I don't see any combination of prospects that would be a net improvement for our team over the next 6 seasons that we have Miggy signed for.

Just my opinion

Bondomania
04-20-2009, 10:59 AM
exactly.. do you realize the production we are getting out of the bottom half of our lineup with Santiago, Anderson, Inge and Laird. There wouldn't be a package of prospects that would be able to pry Miggy away from the Tigers IMO. If the deal is made, then it will be for guys that are currently on the Boston roster.. the Tigers do not want to go into a prolonged rebuilding process. Plus, dealing Miggy would be a horrible idea for Illitch.. it could really have a negative effect on ticket sales and all that other jazz.. you need superstars on your team, and you want to deal the best young hitter in the league for prospect stan?? i think the Tigers would have a hard time justifying that to the fans to keep them coming to the park.. Miggy is signed to a reasonable deal, and if you are looking for extra cash.. which i never understood why you are so concerned with due to the fact that there isn't a salary cap.. over the next 2 years we have 5 or 6 bad contracts coming off the books that will rid us of 50 or 60 million.

semperfi
04-20-2009, 11:05 AM
Someone in Boston made a ridiculous rumor up.

stanpapi
04-20-2009, 12:21 PM
exactly.. do you realize the production we are getting out of the bottom half of our lineup with Santiago, Anderson, Inge and Laird. There wouldn't be a package of prospects that would be able to pry Miggy away from the Tigers IMO. If the deal is made, then it will be for guys that are currently on the Boston roster.. the Tigers do not want to go into a prolonged rebuilding process. Plus, dealing Miggy would be a horrible idea for Illitch.. it could really have a negative effect on ticket sales and all that other jazz.. you need superstars on your team, and you want to deal the best young hitter in the league for prospect stan?? i think the Tigers would have a hard time justifying that to the fans to keep them coming to the park.. Miggy is signed to a reasonable deal, and if you are looking for extra cash.. which i never understood why you are so concerned with due to the fact that there isn't a salary cap.. over the next 2 years we have 5 or 6 bad contracts coming off the books that will rid us of 50 or 60 million.

All I said was **hear** what they have to say. And the right package of prospects does not exist? Again, you have to **listen** to offers and see where we are in June/July until you say that.

And salary cap? What's a salary cap got to do with anything? I just don't want to be paying a guy this kind of cash unless he's putting up the kind of numbers Cabrera is putting up now, and I don't believe he will continue to do so for much more than half of the 8 years he signed for. Speaking of which, what do you think they do with the $10-a-beer money?

Bongalicious
04-20-2009, 02:37 PM
All I said was **hear** what they have to say. And the right package of prospects does not exist? Again, you have to **listen** to offers and see where we are in June/July until you say that.

And salary cap? What's a salary cap got to do with anything? I just don't want to be paying a guy this kind of cash unless he's putting up the kind of numbers Cabrera is putting up now, and I don't believe he will continue to do so for much more than half of the 8 years he signed for. Speaking of which, what do you think they do with the $10-a-beer money?

What makes you think that? Miguel puts the time and work in to be as good as he is, why would he stop? Besides, he has never NOT put up these kinds of numbers.

Bondomania
04-20-2009, 02:44 PM
the beer will cost that much regardless of the the team's salary.

Cabrera is signed to an EXTREMELY team friendly deal.. i think he is making 70 mill. less than what Texiera got. Also, if you don't think he is going to produce later in his contract then you can cross that road then. But you have him locked up for 7 or 8 more years.. there is no point in dealing him now.. not when we have more pitching help on the way in the minors, especially bullpen help.. we have outfield prospects that will help us become faster and play more small ball.. in guys like Wilkin Ramirez and Casper Wells (despite being on the DL for the next 2 months).. so unless we are getting the next Hanley Ramirez in the list of prospects, or you are getting a guy like Lester plus some prospects.. then you don't listen to anything. Again, you have to be able to justify to trade to the fans to continue to sell tickets. Again, i would rather hold on to Cabrera if it means even just 1 WS title.. then he can fade for all i care.. i just want 1 championship. I don't think he will fade though.. he has way to much natural born talent to fade. He also seems more dedicated to staying in shape.. he kept the weight off this past offseason..

levignjw
04-21-2009, 10:57 PM
ANAHEIM, Calif. -- Detroit Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski tonight completely denied an ESPN report that first baseman Miguel Cabrera might be shopped around later this season in trade possibilities if the Tigers have a slow start and Detroit's economy continues struggling.

"There's nothing that can happen this year that can make us think about trading Miguel Cabrera," Dombrowski said. "...The guy's only 26 and might be battling for the MVP Award."


Cabrera was leading the league with a .489 average, and had four home runs and 12 RBIs entering Tuesday night's game here with the Los Angeles Angels.

"It's not going to happen," Dombrowski said. "We have an owner (Mike Ilitch) that would never let that happen. It upsets me."

He said the report also upset Tigers manager Jim Leyland.

"Our season tickets are at the middle of the pack," Dombrowski said, adding that he would have a figure on those sales at a later date.

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2009/04/anaheim_calif_detroit_tigers.html


The tigers will not be shipping Miggy...Unless our pitching takes a turn for the worst, we are going to be battling for the AL central all season long. And even if this does occur, the Tigers will never have to lower their demands for a kid thats 26 years old and looking like he could be one of the best hitters in the majors.

smarkow
04-22-2009, 09:53 AM
yea, i think the talk of this "possible" trade was just the media b/c they have nothing else better to talk about. Big Papi is struggling, lets look for the best guy on a team that may struggle and say a trade might occur.

Just stupid. The guy is 26. His contract is NOT bad for the Tigers, even though some may say otherwise. We have this guy in the PRIME of his career. I watched a bit last night, and even though he was 0-4, the guy is scary at the plate. he is just massive. The bat looks like a twig in his hand and when he swings it seems so easy.

Trading this guy is not going to happen.

Trading Magglio is also not going to happen. People have been saying he's off this year. we're 3 weeks into the season, and he's batting in the .290s. give the guy a freaking break! by midseason, i have full confidence he'll be above .300

dddtfan
04-22-2009, 10:13 AM
I agree that Miggy is going nowhere, Guillen, Maggs, and Polanco, not so fast my friend. They could go so that we could get younger. Least likely I think Maggs.

levignjw
04-22-2009, 04:58 PM
Ya out of those 3 Maggs is def. the most likely to stay. I am thinking Guillen will be shopped somewhere down the line

Bondomania
04-22-2009, 07:03 PM
Magglio better start hitting with some power or he could be dealt in july.. right now he is not hitting for any power whatsoever

theDETROITfan
04-22-2009, 09:57 PM
Magglio better start hitting with some power or he could be dealt in july.. right now he is not hitting for any power whatsoever

if magglio were batting cleanup in the 4 spot in the lineup, what you said would be true, but since he is in the 3 spot, and miggy is behind him, we really don't need him to be batting for any power, just solid singles and extra base hits like he has done his whole career. he has never been known as a power hitter, simply an amazing hitter all around. as long as magglio can keep hitting the ball in the gaps, he should be fine. big talk is going around about him possibly shipping outta here by july, but i think if anyone goes it will be guillen. i like guillen, and always have, but he is simply not what he used to be, he has a big contract and it will slice the payroll a good amount if we can get someone younger and cheaper for him. i would hate to see maggs, guillen, or polanco leaving, but to be honest, i bet one of them is gone by july.

durtee
04-22-2009, 09:57 PM
Magglio better start hitting with some power or he could be dealt in july.. right now he is not hitting for any power whatsoever

Yeah no kidding. I don't know what his deal is. If we aren't in any sort of contention when the trade deadline comes around I won't have any problem seeing Maggs get dealt for prospects.

Bondomania
04-23-2009, 01:16 PM
i know we want him on base.. but it would be nice to just get some doubles and stuff every once in a while..

smarkow
04-23-2009, 02:19 PM
Yeah no kidding. I don't know what his deal is. If we aren't in any sort of contention when the trade deadline comes around I won't have any problem seeing Maggs get dealt for prospects.

You poeple are insane. Do you expect him to be hitting .450 like cabrera is? for gods sake, after last night he's hitting .321!!!

geez man. unreal

you know what, cabrera's average has slipped from .680 down to .450 pretty quickly. we should trade him. if he doesnt get that average back up to at least .500, we gotta get rid of him.

PLEASE not the sarcasm

theoldgoalie
04-24-2009, 02:32 AM
It would be a bad move......A really bad move. I could see Ordonez going to Boston, but not Miggy.

Bondomania
04-24-2009, 10:32 AM
it isn't the average that is concerning.. it is the fact that he is hitting with no extra base power whatsoever.. both our corner outfielders have combined for 0 hr's so far... that isn't good.. typically you want your corner outfielders to have a bit of power

durtee
04-24-2009, 12:00 PM
You poeple are insane. Do you expect him to be hitting .450 like cabrera is? for gods sake, after last night he's hitting .321!!!

geez man. unreal

you know what, cabrera's average has slipped from .680 down to .450 pretty quickly. we should trade him. if he doesnt get that average back up to at least .500, we gotta get rid of him.

PLEASE not the sarcasm

His avg is great. But when your #3 hitter isn't hitting with any power and has zero extra base hits on the season, then I think it is time to worry a little bit. I am sorry to tell you this, but Maggs would be considered in trade talks within the next year or two regardless of how he is hitting. After all he is a 35 yr old corner outfielder.

smarkow
04-27-2009, 04:36 PM
if he's getting on base, thats all that matters to me. Yes, i'd rather him hit 30 home runs on the season, but if he's getting hits i'm fine with it. The doubles will come. Yea, he may not have the same power as previous years, but i'd be more concerned if he wasnt getting any hits.

Singles can easily turn into doubles if the ball goes a few yards either way. besides, if we have guys ahead of him on base and he gets a hit, its a run. i'll take that

smarkow
04-27-2009, 04:51 PM
Does this make you feel any better?

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Before Saturday's 9-1 win over the Kansas City Royals, Tigers hitting coach Lloyd McClendon answered questions about Magglio Ordoņez.

At the time, Ordoņez was without an extra-base hit this year. But McClendon noted that Ordoņez is usually a slow starter and that he had made progress during the extra batting practice he had taken before seven games on the current trip.

"I feel good about where he is," McClendon said. "I think he's going to break out of this -- if not tonight, then very soon."

He was right.

Ordoņez went hitless in three uneventful at-bats before sending a rocket to deep centerfield in the sixth inning. Coco Crisp caught it, but McClendon told manager Jim Leyland that Ordoņez had just taken his best swing of the year.

His next one looked better: Ordoņez pulverized a Jamey Wright pitch in the ninth inning for a 431-foot home run to left-centerfield. It splashed down in one of the famous water fountains at Kauffman Stadium. Ordoņez smiled broadly as he approached the dugout afterward.

He is batting .273, which is not out of the ordinary for him at this time of year. In five seasons with Detroit, Ordoņez has never had an average above .300 after his first 17 games. Two years ago, he was hitting .254 after Game 17 -- and then won the batting title with a .363 batting average.

While playing in the World Baseball Classic, Ordoņez batted .185 in eight games. He also heard angry boos from Venezuelan fans who objected to his support of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez.

"I really think, from knowing Magglio the way I do, the WBC probably hurt him more than it helped a lot of guys," McClendon said before Saturday's game. "There was a lot of pressure on him to perform in that tournament. He probably tried to do a little too much. He probably tried to pull the ball and hit home runs, which is not his style.

"One of the things we're getting back to, which Magglio understands, is, 'You're not a home run hitter. You're a line-drive hitter who happens to hit home runs.' There's a difference. He got away from that in the WBC. Now, we're trying to get out of those bad habits."