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JordansBulls
04-10-2009, 08:13 PM
New York Knicks have had 8 years in a row under .500

Just heard it on ESPN2 and it is the longest current active streak.

:speechless:

Spurred1
04-10-2009, 08:14 PM
That is impressive, just in a bad way.

superkegger
04-10-2009, 08:24 PM
but Isaiah Thomas was sooo good at drafting guys, how could it be so?

But this isn't shocking, when you have bad management, this will happen. My guess is they'll make it 9 in a row next year too. Unfortunate.

Spurred1
04-10-2009, 08:26 PM
Wonder if they'll succeed in their 2010 Snag Lebron Plans.

madiaz3
04-10-2009, 08:27 PM
Most of it with the same, shoddy and incompetent management.

Donnie Walsh has already done more than what we could have asked. Yeah we have the same type of record we've had in seasons past, but we're doing it with so much less rather than with a bunch of overpaid, selfish and lazy stars taking us nowhere.

Giaps
04-10-2009, 09:21 PM
Isiah pretty much made us a joke for most of a decade. It will take time to climb out of this mess but in Walsh we trust.

Diewitdaknicks
04-10-2009, 09:38 PM
The first 4 years were tough! I cried myself to sleep every night. Now losing comes like routine!

Rio40
04-10-2009, 09:51 PM
Shame. I don't see it changing anytime soon either.

jimm120
04-10-2009, 10:18 PM
This occured BEFORE Isiah Thomas. Everything started to go down the drain after the Patrick Ewing era. ONLY trade Ewing if you weren't going to get a whole bunch of bloated and old players back. Instead, they traded Ewing for Glen friggin Rice and someone else. Two guys which epitomized the future Knicks: Acquisition of players past their useful years AND having long, bloated contracts.

They should have just let Patrick retire in 2 seasons after the one they traded him and let his contract come off the books.

Instead, though, they started this vicious cycle of bad contracts (Allan Houston for $100 million), bad trades for players past their prime with bad contracts (Glen Rice, Stevie Franchise), or bad trades for players seemingly not worth it (Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, and Antonio McDyess). And I'm not even going to mention people like HOward Eisley.

ctwn4life
04-10-2009, 10:32 PM
Wonder if they'll succeed in their 2010 Snag Lebron Plans.

Not happening.

IrespectNumber3
04-10-2009, 10:36 PM
Other then Money and Exposure...give me one reason why Lebron wants to play there?

IrespectNumber3
04-10-2009, 10:37 PM
I see Lebron going to the Nets playing with Devin Harris VC Yi and Brook Lopez....WAY more then i see him going to the Knicks

NYK|NYY
04-10-2009, 10:38 PM
Feel our pain.

MOHA
04-10-2009, 11:50 PM
Im a longtime Knicks fan and been supporting them from there good years with Patrick Ewing and Bad years. We are use to seeing them lose here in NY these days but i can't wait until we finally turn our franchise around.

Kyben36
04-11-2009, 12:02 AM
Im unimpressed

Clips went from 94-05 under .5, 12 years in a row

AllTheWay
04-11-2009, 12:39 AM
Hahahah ^

Kakaroach
04-11-2009, 10:33 AM
Im unimpressed

Clips went from 94-05 under .5, 12 years in a row LOL yeah that makes even 8 years a little lame. Why haven't they moved yet?

Sports Illustrator
04-11-2009, 11:16 AM
Most people mention Isiah Thomas as part of the blame, but I also blame Scott Layden just as much as I blame Isiah Thomas. Of course, James Dolan has some fault in it as well for bringing them in.

dtmagnet
04-11-2009, 11:20 AM
I want to know what is New York's "plan B" if they don't get Lebron. Do they give max money to Amare and someone else?

miller
04-11-2009, 11:59 AM
This occured BEFORE Isiah Thomas. Everything started to go down the drain after the Patrick Ewing era. ONLY trade Ewing if you weren't going to get a whole bunch of bloated and old players back. Instead, they traded Ewing for Glen friggin Rice and someone else. Two guys which epitomized the future Knicks: Acquisition of players past their useful years AND having long, bloated contracts.

They should have just let Patrick retire in 2 seasons after the one they traded him and let his contract come off the books.

Instead, though, they started this vicious cycle of bad contracts (Allan Houston for $100 million), bad trades for players past their prime with bad contracts (Glen Rice, Stevie Franchise), or bad trades for players seemingly not worth it (Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, and Antonio McDyess). And I'm not even going to mention people like HOward Eisley.

I agree that this downward spiral began long before Isiah came in. The Knicks have made some very poor decisions for the past 10 years.

Antonio McDyess was in my opinion very unfortunate. Had he not gotten badly injured he would have had an excellent career.

miller
04-11-2009, 12:04 PM
I want to know what is New York's "plan B" if they don't get Lebron. Do they give max money to Amare and someone else?

I hope the plan B is build through the draft. Spending Max money just because there is cap space is exactly what has made the Knicks have 8 years under .500

5+7=DYNASTY!!!
04-11-2009, 12:19 PM
I want to know what is New York's "plan B" if they don't get Lebron. Do they give max money to Amare and someone else?

The plan is to rebuild, which we are doing. Walsh just wants to clear as much cap as quickly as he can to put the NY Knicks in a position to win, something us as fans have not been able to say for some time now. The Knicks will be over .500 in 2 seasons or less.

madiaz3
04-11-2009, 01:34 PM
I want to know what is New York's "plan B" if they don't get Lebron. Do they give max money to Amare and someone else?

find 1 or 2 of these guys, neither with max money unless deserving of such, and compliment existing players with trades or draft

Player Team Type
Maurice Evans Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Al Horford Atlanta Restricted F.A.
Acie Law Atlanta Restricted F.A.
Kendrick Perkins Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Paul Pierce Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Nazr Mohammed Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Vladimir Radmanovic Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Joakim Noah Chicago Restricted F.A.
John Salmons Chicago Unrestricted F.A.
Darnell Jackson Cleveland Restricted F.A.
LeBron James Cleveland Unrestricted F.A.
Delonte West Cleveland Unrestricted F.A.
Jose Barea Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Erick Dampier Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Josh Howard Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Kenyon Martin Denver Unrestricted F.A.
J.R. Smith Denver Unrestricted F.A.
Sonny Weems Denver Restricted F.A.
Arron Afflalo Detroit Restricted F.A.
Tayshaun Prince Detroit Unrestricted F.A.
Rodney Stuckey Detroit Restricted F.A.
Kelenna Azubuike Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Marco Belinelli Golden State Restricted F.A.
Jamal Crawford Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Brandan Wright Golden State Restricted F.A.
Shane Battier Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Aaron Brooks Houston Restricted F.A.
Chuck Hayes Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Carl Landry Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Ming Yao Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Dunleavy Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
T.J. Ford Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Jeff Foster Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Troy Murphy Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Jamaal Tinsley Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
DeAndre Jordan L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Zach Randolph L.A. Clippers Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Taylor L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Al Thornton L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Kobe Bryant L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Pau Gasol L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Sasha Vujacic L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Greg Buckner Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Conley Memphis Restricted F.A.
Marc Gasol Memphis Restricted F.A.
Hamed Haddadi Memphis Restricted F.A.
Marko Jaric Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Mario Chalmers Miami Restricted F.A.
Daequan Cook Miami Restricted F.A.
Dwyane Wade Miami Unrestricted F.A.
Dan Gadzuric Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Richard Jefferson Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Luc Mbah a Moute Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Michael Redd Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Corey Brewer Minnesota Restricted F.A.
Sebastian Telfair Minnesota Unrestricted F.A.
Keyon Dooling New Jersey Unrestricted F.A.
Chris Douglas-Roberts New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Yi Jianlian New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Sean Williams New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Tyson Chandler New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Morris Peterson New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Peja Stojakovic New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Julian Wright New Orleans Restricted F.A.
Wilson Chandler New York Restricted F.A.
Eddy Curry New York Unrestricted F.A.
Jared Jeffries New York Unrestricted F.A.
Nick Collison Oklahoma City Unrestricted F.A.
Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Restricted F.A.
Jeff Green Oklahoma City Restricted F.A.
Nenad Krstic Oklahoma City Unrestricted F.A.
Samuel Dalembert Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Reggie Evans Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Willie Green Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Smith Philadelphia Restricted F.A.
Thaddeus Young Philadelphia Restricted F.A.
Jared Dudley Phoenix Restricted F.A.
Jason Richardson Phoenix Unrestricted F.A.
Amare Stoudemire Phoenix Unrestricted F.A.
Alando Tucker Phoenix Restricted F.A.
Greg Oden Portland Restricted F.A.
Joel Przybilla Portland Unrestricted F.A.
Spencer Hawes Sacramento Restricted F.A.
Ian Mahinmi San Antonio Restricted F.A.
Tony Parker San Antonio Unrestricted F.A.
Marcus Banks Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Chris Bosh Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Kris Humphries Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Kapono Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Roko Ukic Toronto Restricted F.A.
Andrei Kirilenko Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Caron Butler Washington Unrestricted F.A.
Javaris Crittenton Washington Restricted F.A.
Oleksiy Pecherov Washington Restricted F.A.
Darius Songaila Washington Unrestricted F.A.
DeShawn Stevenson Washington Unrestricted F.A.
Nick Young Washington Restricted F.A.

JordansBulls
04-11-2009, 02:22 PM
find 1 or 2 of these guys, neither with max money unless deserving of such, and compliment existing players with trades or draft

Player Team Type
Maurice Evans Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Al Horford Atlanta Restricted F.A.
Acie Law Atlanta Restricted F.A.
Kendrick Perkins Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Paul Pierce Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Nazr Mohammed Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Vladimir Radmanovic Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Joakim Noah Chicago Restricted F.A.
John Salmons Chicago Unrestricted F.A.
Darnell Jackson Cleveland Restricted F.A.
LeBron James Cleveland Unrestricted F.A.
Delonte West Cleveland Unrestricted F.A.
Jose Barea Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Erick Dampier Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Josh Howard Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Kenyon Martin Denver Unrestricted F.A.
J.R. Smith Denver Unrestricted F.A.
Sonny Weems Denver Restricted F.A.
Arron Afflalo Detroit Restricted F.A.
Tayshaun Prince Detroit Unrestricted F.A.
Rodney Stuckey Detroit Restricted F.A.
Kelenna Azubuike Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Marco Belinelli Golden State Restricted F.A.
Jamal Crawford Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Brandan Wright Golden State Restricted F.A.
Shane Battier Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Aaron Brooks Houston Restricted F.A.
Chuck Hayes Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Carl Landry Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Ming Yao Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Dunleavy Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
T.J. Ford Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Jeff Foster Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Troy Murphy Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Jamaal Tinsley Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
DeAndre Jordan L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Zach Randolph L.A. Clippers Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Taylor L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Al Thornton L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Kobe Bryant L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Pau Gasol L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Sasha Vujacic L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Greg Buckner Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Conley Memphis Restricted F.A.
Marc Gasol Memphis Restricted F.A.
Hamed Haddadi Memphis Restricted F.A.
Marko Jaric Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Mario Chalmers Miami Restricted F.A.
Daequan Cook Miami Restricted F.A.
Dwyane Wade Miami Unrestricted F.A.
Dan Gadzuric Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Richard Jefferson Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Luc Mbah a Moute Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Michael Redd Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Corey Brewer Minnesota Restricted F.A.
Sebastian Telfair Minnesota Unrestricted F.A.
Keyon Dooling New Jersey Unrestricted F.A.
Chris Douglas-Roberts New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Yi Jianlian New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Sean Williams New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Tyson Chandler New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Morris Peterson New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Peja Stojakovic New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Julian Wright New Orleans Restricted F.A.
Wilson Chandler New York Restricted F.A.
Eddy Curry New York Unrestricted F.A.
Jared Jeffries New York Unrestricted F.A.
Nick Collison Oklahoma City Unrestricted F.A.
Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Restricted F.A.
Jeff Green Oklahoma City Restricted F.A.
Nenad Krstic Oklahoma City Unrestricted F.A.
Samuel Dalembert Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Reggie Evans Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Willie Green Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Smith Philadelphia Restricted F.A.
Thaddeus Young Philadelphia Restricted F.A.
Jared Dudley Phoenix Restricted F.A.
Jason Richardson Phoenix Unrestricted F.A.
Amare Stoudemire Phoenix Unrestricted F.A.
Alando Tucker Phoenix Restricted F.A.
Greg Oden Portland Restricted F.A.
Joel Przybilla Portland Unrestricted F.A.
Spencer Hawes Sacramento Restricted F.A.
Ian Mahinmi San Antonio Restricted F.A.
Tony Parker San Antonio Unrestricted F.A.
Marcus Banks Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Chris Bosh Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Kris Humphries Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Kapono Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Roko Ukic Toronto Restricted F.A.
Andrei Kirilenko Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Caron Butler Washington Unrestricted F.A.
Javaris Crittenton Washington Restricted F.A.
Oleksiy Pecherov Washington Restricted F.A.
Darius Songaila Washington Unrestricted F.A.
DeShawn Stevenson Washington Unrestricted F.A.
Nick Young Washington Restricted F.A.


That's a huge list.

Hellcrooner
04-11-2009, 02:48 PM
i guess plan b is Wade then plan c bosh plan d stou

if not ill guess they will wait one more year with the cap and wait for Dirk, Ming, Kobe, Pau...... if not, wait another one for Howard, Paul, Deron, Melo, Durant.....

Hellcrooner
04-11-2009, 02:50 PM
the most intriguin thing is to know what are they gonna do with Lee and robinson this summer providing they dont get a top 2 pick....

Resing and trade for some pick and a 2010 expiring?



if they resign BOTH of them they will barely have lebron type money.


If they get a top two pick , then things are easier, Draft Griffin resing Nate or Draft Rubio resign Lee.

JordansBulls
04-11-2009, 06:12 PM
the most intriguin thing is to know what are they gonna do with Lee and robinson this summer providing they dont get a top 2 pick....

Resing and trade for some pick and a 2010 expiring?



if they resign BOTH of them they will barely have lebron type money.


If they get a top two pick , then things are easier, Draft Griffin resing Nate or Draft Rubio resign Lee.


Trade them all and start over.

Chaps
04-11-2009, 11:24 PM
brutal streak

what54!?
04-11-2009, 11:39 PM
either get a franchise player to build a team around or get two very good players to build a tem around. That would be step #1. Easier said than done though

TheChosenOne88
04-12-2009, 12:36 AM
The plan is to rebuild, which we are doing. Walsh just wants to clear as much cap as quickly as he can to put the NY Knicks in a position to win, something us as fans have not been able to say for some time now. The Knicks will be over .500 in 2 seasons or less.

Good luck with that, seriously.

superkegger
04-12-2009, 01:11 AM
That's a huge list.

It is, but like 1/3 are restricted, so likely not to be targets for most teams, let alone the Knicks, especially with a tightening of the salary cap

JordansBulls
04-12-2009, 01:25 AM
either get a franchise player to build a team around or get two very good players to build a tem around. That would be step #1. Easier said than done though

They need Ewing again.

what54!?
04-12-2009, 01:37 AM
heh 8 years too late

IRUAM #21
04-12-2009, 02:01 AM
They desperately need that #1 pick

JordansBulls
04-12-2009, 10:03 AM
They desperately need that #1 pick

How much would Blake Griffin help?

OG "Dee" LOCc
04-12-2009, 11:14 AM
I always think to myself, "Well, at least I'm not a clippers fan."

IrespectNumber3
04-12-2009, 11:32 AM
How much would Blake Griffin help?

I think they should get Thabeet...and develop him...His first 2-3 years hes gonna be soft...but eventually...He'll be a threat because there aren't too many C's in the league...Get that Ewing feel back

dtmagnet
04-12-2009, 12:38 PM
If New York wins the #1 pick I am decrying Shenanagins on the NBA's part.

icon1914
04-12-2009, 01:10 PM
I think they should get Thabeet...and develop him...His first 2-3 years hes gonna be soft...but eventually...He'll be a threat because there aren't too many C's in the league...Get that Ewing feel back

Yeah... I'm sure thats what Washington said about Kwame Brown.

I am aware that there is quite a bt of difference between the two, but I see them both as people you don't use with a top three pick to get. If the Knicks get a 7-10 pick and Thabeet is still on the board go for it, but if they get lucky and ge in the top four pick I say draft someone else.

Hellcrooner
04-12-2009, 02:50 PM
weel if you have not noticed there have been some very good centers added in the last two drafts like Hawes, Oden, Lopez, Gasol

JordansBulls
04-12-2009, 03:01 PM
If New York wins the #1 pick I am decrying Shenanagins on the NBA's part.

Why not? Orlando got the #1 pick in 1992 and 1993. Houston in 1983 and 1984.

abe_froman
04-12-2009, 03:04 PM
Why not? Orlando got the #1 pick in 1992 and 1993. Houston in 1983 and 1984.

there was no lotto in 83,84.houston tanking to get #1 in those years is the reason why there is one.so it was all them baby,no need for the nba fix

KnicksorBust
04-12-2009, 08:47 PM
We have two young players that most Knicks fans really like (Chandler/Gallinari), a successful coach (Mike D), a lottery pick this year, and max cap space for at least one FA in 2010. This year's pick and that FA class will decide a lot but I really think we'll at least be back to a playoff team in a year and a half. And if we get lucky and nab like a Rubio and a Chris Bosh (not likely but not impossible) we could really be a competitive team a lot faster than people realize. Either way at least we're not stuck with the Marburys/Zach Randolphs/Crawfords/Jerome James of the world anymore. There's a light at the end of the tunnel.

JJ81
04-12-2009, 09:03 PM
:pity:

Giaps
04-12-2009, 11:12 PM
If New York wins the #1 pick I am decrying Shenanagins on the NBA's part.
Right. Like when the NBA could have saved the Knicks last draft and gotten them the #1? The lottery system cannot be rigged unfortunately.

JordansBulls
04-13-2009, 12:14 AM
there was no lotto in 83,84.houston tanking to get #1 in those years is the reason why there is one.so it was all them baby,no need for the nba fix

Ok that is Houston, but Orlando got it in back to back years.

xSolidx
04-13-2009, 12:25 AM
You know, i didnt realize this until a few days ago, but we are only one of 2 teams to not reach the playoffs since 2004, the T'Wolves are the other team.

Basically, every other team has made the playoffs at least one time since then.

Im excluding the Bobcats since they are an expansion team, but heck, they have made better progress than us lol.