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JordansBulls
03-30-2009, 12:00 AM
:speechless:

DerekRE_3
03-30-2009, 12:01 AM
Joe Smith has probably helped make up for his absence.

Kenny
03-30-2009, 12:14 AM
They lost 60 percent of there starters for atleast 16 games each, they just have more depth then any team in the league.. Heck they have guyd that started on there finals team that dont even play anymore

Ni55anpat
03-30-2009, 12:33 AM
so...with him they could be and would be 18-2 in that period

x_notorious
03-30-2009, 01:00 AM
This is shocking because..?

Seriously though, Wallace doesn't make much of an impact anymore. He's a shell of his former DPOY self.

~ALpHa M LyTe~
03-30-2009, 01:32 AM
In All Honesty Not only do i think it Doesnt Hurt Them it Might Help Them Varejao And Ben Wallace Pretty Much Do The Same Thing With Wallace Out it Gives More Time To Joe Smith And Z Who can help spread the floor Also it Allows More Time to play Lebron at the 4 and Letting Cleveland Get More Shooters Into the Game.

Kyben36
03-30-2009, 01:52 AM
escuse me, but what are they with him, 42-11

No offense, but Its not like with him they are a terrible team.

hotdogbun
03-30-2009, 03:49 AM
the lakers are also great w/o ben wallace.

without ben wallace the lakers are 58-15

codes238
03-30-2009, 04:02 AM
the lakers are also great w/o ben wallace.

without ben wallace the lakers are 58-15

yea but the wizards are horrible without ben wallace this year, it really shows you how valuable and underrated he still is...

Lebron23
03-30-2009, 04:52 AM
He's an underrated Defensive Center. Yeah, He's no longer leading the NBA in Rebounds and Shot Blocks, but he's still a very solid defender for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

hotdogbun
03-30-2009, 07:05 AM
yea but the wizards are horrible without ben wallace this year, it really shows you how valuable and underrated he still is...

w/ or w/o him wizards w/o arenas would still suck.
and celtics,orl,atl,lal,noh,sas,hou,uta,cle(20 games w/o ben),dal,den,por,atl,phi,det,chi is good enough to make the playoffs even with w/o ben wallace

JordansBulls
03-30-2009, 08:11 AM
This is shocking because..?

Seriously though, Wallace doesn't make much of an impact anymore. He's a shell of his former DPOY self.

Because he is their shot blocker.

prodigy
03-30-2009, 08:21 AM
This is shocking because..?

Seriously though, Wallace doesn't make much of an impact anymore. He's a shell of his former DPOY self.


Ben wallace is still a very good defender. Now of course he's not what he once was, But wallace means alot and will be huge for them come playoff time.

EX-TREME
03-30-2009, 09:33 AM
nice

ottograham14
03-30-2009, 12:58 PM
the lakers are also great w/o ben wallace.

without ben wallace the lakers are 58-15

Wow, really. :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:


Anyways, yes Big Ben isn't the DPOY that he use to be but come on any logical basketball fan knows that he still does things in the middle. He can still clog up the middle, take charges, blocks and get boards. Now I'm not trying to say that he is the shut down defender or big guy that he use to be but he is not a complete waste in the middle like say a Kwame Brown is.

Also I would take him over Mbenga anyday.

still1ballin
03-30-2009, 01:27 PM
:yawn:

lakerboy
03-30-2009, 02:36 PM
This stat doesn't really matter.

Lakersfan2483
03-30-2009, 03:20 PM
Ben Wallace is not half the player he used to be, he's a non-factor nowadays...

Jahari Kavi
03-30-2009, 04:02 PM
while I think the addition of wallace is important, I do believe that Varejo is better as a starter for a couple of reasons

a.) his length at the 4 spot

b.) he's better offensively

JordansBulls
03-30-2009, 04:32 PM
Ben Wallace is not half the player he used to be, he's a non-factor nowadays...

Obviously he isn't but his role is to intimidate in the paint which includes blocking shots and rebounding.

cmstophe
03-30-2009, 05:25 PM
Ben Wallace is not half the player he used to be, he's a non-factor nowadays...

Non factor?

Uh....false. He still rebounds, he still blocks shots, and he is still a body under the basket. And that is all the Cavs need from him.

x_notorious
03-30-2009, 07:47 PM
Because he is their shot blocker.

Barely. Big Z just averages .1 less. And it looks like they don't miss him too much either, so again, what's your point?

I would take Big Z or Varejao over the overpaid Wallace any day of the week.

JordansBulls
03-30-2009, 08:26 PM
Barely. Big Z just averages .1 less. And it looks like they don't miss him too much either, so again, what's your point?

I would take Big Z or Varejao over the overpaid Wallace any day of the week.

That his defense down low negates other teams from driving as much.

Kakaroach
03-30-2009, 10:45 PM
Joe Smith has probably helped make up for his absence. x2 He is much better than Wallace IMO. Spreads the floor very well.

Twistedheat
03-30-2009, 10:58 PM
He is a non factor on the offensive end but he still contributes on the defensive.. so he is a good player for cleveland.

Chronz
03-30-2009, 11:19 PM
Joe Smith has softened the blow, and AV has played much better as a starter but they still need Ben to guard the elite bigs, speaking of which, it seems like hes making a more concentrated effort on his man to man D than he ever did when he was winning DPOY's left and right

RealistRocket34
03-30-2009, 11:21 PM
Joe Smith has softened the blow, and AV has played much better as a starter but they still need Ben to guard the elite bigs, speaking of which, it seems like hes making a more concentrated effort on his man to man D than he ever did when he was winning DPOY's left and right
Big Ben will be key against the Celtics to guard KG, but I like the point you made about Joe Smith.

Ben Wallace may not be needed now, but he will be needed in the playoffs for his toughness, defense and intensity.

Chronz
03-30-2009, 11:23 PM
He is a non factor on the offensive end but he still contributes on the defensive.. so he is a good player for cleveland.

I wouldnt say hes a complete non-factor, hes still their best offensive rebounder, and they have missed his presence on the offensive glass with Big Z playing more on the perimeter.

hotdogbun
03-30-2009, 11:47 PM
Wow, really. :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:


Anyways, yes Big Ben isn't the DPOY that he use to be but come on any logical basketball fan knows that he still does things in the middle. He can still clog up the middle, take charges, blocks and get boards. Now I'm not trying to say that he is the shut down defender or big guy that he use to be but he is not a complete waste in the middle like say a Kwame Brown is.

Also I would take him over Mbenga anyday.

same here any C > mbenga. but kwame is not a waste in the middle maybe offensively but definitely not defensively. but what i wouldnt take is ben wallace's huge contract haha

Jaji
03-30-2009, 11:53 PM
the lakers are also great w/o ben wallace.

without ben wallace the lakers are 58-15

18-2 > 58-15 percentage-wise