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JordansBulls
03-22-2009, 01:10 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

abe_froman
03-22-2009, 01:15 AM
yes
leaning towards no
i dont think so
yes
leaning towards yes
no
i hope
yes

all are good players though

_Sn1P3r_
03-22-2009, 01:18 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

*Bolded ones=yes

GoatMilk
03-22-2009, 01:20 AM
Only Durant, Rose, Deron are locks

Roy is meh, i guess so but i'm on the fence

NYKnickFanatic
03-22-2009, 01:21 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

[x] Brandon Roy
[x] Danny Granger
[ ] Amare Stoudemire
[ ] Chris Bosh
[x] Deron Williams
[ ] Carlos Boozer
[x] Derrick Rose
[x] Kevin Durant

DreamShaker
03-22-2009, 01:39 AM
Durant, Roy, and D-Will. Maybe Rose.

bahama0811
03-22-2009, 01:40 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

*Bolded ones=yes

agree 100%

DODGERS&LAKERS
03-22-2009, 01:45 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

BOLD=YES

DoubleDragon
03-22-2009, 01:47 AM
JordansBulls;8810692]Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger (On the fence for me)

Amare Stoudemire (NO!)

Chris Bosh (No, but he's a great player)

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer (No, but he's the dream #2 punch)

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

BrizzleBear
03-22-2009, 01:56 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

*Bolded ones=yes

Agree with that.

DreamShaker
03-22-2009, 01:57 AM
I'm also on the fence about Granger...this Pacers team has not been healthy...but when healthy they have a heck of a team. He's a guy who needs to do damage in the playoffs to prove his worth as a franchise guy.

EddieB
03-22-2009, 01:59 AM
Deron Williams, Chris Bosh and Durant only on that list

KB24PG16
03-22-2009, 02:01 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

MagicBucsSox
03-22-2009, 02:05 AM
only ones who actually are is Deron definately. Bosh and amare as well the other ones are guys who come among often they"re not special
rose is a rookie too early to determine
boozer?hahaha

Kyle N.
03-22-2009, 02:07 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger (maybe)

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose (most likely will be)

Kevin Durant (no question in my mind)

x_notorious
03-22-2009, 02:11 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

djeller1139
03-22-2009, 02:40 AM
Brandon Roy Yes

Danny Granger No

Amare Stoudemire No

Chris Bosh No

Deron Williams Yes

Carlos Boozer No

Derrick Rose Yes

Kevin Durant Yes

hotdogbun
03-22-2009, 02:42 AM
everyone except boozer

Ragun
03-22-2009, 02:59 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

yes
no
no
no
yes
no
yes
yes

Lakersfan2483
03-22-2009, 03:08 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

D. Williams, Kevin Durant, B. Roy are all franchise players. Derrick Rose is close. Most of the guys on your list would be much better as 2nd option players. Bosh is a franchise type of guy, but would be better playing with guys like Kobe or Lebron. He has more of a 2nd option makeup as does Amare.

Rapsjaysleafs
03-22-2009, 04:32 AM
Yes to everyone but Bosh, Stoudemire and Boozer. Roy is on the fence, more yes than no.
WHEN Bosh gets traded he will be the second best #2 option in the league, not vocal or tough enough to be the leader or franchise. Great player though!

GoatMilk
03-22-2009, 05:03 AM
Granger isnt a franchise player to me.
He'd be better suited to be a number 2 guy. He is basically a Richard Jefferson/Andre Iguodala player IMO. Better of course, but not the franchise guy.

eugene
03-22-2009, 05:39 AM
Brandon Roy YES

Danny Granger NO

Amare Stoudemire NO

Chris Bosh NO

Deron Williams YES

Carlos Boozer NO

Derrick Rose YES

Kevin Durant YES

ntat
03-22-2009, 06:51 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

1) not yet
2) too soon to tell
3) no, but damn good
4) not on a winner
5) absolutely
6) no
7) too soon to tell
8)yes, if he gets more efficient, puts on weight, and learns what defense is. lol

zo#33
03-22-2009, 07:07 AM
Durant, Roy, and D-Will. Maybe Rose.

Agreed.

IrespectNumber3
03-22-2009, 09:06 AM
IF franchise means best player on that TEAM or close runner up...then yes everybody but boozer...I think you guys are just putting Amare and Bosh off your list because they shouldnt be in the same sentence as the other guys

EX-TREME
03-22-2009, 09:28 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

*Bolded ones=yes

i was thinking the same

blujaysrock
03-22-2009, 09:34 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

Bolded ones yes

Ollie Tabooger
03-22-2009, 09:41 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose - you guys all give this guy way too much credit for putting up stats on a mediocre Chicago Bulls

Kevin Durant

Ollie Tabooger
03-22-2009, 09:41 AM
shoot and i forgot Deron Williams without a doubt

wwwhat
03-22-2009, 09:55 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy Yes

Danny Granger Yes

Amare Stoudemire No

Chris Bosh No

Deron Williams Yes

Carlos Boozer No

Derrick Rose Maybe in the future, right now no

Kevin Durant Should be, showing signs of it

Basically, any very talented ball handler can be considered a franchise player IMO. I don't believe any bigs are franchise players right now besides Dwight (Yao, but only if he grows a pair and demands the ball). For a big to truely control a game he needs to be Shaq-like dominant and Dwight has far surpassed him defensively and will hopefully be equivalent to him offensively.

VCaintdead17
03-22-2009, 01:27 PM
Brandon Roy-Definition of Franchise Plater

Danny Granger-Hell yes

Amare Stoudemire-Yeah

Chris Bosh-Yeah

Deron Williams-Yeah

Carlos Boozer-No

Derrick Rose-Maybe, too early to tell

Kevin Durant-Yes

Lakers4ItAll
03-22-2009, 01:30 PM
I agree


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

*Bolded ones=yes

Drunk Kosar 19
03-22-2009, 01:48 PM
only granger and durant

magichatnumber9
03-22-2009, 01:58 PM
They are all good players i would want on my team

Hawkeye15
03-22-2009, 03:21 PM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant


Roy, Rose and Durant are. The rest are just great players

ragee
03-22-2009, 03:57 PM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

Why would you include D-Will on the "not so sure" franchise player list? He definitely is a franchise player just like CP3... I think Roy is a franchse player too but I don't know if I am being biased coz I am a Blazer fan... Bosh, Rose, Durant and Granger will get there...

ragee
03-22-2009, 03:59 PM
Roy, Rose and Durant are. The rest are just great players

Are you serious? Saying Rose is but D-Will is just a great player? D-Will is the 2nd best pg in the league and CP3 is only ahead of him by a very small margin...

Kakaroach
03-22-2009, 04:07 PM
Roy, Rose and Durant are. The rest are just great players :laugh: You don't think D. Will is a franchise player?! Thats just hilarious and ridiculous.

dre1990
03-22-2009, 04:16 PM
All of them all IMO

what54!?
03-22-2009, 04:17 PM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant1) yes
2) don't know yet hasn't really carried team. Injuries may be part of it
3)don't know
4)no. But he does need some help
5) yes
6) no. He's a good second option
7) yes
8)yes

lakerboy
03-22-2009, 04:24 PM
I actually say yes to Durant, Roy, Deron, and Rose.

Amare can't stay healthy, can't defend and can't lead the Suns by himself.
Toronto is not winning with Bosh
and Boozer hasn't been dominant in a long while.

Jonathan2323
03-22-2009, 04:25 PM
Durant, Roy, and D-Will. Maybe Rose.

i agree

b_rad23
03-22-2009, 04:39 PM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

Not Amare or Boozer for sure. Bosh probably should be a #2 as well. Granger would be better suited in that role too.

Rose isn't now but could be.

Durant and Roy are definitely franchise guys and D-Will is a top 2 PG for sure

JordansBulls
03-22-2009, 04:43 PM
only granger and durant

What makes them more of a franchise player than the others?

HoosierDaddy
03-23-2009, 12:03 AM
Granger is for sure.

Most everyone else is or will be besides Boozer and Amare. Rose isn't yet , but could be.

superkegger
03-23-2009, 12:15 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

I would say yes to all but Boozer, Amare and Rose.

Boozer is too injury prone. Amare isn't good enough without Nash and he is a ****** defensive player and has showed no signs of improvement in like 7 years.

Rose I only say no at this point because he's had a year. He's a great talent, but I just don't know yet. I'm leaning towards yes, but not even having a whole season under his belt, I'm not going to say 100% yes at this point.

Baller1
03-23-2009, 12:16 AM
Brandon Roy Yes

Danny Granger No

Amare Stoudemire No

Chris Bosh Yes

Deron Williams Yes

Carlos Boozer No

Derrick Rose Yes

Kevin Durant Yes
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JordansBulls
03-23-2009, 12:30 AM
Basically, any very talented ball handler can be considered a franchise player IMO. I don't believe any bigs are franchise players right now besides Dwight (Yao, but only if he grows a pair and demands the ball). For a big to truely control a game he needs to be Shaq-like dominant and Dwight has far surpassed him defensively and will hopefully be equivalent to him offensively.

So you think Tony Parker is a franchise player?

_KB24_
03-23-2009, 12:35 AM
Every1 except for Boozer and a small chance of putting Amare there.

Method28
03-23-2009, 12:51 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

[x] Brandon Roy
[ ] Danny Granger
[ ] Amare Stoudemire
[ ] Chris Bosh
[x] Deron Williams
[ ] Carlos Boozer
[ ] Derrick Rose (give it till his second year to see how he progresses)
[x] Kevin Durant

abe_froman
03-23-2009, 01:02 AM
I would say yes to all but Boozer, Amare and Rose.

Boozer is too injury prone. Amare isn't good enough without Nash and he is a ****** defensive player and has showed no signs of improvement in like 7 years.

Rose I only say no at this point because he's had a year. He's a great talent, but I just don't know yet. I'm leaning towards yes, but not even having a whole season under his belt, I'm not going to say 100% yes at this point.

if it helps,management is grooming rose to be,orders from on top about having him in crucial 4th quarter situations to the coaches,so he gets use to them.talk of trading players to those that fit him,ect.

nickster16301
03-23-2009, 01:16 AM
kevin durant is the only one

superkegger
03-23-2009, 01:21 AM
if it helps,management is grooming rose to be,orders from on top about having him in crucial 4th quarter situations to the coaches,so he gets use to them.talk of trading players to those that fit him,ect.

Yeah, I know that. But you can groom a guy to no end, and sometimes he's just not cut out to be a franchise guy. Not saying that's the case with Rose, but sometimes despite all the opportunities a player just isn't a franchise guy. Like Amare.

abe_froman
03-23-2009, 01:24 AM
Yeah, I know that. But you can groom a guy to no end, and sometimes he's just not cut out to be a franchise guy. Not saying that's the case with Rose, but sometimes despite all the opportunities a player just isn't a franchise guy. Like Amare.

their already starting to push him into the role is all i'm saying,weather he will be is up to him

codes238
03-23-2009, 01:50 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

i think brandon roy and deron williams are both franchise players... i expect both durant and derrick rose to be as well but they gotta show me a little more before i stick them into tha category. the other guys are star players but definitely not franchise guys... the list of franchise guys currently in this league goes:

lebron, wade, kobe, CP3, deron williams, dwight howard, yao, tim duncan, dirk, brendan roy, garnett, pierce and thats it in my mind! if you wanna make an argument for joe johnson, rose or durant i woudlnt be opposed either, but those 15 guys are the only players who should even be mentioned as "franchise players" right now

codes238
03-23-2009, 01:53 AM
Basically, any very talented ball handler can be considered a franchise player IMO. I don't believe any bigs are franchise players right now besides Dwight (Yao, but only if he grows a pair and demands the ball). For a big to truely control a game he needs to be Shaq-like dominant and Dwight has far surpassed him defensively and will hopefully be equivalent to him offensively.

so tim duncan and kevin garnett arent franchise players!?

KG2TB
03-23-2009, 02:09 AM
Brandon Roy - yes

Danny Granger - no

Amare Stoudemire - great 2nd option

Chris Bosh - great 2nd option

Deron Williams - yes

Carlos Boozer - no

Derrick Rose - yes

Kevin Durant - yes

nickster16301
03-23-2009, 02:33 AM
can any of you honestly say that these guys except for kevin durant can will their team to a championship?

zachattach
03-23-2009, 02:34 AM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant Honestly I was going to begin by saying Brandon Roy reminds me a lot of the role Chauncey Billups has with the Pistons several years back. Where he is his teams (Franchise guy) guy. Then I thought well what is a FRANCHISE PLAYER, well to me it is somkeone that no matter what team they end up on, he is the guy and I don't think you can say that about any of these players.. Kevin Durant will be there soon and maybe even Danny Granger

UofA
03-23-2009, 02:48 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger (maybe)

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose (most likely will be)

Kevin Durant (no question in my mind)

What he said

cmoneytakemoney
03-23-2009, 03:40 AM
Brandon Roy-yes

Danny Granger-could be but I'd say better 2nd option

Amare Stoudemire-no

Chris Bosh-no

Deron Williams-yes

Carlos Boozer-no

Derrick Rose-no

Kevin Durant-yes

Carmelo Anthony-no

sp1derm00
03-23-2009, 10:11 AM
Roy, Deron, and Durant are going to be almost for certain. Rose is almost there.

sargon21
03-23-2009, 10:32 AM
Brandon Roy YES

Danny Granger NO

Amare Stoudemire NO

Chris Bosh YES

Deron Williams YES

Carlos Boozer NO

Derrick Rose YES

Kevin Durant YES

sargon21
03-23-2009, 10:37 AM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose - you guys all give this guy way too much credit for putting up stats on a mediocre Chicago Bulls
Kevin Durant

you obv haven't watched him play much b/c he shows endless potential & btw for you to put dwill on a totally diff planet then drose is ridiculous drose is far better as a rookie and is basically putting up dwill's stats in his sophomore year

1goldenrican1
03-23-2009, 01:44 PM
Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant

*Bolded ones=yes


I agree with you. I think bosh needs to take it to the next level and make a deep playoff run to be considerd. Carlos Boozer, lol. No. Amare would be to if he paried up with Deron or Paul. Without an all star point like nash he will never be one. Now he is starting to be injury prone

JJ81
03-23-2009, 02:48 PM
Brandon Roy - Yes.

Danny Granger - Yes.

Amare Stoudemire - No.

Chris Bosh - Yes.

Deron Williams - No.

Carlos Boozer - No.

Derrick Rose - Not yet.

Kevin Durant - Yes.

tkshy
03-23-2009, 03:16 PM
Brandon Roy
-YES
Danny Granger
-NO
Amare Stoudemire
-NO
Chris Bosh
-NO
Deron Williams
-YES
Carlos Boozer
-NO
Derrick Rose
-Not sure yet
Kevin Durant
-Not sure yet

JordansBulls
03-24-2009, 12:45 AM
I forgot to add Gilbert Arenas here.

superkegger
03-24-2009, 12:54 AM
I forgot to add Gilbert Arenas here.

Good thing. He's about as iffy as you can get with his knee injuries. No one should really evaluate what he is or how good he is until after the 09-10 season is over.

GodsSon
03-24-2009, 01:19 AM
I'll say Boozer is the only definite NO...Rose is still too young as well, and im not completely sold on Amare.

JordansBulls
03-24-2009, 08:02 AM
Good thing. He's about as iffy as you can get with his knee injuries. No one should really evaluate what he is or how good he is until after the 09-10 season is over.

Before the injury do you think he was a franchise player?

PhillySportFan
03-24-2009, 10:35 AM
I think the use of the word "franchise player" hasn't been exactly defined. Franchise player as in LeBron/Kobe/Wade, guys who take over the game single handily and are the leaders? or franchise player as in there best player, does good things but isn't quite the leader and scorer those 3 are? I think if you mean by franchise player, there best player and the one they rely in crunch time, there all franchise players but all they all on that elite elite status? No. I think the best scorer and the one you would say is closest to that level this second is Kevin Durant. I think Brandon Roy and Chris Bosh have had there highs but still not consistent enough, sure they go through stretches but not quite on that level of scoring. I see Derrick Rose getting to that level maybe some day, Deron Williams has his stretches but to me he's a bigger more athletic Chris Paul but the problem is he's more inconsistent. Boozer is not a franchise player, Amare I think is a GREAT second option but I don't think he's a great first option. Granger, I don't know cause he only has personally succeeded on a failing team, so on a winning team can he be the same player? I'm not so sure of that.

nyybronxborn
03-24-2009, 11:02 AM
[QUOTE=JordansBulls;8810692]Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy i think so

Danny Granger no

Amare Stoudemire no

Chris Bosh no

Deron Williams yes

Carlos Boozer no , i like him but no

Derrick Rose yes i think so

Kevin Durant hell yeah

Young2Kinsler
03-24-2009, 11:18 AM
All but Rose are.

superkegger
03-24-2009, 01:34 PM
Before the injury do you think he was a franchise player?

Well, yeah. But he hasn't played much for 3 years, so no. But if Gil comes back and is playing the kind of ball he did before he got injured, and stays healthy, he's a franchise player IMO. But those are BIG if's

Steely McBeam
03-24-2009, 01:41 PM
boozer, bosh, stoudemire and granger are great players but i would not choose to build my team around them

Hawkeye15
03-24-2009, 02:11 PM
Are you serious? Saying Rose is but D-Will is just a great player? D-Will is the 2nd best pg in the league and CP3 is only ahead of him by a very small margin...

Rose is, he will be a better player in my opinion, makes him a franchise player. Williams is a great player, but he doesn't hold the same value as Paul for example. I think Rose will.

KnicksorBust
03-24-2009, 04:02 PM
IMO only Roy and Durant can win a title as THE guy.

josh-hamilton32
03-24-2009, 06:41 PM
:9/11:Brandon Roy.............................yes

Danny Granger..........................yes

Amare Stoudemire.......................no:bla:

Chris Bosh................................yes

Deron Williams...........................yes

Carlos Boozer.............................no

Derrick Rose..................in the future

Kevin Durant..............................yes

pd7631
03-24-2009, 06:49 PM
Are these guys Franchise Players?


Brandon Roy

Danny Granger

Amare Stoudemire

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

Carlos Boozer

Derrick Rose

Kevin Durant


I think that in order for a player to be considered a "Franchise" player, they must be capable of being the BEST player on a championship caliber team. With that said, here are the players on this list that I think are Franchise players:

Brandon Roy

Chris Bosh

Deron Williams

*Derrick Rose*(I don't know if this guy has what it takes just yet considering he hasn't even finished his first season, but he is definitely off to a good start)

Kevin Durant

KnicksorBust
03-24-2009, 09:28 PM
I'm surprised so many people picked Bosh. He's got more help in Toronto than Wade in Miami and Miami is good and the Raptors are god-awful. They all seem like they'd be ideal 2nd stars on a title team but I really only believe in Roy and Durant.

JordansBulls
03-24-2009, 11:12 PM
I'm surprised so many people picked Bosh. He's got more help in Toronto than Wade in Miami and Miami is good and the Raptors are god-awful. They all seem like they'd be ideal 2nd stars on a title team but I really only believe in Roy and Durant.

Yeah I'm starting to believe Bosh might be better suited as a 2nd option.

IversonIsKrazy
03-24-2009, 11:28 PM
Brandon Roy - Yes.

Danny Granger - Yes

Amare Stoudemire - No

Chris Bosh - NO!!

Deron Williams - Yes

Carlos Boozer - No

Derrick Rose - Yes

Kevin Durant - Yes

ElMarroAfamado
03-25-2009, 01:48 AM
ill take by "franchise player" you mean someone who can take their teams DEEP in the playoffs...lead in other words


Brandon Roy - most certainly yes

Danny Granger - yes, in the east

Amare Stoudemire - nah

Chris Bosh - yes, with another all star on his team

Deron Williams - yes he is the type of guy that i think can lead his team places with a mediocre squad if it ever came to it

Carlos Boozer - no

Derrick Rose - no

Kevin Durant - yes and if he leaves the thunder he will be able to showcase himself and prove that he is a franchise player

ROy
and then Durant
in my opinion will have the most success in the long run

JordansBulls
03-25-2009, 10:30 AM
ill take by "franchise player" you mean someone who can take their teams DEEP in the playoffs...lead in other words


Brandon Roy - most certainly yes

Danny Granger - yes, in the east

Amare Stoudemire - nah

Chris Bosh - yes, with another all star on his team

Deron Williams - yes he is the type of guy that i think can lead his team places with a mediocre squad if it ever came to it

Carlos Boozer - no

Derrick Rose - no

Kevin Durant - yes and if he leaves the thunder he will be able to showcase himself and prove that he is a franchise player

ROy
and then Durant
in my opinion will have the most success in the long run

In 2007 who do you think led the Jazz to the Conference Finals? Boozer or Deron?

jimbobjarree
03-25-2009, 10:48 AM
durant, deron, roy and Granger are.

Rose not yet, but I'm certain he will be

the others could demand or be traded at any time, or just sign for someone else

jimbobjarree
03-25-2009, 10:51 AM
In 2007 who do you think led the Jazz to the Conference Finals? Boozer or Deron?

That was in Deron's break out year though. Now he has a max extension and runs our team he has definatly become our franchise man. Its like if the Bulls went to the ECF this year, Rose still isnt there yet in terms of leading your team every game, and your main players will probably be Gordon, Salmons, Deng etc, but you all know that Rose is the guy your franchise will be built on eventually.

I define a franchise player as a guy who is anchored down to a long term contract, or very loyal to his team and leads by example, inspiring players around him. As for Booz, he really isnt any of those things, and now will always be seen as Deron's sidekick unless he leaves

Testaverde16
03-25-2009, 11:44 AM
Boozer is the only one I can definitely say no on.... maybe I could with Amare and Bosh as well, the others seem like they are...

GodsSon
03-25-2009, 12:12 PM
i dont understand how people can say Granger is a for sure franchise guy, and Bosh isnt...in my opinion, they're probably around the same level, with Bosh maybe being a little better...in terms of actual franchise players though, there are only like 5-6 in the league right now

LTS
03-25-2009, 12:14 PM
Brandon Roy-yes (j Johnson like)

Danny Granger- not yet

Amare Stoudemire-no

Chris Bosh-no

Deron Williams-yes

Carlos Boozer-no

Derrick Rose-yes

Kevin Durant-yes

Korman12
03-25-2009, 12:33 PM
I'd say yes to every one but Boozer and maybe Amare.

jgonboricua
03-25-2009, 01:10 PM
I agree with Roy/Durant/Deron/Rose...not so sure about granger....he is more on the 2nd tier of players such as iguodala/deng/kevin martin/josh smith/

JordansBulls
03-25-2009, 02:53 PM
I'd say yes to every one but Boozer and maybe Amare.

What makes them franchise players over Boozer or Amare?

DerekRE_3
03-25-2009, 03:04 PM
What makes them franchise players over Boozer or Amare?

What would Amare be without Nash? Also, his post defense is horrible.

abe_froman
03-25-2009, 03:10 PM
What makes them franchise players over Boozer or Amare?

because it's not "their" team,amare is a good player but it's steve's team lets not kid ourselves,same with boozer being second fiddle to deron

superkegger
03-25-2009, 05:07 PM
What would Amare be without Nash?

Tyrus Thomas. :shrug:

The Answer3
03-25-2009, 05:18 PM
What would Amare be without Nash? Also, his post defense is horrible.

Not that I think Amare's a franchise player, but he was a 21/9 player before Nash came to Phoenix so he's not a product of Steve Nash as it's advertised. I'd like to add that Stephon Marbury was the PG of that team for about 40 games, so it's not like he was getting plenty of touches. The Nash & Amare PNR used to bring the best out of those 2 and worked really well. It's a great play, so it should be utilized. Amare would still be an all-star caliber player without Nash.

Korman12
03-25-2009, 08:02 PM
Boozer and Amare seem to me to be more fit to be extremely good complimentary players (i.e. Gasol, West) that are situationally better with another established player(s) alongside them (Williams, Nash).

As for the others I feel the individual skills of Roy, Rose, Durant, Bosh, and Granger are large or should be large enough in the future to be acknowledged as the faces of their respected franchises.

Keep in mind Portland (Roy), Utah (Williams), Okalahoma City (Durant), Chicago (Rose), and Indiana (Granger), are all building around the players mentioned before. They are also considered the team's only untouchable pieces when it comes to trading, unlike Amare and Boozer who have been rumored as recently as this season as trade options.

Bosh is on the fringe.

heatking
03-25-2009, 08:44 PM
roy

deron

durant

rose

those are the sure ones, and rose looks like a top franchise point guard by the looks of things. the other ones simply dont have the leadership. their all just stat freaks.