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jrilla1210
03-21-2009, 01:52 PM
I was just wondering how you all ranked the top floor generals in the East. I got em like this.

1.Devin Harris
2.Derrick Rose
3.Rajon Rondo
4.Mo Williams
5.Andre Miller

juggla53
03-21-2009, 01:57 PM
If were talking about right now id take mo williams over rajon rondo and derrick rose

JJ81
03-21-2009, 01:58 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Mo Williams
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Derrick Rose
5. Rajon Rondo / Jose Calderon

Kakaroach
03-21-2009, 01:59 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Mo Williams
5. Andre Miller
Honorable Mentions: T.J. Ford and Jose Calderon

_Sn1P3r_
03-21-2009, 02:00 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Mo Williams
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Derrick Rose
5. Andre Miller/Jose Calderon

*Nelson would be top 2/3, but he is injured.

barbjake
03-21-2009, 02:09 PM
1. Mo Williams
2. Derrick Rose
3. Devin Harris
4. Rondo
5. Kirk Hinrich:clap:

that list is the best!

barbjake
03-21-2009, 02:10 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Mo Williams
5. Andre Miller
Honorable Mentions: T.J. Ford and Jose Calderon

Not even honorable mention for the ROY Derrick Rose? TJ Ford is THAT much better?

jrilla1210
03-21-2009, 02:14 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Mo Williams
5. Andre Miller
Honorable Mentions: T.J. Ford and Jose Calderon

Calderon and Nelson are two of the most overrated point guards in the east. Wheres Rose?

Raoul Duke_91
03-21-2009, 02:14 PM
I was just wondering how you all ranked the top floor generals in the East. I got em like this.

1.Devin Harris
2.Derrick Rose
3.Rajon Rondo
4.Mo Williams
5.Andre Miller

I think this is a pretty decent list some could argue switching D.Rose and Rondo but Rose scores more points with rondo, and averages about 2 assists less than rondo with way way less. But that being said Rondo plays better D than Rose so either way rose at 2 or 3 is pretty good.

yuns554
03-21-2009, 02:17 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Mo Williams
3. Rajon Rando
4. Derrick Rose
5. Jameer Nelson

Raoul Duke_91
03-21-2009, 02:17 PM
Calderon and Nelson are two of the most overrated point guards in the east. Wheres Rose?

I think Mo Williams is very overrated as well, he only averages 4ast a game, and his numbers and undoubtedly inflated by the face that Lebron is on the floor with him everynight.

yuns554
03-21-2009, 02:19 PM
I think Mo Williams is very overrated as well, he only averages 4ast a game, and his numbers and undoubtedly inflated by the face that Lebron is on the floor with him everynight.

but mo williams is the best shooter out of the guards maybe calderon is around him but i dont feel like lookin up stats

VCaintdead17
03-21-2009, 02:21 PM
1.Devin Harris
2.Jameer Nelson
3.Mo Williams
4.Andre Miller
5.Kirk Hinrich

Super.
03-21-2009, 02:29 PM
Not even honorable mention for the ROY Derrick Rose? TJ Ford is THAT much better?

Really? Rose already won it?

chitownbulls
03-21-2009, 02:31 PM
1. Harris
2. Rondo
3. Rose
4 Mo
5. Miller

Other note worthy players, Nelson(when healthy), Calderon, Hinrich(His numbers aren't so great compared to the others, but thats because he is a bench player)

EX-TREME
03-21-2009, 02:33 PM
Calderon and Nelson are two of the most overrated point guards. where's rose

:crazy:

EX-TREME
03-21-2009, 02:36 PM
1. devin
2.jameer
3.rose
4.mo
5.jose

GatorKid117
03-21-2009, 02:42 PM
but mo williams is the best shooter out of the guards maybe calderon is around him but i dont feel like lookin up stats

Educate yourself: http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT7.HTM

Jameer Nelson and Chris Paul both shoot better 2pt jump shot %. Both also are much less assisted which means they both create their shots more often than Williams as well.

Looking at 3pt % Jameer Nelson also shoots a higher % than Williams and again, is less assisted on his 3pt shots showing he creates more for his offense.

The only reason Mo Williams could be considered better than Nelson is b/c Nelson has been injured for half of the season and people are ignorant. And Nelson averages 5.4 to Mo's 4 assists/game.

Nelson>Mo Williams

SeoulBeatz
03-21-2009, 02:59 PM
Miller should be #5 on everybodys list, the guy is mad underrated

IversonIsKrazy
03-21-2009, 03:04 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Derrick Rose
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Mo Williams
5. Rajon Rondo

black1605
03-21-2009, 03:46 PM
no Felton love from anyone? not even honorable mention!?!?

bostncelts34
03-21-2009, 03:52 PM
honestly i dont know why everyone is ranking Mo so high. Lebron drives, all 5 defenders colapse, and he shoots open 3's lol.

1.Devin Harris
2.Rajon Rondo
3.Andre Miller
4.Derrick Rose
5.Mo Williams


IMO, u can put rondo,rose,williams,miller,calderon in any type of order 2-5 really.

bostncelts34
03-21-2009, 03:55 PM
Educate yourself: http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT7.HTM

Jameer Nelson and Chris Paul both shoot better 2pt jump shot %. Both also are much less assisted which means they both create their shots more often than Williams as well.

Looking at 3pt % Jameer Nelson also shoots a higher % than Williams and again, is less assisted on his 3pt shots showing he creates more for his offense.

The only reason Mo Williams could be considered better than Nelson is b/c Nelson has been injured for half of the season and people are ignorant. And Nelson averages 5.4 to Mo's 4 assists/game.

Nelson>Mo Williams


Nice. I agree.

For a PG to only average 4 apg is pretty bad. Lebron is basically there pg. and Williams stands outside and shoots open 3's.

Brooke
03-21-2009, 04:21 PM
1) Devin Harris
2) Mo Williams
3) Rajon Rondo
4) Derrick Rose
5) Jameer Nelson

heatking
03-21-2009, 04:53 PM
harris
mo williams
rose
rondo
jameer nelson

SaimoNETS
03-21-2009, 04:53 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Derrick Rose
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Andre Miller [who I think is very underrated]
5. Mo Williams [it would've been Jameer Nelson if he was healthy]

ShaunRiching9
03-21-2009, 06:01 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Mo Williams
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Derrick Rose
5. Jose Calderon

By next season Rose will be 1 or 2

IrespectNumber3
03-21-2009, 06:08 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Mo Williams
3. Rajon Rando
4. Derrick Rose
5. Raymond Felton

ProdigyI
03-21-2009, 06:10 PM
1.Derrick Rose
2.Derrick Rose
3.Derrick Rose
4.Derrick Rose
5.Derrick Rose

Honorable Mention: Derrick Rose

AIMelo=KillaDUO
03-21-2009, 06:16 PM
hARRIS
Mo
Dre
Rose
Rondoooooooooo

jrilla1210
03-21-2009, 06:30 PM
Educate yourself: http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT7.HTM

Jameer Nelson and Chris Paul both shoot better 2pt jump shot %. Both also are much less assisted which means they both create their shots more often than Williams as well.

Looking at 3pt % Jameer Nelson also shoots a higher % than Williams and again, is less assisted on his 3pt shots showing he creates more for his offense.

The only reason Mo Williams could be considered better than Nelson is b/c Nelson has been injured for half of the season and people are ignorant. And Nelson averages 5.4 to Mo's 4 assists/game.

Nelson>Mo Williams

Of course Nelson shoots a better 3point % look at how well Orlando spaces the floor. You got big Dwight down low he commands a double team and that team is loaded with 3pt shooters in there rotation. Meanwhile you got Mo Williams still getting his despite LeBron dominating the ball. All Nelson has to do is basically spot up and wait for the ball for a wide open look.

dtmagnet
03-21-2009, 06:40 PM
You could also argue that Rondo looks better because there are 3 all stars on the floor with him, but point guards are a part of their team so to say they are overrated due to the other players on their team is a flawed argument imo.

superkegger
03-21-2009, 06:56 PM
As of right now, I'll have to go:
Rondo
Jameer
Harris
Mo Williams
Rose

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
03-21-2009, 06:58 PM
1. Harris
2. Williams (Mo)
3. Nelson
4. Rose
5. Miller (Andre)

GatorKid117
03-21-2009, 08:02 PM
Of course Nelson shoots a better 3point % look at how well Orlando spaces the floor. You got big Dwight down low he commands a double team and that team is loaded with 3pt shooters in there rotation. Meanwhile you got Mo Williams still getting his despite LeBron dominating the ball. All Nelson has to do is basically spot up and wait for the ball for a wide open look.

Do you not understand what assisted shots are. Look at the link I provided. Nelson's 3s are assisted 65% of the time. This means that like you said, someone passes it to him and he shoots it in 65% of the time. Mo Williams on the other hand is assisted 78% of the time. So over 3/4 of the time he doesn't create his own shot and shoots it. For 2pt shoots, Nelson is only asisted 8% of the time. Williams? 31% The only other PGs with lower assisted % are Harris, Paul and Ford at 7%.

If we go further into the discussion, Nelson also shoots a higher % for inside shots (although negligible), gets his shots blocked less and again isless assisted.

Is there a real difference w/ Dwight and LeBron? Like you said, both of them "demand" and "dominate" the ball so how is Nelson just standing there waiting to shoot different than Williams?

Basically, you have no argument and everything you said was a lie. Nelson is a much better creator, a better passer and a slightly better shooter (you could somewhat argue either way) than Williams. The STATS which are not biased, indicate that Williams is actually the benefactor of just standing there and shooting. Williams=spot up shooter. Again, educate yourself...

tdunk21
03-21-2009, 08:02 PM
Derrick Rose
Devin Harris
Mo Williams
Andre Miller
Jose Calderon

who is rondo???

GatorKid117
03-21-2009, 08:05 PM
My rankings:

1. Harris
2a. Rondo
2b. Nelson
4. Miller
5. Williams

Kakaroach
03-21-2009, 08:25 PM
Really? Rose already won it? Lol thats what I was gonna say it. I think he will be great and will be Top 5, but not right now.

Lindystud36
03-21-2009, 08:26 PM
All i know is Dallas must hate themselves for losing harris for Kid haha

GREATNESS ONE
03-21-2009, 08:47 PM
1. Harris
2. Williams (Mo)
3. Nelson
4. Rose
5. Miller (Andre)

I agree with this list with Rondo in 6

BigDaddyKaine
03-21-2009, 09:02 PM
Harris
Mo
Rose
Nelson
Rondo

durtee
03-21-2009, 09:04 PM
1. Harris
2. Williams (Mo)
3. Nelson
4. Rose
5. Miller (Andre)

This!

MAC10TIZZY
03-21-2009, 09:19 PM
devin harris
jameer nelson
nate robinson and that is it

Giantwarrior
03-21-2009, 11:30 PM
rondo should not be in the top 5, sorry. hes totally overrated. put him in any other team. you think he can dominate?

EddieB
03-21-2009, 11:43 PM
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Tony Parker
4. Brandon Roy
5. Chauncy Billups

All 5 of those PGs are better than Devin Harris

SaimoNETS
03-22-2009, 12:07 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Tony Parker
4. Brandon Roy
5. Chauncy Billups

All 5 of those PGs are better than Devin Harris

he's not even a PG so you can count him out.

Harris is a top 5 PG in the league.

wwwhat
03-22-2009, 12:08 AM
1. Devin Harris
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Mo Williams
5. Andre Miller


This.

unwantedplayer
03-22-2009, 12:32 AM
rondo should not be in the top 5, sorry. hes totally overrated. put him in any other team. you think he can dominate?

Yeah I do. Rondo is still developing and with the help of the Big 3, he will be an All-Star pg. I agree to an extent that he is a bit overrated but you can't say he isn't in the top 5. Rondo probably plays great D and controls the offense. If you've watched any Celtics games, you can see that once Rondo is out, the Celtics offense changes.

_KB24_
03-22-2009, 12:42 AM
Harris
Rondo
Williams
Nelson
Calderon

*Rose is like .2222222 away from being on that list

tdunk21
03-22-2009, 12:49 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Tony Parker
4. Brandon Roy
5. Chauncy Billups

All 5 of those PGs are better than Devin Harris

did u even read the title of the thread......:rolleyes:

jumpman6two3
03-22-2009, 01:15 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Tony Parker
4. Brandon Roy
5. Chauncy Billups

All 5 of those PGs are better than Devin Harris

OK.. two things, 1) Roy is NOT a PG :confused: and 2) All five of these guys are IN THE WEST! :confused: Read the thread next time!

Now, my list goes:
1. Devin Harris
2. Derrick Rose
3. Mo Williams
4. Jameer Nelson
5. Rajon Rondo

Anyone that doesnt have Rose on their list is an idiot. Have you seen him play this year?! :crazy: Give him another 1-2 years and he'll be rivaling Chris Paul for the best point guard in the LEAGUE, forget the east! :confused:
Paul's Rookie Yr: 16.1 PPG 7.8 AST 43% FG
Rose's Rookie Yr: 16.6 PPG 6.2 AST 47% FG

And another thing.. Im sorry, but Andre Miller is overrated as far as Im concerned. What has he ever done?! :confused: He's been on 4 teams already- if he's that great, teams wouldnt let him go. At least, 4 of these 5 guys (with the exception of Rondo) can take over a game and create with the game on the line! Have you ever seen Miiler hit a game-winner?! He should automatically be eliminated with the way Rose crossed him over this year! :D

UofA
03-22-2009, 01:45 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Tony Parker
4. Brandon Roy
5. Chauncy Billups

All 5 of those PGs are better than Devin Harris

Pretty sure Roy isn't a PG

UofA
03-22-2009, 01:47 AM
Harris
Rondo
Rose
Williams
Miller

grantslammer123
03-22-2009, 02:15 AM
If were talking about future then Rose will be the best.

zambo4president
03-22-2009, 03:05 AM
Harris and then Rose after that, it doesnt really matter.

salimstoudamire
03-22-2009, 04:25 AM
Aight. Anyone who has Rajon Rondo on their list should be removed from this site. He is the biggest joke of a player that the NBA has. He is easily the most overrated player in the league because look at his squad. I could go out and average 3pts, 2rebs, 8asss, on that team. There are three legit weapons on that squad that can score 30 points a night if they are the focus of the offense on that night. But the Celtics spread the ball, so they really dont have a focus player. Look, I hate paul pierce, but he is a solid player. He is not the greatest player in the world like he said in that interview. Then KG, no more need be said. Then Ray Allen. Probably going to go down as a top 2 three point shooter of all time. But he doesnt only shoot threes, he is simply a good player. Ill give it to Rajon on the steals part, because he is a solid on ball defender.

I do live around Philly, so I see a good amount of the Sixers games live. But I do watch mutliple games a night cause of league pass. If you watch Andre Miller, he is just fantastic. Hes got some older legs so he may not be the best defensivly, but if you watch him control the offense, it amazes me. What player on the 76ers can you rely on to get you points night after night. Iggy's shot sucks balls. Dalembert cant shoot the ball, in there for defensiver purposes. Willie Green, enough said. Thaddeus Young is going to be nice but he is too underdeveloped at this point. If he was on a solid team, he would easily be considered a top 5 point guard in the east. Just look at what he was doing with the Nuggets before he came here. You notice the major difference with Denver and Philly. He also averages like uhhhh, 16 a game, or something like that. He has to create his shot, because the defense isnt looking for anyone else like how Rondo's got it. Im not saying Andre is the best or anything, cause i clearly know he isnt. But, Rajon is a joke and when it comes to putting him up there with the best point guards pisses me off.

Derick713
03-22-2009, 06:32 AM
1.)Devin Harris
2.)Mo Williams
3.)Rajon Rondo
4.)Jameer Nelson
5.)Andre Miller

Derrick Rose will pass Miller next season.


Devin Harris is first based on youth and displayed potential.

ntat
03-22-2009, 06:55 AM
I was just wondering how you all ranked the top floor generals in the East. I got em like this.

1.Devin Harris
2.Derrick Rose
3.Rajon Rondo
4.Mo Williams
5.Andre Miller

rondo is good, but i have a feeling any descent guard could average 12 and 6 with that starting lineup, and he cant shoot for ****.
rose is a rookie, MO has had one good 3/4 of one seaSon, and its the trickle down off lebron. As in Lebron really is the point guard, and MO gets some wide open jump shots.
I have always felt A miller is way underrated. He fills up the stat sheets, and gets the team involved a ton. He needs to be up in the top 2 or 3 in the east. I hate how bandwagon people r on this site.

ntat
03-22-2009, 06:56 AM
1.)Devin Harris
2.)Mo Williams
3.)Rajon Rondo
4.)Jameer Nelson
5.)Andre Miller

Derrick Rose will pass Miller next season.


Devin Harris is first based on youth and displayed potential.
Nelson? get the **** outta here.

scarletknight12
03-22-2009, 08:25 AM
Andre Miller may be the most underrated player in the NBA. Glad he is ganning a bit of recognition here

JayW_1023
03-22-2009, 08:29 AM
Devin Harris
Derrick Rose
Rajon Rondo
Mo Williams
Ramon Sessions

magichatnumber9
03-22-2009, 09:18 AM
Derrick Rose
Devin Harris
Mo Williams
Andre Miller
Jose Calderon

who is rondo???Go to youtube son

Ray_R
03-22-2009, 09:38 AM
but mo williams is the best shooter out of the guards maybe calderon is around him but i dont feel like lookin up stats

Were talking about point guard not shooting guards

Ray_R
03-22-2009, 09:41 AM
1. Chris paul
2. Deron williams
3. Tony parker
4. Brandon roy
5. Chauncy billups

all 5 of those pgs are better than devin harris

come back in a couple or three years then well see who got better point guards all or most of this kids are barely devolping

marlinsfan24
03-22-2009, 09:41 AM
Where does Mario Chalmers rank so far? (Not making an argument of he should be top 5)

wwwhat
03-22-2009, 09:58 AM
Nelson? get the **** outta here.

Oh right, because All-Star scoring PGs aren't good at all.

tdunk21
03-22-2009, 01:13 PM
Go to youtube son

some people just dont get the idea of sarcasm....

klvanzu
03-22-2009, 03:48 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Derrick Rose
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Andre Miller
5. TJ Ford
6. Mo Williams
7. Jameer Nelson
8. Mike Bibby
9. Mario Chalmers
10. Ramon Sessions

macc
03-22-2009, 04:24 PM
Do you not understand what assisted shots are. Look at the link I provided. Nelson's 3s are assisted 65% of the time. This means that like you said, someone passes it to him and he shoots it in 65% of the time. Mo Williams on the other hand is assisted 78% of the time. So over 3/4 of the time he doesn't create his own shot and shoots it. For 2pt shoots, Nelson is only asisted 8% of the time. Williams? 31% The only other PGs with lower assisted % are Harris, Paul and Ford at 7%.

If we go further into the discussion, Nelson also shoots a higher % for inside shots (although negligible), gets his shots blocked less and again isless assisted.

Is there a real difference w/ Dwight and LeBron? Like you said, both of them "demand" and "dominate" the ball so how is Nelson just standing there waiting to shoot different than Williams?

Basically, you have no argument and everything you said was a lie. Nelson is a much better creator, a better passer and a slightly better shooter (you could somewhat argue either way) than Williams. The STATS which are not biased, indicate that Williams is actually the benefactor of just standing there and shooting. Williams=spot up shooter. Again, educate yourself...




Well thought out and nice stats.


1.Harris
2.Nelson
3.Rondo
4.Williams
5.Miller

jrilla1210
03-22-2009, 04:25 PM
Do you not understand what assisted shots are. Look at the link I provided. Nelson's 3s are assisted 65% of the time. This means that like you said, someone passes it to him and he shoots it in 65% of the time. Mo Williams on the other hand is assisted 78% of the time. So over 3/4 of the time he doesn't create his own shot and shoots it. For 2pt shoots, Nelson is only asisted 8% of the time. Williams? 31% The only other PGs with lower assisted % are Harris, Paul and Ford at 7%.

If we go further into the discussion, Nelson also shoots a higher % for inside shots (although negligible), gets his shots blocked less and again isless assisted.

Is there a real difference w/ Dwight and LeBron? Like you said, both of them "demand" and "dominate" the ball so how is Nelson just standing there waiting to shoot different than Williams?

Basically, you have no argument and everything you said was a lie. Nelson is a much better creator, a better passer and a slightly better shooter (you could somewhat argue either way) than Williams. The STATS which are not biased, indicate that Williams is actually the benefactor of just standing there and shooting. Williams=spot up shooter. Again, educate yourself...

Look at Orlandos offense. There are possessions when Dwight never touches the ball. Or he'll flash in the post get doubled immediatley and kick it out to one of the shooters. Lebron on the other hand has the ball at all times. I hear you on all of you're stats and links but Mo Williams is a better money,clutch player. Stats dont support the will to will or heart. He hit more money shots than Jameer. he did it for the Bucks and he is doing it now. If you ask me with that line up of scorers that Nelson playes with his assist should be way up. All you gotta do is penetrate and lob to Howard or pick in roll or pick n pop with Turk or Lewis.

macc
03-22-2009, 04:29 PM
rondo should not be in the top 5, sorry. hes totally overrated. put him in any other team. you think he can dominate?


I disagree, did you see how bad the Celtics offense was when Rondo was out? Rondo is the floor chief and starts the breaks and finds open shots for his teamates. As good as his big three are, Rondo actually makes them better. And this is coming from a Magic fan. When Orlando beat Boston during this last matchup I felt bad because they had Marbury starting. Killed their ball movement. You never realize how good a guard is till hes out of your lineup. I saw it when Nelson got injured which immediately made Orlando just a above average team rather than elite.

VinceGully
03-22-2009, 04:55 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Jameer Nelson
4. Mo Williams
5. Andre Miller
Honorable Mentions: T.J. Ford and Jose Calderon

Youre obviously a hater...

why would you take Miller, Ford and Calderon on Rose????

GatorKid117
03-22-2009, 05:00 PM
Look at Orlandos offense. There are possessions when Dwight never touches the ball. Or he'll flash in the post get doubled immediatley and kick it out to one of the shooters. Lebron on the other hand has the ball at all times. I hear you on all of you're stats and links but Mo Williams is a better money,clutch player. Stats dont support the will to will or heart. He hit more money shots than Jameer. he did it for the Bucks and he is doing it now. If you ask me with that line up of scorers that Nelson playes with his assist should be way up. All you gotta do is penetrate and lob to Howard or pick in roll or pick n pop with Turk or Lewis.

You see, that's my point right there. Mo Williams is not a true PG. He is a spot up shooter, which he is great at it. I have nothing against Mo Williams but like you said, LeBron dominates the ball at all times so all Mo has to do is spot up and shoot. I was just defending Jameer when you said Mo was the best shooter b/c the stats say otherwise (they're at least comparable).

On the heart thing, you cannot say that Jameer doesn't have as much heart. Jameer has constantly been criticized throughout his career on how he is too small to be an effective player. He is had to play through all of that criticism including being benched for Arroyo last year and now he is an allstar caliber PG. I'm sure Mo has a lot of heart but you cant say Mo has more.

Being more clutch, Mo has been like you said money this year and thats great but before the injury Nelson was our clutch shooter and Mr. 4th quarter. He drained all of our big shots, just ask Lakers and Spurs fans. But for this year since Mo is not injured, I guess I can give you he is more clutch just b/c he's done it more.

Finally, this board is seriously underestimating the impact of Rondo. He is arguably the best defending PG and one of the quickest Pgs to boot. He can get wherever he wants to on the court, has great vision and can finish at the rim. He is a TRUE Pg always looking for others shots before his. If you put in Nelson, Mo Williams or Harris into the Celtic system, they wouldn't be as effective w/ them. He fits their mold perfectly. His jumpshot is still pretty bad but it seems like it is improving (don't know if it actually is). He does need to fix his free-throw shooting though. No PG should shoot in the 60% range...

Soto>Norris
03-22-2009, 05:04 PM
Really? Rose already won it?

yea, pretty sure he did...

Kidd>>>K-Mart
03-22-2009, 06:04 PM
1.) Harris
2.) Mo
3.) Rondo
4.) Rose
5.) Nelson

Testaverde16
03-22-2009, 06:09 PM
Harris
Williams
Rose
Calderon
Nelson

Rondo doesn't have the consistency yet, but is likely number 6. I really like Calderon as a player, and I think the rest are just better.

raptor fan
03-22-2009, 07:38 PM
1. Devin Harris
2. Derrick Rose
3. Mo Williams
4. Jose Calderon
5. Rajon Rondo

Calderon has been plagued by an injury that he had since Beijing, and he's still putting up 13ppg, and 8.5apg. if he was playing on a stronger team, he'd be putting up much better numbers.

Andre Miller and Jameer Nelson are honourable mentions.

cmoneytakemoney
03-22-2009, 08:06 PM
1.Devin Harris
2.Jameer Nelson
3.Mo Williams
4.Andre Miller
5.Kirk Hinrich

:laugh: Andre Miller, Jameer Nelson, and Kirk Hinrich ahead of Rajon Rondo. Give me a break.

1. Devin Harris
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Mo Williams
4. Derrick Rose
5. Jameer Nelson

VCaintdead17
03-22-2009, 08:53 PM
:laugh: Andre Miller, Jameer Nelson, and Kirk Hinrich ahead of Rajon Rondo. Give me a break.

1. Devin Harris
2. Rajon Rondo
3. Mo Williams
4. Derrick Rose
5. Jameer Nelson

:pity:


Explain one significant thing that Rondo has done to be considered a top five point guard? .. Dish out some assists to some future hall of famers? Had a couple double-doubles? Seriously, Rondo has only proved that he can be an average point guard in the NBA at this point.

jrilla1210
03-23-2009, 05:36 PM
OK.. two things, 1) Roy is NOT a PG :confused: and 2) All five of these guys are IN THE WEST! :confused: Read the thread next time!

Now, my list goes:
1. Devin Harris
2. Derrick Rose
3. Mo Williams
4. Jameer Nelson
5. Rajon Rondo

Anyone that doesnt have Rose on their list is an idiot. Have you seen him play this year?! :crazy: Give him another 1-2 years and he'll be rivaling Chris Paul for the best point guard in the LEAGUE, forget the east! :confused:
Paul's Rookie Yr: 16.1 PPG 7.8 AST 43% FG
Rose's Rookie Yr: 16.6 PPG 6.2 AST 47% FG

And another thing.. Im sorry, but Andre Miller is overrated as far as Im concerned. What has he ever done?! :confused: He's been on 4 teams already- if he's that great, teams wouldnt let him go. At least, 4 of these 5 guys (with the exception of Rondo) can take over a game and create with the game on the line! Have you ever seen Miiler hit a game-winner?! He should automatically be eliminated with the way Rose crossed him over this year! :D

Thank you Thank you some of these guys have no clue about anything like putting Calderon above Rose. All of the guys in the top 5 on other peoples list are established vets in league without anymore upside. Rose is just a rookie playing besides a crappy Bulls roster. Im with you, in a year or two he will be challenging Paul for the best pg in the game.

uncblue2332
03-23-2009, 06:04 PM
Calderon and Nelson are two of the most overrated point guards in the east. Wheres Rose?

And Rajon Rondo isnt???? Great arguement there

op12
03-23-2009, 06:16 PM
:pity:


Explain one significant thing that Rondo has done to be considered a top five point guard? .. Dish out some assists to some future hall of famers? Had a couple double-doubles? Seriously, Rondo has only proved that he can be an average point guard in the NBA at this point.

rondo does it all. people only hate on him because he is on the celtics, if he was on another team they would be talking about what a great young pg he is. he scores when needed, rebounds, drops dimes, and plays great d. none of the other pgs on here do all of those things as good as him. d rose and mo are better scorers. calderon is about equal to rondo with assists and dishing. harris may be the only one that is better than him all around and he doesnt rebound or play as good of d. please stop hating on rondo, he is easily a top 3 pg in the east. calderon and nelson are overrated and mo and rose are scoring guards.

dtmagnet
03-23-2009, 06:30 PM
calderon is about equal to rondo with assists and dishing.

That has to be a joke right? Calderon is the best passing PG in the east, the only reason he should not be in the top 5 is his lack of offensive production, but like someone posted above his hamstring has been pretty messed up since the olympics last summer. I know we tend to give more props to a player we're a fan of, but to say something like that? Come on man. Rondo does all that you can ask of a guard on a team with 3 all stars, he plays a good all-around game, but a top 5 pg in the east? No, sorry.

NYMetros
03-23-2009, 06:38 PM
This is just for this year:

1. Devin Harris
2. Andre Miller
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Mo Williams
5. Derrick Rose

Becks2307
03-23-2009, 06:40 PM
Gilbert
Devin
Mo
Derrick
Andre

op12
03-23-2009, 10:16 PM
That has to be a joke right? Calderon is the best passing PG in the east, the only reason he should not be in the top 5 is his lack of offensive production, but like someone posted above his hamstring has been pretty messed up since the olympics last summer. I know we tend to give more props to a player we're a fan of, but to say something like that? Come on man. Rondo does all that you can ask of a guard on a team with 3 all stars, he plays a good all-around game, but a top 5 pg in the east? No, sorry.



i could not get the stat sheet to lineup right but as of Mon 3/23 rondo has 369 boards, 589 assists, 130 steals and is shooting .503 from the fields. all of these stats are better than any of the other top pgs in the east everyone is talking about. how does this make him not in the top 5. yes calderon shoots better from the line and from 3 but rondo has him beat on everything else. calderon also has 200 less rebounds and 80 less steals compared to rondo. obviously rondo has played more games but durability should be taken into account as well and i doubt those extra 13 games would catch him up in these categories. he also has 110 less assists than rondo, so he would have to average 8.5 assists in those 13 games to have the same # which is possible and would make them about the same on passing like i said before, but i think this proves rondo is in the top 3.

akesh99
03-23-2009, 11:03 PM
I took into consideration supporting cast as well as value to the team and came up with this list:

Harris
Nelson
Rondo
Williams
Calderon

durtee
03-23-2009, 11:19 PM
i could not get the stat sheet to lineup right but as of Mon 3/23 rondo has 369 boards, 589 assists, 130 steals and is shooting .503 from the fields. all of these stats are better than any of the other top pgs in the east everyone is talking about. how does this make him not in the top 5. yes calderon shoots better from the line and from 3 but rondo has him beat on everything else. calderon also has 200 less rebounds and 80 less steals compared to rondo. obviously rondo has played more games but durability should be taken into account as well and i doubt those extra 13 games would catch him up in these categories. he also has 110 less assists than rondo, so he would have to average 8.5 assists in those 13 games to have the same # which is possible and would make them about the same on passing like i said before, but i think this proves rondo is in the top 3.

Not that I really care, but I don't understand why you didn't use per game statistics and where did you get those statistics. After reading your post, something didn't sound right and this is what I got from ESPN.

Jose- 12.7ppg 3.0rpg 8.6apg 1.0 spg .495fg .977ft 2.11 to 1.60 pf

Rondo- 11.9 ppg 5.3 rpg 8.5 apg 1.88 spg .503 fg .639 ft 2.65 to 2.49

They are pretty close in most categories and maybe a slight edge goes to Calderon, but I can only imagine that at least Calderon's FG% & APG would increase if he played with 3 HOFers.

jim51990
03-23-2009, 11:49 PM
if you have rose over rondo your crazy
i have a better jump shot then rose

klvanzu
03-24-2009, 03:14 AM
if you have rose over rondo your crazy
i have a better jump shot then rose

Rose actually has pretty decent jump shot. He's streaky but it's not bad. It's funny that you put a guy with a much worse jump shot over him.

Chicagofaithful
03-24-2009, 03:59 AM
no offense to the Rondo lovers, but if he was so good coming into the league.. then why his rookie year before KG and Ray Allen came, was he only averaging 6-4-4 ? in almost as many minutes as he got last year? BECAUSE RAY ALLEN AND KG ARE AWESOME... not because rondo is amazing.. if you swapped Rondo with Ramon Sessions... i swear they'd get the same numbers as each other on their respective teams... and Rondo would be struggling for the 10th seed like the bucks are now... reason being... any point guard who is fast and willing to pass first will succeed on a team with 3 proven allstars... stop bragging about how good he is... if he was THAT talented and so elite in the east... he could have put up huge numbers like Rose as rookie when he had Paul pierce on his team.. Rose has NO ALLSTARS AT ALL and still manages numbers comparable to Paul, Williams, and Wade as rookies... so stf^ and do some effing research before you hop on his C**k... and brag about it

Chicagofaithful
03-24-2009, 04:02 AM
7 less minutes.... just to clarify... so apparently 7 minutes makes THAT huge of a difference lol cuz it definitely cant be Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett....

Fireworld
03-24-2009, 04:37 AM
1.Devin Harris
2.Jameer Nelson
3.Mo Williams
4.Andre Miller
5.Kirk Hinrich

DeShaun Brown
03-24-2009, 04:54 AM
1.Devin Harris
2.Jameer Nelson
3.Mo Williams
4.Andre Miller
5.Kirk Hinrich

I like Kirk Hinrich but you do realize that he lost his starting pg job to Rose, a rookie right?

1. Devin Harris - has been unbelievable this year
2. Derrick Rose - is a rookie, is starting over a good veteran pg, and doesn't have all-star help like the rest of the guys everyone is naming. His numbers so far are comparable to Chris Paul's rookie season.
3. Mike Bibby - a true veteran pg who has "been there, done that" (with the exception of winning a title). Career stats: 16.4ppg 6.1apg 3.3rpg 1.3spg.
4. Andre Miller - is underrated but aging. Career stats: 14.6ppg 7.4apg 4.2rpg 1.4spg, all better than everyone that has been mentioned except Rose (16.6) and Bibby (16.4) in ppg.
5. Jameer Nelson - was having a breakout season before his injury but, has the most talent around him besides Williams and Rondo arguably.


Honorable mention: Kirk Hinrich - would be above Nelson if he were a starter. He is a great defender, having to always defend the bigger, better guard when he's on the floor with Gordon. He also has never had an all-star to play alongside and defer to. Career stats: 13.9ppg 6.1apg 3.4rpg 1.3spg.
T J Ford, Jose Calderon, Rajon Rondo, Rafer Alston, and Mo Williams.

Up and coming pg's: (In no particular order) Mario Chalmers, D J Augustine, Rodney Stuckey, and Ramon Sessions.

Chronz
03-24-2009, 06:40 AM
no offense to the Rondo lovers, but if he was so good coming into the league.. then why his rookie year before KG and Ray Allen came, was he only averaging 6-4-4 ? in almost as many minutes as he got last year?
Yes because players stop improving their first season in the league, oh yea and he didnt get anywhere near as many minutes. Considering players play better with more minutes its also another reason.



BECAUSE RAY ALLEN AND KG ARE AWESOME... not because rondo is amazing.. if you swapped Rondo with Ramon Sessions... i swear they'd get the same numbers as each other on their respective teams... and Rondo would be struggling for the 10th seed like the bucks are now... reason being... any point guard who is fast and willing to pass first will succeed on a team with 3 proven allstars... stop bragging about how good he is... if he was THAT talented and so elite in the east... he could have put up huge numbers like Rose as rookie when he had Paul pierce on his team.. Rose has NO ALLSTARS AT ALL and still manages numbers comparable to Paul, Williams, and Wade as rookies... so stf^ and do some effing research before you hop on his C**k... and brag about it
Sessions is good and all but he cant defend like Rondo, nor can he rebound like Rondo. Their penetration abilities are superb but thats where the comparison ends.

Fans in Asia
03-24-2009, 07:08 AM
I think Jose Calderon deserves to be on the list, regardless his team's record right now....

tdunk21
03-24-2009, 08:29 AM
no offense to the Rondo lovers, but if he was so good coming into the league.. then why his rookie year before KG and Ray Allen came, was he only averaging 6-4-4 ? in almost as many minutes as he got last year? BECAUSE RAY ALLEN AND KG ARE AWESOME... not because rondo is amazing.. if you swapped Rondo with Ramon Sessions... i swear they'd get the same numbers as each other on their respective teams... and Rondo would be struggling for the 10th seed like the bucks are now... reason being... any point guard who is fast and willing to pass first will succeed on a team with 3 proven allstars... stop bragging about how good he is... if he was THAT talented and so elite in the east... he could have put up huge numbers like Rose as rookie when he had Paul pierce on his team.. Rose has NO ALLSTARS AT ALL and still manages numbers comparable to Paul, Williams, and Wade as rookies... so stf^ and do some effing research before you hop on his C**k... and brag about it

:worthy:

tdunk21
03-24-2009, 08:33 AM
if you have rose over rondo your crazy
i have a better jump shot then rose

really???????then y is he in the NBA and u r not????:crazy:

rhymeratic
03-24-2009, 08:55 AM
1. Miller (Legit PG)
2. Rondo (Legit PG)
3.
4.
5.
and beyond... NONE of them are PG's. All of them are scoring guards in PG bodies. Shoot is there really a difference btwn: Nate Robinson, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Mo Williams, Raymond Felton etc.

op12
03-24-2009, 11:32 AM
Not that I really care, but I don't understand why you didn't use per game statistics and where did you get those statistics. After reading your post, something didn't sound right and this is what I got from ESPN.

Jose- 12.7ppg 3.0rpg 8.6apg 1.0 spg .495fg .977ft 2.11 to 1.60 pf

Rondo- 11.9 ppg 5.3 rpg 8.5 apg 1.88 spg .503 fg .639 ft 2.65 to 2.49

They are pretty close in most categories and maybe a slight edge goes to Calderon, but I can only imagine that at least Calderon's FG% & APG would increase if he played with 3 HOFers.


your stats per game are better. i was using yahoo fantasy full season stats up to monday. my point was that rondo is better all around with rebounding, defense and that they were comparable, as your stats show with assists and passing. everyone says any pg could play with the big 3 but you have to make all 3 happy and spread the ball around and choose the right moments to take shots yourself. calderon has an all star and good 3 point shooters which helps in the assist category. im not saying having the big 3 hasnt helped rondo, i just think he has adapted nicely and everyones hates because he is on the celtics. i said they are both top 5 pgs in the east, then everyone started saying rondo doesnt deserve it and i have to argue with that.

Faneik
03-24-2009, 11:43 AM
1. Harris
2. Rondo
3. Miller
4. Calderon
5. Jameer Nelson

6. Mo Williams
7. Rose - in 2 years he'll be #1
8. Bibby
9. Felton
10. Ford

Faneik
03-24-2009, 11:44 AM
1. Miller (Legit PG)
2. Rondo (Legit PG)
3.
4.
5.
and beyond... NONE of them are PG's. All of them are scoring guards in PG bodies. Shoot is there really a difference btwn: Nate Robinson, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Mo Williams, Raymond Felton etc.

Calderon is a true PG.

klvanzu
03-24-2009, 04:30 PM
if you have rose over rondo your crazy
i have a better jump shot then rose

A couple recent games...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ltSuDzI4M&fmt=22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997pILS6J5c&feature=channel_page

Wow...what a terrible shooter

DeShaun Brown
03-24-2009, 07:44 PM
D-1 (Derrick Rose) is definitely a top 5 pg in the east.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvVy91kxJhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRj1Jap9YUU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjRnJXQa5po&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj9Uvsb4XRA

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/50977

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-wade-rose1224,0,3834387.story

jrilla1210
03-24-2009, 07:49 PM
You see, that's my point right there. Mo Williams is not a true PG. He is a spot up shooter, which he is great at it. I have nothing against Mo Williams but like you said, LeBron dominates the ball at all times so all Mo has to do is spot up and shoot. I was just defending Jameer when you said Mo was the best shooter b/c the stats say otherwise (they're at least comparable).

On the heart thing, you cannot say that Jameer doesn't have as much heart. Jameer has constantly been criticized throughout his career on how he is too small to be an effective player. He is had to play through all of that criticism including being benched for Arroyo last year and now he is an allstar caliber PG. I'm sure Mo has a lot of heart but you cant say Mo has more.

Being more clutch, Mo has been like you said money this year and thats great but before the injury Nelson was our clutch shooter and Mr. 4th quarter. He drained all of our big shots, just ask Lakers and Spurs fans. But for this year since Mo is not injured, I guess I can give you he is more clutch just b/c he's done it more.

Finally, this board is seriously underestimating the impact of Rondo. He is arguably the best defending PG and one of the quickest Pgs to boot. He can get wherever he wants to on the court, has great vision and can finish at the rim. He is a TRUE Pg always looking for others shots before his. If you put in Nelson, Mo Williams or Harris into the Celtic system, they wouldn't be as effective w/ them. He fits their mold perfectly. His jumpshot is still pretty bad but it seems like it is improving (don't know if it actually is). He does need to fix his free-throw shooting though. No PG should shoot in the 60% range...

I agree with you on the Rondo thing because I think Rondo defers alot to his three hall of fame teammates and if he were on a losing team or a team that needed more of a scoring punch then his scoring would go up, but no pg in the league is close to him defensivley and he creates off the dribble and thats what sets him apart from other pgs in the game. When my boy Derrick Rose gets a real head coach to teach him defensive fundamentals and his jumper gets better then he should rival CP3 for tops in the game

NYMetros
03-24-2009, 07:53 PM
no offense to the Rondo lovers, but if he was so good coming into the league.. then why his rookie year before KG and Ray Allen came, was he only averaging 6-4-4 ? in almost as many minutes as he got last year? BECAUSE RAY ALLEN AND KG ARE AWESOME... not because rondo is amazing.. if you swapped Rondo with Ramon Sessions... i swear they'd get the same numbers as each other on their respective teams... and Rondo would be struggling for the 10th seed like the bucks are now... reason being... any point guard who is fast and willing to pass first will succeed on a team with 3 proven allstars... stop bragging about how good he is... if he was THAT talented and so elite in the east... he could have put up huge numbers like Rose as rookie when he had Paul pierce on his team.. Rose has NO ALLSTARS AT ALL and still manages numbers comparable to Paul, Williams, and Wade as rookies... so stf^ and do some effing research before you hop on his C**k... and brag about it

:eyebrow:

You are aware that players do improve during their careers, right? They aren't the same player their whole life, they work on their game and get better.

And I'm not sure what numbers you are looking at. Rondo did not have the same amount of minutes his 2nd year as he did his rookie year. He played 6 minutes more. He averaged 2 assists more per game and 4 points more per game, but that is because he was more aggressive and took more shots per game, which is usually what happens once players grow and get better. It's not like his numbers took a weird spike when Ray and KG came.

Ask 20 Celtics fans, and I'm willing to bet half of them will say Rondo is the guy that makes their team go.

Looks like you're the one who needs to do your research.

JayW_1023
03-24-2009, 07:55 PM
^^^

Some people think real basketball works exactly like Fantasy basketball unfortunately...

bostncelts34
03-24-2009, 09:20 PM
lol Agreed. Without rondo, celtics=fail. Rondo makes this team go without a doubt. He gets the ball to the guys when and where they need it. He breaks down defenses and plays solid defense.

Kiss Ma Grits
03-24-2009, 09:42 PM
1. Derrick Rose
2. Mo Williams
3. Devin Harris
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Andre Miller

Devin Harris and Mo Williams are very close.

GatorKid117
03-24-2009, 09:49 PM
I agree with you on the Rondo thing because I think Rondo defers alot to his three hall of fame teammates and if he were on a losing team or a team that needed more of a scoring punch then his scoring would go up, but no pg in the league is close to him defensivley and he creates off the dribble and thats what sets him apart from other pgs in the game. When my boy Derrick Rose gets a real head coach to teach him defensive fundamentals and his jumper gets better then he should rival CP3 for tops in the game

Totally agree. Besides CP3 (not so much Kidd anymore) what other PGs this year have gotten multiple triple-doubles this year? I have no idea but I know its not many. Rondo can do it all from defense to rebounding to passing and because he doesn't play sexy enough people write him off as a bad player. Rondo is without a doubt top 5 PG in the east, where he ranks depends on what you want out of your PG. To me, he is the best pure PG in the east.

And yes, like you said Rose is going to be very special. His D needs some major work and his jumpshot will get better with time. I figure in 2 years he will be rivaling the top PGs in the league, but not yet. He's around 6-7 for me.

GatorKid117
03-24-2009, 10:01 PM
1. Miller (Legit PG)
2. Rondo (Legit PG)
3.
4.
5.
and beyond... NONE of them are PG's. All of them are scoring guards in PG bodies. Shoot is there really a difference btwn: Nate Robinson, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Mo Williams, Raymond Felton etc.

So according to you, other shoot-first PGs, especially Tony Parker should not be ranked as PGs because they don't pass first? I'm sorry but that is terrible logic. Tony Parker to me is the indisputable #3 PG in the league behind Williams/Paul and he is shoot-first. For each team, what you need out of your PG is different. If you need a shooter/slasher out of your PG than so be it, they are still Pgs.

Look at the Lakers past championships. Fisher was their PG but he was mostly a spot up shooter. He played the PG position guarded the other teams PGs, he was their PG. Who cares if they're not real Pgs? It's not a requirement to win at all.

Sportfan
03-24-2009, 10:02 PM
Harris
Nelson
Mo
Rondo
Rose