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Wrigleyboy25
03-12-2009, 11:40 AM
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Michael Cage's blog matches up the top 5 current rebounders vs. the top 5 all-time rebounders.

To check out the match ups and players, and to comment on the blog (feel free to disagree with anyone left out!), visit this link:

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/blogs/the-greatest-rebounders-12032009.html

GregOden#1
03-12-2009, 11:44 AM
I got to the part where he said "Chamberlain was facing centers that were 6'9" and stopped reading.

JordansBulls
03-12-2009, 11:56 AM
I got to the part where he said "Chamberlain was facing centers that were 6'9" and stopped reading.

Once I saw the comparison of David Lee to Bill Rusell and Troy Murphy to Bob Pettit I fell out of the chair.

bahama0811
03-12-2009, 11:59 AM
Once I saw the comparison of David Lee to Bill Rusell and Troy Murphy to Bob Pettit I fell out of the chair.

Yeah, I can't imagine ever trying to compare Troy Murphy to any of the greats.

LTS
03-12-2009, 03:33 PM
It's hard to compare from completeley differnt times

Chronz
03-12-2009, 04:22 PM
Hes only comparing their rebounding abilities

superkegger
03-12-2009, 04:27 PM
Hes only comparing their rebounding abilities

Yeah, except he's not, he never stops at comparing rebounding abilities, which is where it should have.

Don't really understand what Mr. Windex is trying to point out with this blog. Seems like he got really bored and wanted to show us he knew about basketball history.

Ni55anpat
03-12-2009, 04:36 PM
How bout Dennis Rodman?

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
03-12-2009, 04:49 PM
I didn't really understand his point here..Was he just telling us about the old players, because I am sure most of knew them. Especially considering they are "all-time" greats.

thesparky33
03-12-2009, 05:22 PM
Where's Al Jefferson and his 11.0 RPG? Which all-time great does he compare to? LOL.

Super.
03-12-2009, 06:11 PM
Bill Russel...greatest rebounder ever....who else has 40 rebounds in one game....nobody

EAGLES3658
03-12-2009, 09:24 PM
Bill Russel...greatest rebounder ever....who else has 40 rebounds in one game....nobody

:laugh2: Wilt Chamberlain...

ShakeN'Bake
03-12-2009, 09:39 PM
Wait did Michael Cage just say HE made it cool to rebound?

S.J.Basketball
03-12-2009, 10:14 PM
My dedication to rebounding paved the way for others to keep the same focus; it allowed guys like Dennis Rodman to specialize on that part of the game. However, I felt I was at least a threat on offense.

This statement annoys me for many reasons....

clehmun
03-13-2009, 12:53 AM
pretty pointless article. i thought it was about rebounding, but he kept going off in other areas.
and no offense, but he really needs to stop talking about how great he was.

superkegger
03-13-2009, 12:56 AM
Well I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought it was a pretty pointless and bad blog.

Athletes may sometimes have good insight, unfortunately for Mr. Cage, I don't think he's one of them.

Chronz
03-13-2009, 01:30 AM
Ive always wanted to debate with a former athlete, but I havent really absorbed it all in yet, maybe theres a point Im not getting

theuuord
03-13-2009, 01:31 AM
Well I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought it was a pretty pointless and bad blog.

Athletes may sometimes have good insight, unfortunately for Mr. Cage, I don't think he's one of them.

agreed.

theuuord
03-13-2009, 01:33 AM
Bill Russel...greatest rebounder ever....who else has 40 rebounds in one game....nobody

Wilt, Nate Thurmond, Jerry Lucas...

KnicksorBust
03-13-2009, 03:57 PM
i wasted legitimately 15 minutes on that blog. from reading it, reading the posts underneath it, and now commenting. and my life is somehow now worse than it was before.

VCaintdead17
03-13-2009, 04:08 PM
Pretty ridiculous comparisons. Although it is good to see Murphy get some love.

mrblisterdundee
03-14-2009, 06:55 PM
All-time Leaders:
1. Wilt Chamberlain 22.9
2. Bill Russell 22.5
3. Bob Pettit 16.2
4. Jerry Lucas 15.6
5. Nate Thurmond 15.0

Current Leaders:
1. Dwight Howard ORL 13.9
2. David Lee NYK 12.1
3. Troy Murphy IND 11.9
4. Andris Biedrins GSW 11.6
5. Tim Duncan SAS 10.7

Considering that none of the current top-5 leaders are averaging anywhere near as many rebounds as any of the top-5 all-time leaders, I don't think there's any comparison to make. Maybe Dwight Howard has the chance to get there, but probably not.

superkegger
03-14-2009, 07:47 PM
13.9 isn't close to 15? I'd say 1.1 is pretty close.

theuuord
03-14-2009, 08:16 PM
All-time Leaders:
1. Wilt Chamberlain 22.9
2. Bill Russell 22.5
3. Bob Pettit 16.2
4. Jerry Lucas 15.6
5. Nate Thurmond 15.0

Current Leaders:
1. Dwight Howard ORL 13.9
2. David Lee NYK 12.1
3. Troy Murphy IND 11.9
4. Andris Biedrins GSW 11.6
5. Tim Duncan SAS 10.7

Considering that none of the current top-5 leaders are averaging anywhere near as many rebounds as any of the top-5 all-time leaders, I don't think there's any comparison to make. Maybe Dwight Howard has the chance to get there, but probably not.

Context is everything...

GregOden#1
03-14-2009, 09:22 PM
13.9 isn't close to 15? I'd say 1.1 is pretty close.

Career rate vs. top season.

Anyway, when looking at players in the 60's you have to remember how much faster the game was. In some years (like 61-62) there were almost 50% more rebounds available. That takes Chamberlain's 27 rebounds per game down to 18 if he played on an average paced team. If he was on a fast paced team where players can get higher stats due to more possessions like the Lakers or the Warriors he could conceivably get 20+ rebounds. Still, 18+ rebounds is higher than anyone has ever gotten. It's a rebound rate of ~22 if you do some estimations. Dwight Howard's is around that, Chamberlain only gets many more rebounds because he could play 10 more minutes than Dwight can.

Cowboy Up
03-14-2009, 09:44 PM
Bill Russel...greatest rebounder ever....who else has 40 rebounds in one game....nobody

Wilt actually has the single-game record.

No top-5-rebounders list is complete without Rodman, although it makes sense to leave him off of this because there's no current player in the NBA that rebounds like him. No 6'8" player in the league could lead the NBA in rebounding, much less dominate for a several-year period like Rodman did.

GregOden#1
03-14-2009, 09:57 PM
Rodman was closer to 6'5 than he was 6'8.

Cowboy Up
03-14-2009, 10:02 PM
Rodman was closer to 6'5 than he was 6'8.

I'm not sure where you're getting that from but I won't disagree because it only helps my point.

GregOden#1
03-14-2009, 10:40 PM
I'd say somewhere between 6-6 and 6-7.

superkegger
03-14-2009, 10:45 PM
The word freak is probably the most fitting descriptor anyone has ever had.

Rodman was a physical freak, which I don't think many people realize. Phil Jackson said he was probably the most athletic player he's ever coached. It wasn't just that he could get up for the board, but that he was so much quicker on his second jump and third jump if necessary was just flat out absurd.

Then of course we know all about Rodman's othe antics.

He was a freak in every sense of the word. Possibly the most unique player the NBA has ever seen.

lakers4sho
03-14-2009, 11:47 PM
It's amazing how he jumped from being a SG/SF to a dominating C [ in terms of rebounds ] in the league.

Cowboy Up
03-15-2009, 01:20 AM
Rodman might be the best defensive player I've ever seen play, rebounding and man defending. He was incredible before he went insane.

Can't argue with 5 rings and countless rebounding titles.

lakers4sho
03-15-2009, 01:23 AM
Best defensive player is a bit of a stretch IMO.

superkegger
03-15-2009, 01:33 AM
Best defensive player is a bit of a stretch IMO.

best defensive player he's seen. I don't think there's been a better defender since Rodman. He was so versatile. He was so versatile, He could guard just about anybody. I remember him giving shaq problems at times. His and Karl Malone's battles in the finals were the best though. He could guard anyone from 3-5, and still grab 15 boards a game. unreal.

lakers4sho
03-15-2009, 01:37 AM
oops, didn't notice that :p

sdweston757
03-15-2009, 02:46 AM
Phil Jackson said he was probably the most athletic player he's ever coached.
.


he coached MJ and Kobe...


doubt rodman is anywhere close to them in term of athleticism

superkegger
03-15-2009, 03:35 AM
he coached MJ and Kobe...


doubt rodman is anywhere close to them in term of athleticism

then why would he say it?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Phil-Jackson-Rodman-is-the-greatest-athlete-I-v?urn=nba,103886

Chronz
03-15-2009, 03:49 AM
he coached MJ and Kobe...


doubt rodman is anywhere close to them in term of athleticism

He is, neither Kobe or MJ could drink and party endlessly and show no ill effects athletically the next day. Rodman was just blessed

Hustla23
03-15-2009, 11:10 AM
I find it a joke how David Lee and Troy Murphy are being seriously compared to the greatest of all time . lol

Cowboy Up
03-15-2009, 12:38 PM
Best defensive player is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Yeah. I'm only 20, so there's a limited sample size in terms of players I've seen play. It's a stretch even really saying that I understood Rodman's play because I was 9 during the 1998 finals. Looking back now I'm able to appreciate him but I didn't really understand it at the time, I thought he sucked because he was averaging about 6 points a game to MJ's 30 and Pippen's 20.

baller1532
03-15-2009, 05:46 PM
how 'bout ewing or the dream?

nalej85
03-15-2009, 09:24 PM
Bill Russel...greatest rebounder ever....who else has 40 rebounds in one game....nobody

Chamberlain had 55 rebounds

nalej85
03-15-2009, 09:26 PM
He is, neither Kobe or MJ could drink and party endlessly and show no ill effects athletically the next day. Rodman was just blessed


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap: Its True

69centers
03-16-2009, 01:02 PM
I got to the part where he said "Chamberlain was facing centers that were 6'9" and stopped reading.

What's your beef with 6'9" centers?? :cool:

Russell was 6'9" 1/2 (22.5 career RPG)
Dave Cowens 6'9" (13.6 career RPG)

I'd take either of those two on my team today.

GregOden#1
03-16-2009, 07:08 PM
What's your beef with 6'9" centers?? :cool:

Russell was 6'9" 1/2 (22.5 career RPG)
Dave Cowens 6'9" (13.6 career RPG)

I'd take either of those two on my team today.

Yeah...barefoot. Today's players are measured in shoes, Russell was a legit 6'11+

Wrigleyboy25
03-18-2009, 02:47 AM
44 replies in this thread and only 3 on the blog. awesome job guys....try and make a little more sense next time and comment on the blog you are criticizing rather than hiding in here.

superkegger
03-18-2009, 01:02 PM
So you're saying we should let Michael Cage know more directly that his blog sucked?

theuuord
03-18-2009, 02:17 PM
I'm sure Michael knows where the blog thread is and has read it. It's easier to post in here because more people view this forum repeatedly than the blogs, thus keeping a more linear discussion available.

Wrigleyboy25
03-18-2009, 04:40 PM
So you're saying we should let Michael Cage know more directly that his blog sucked?

Yes.

I'm sure Michael knows where the blog thread is and has read it. It's easier to post in here because more people view this forum repeatedly than the blogs, thus keeping a more linear discussion available.

No.