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m26555
03-04-2009, 10:53 PM
After winning AT Purdue tonight, here is what Northwestern's résumé looks like:

Record: 17-11 (8-9)

Signature wins:

at Purdue
at Michigan State
Florida State (by 14)
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Ohio State

Bad losses:

29-point loss at Wisconsin
27-point loss at Minnesota
at Iowa

Other notable games:

lost by only two vs. Purdue (first meeting)
lost by only four at Butler
lost by only one vs. Illinois
lost by only four at Penn State

Remaining games:

at Ohio State


So what do you guys think? Are the Wildcats an NCAA Tournament worthy team, or at least one that is on the bubble?

Personally, I think if they win at Ohio State on the 8th to complete the season sweep of the Buckeyes, they are in.

boeknows
03-05-2009, 04:38 AM
They have to win a couple games in the Big Ten tourney and win at Ohio State to be in IMO.

YankeePride13
03-05-2009, 09:05 AM
Man, it's tough to put a team either under .500 or at .500 from the Big Ten (which isn't exactly a powerhouse this year) into the tourney over some of these other bubble teams.

I think they need to win 2 games in the Big Ten tourney to get serious consideration.

I can't find a way to put them in over the likes of Maryland, Providence, etc.

Wake's Fastball
03-05-2009, 12:01 PM
Man, it's tough to put a team either under .500 or at .500 from the Big Ten (which isn't exactly a powerhouse this year) into the tourney over some of these other bubble teams.

I think they need to win 2 games in the Big Ten tourney to get serious consideration.

I can't find a way to put them in over the likes of Maryland, Providence, etc.

Literally exactly what I was going to say.

m26555
03-05-2009, 02:04 PM
Man, it's tough to put a team either under .500 or at .500 from the Big Ten (which isn't exactly a powerhouse this year) into the tourney over some of these other bubble teams.

I think they need to win 2 games in the Big Ten tourney to get serious consideration.

I can't find a way to put them in over the likes of Maryland, Providence, etc.
The problem I have with both Maryland and Providence is their lack of quality wins along with their bad losses.

Maryland does have that incredible comeback win over North Carolina and also victories over Michigan State, Michigan, Miami, and Virginia Tech, but they also looked AWFUL in a bunch of other games they've played. The Terps lost by 41 to Duke, 29 to Clemson, 27 against Georgetown, and 22 to Gonzaga. Plus, they fell to Morgan State.

Providence has one phenomenal win over Pittsburgh and one very good win over Syracuse, but not much else outside of that. Yes, they swept Cincinnati, but the Bearcats are just not that good (the fact that they just lost to South Florida when they absolutely HAD to win that game proves that they are not a tournament-worthy team). Now, look at some of the Friars' losses. They lost by 33 to Connecticut, 27 against West Virginia, 19 against Notre Dame, 18 to Louisville, and 16 to Baylor. On top of that, they lost to Northeastern.

Compare that to Northwestern, a team that has wins at Purdue and Michigan State plus victories over Florida State, Minnesota, Ohio State, and Wisconsin. I listed some of their close losses to good teams in my original post, as well. Yes, they have some pretty ugly losses, too, but not nearly as bad as Maryland or Providence.

I just think that if the Wildcats take out Ohio State and therefore complete the sweep of the Buckeyes, the committee has to give them a very serious look.

I'm not saying they're definitely in; I'm just saying they have a very good chance. Plus, it's not like the rest of the bubble teams are really stating their cases right now, either.

cubfan23
03-05-2009, 02:11 PM
Man, it's tough to put a team either under .500 or at .500 from the Big Ten (which isn't exactly a powerhouse this year) into the tourney over some of these other bubble teams.

I think they need to win 2 games in the Big Ten tourney to get serious consideration.

I can't find a way to put them in over the likes of Maryland, Providence, etc.

Big Ten may not have that one powerhouse but overall it is one of the best conferences out there as every team has a chance except for Indiana and sometimes Iowa.

kvrnm
03-05-2009, 07:54 PM
they are a team i would love to see get in, they play soo hard, ... i hope they can win a couple more games, and get some serious consideration

Casino
03-05-2009, 08:29 PM
A win at Ohio State coupled with 1 win in the Big Ten Tournament could get the committee to really consider them.

I'll throw another team that could be in the discussion if they beat LSU the weekend and that's Auburn. They also beat Tennessee.

shonk688
03-05-2009, 09:52 PM
They need to beat THE OSU:D then make at least a small run in the BT tournament Imo.

YankeePride13
03-06-2009, 09:40 AM
Sorry to the Northwestern fans, but that Penn State victory just really hurt NW's chances of making it.

I can't see them putting in that many Big Ten teams.

LivingThroughMe
03-06-2009, 01:13 PM
Man, it's tough to put a team either under .500 or at .500 from the Big Ten (which isn't exactly a powerhouse this year) into the tourney over some of these other bubble teams.

I think they need to win 2 games in the Big Ten tourney to get serious consideration.

I can't find a way to put them in over the likes of Maryland, Providence, etc.

I think the fact that there's so many teams in the middle of the conference standings makes the conference a pretty good one as a whole. I'm not saying they're a powerhouse (Big East and ACC are obviously), but you can't tell me there's another conference CLEARLY better than the B10 besides those. The fact is, the Big10 is pretty much stacked top to bottom and I think every team in the conference has the potential to make a splash in the tournament (sans IU and Iowa).

If Northwestern can make it to the championship game in the BTT, I will be very angry if they are not put into the NCAA tournament. They have a bunch of close losses.

YankeePride13
03-06-2009, 01:19 PM
I think the fact that there's so many teams in the middle of the conference standings makes the conference a pretty good one as a whole.

Wow that is such a flawed argument...

Take a look at the Colonial conference. They have a ton of teams in the middle of the conference standings. Does that make the Colonial a good conference?? No, it might be the worst in Division 1.

The Big Ten is filled with mediocre teams beating up on each other.

Northwestern would have to be the 8th team getting in from the Big Ten (and that doesn't even include Michigan making it over them, who has the same conference record and MUCH better wins including Duke and UCLA).

If you think the Big Ten is getting 8 teams into the dance you're smoking something very strong.

Hell if you think they're making it over Michigan you're nuts.

LivingThroughMe
03-06-2009, 01:29 PM
Wow that is such a flawed argument...

Take a look at the Colonial conference. They have a ton of teams in the middle of the conference standings. Does that make the Colonial a good conference?? No, it might be the worst in Division 1.

The Big Ten is filled with mediocre teams beating up on each other.

Northwestern would have to be the 8th team getting in from the Big Ten (and that doesn't even include Michigan making it over them, who has the same conference record and MUCH better wins including Duke and UCLA).

If you think the Big Ten is getting 8 teams into the dance you're smoking something very strong.

Hell if you think they're making it over Michigan you're nuts.

The Colonial conference doesn't have teams that have beaten (or even played) good out of conference teams. How can you tell if it's bad teams beating up bad teams or a lot of good teams beating up on each other?

boeknows
03-06-2009, 04:50 PM
Wow that is such a flawed argument...

Take a look at the Colonial conference. They have a ton of teams in the middle of the conference standings. Does that make the Colonial a good conference?? No, it might be the worst in Division 1.

The Big Ten is filled with mediocre teams beating up on each other.

Northwestern would have to be the 8th team getting in from the Big Ten (and that doesn't even include Michigan making it over them, who has the same conference record and MUCH better wins including Duke and UCLA).

If you think the Big Ten is getting 8 teams into the dance you're smoking something very strong.

Hell if you think they're making it over Michigan you're nuts.

By your reasonings then the Big East isnt a very good conference either because there are a lot of teams in the middle of the conference standings. If you like it or if you dont the Big Ten is right in the running for being the third best conference in college basketball along with the Pac 10 and the Big 12.

LivingThroughMe
03-06-2009, 07:09 PM
By your reasonings then the Big East isnt a very good conference either because there are a lot of teams in the middle of the conference standings. If you like it or if you dont the Big Ten is right in the running for being the third best conference in college basketball along with the Pac 10 and the Big 12.

Thank you. That's pretty much what I was trying to say. We will find out come tournament time though.

YankeePride13
03-06-2009, 07:25 PM
By your reasonings then the Big East isnt a very good conference either because there are a lot of teams in the middle of the conference standings. If you like it or if you dont the Big Ten is right in the running for being the third best conference in college basketball along with the Pac 10 and the Big 12.

No, I'm simply saying that a ton of teams in the middle of the conference standings is NO indication of how good/bad a conference is, as was previously argued.

And yes, they're in the hunt to be the 3rd best conference, but every sane college bkb fan in America would argue there's a very big separation between the top 2 and the others...

boeknows
03-07-2009, 02:25 AM
Nobody was saying they were the best conference or the second best. Were just saying that the Big Ten is a very good conference.

LivingThroughMe
03-07-2009, 03:01 AM
No, I'm simply saying that a ton of teams in the middle of the conference standings is NO indication of how good/bad a conference is, as was previously argued.

And yes, they're in the hunt to be the 3rd best conference, but every sane college bkb fan in America would argue there's a very big separation between the top 2 and the others...

So why did you even bother to argue with my comment? I stated that Big East and ACC were powerhouses, and that you could not CLEARLY state that B10 wasn't the third best conference.