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phlp_bj
02-14-2009, 05:02 PM
The rumors of a trade between the Spurs and Nets involving guard Vince Carter appeared to heat up on Friday night.

If New Jersey trades Carter, San Antonio is considered the front-runner to land the former All-Star.

The most recent proposal has the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter.

The Nets would immediately waive Oberto and Bowen to get themselves under the 15-man roster limit.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/carter-buzz-hea.html

GoatMilk
02-14-2009, 05:04 PM
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RocketsRule
02-14-2009, 05:04 PM
Talent wise it may be good for the Spurs. But, financially? They would have around 60 million tied up between four players.

But still...

PG: Tony Parker
SG: Manu Ginobli
SF: Vince Carter
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Kurt Thomas

Thats a very good team, IMO.

Hellcrooner
02-14-2009, 05:05 PM
And then , surprise surprise Bowen and Oberto sign back for the minimum with S.A....

Isnt it time that Stern applies a rule about this????? :8

Missing56&33
02-14-2009, 05:05 PM
i like that trade for the Spurs. If Pop is willing to trade for Vince it says a lot about what he thinks of Vince and that he feels the current roster is not enough to win the West

Gup
02-14-2009, 05:06 PM
Carter will turn them into a losing team lol

_Sn1P3r_
02-14-2009, 05:09 PM
IMO, Spurs give up a bit too much. :shrug:

phlp_bj
02-14-2009, 05:09 PM
they will probably get oberto and bowen back though

DrDEADalready
02-14-2009, 05:10 PM
If they have Vince I can see them taking it all this year. Especially if Oberto and bowen just sign back with them. Watch out Lakers. if that trade happens. that's all I can say.

Young2Kinsler
02-14-2009, 05:12 PM
I can't believe the Nets would want this package over Josh Howard. Mason has had half a season...

Young2Kinsler
02-14-2009, 05:14 PM
Mason seems like a specialist to me, not a piece to help build a team around.

Lakers4ItAll
02-14-2009, 05:15 PM
Mason is a stud and I wouldn't wanna give him up if I was the Spurs

JordansBulls
02-14-2009, 05:15 PM
That is all the Spurs need. Imagine a San Antonio vs Boston finals.

KG vs Duncan and Carter vs Pierce and Manu vs Allen.

Sport
02-14-2009, 05:16 PM
Shouldnt the Spurs be getting younger?

IversonIsKrazy
02-14-2009, 05:17 PM
i hope this doesnt happen. i dont wanna give up Roger Mason

phlp_bj
02-14-2009, 05:18 PM
roger mason<vince carter

Missing56&33
02-14-2009, 05:19 PM
That is all the Spurs need. Imagine a San Antonio vs Boston finals.

KG vs Duncan and Carter vs Pierce and Manu vs Allen.

if the spurs got carter they would actually be fun to watch. that would be a great final..... rondo vs parker

still1ballin
02-14-2009, 05:19 PM
That is all the Spurs need. Imagine a San Antonio vs Boston finals.

KG vs Duncan and Carter vs Pierce and Manu vs Allen.

Talk about boring. Sorry but it will be the Lakers in the finals.

GoatMilk
02-14-2009, 05:20 PM
i mean say what you want about age and blah blah blah, but that scares the crap out of me

Missing56&33
02-14-2009, 05:20 PM
Talk about boring. Sorry but it will be the Lakers in the finals.

the western conference finals would be great

jgonboricua
02-14-2009, 05:21 PM
george hill oberto bowen and roger mason is alot to give up for one guy...george hill is going to be the steal of the draft..bowen is an elite defender, roger mason is clutch and in the three point contest so he one of the best three point shooters in the league and oberto is a solid big man in the rotation..with all that said i still do it...vine carter is back to his old self and you could prolly signn oberto and bowen back in a month after they were waived

thephoenixson28
02-14-2009, 05:21 PM
I'm not sure but isn't the deadline coming up to sign the last free agents and if they don't they can't play in the playoffs + it takes 30 days to sign with the team that let you go. So bowen and oberto wouldn't qualify for the playoffs.

phlp_bj
02-14-2009, 05:22 PM
Spurs
PG: Tony Parker
SG: Manu Ginobili
SF: Vince Carter
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Kurt Thomas

Lakers
PG: Derek Fisher
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Lamar Odom
PF: Pau Gasol
C: Andrew Bynum

Celtics
PG: Rajon Rando
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Kevin Garnett
C: Kendrick Perkins

dre1990
02-14-2009, 05:24 PM
IMO, Spurs give up a bit too much. :shrug:

X2 Roger Mason should stay IMO

still1ballin
02-14-2009, 05:25 PM
i mean say what you want about age and blah blah blah, but that scares the crap out of me

You shouldn't be scared. Yeah it gives the Lakers more competition but with Andrew back in the playoffs, they won't beat us. We have too much depth which will lead us pass them.

Bullsfan22
02-14-2009, 05:27 PM
if this trade happens tim duncan adds another ring.

Sport
02-14-2009, 05:29 PM
You shouldn't be scared. Yeah it gives the Lakers more competition but with Andrew back in the playoffs, they won't beat us. We have too much depth which will lead us pass them.

It's one thing to have confidence, but dam Brotha.

GoatMilk
02-14-2009, 05:30 PM
oh wait I forgot, the Lakers got Adam Morrison
All is well

Ragun
02-14-2009, 05:30 PM
great trade for the spurs...reminds me of the bibby trade from last year.

hawksnation101
02-14-2009, 05:33 PM
Talent wise it may be good for the Spurs. But, financially? They would have around 60 million tied up between four players.

But still...

PG: Tony Parker
SG: Manu Ginobli
SF: Vince Carter
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Kurt Thomas

Thats a very good team, IMO.

You may be right, but thats also an aging team. Face it, VC is a shell of what he used to be. Tony parker is the only one out of the 5 guys you stated that is under thirty. Kurt thomas isnt much. Manu Ginobli is fading. And Tim Duncans game has been figured out. I dont know about this one.

still1ballin
02-14-2009, 05:34 PM
It's one thing to have confidence, but dam Brotha.

I know I know, but I honestly don't think no team in the West is a real threat to the Lakers other then the Spurs. If they do make the trade it will make it more tougher for thr Lakers but I think Lakers can still pull it out.

IndyRealist
02-14-2009, 05:35 PM
Roger Mason Jr and George Hill are going to be around in six years, Vince Carter will not. If they do the trade they make one, maybe two pushes for a championship, and then they're done for the next decade. They keep Mason and Hill, get one more young piece, they can still contend until Parker retires.

raptor fan
02-14-2009, 05:36 PM
amazing deal for the spurs, especially if they get back oberto and bowen. if i were the celtics, lakers or any other contending team, i'd definately try to persuade these players to come to my team after they get waived. oberto would be a nice fit with the lakers and i could see bowen with the big 3 in boston. however, they'd probably have to agree to come back to San Antonio after a deal is made, so idont see other teams getting the chance to sign them. Mason's value is at an alltime high; it would make sense to deal him for a piece that could land them another championship. VC is exactly the type of player they need, and San Antonio would be a perfect fit for VC.

kvrnm
02-14-2009, 05:43 PM
Carter will turn them into a losing team lol

you guys have been losers ever since he left.

GrkGawdofWalkz
02-14-2009, 05:47 PM
i like that trade for the Spurs. If Pop is willing to trade for Vince it says a lot about what he thinks of Vince and that he feels the current roster is not enough to win the West

Fundamentally bad move. Vince cannot defend. He's a jump shooter who's slowed by age. He's not someone who'd fit into our system at all. Mason has hit two big three pointers against Championship caliber teams in Boston and the Lakers. I will be disappointed if this happens. Bowen, Mason, and if Hill is included here would be a big mistake.

thedfactor
02-14-2009, 05:48 PM
And then , surprise surprise Bowen and Oberto sign back for the minimum with S.A....

Isnt it time that Stern applies a rule about this????? :8
I agree. There should be a rule in place where a team may not resign a traded player from their currrent squad the same season he is traded. It it better than the 30 day rule in place now, just keeps things honest with every team in the league.

Spurred1
02-14-2009, 05:51 PM
I don't want this deal to happen because:
1. Spurs need another decent big man to work next to Timmy. Vince isn't that.
2. We'd have to give up two major parts of the rotation in Mason and Hill. No,Mason isn't a part you build around, but he is a vital role player. His clutch shots this season have given the Spurs three wins.
3. Hill is a good rookie and something to keep for the future.
Nothing against Vince, but I don't think he is what the Spurs need. I don't give a crap about how people think he would make the Spurs exciting-I'm concerned about how he could help the Spurs win. Again, nothing against him-I don't see what we'd do with him.

QuaLiThADoN
02-14-2009, 05:54 PM
Carter will turn them into a losing team lol

lmfao im a nets fan and we will finally be able to beat the spurs after this... i liked the idea of gettin josh howard more :( o well

GrkGawdofWalkz
02-14-2009, 05:56 PM
if the spurs got carter they would actually be fun to watch. that would be a great final..... rondo vs parker

You seriously don't understand fundamental basketball. Just because you don't enjoy watching them play doesn't make them uneffective. 7 Conference Finals and 4 World Championships in 10 years. What more do you need. Carter needs more posessions now to score his 22 points now than he did a few years ago. He's slow, and is a horrible defender.

GrkGawdofWalkz
02-14-2009, 05:58 PM
lmfao im a nets fan and we will finally be able to beat the spurs after this... i liked the idea of gettin josh howard more :( o well

With what, Your team is still too raw to compete with the Spurs. Duncan > your entire 4/5's.

thedfactor
02-14-2009, 05:59 PM
Much of the focus here is on whether or not this helps the Spurs. I really do think Popovich can get Vince Carter in a defensive mindset as he does with all his players. He handled Stephen Jackson on a championship team, what says he cannot coach Carter. Spurs for the next three years would be elite with VC.

My bigger picture sees the Nets benefiting from the trade as well. They lose a player in Carter who is the last significant remains of the Jason Kidd era in Jersey. They get his long term highly steep contract out the door. They add Mason and Hill to a young nucleus of Harris, Yi, and Lopez. It's building blocks toward a brighter future in the Garden State.

QuaLiThADoN
02-14-2009, 06:01 PM
With what, Your team is still too raw to compete with the Spurs. Duncan > your entire 4/5's.

with what?? just tell spurs give carter the ball in the third in 4 th for his jumpshot show... :) lol

stevefrancis
02-14-2009, 06:02 PM
i hate these trades where the players get waived and just go back to the original teams there should be a rule that they can't go back to the team that traded them after they were waived by the team that traded for them.

QuaLiThADoN
02-14-2009, 06:02 PM
Much of the focus here is on whether or not this helps the Spurs. I really do think Popovich can get Vince Carter in a defensive mindset as he does with all his players. He handled Stephen Jackson on a championship team, what says he cannot coach Carter. Spurs for the next three years would be elite with VC.

My bigger picture sees the Nets benefiting from the trade as well. They lose a player in Carter who is the last significant remains of the Jason Kidd era in Jersey. They get his long term highly steep contract out the door. They add Mason and Hill to a young nucleus of Harris, Yi, and Lopez. It's building blocks toward a brighter future in the Garden State.

idk bout mason he scares me being the 2nd option lol

QuaLiThADoN
02-14-2009, 06:02 PM
i hate these trades where the players get waived and just go back to the original teams there should be a rule that they can't go back to the team that traded them after they were waived by the team that traded for them.

nothing pisses me off more than that it is so retarted..... i can't believe there is no rule yet

GrkGawdofWalkz
02-14-2009, 06:06 PM
with what?? just tell spurs give carter the ball in the third in 4 th for his jumpshot show... :) lol

The same reason that the Spurs have beaten the Nets what 13 straight times. The same reason we're beating better teams and have a better record. Not much more to say, I like Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson, Devin Harris, and others. But your thinking they can compete with the Spurs because of an acquisition of Carter seems a bit off.

QuaLiThADoN
02-14-2009, 06:08 PM
The same reason that the Spurs have beaten the Nets what 13 straight times. The same reason we're beating better teams and have a better record. Not much more to say, I like Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson, Devin Harris, and others. But your thinking they can compete with the Spurs because of an acquisition of Carter seems a bit off.

it was a joke lol... the nets won't win another game this season lol....

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 06:08 PM
Still not sure. Hill and Mason are pretty big pieces to our teams success. Not to mention we would have JV running the backup PG..and while he is solid, he is virtually non existant on offense.

Also as someone previously said, thats about 60 million tied into 4 players. Thats salary cap hell....

Young2Kinsler
02-14-2009, 06:09 PM
Lets just end this debate and realize if Carter for Howard happens, then both sides win. :)

thedfactor
02-14-2009, 06:10 PM
idk bout mason he scares me being the 2nd option lolI don't think Mason would be the second option. Lopez is developing much faster than most thought, myself included. He could be the next option after Harris. Yi and also a possibility because he has yet to hit his stride. I'm thinking it will take NJ some time to figure it all out, but they are going in the right direction. They have so much youth to work with in others such as Anderson, CDR, Boone, and Williams.

mrblisterdundee
02-14-2009, 06:10 PM
Despite what anybody says, Carter is still one of the best shooting guards in the league. He's a better player than Ginobili. If the Spurs make this trade, Carter keeps his ego in check, and the team sticks to the basic plan, they will have an almost unstoppable amount of depth and talent.

IndyRealist
02-14-2009, 06:10 PM
nothing pisses me off more than that it is so retarted..... i can't believe there is no rule yet

I'm pretty sure the NBA has to wait until the next collective bargaining agreement in...2011? To change the rule.

rapswin98
02-14-2009, 06:12 PM
watch out lakers?

GrkGawdofWalkz
02-14-2009, 06:13 PM
Despite what anybody says, Carter is still one of the best shooting guards in the league. He's a better player than Ginobili. If the Spurs make this trade, Carter keeps his ego in check, and the team sticks to the basic plan, they will have an almost unstoppable amount of depth and talent.

WHAT? Carter has never been able to help any team get to the Finals. He's not even proficient at spot jumpers with accuracy. Manu, is a better player coming off the bench than Carter is starting. Manu is a team player, Carter isn't.

Chronz
02-14-2009, 06:14 PM
He would guarantee the Spurs make the Finals IMO

Young2Kinsler
02-14-2009, 06:19 PM
To me, Carter isn't a fit with the Spurs, and I'm not just saying that as a Mavs fan who wants VC in Dallas.

td0tsfinest
02-14-2009, 06:22 PM
Vince on the spurs can make them the team to beat. I don't think SA would resign Bowen And Oberto again, they're not even being used. But who knows, they do need a backup guard so Bowen might resign.

JordansBulls
02-14-2009, 06:23 PM
He would guarantee the Spurs make the Finals IMO

:nod:

Missing56&33
02-14-2009, 06:23 PM
The most recent proposal has the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter.

I read a post that if BB and Oberto are waived they would be ineligible for the playoffs. If thats the case, I think it is, I would offer Finley instead of BB. Bruce would be off the table

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 06:23 PM
No way we dont re-sign Bowen. Pop is keeping him fresh for the playoffs. Oberto Im not positive.

GrkGawdofWalkz
02-14-2009, 06:24 PM
The only thing I see about Carter, is that he's a less scrubby version of Michael Finley. The only thing Michael Finley has been driving recently is a rental scooter for his aching hip.

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 06:24 PM
The most recent proposal has the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter.

I read a post that if BB and Oberto are waived they would be ineligible for the playoffs. If thats the case, I think it is, I would offer Finley instead of BB. Bruce would be off the table

Its the same situation as last year. We traded for KT on the deadline I believe, and traded away Barry, who was cut, and ended up signing with us....who was eligible for the playoffs.

BALLER R
02-14-2009, 06:28 PM
adding carter to the spurs might be be like denver adding billups...but then again he could be like detriot adding Iverson. i don't think carter is the right guy for them

Missing56&33
02-14-2009, 06:29 PM
Its the same situation as last year. We traded for KT on the deadline I believe, and traded away Barry, who was cut, and ended up signing with us....who was eligible for the playoffs.

OK I like the trade then BB and VC with manu, TD, TP, instant contenders. Pop love BB

CvilleRB28
02-14-2009, 06:29 PM
That is all the Spurs need. Imagine a San Antonio vs Boston finals.

KG vs Duncan and Carter vs Pierce and Manu vs Allen.

and Rondo VS Parker

NYMetros
02-14-2009, 06:35 PM
Not sure if I would do that trade if I was San Antonio. Roger Mason and George Hill are pretty good young players. Carter is over the hill. Do you sacrifise the future for the here and now?

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 06:39 PM
Not sure if I would do that trade if I was San Antonio. Roger Mason and George Hill are pretty good young players. Carter is over the hill. Do you sacrifise the future for the here and now?

I can see why the Spurs would do it though and would sacrifice Hill since he is just a rookie.

Spurs want to win NOW with TD in his final years..and unless we get a franchise player, we wont be contending once TD is gone.

Mason is 28, not exactly young, and has a 2 year deal with us. Hill is the one person I wouldnt want to trade.

carter15
02-14-2009, 06:43 PM
WHAT? Carter has never been able to help any team get to the Finals. He's not even proficient at spot jumpers with accuracy. Manu, is a better player coming off the bench than Carter is starting. Manu is a team player, Carter isn't.

i dont think there is one correct thing in this post lol.

ginobli never had to be the first option on a team lik VC was everywhere hes been....also vince never had anyone lik duncan

hes not proficient at spot jumpers with accuracy...i dont even no what that sentence means LOOOOOL

and how can u say vince isnt a team player...he avgs. more assists the manu and has been a leader on the nets this year helping all the young guys along.

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 06:45 PM
i dont think there is one correct thing in this post lol.

ginobli never had to be the first option on a team lik VC was everywhere hes been....also vince never had anyone lik duncan

hes not proficient at spot jumpers with accuracy...i dont even no what that sentence means LOOOOOL

and how can u say vince isnt a team player...he avgs. more assists the manu and has been a leader on the nets this year helping all the young guys along.

Means he isnt a good spot up shooter.

Manu led the Argetinian team to a gold medal in the Olympics, I think that qualifies as leading a team. Hell its arguable that Manu was the MVP in the 05 playoffs when we won the title, he was huge for us.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
02-14-2009, 06:46 PM
Why would they waive Bowen or Oberto? Thos are upgrades from some bench warmers on there team.

carter15
02-14-2009, 06:49 PM
Means he isnt a good spot up shooter.

Manu led the Argetinian team to a gold medal in the Olympics, I think that qualifies as leading a team. Hell its arguable that Manu was the MVP in the 05 playoffs when we won the title, he was huge for us.

u obviously havnt watched vince if u dont think hes a good spot up shooter...hes a very solid jump shooter especially from behind the arc..where hes shooting almost 40%......6% better then manu.

and vince led the US to the 2000 gold medal...so umm i guess those cancel out.

and manu didnt win it...and yet again he had duncan and parker...

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 06:53 PM
u obviously havnt watched vince if u dont think hes a good spot up shooter...hes a very solid jump shooter especially from behind the arc..where hes shooting almost 40%......6% better then manu.

and vince led the US to the 2000 gold medal...so umm i guess those cancel out.

and manu didnt win it...and yet again he had duncan and parker...

Did I say he was a bad spot up shooter? No, I was just trying to inform you on what the other poster was saying since you didn't know.

JJ81
02-14-2009, 06:53 PM
l m a o

lakersrock
02-14-2009, 06:57 PM
I'd welcome this trade. Vince never has played defense, if you play him physically, he's happy just jacking shots and not playing Mason is great. That dude is crazy at the end of games. I think this would hurt them more than help. BTW, why is everyone assuming this will make them better than the Lakers? The last time those two teams played, LA absolutely worked them over.

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 07:00 PM
I'd welcome this trade. Vince never has played defense, if you play him physically, he's happy just jacking shots and not playing Mason is great. That dude is crazy at the end of games. I think this would hurt them more than help. BTW, why is everyone assuming this will make them better than the Lakers? The last time those two teams played, LA absolutely worked them over.

Probably because the Lakers lost their defensive anchor, and the Spurs would add another scorer, which could hurt the Lakers since the Lakers D isnt so great.

carter15
02-14-2009, 07:03 PM
Did I say he was a bad spot up shooter? No, I was just trying to inform you on what the other poster was saying since you didn't know.

u said "hes not proficient at spot jumpers"...:confused::confused:

lakersrock
02-14-2009, 07:03 PM
Probably because the Lakers lost their defensive anchor, and the Spurs would add another scorer, which could hurt the Lakers since the Lakers D isnt so great.

That still doesn't erase how good the Lakers have played with AND WITHOUT Bynum. This trade doesn't make the Spurs better than the Cavs or Celtics and LA just beat both of them without Bynum. This is a desperation move and don't forget to add that your team would have to use Manu and Vince to guard Kobe haha...I mean let Kobe do whatever he wants to.

lorenz00
02-14-2009, 07:16 PM
it would be scary if VC goes to Spurs right?

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 07:16 PM
u said "hes not proficient at spot jumpers"...:confused::confused:

That wasnt me that said that. It was another person, and you said you didnt know what it meant. I was just letting you know what he meant.

JordansBulls
02-14-2009, 07:22 PM
That still doesn't erase how good the Lakers have played with AND WITHOUT Bynum. This trade doesn't make the Spurs better than the Cavs or Celtics and LA just beat both of them without Bynum. This is a desperation move and don't forget to add that your team would have to use Manu and Vince to guard Kobe haha...I mean let Kobe do whatever he wants to.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2008112513



Bryant had difficulty with Vince Carterís defense, going 5-for-17 from the field in 28 minutes and finishing with 12 points in the Lakersí fifth straight victory. He shot 1-for-9 in the first half and didnít get to the free-throw line until 1:11 remained in the second quarter. The last time they met, the two-time scoring champion was outscored 27-6 by Carter and shot 3-for-13 with no free-throw attempts.



Vince has been locking down Kobe the last few times. They don't need Manu on him when they have Vince on him.

Joshtd1
02-14-2009, 07:24 PM
We would be getting Bowen back too Im sure if the trade happened.

Then either way Kobe would have to guard VC or Manu at some point, wasting energy at that, and having to work on offense as well..leaving Manu or VC not wasting energy on the defensive end.

MJ-BULLS
02-14-2009, 07:24 PM
it will be a good trade for the spurs might have a chance to finish 1st. in western confrence and overtake the lakers

legendkillerv2
02-14-2009, 07:27 PM
i think the jazz could beat the Lakers in 7 if they have all there players healthy.

carter15
02-14-2009, 07:27 PM
That wasnt me that said that. It was another person, and you said you didnt know what it meant. I was just letting you know what he meant.

oo :o ...my bad.

Trouble87
02-14-2009, 07:54 PM
wow... the spurs are giving up roger mason

I dont like this for them... I see R. Mason being clutch for them for a long time to come

don't do it SA... and that bloated VC contract... not a good look at all

JabberJaw
02-14-2009, 07:54 PM
Bad move IMO. The Spurs are giving up 2 of their only young guys for VC. Vince is good, but I really don't think he makes this team that much better. Hill is a future stud, and Mason has been their big shot maker. I hope it does happen. Damn Mason has made big shots to win against the Lakers and Celtics. Get rid of him and mortgage your future, please.

Fear_GAS_OLDier
02-14-2009, 08:02 PM
Cruh hap

S2krollin
02-14-2009, 08:11 PM
Spurs should do this trade.

mgsports
02-14-2009, 09:09 PM
Hill and Mason aren't available.
You could have been there and asked Stern that today. I would have asked him when is OK City moving to the Midwest Division,New Orleans to the Southeast,Minnesota to the Central and so on.

Sports Illustrator
02-14-2009, 09:14 PM
Whatever the Spurs do, the Spurs SHOULD NOT trade Roger Mason by any means. Not even for Vince Carter. Roger Mason should be a part of the team's future, as he is a future stud.

S2krollin
02-14-2009, 09:15 PM
To bad the Heat weren't able to sign Mason during the off-season. But doesn't matter anymore now because we have Moon now.

GSW fan
02-14-2009, 09:40 PM
Mason is a cold-blooded killer from three and he is one of the most clutch players in the game. but now that i think of it, VC isnt that bad down the stretch either:eyebrow:

Sports Illustrator
02-14-2009, 09:40 PM
To bad the Heat weren't able to sign Mason during the off-season. But doesn't matter anymore now because we have Moon now.

I think he's that type of player who functions differently depending on the team he plays for. The Spurs system was a perfect fit for him though.

Young2Kinsler
02-14-2009, 10:51 PM
I think you guys are over rating Roger Mason by quite a bit. He's a spot up 3 point shooter, thats about it. He's a very glorified role player right now, if the Spurs could get Carter for him, it would be a huge steal, and a bad trade by NJ to me.(BTW Mason didn't make it out of the first rd in the 3 pt contest)

JayW_1023
02-15-2009, 12:08 AM
If this trade goes down I'm gonna be sick to my stomach. Mason is a keeper. And Bowen is still useful for stretches.

We will be giving up too much...finally we have some depth and it would be moronic to give up that chemistry for Carter.

Ughhh...

Still Parker, Manu, Carter and Timmy on one team...that's a big FOUR. It may work out for us. But I hope our defense won't suffer.

argo
02-15-2009, 12:49 AM
I can't believe the Nets would want this package over Josh Howard. Mason has had half a season...

they're probably just concerned with dumping salaries. have you seen all the empty seats at nets games?

argo
02-15-2009, 12:51 AM
To bad the Heat weren't able to sign Mason during the off-season. But doesn't matter anymore now because we have Moon now.

moon's a good shot blocker, but you'll soon see how timid he is on offense - affraid to attack the rim, settles for bad shots.

borat
02-15-2009, 12:54 AM
If this trade goes down I'm gonna be sick to my stomach. Mason is a keeper. And Bowen is still useful for stretches.

We will be giving up too much...finally we have some depth and it would be moronic to give up that chemistry for Carter.

Ughhh...

Still Parker, Manu, Carter and Timmy on one team...that's a big FOUR. It may work out for us. But I hope our defense won't suffer.

Agree with you.

As a laker fan, I'm hoping for this trade. Always hard to bring in a ego like Carter's midway through the season and also make your team have less depth.

I'm all for this trade. :D

still1ballin
02-15-2009, 01:15 AM
He would guarantee the Spurs make the Finals IMO

:laugh:

Kakaroach
02-15-2009, 05:38 AM
Bad trade with the Spurs doing so well. All Pop needs to do is rest his guys a little more and they should be fine.

JMG15
02-15-2009, 07:06 AM
Its not even just Roger Mason that San Antonio would be giving up. George Hill anybody? He does not get enough credit in San Antonio but he will turn into a stud. They should not give him up for Carter.

HoopsMachine
02-15-2009, 07:26 AM
Nets Perspective:
They get 2 solid perimeter players in Mason and Hill (young talent with good upside) who will join with Harris and Dooling to solidify their backcourt.

Spurs Perspective:
Add a high IQ player in Carter that is just as dynamic of a scorer as Parker and Ginobli.

Overall I don't really like this deal for the Spurs because they are playing well right now with this squad. Mason is thriving in his starting role and Hill is providing solid minutes off the bench. Don't forget when he filled in for a hurt Parker and his outstanding play was being mentioned with the likes of Rose, Beasley, and Mayo in the rookie race.

lakersfan211
02-15-2009, 07:35 AM
they still would be behind us ,we are a much better team then they are right now ,we still would be even if the trade does happen.

lakersfan211
02-15-2009, 07:36 AM
they still wont get past the lake show.

_Supreme_
02-15-2009, 08:43 AM
they still would be behind us ,we are a much better team then they are right now ,we still would be even if the trade does happen.

Yet I sense worry in your words :whistle:

_Supreme_
02-15-2009, 08:45 AM
To bad the Heat weren't able to sign Mason during the off-season. But doesn't matter anymore now because we have Moon now.

Cook basically does the same things Mason does.

And Moon play a different position on the court.

JJ_JKidd
02-15-2009, 09:12 AM
Nets Perspective:
They get 2 solid perimeter players in Mason and Hill (young talent with good upside) who will join with Harris and Dooling to solidify their backcourt.

Spurs Perspective:
Add a high IQ player in Carter that is just as dynamic of a scorer as Parker and Ginobli.

Overall I don't really like this deal for the Spurs because they are playing well right now with this squad. Mason is thriving in his starting role and Hill is providing solid minutes off the bench. Don't forget when he filled in for a hurt Parker and his outstanding play was being mentioned with the likes of Rose, Beasley, and Mayo in the rookie race.

:confused:

JayW_1023
02-15-2009, 09:47 AM
Manu does plenty of the things for us that Carter does, and more. And even though he struggles now and then, Manu plays hard all the time, something Vince has yet to prove in his career.

I rather trade for a player who has a specific role, like Kurt Thomas last year. Carter would so be in Pops doghouse.

eugene
02-15-2009, 10:08 AM
I feel like this trade is gonna happen...

hotdogbun
02-15-2009, 10:47 AM
If they have Vince I can see them taking it all this year. Especially if Oberto and bowen just sign back with them. Watch out Lakers. if that trade happens. that's all I can say.

lakers will still be the west's best

bynum vs. oberto
gasol vs. duncan
odom/ariza vs. VC
kobe vs. manu
fisher vs. parker (this is the only matchup that the spurs will easily win)
and the lakers bench will dominate the spurs bench

Young2Kinsler
02-15-2009, 11:38 AM
lakers will still be the west's best

bynum vs. oberto
gasol vs. duncan
odom/ariza vs. VC
kobe vs. manu
fisher vs. parker (this is the only matchup that the spurs will easily win)
and the lakers bench will dominate the spurs bench

1. Bynum is out for the year most likely.
2. Duncan OWNS Gasol
3. I'm trying to figure out why people think Manu will magically start at SG when that is Vince's position. If you trade for Carter, he will start at the 2, and the Spurs will keep their bench depth with Manu.
4. I don't think Carter fits in with the Spurs style of play.
5. I don't see Carter getting traded.

Young2Kinsler
02-15-2009, 11:46 AM
Whatever the Spurs do, the Spurs SHOULD NOT trade Roger Mason by any means. Not even for Vince Carter. Roger Mason should be a part of the team's future, as he is a future stud.

Vastly over rating Mason. A "future stud" is an insane statement. The guy will be 29 this year, he's not young at all. He's averaging 10 PPG for the first time in his career. He has mediocre shooting % at best, for this season and his career, not to mention his 3 pt % this yr is a career high, the next closest not even being 40%. Besides hitting spot up 3's he just doesn't do much else on the court, but since people have seen him hit a few big time 3's this season, they act like he is some huge trade piece. I think the Nets are flat out stupid to make this trade. Hill could turn into a solid player, Mason is a nice roll player, but to trade a guy like Vince for a backup PG and role player is silly to me.

METS4LIFE1988
02-15-2009, 12:00 PM
lakers will still be the west's best

bynum vs. oberto
gasol vs. duncan
odom/ariza vs. VC
kobe vs. manu
fisher vs. parker (this is the only matchup that the spurs will easily win)
and the lakers bench will dominate the spurs bench

Can I have a sip of your homer juice?

Bynum = out
Duncan >>>>>>>> GaSoft
VC >>>> Odom/Ariza
Kobe >>>> Manu
Parker >>>>>>>>> Fisher

MikefromMars
02-15-2009, 01:25 PM
You guys don't realize one thing.... Spurs just need to contend until 2010....

Besides Parker and Duncan (and Carter if he comes)... oh and Ian Mahinmi, The Spurs have a completely empty roster and will be one of the teams with the most cap $$$$ come the 2010 free agency.

DO NOT question the Spurs GM, RC is the best in the business PERIOD.

Do a little research before you hate. Other organizations should takes notes.

Spurs give up a guy in Mason they signed for their mid level exception and Hill, an unproven rookie.

Spurs get VC, who will be a great starter. (manu off the bench). This is an awesome pick up. VC will change his game however he needs to win a ring...oh you don't think it can work? Worked pretty well for the guys in green.

BTW Laker fans... With a healthy Manu the Spurs would have absolutely beaten the Lakers last year. The Hawks played the Celts better than that overrated team in LA.

MikefromMars
02-15-2009, 01:28 PM
This is TD's contract

Tim Duncan
08/09
$20,598,703
09/10
$22,183,218
10/11
$18,700,000
11/12
$21,300,000

The Spurs are planning for the 2010 free agency just like everyone else. The proof is right there. Don't sleep on Sa Town !

carter15
02-15-2009, 02:06 PM
This is TD's contract

Tim Duncan
08/09
$20,598,703
09/10
$22,183,218
10/11
$18,700,000
11/12
$21,300,000

The Spurs are planning for the 2010 free agency just like everyone else. The proof is right there. Don't sleep on Sa Town !

i dont c the proof...hes making 19 mill in 2010

KB24PG16
02-15-2009, 02:33 PM
how does the salary match does bowen make a lot

KB24PG16
02-15-2009, 02:38 PM
it does work http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

MikefromMars
02-15-2009, 02:42 PM
I see what u r saying bout the 19 mil.

The thing is a large majority of contracts are done either front or rear heavy. Duncan gets paid his smallest amount in the middle of his contract....specifically 2010.

Most contracts have it so players get paid more as they fulfill the contract.

Rocco007
02-15-2009, 03:01 PM
With Bynum going down, The Spurs feel there's a real chance to make a move right now..They definately need more fire power..However I think they need help upfront more than on the perimeter..

PS:The Lakers won't be denied thiw year!

Nets fan 93
02-15-2009, 03:12 PM
2 role players dont equal VC...if we wanted cap relief we woulda traded VC for wally szerbiack in june... no way this happens

JordansBulls
02-15-2009, 09:10 PM
Can I have a sip of your homer juice?

Bynum = out
Duncan >>>>>>>> GaSoft
VC >>>> Odom/Ariza
Kobe >>>> Manu
Parker >>>>>>>>> Fisher

Why do people still compare teams like this?

Kdirt
02-15-2009, 09:34 PM
:crazy::crazy:
Mason is a stud and I wouldn't wanna give him up if I was the Spurs

Kdirt
02-15-2009, 09:36 PM
lakers will still be the west's best

bynum vs. oberto
gasol vs. duncan
odom/ariza vs. VC
kobe vs. manu
fisher vs. parker (this is the only matchup that the spurs will easily win)
and the lakers bench will dominate the spurs bench

duncan is way better than gasol and vince is way better than odom

oldenpolynice
02-16-2009, 03:29 AM
Good win-now move for the Spurs. Long-term it hurts them because George Hill is going to be a good player, but for right now? It's a great move. Without Bynum, the Lakers are vulnerable and I think this move would put the Spurs over the top.

Drewlius
02-16-2009, 05:45 AM
Personally think this is a terrible move for us. Hill is going to be great, Mason is going to hit most of the shots we need him to. If this was VC back when he was a slasher and went to the hole, then of course I'd be all for it, since we haven't had a slasher in years. Carter is more of a shooter now, and can be very streaky. If we are going to take on a big contract like this, I'd much rather it be for a PF/C.

JayW_1023
02-16-2009, 07:20 AM
For an unselfish team like the Spurs adding a great role player can be just as significant as adding a star player.

Personally I don't really think Carter would make much of a difference...I consider Manu to be a much better all-round player anyway.

I would much rather trade for another athletic big who can run the floor and play help defense.

And Roger Mason is a keeper...it would be incredibly moronic to trade him while he has arguably been our most clutch player this season. I would puke if this trade would go down...

hotdogbun
02-16-2009, 07:42 AM
duncan is way better than gasol and vince is way better than odom

offensively very close but defensively duncan owns so td isnt WAY better but only better. and gasol always step up defensively against duncan

2008 playoffs
duncan guarded by gasol
duncan stats
16.3 ppg in 37% shooting.

and yeah VC is better but with tp,manu and td he wont be the main man and odom is too big for him

DitchDat
02-16-2009, 07:44 AM
Mason and Hill???

Wow Nets need to do this.

Young2Kinsler
02-16-2009, 11:03 AM
Tim Duncan recently responded to rumors that the Spurs might trade four players to New Jersey in exchange for Vince Carter. He was not at all supportive.
"No offense to Vince, obviously he's an excellent player," Duncan said. "But to give up most of our team to add one guy, I don't think that's the way you want to go." When the franchise player disapproves of a trade, you can usually bet it won't happen.

Thats from Rotoworld.com

Anyways, scratch that idea, Howard for Carter please :)

todu82
02-16-2009, 11:16 AM
Can't see the Spurs getting Vince Carter. He's a selfish player and I don't see the Spurs being the type of team for a selfish player.

LA_Raiders
02-16-2009, 11:33 AM
bad move, but oh well, we'll beat them again anyway....

Lakermania33
02-16-2009, 12:03 PM
We would be getting Bowen back too Im sure if the trade happened.

Then either way Kobe would have to guard VC or Manu at some point, wasting energy at that, and having to work on offense as well..leaving Manu or VC not wasting energy on the defensive end.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I keep hearing everyone say that the Spurs are going to get Bowen and Alberto back. If you get traded from a team and get waived by the receiving team you can't sign back with the team who traded you for 30 days right? If that is the case doing my math that would put the Spurs past the 1 March deadline for players to sign with playoff teams. If you make this trade those guys are not coming back they are going to Boston, Cleveland, NO, or maybe the Lakers. Bad trade for the Spurs. Sure you get Carter but you have no bench. Great if you make it to the Finals and play Boston (they have no bench either) but the Lakers would wear your guys down over a seven game series. I am more concerned with your team now then if you make this trade.

Fear_GAS_OLDier
02-16-2009, 12:25 PM
For an unselfish team like the Spurs adding a great role player can be just as significant as adding a star player.

Personally I don't really think Carter would make much of a difference...I consider Manu to be a much better all-round player anyway.

I would much rather trade for another athletic big who can run the floor and play help defense.

And Roger Mason is a keeper...it would be incredibly moronic to trade him while he has arguably been our most clutch player this season. I would puke if this trade would go down...

what are you smoking man, carter's a better shooter, a better slasher, a better finisher, and not a flopper and doesnt take the euro step.
vc may be long from his vinsanity air carter day's but he would beat the ***** out of manu over and over again one on one

JayW_1023
02-16-2009, 01:24 PM
what are you smoking man, carter's a better shooter, a better slasher, a better finisher, and not a flopper and doesnt take the euro step.
vc may be long from his vinsanity air carter day's but he would beat the ***** out of manu over and over again one on one

In my opinion, Manu is better...he is more efficient, better playmaker, better defender, better shooter, more creative off the dribble and much more reliable in the clutch.

Who cares about one on one...basketball is usually played 5 on 5 and Manu has been a much better team player throughout his career. If Manu had the chance to play as many minutes and get as many shots as VC, he would have similair if not better stats.

Kabowdos
02-16-2009, 01:32 PM
That is all the Spurs need. Imagine a San Antonio vs Boston finals.

KG vs Duncan and Carter vs Pierce and Manu vs Allen.

No one would like that. Only you would because you are the most biased poster on here. You loved Jordan and ride him until you can't anymore. You hate the Lakers and give no credit to them because you are jealous of KB24. Have fun watching KB24 get closer and closer to Jordans' six championships. And watch the comparisons get closer and closer.

JayW_1023
02-16-2009, 01:35 PM
No one would like that. Only you would because you are the most biased poster on here. You loved Jordan and ride him until you can't anymore. You hate the Lakers and give no credit to them because you are jealous of KB24. Have fun watching KB24 get closer and closer to Jordans' six championships. And watch the comparisons get closer and closer.

Hello... he said IMAGINE...not 'I HOPE'.... Where in his post does he state he WANTS a Spurs-Boston Finals...he was just speaking in hypothesis, MORON.

Plenty of people here have been giving the Lakers alot of credit...but for some of you Laker fans 'plenty' is never enough.

Drewlius
02-16-2009, 01:37 PM
what are you smoking man, carter's a better shooter, a better slasher, a better finisher, and not a flopper and doesnt take the euro step.
vc may be long from his vinsanity air carter day's but he would beat the ***** out of manu over and over again one on one

Manu >>> Vince. Let Manu take as many shots as Vince and there wouldn't even be an argument.

Better shooter? Not even close.

"Not a flopper"? What does this have anything to do with their games? So because Vince doesn't "flop" he has some sort of edge of Manu? Why? Because Manu gets into players heads, and gets great fouls called? He would beat Manu over and over again one on one? Good thing basketball isn't 1v1.

albertc86
02-16-2009, 01:48 PM
Mason seems like a specialist to me, not a piece to help build a team around.

Exactly. Then again, it worked with Stephen Jackson and he materialized into a good player.

carter15
02-16-2009, 03:01 PM
Manu >>> Vince. Let Manu take as many shots as Vince and there wouldn't even be an argument.

Better shooter? Not even close.
"Not a flopper"? What does this have anything to do with their games? So because Vince doesn't "flop" he has some sort of edge of Manu? Why? Because Manu gets into players heads, and gets great fouls called? He would beat Manu over and over again one on one? Good thing basketball isn't 1v1.

incorrect because manu shoots 2% better at FG...and 6 % worse at 3PT....so the points per game wud be very very close.
and how can u say vince isnt close to a good a shooter as ginobili when the % show its very close. if not vince having the edge for being able to shoot the 3 so much better.
AND...if ginobili took more shots the likelyhood of his %'s going down are much more likely then them going up.

so in conclusion AT BEST manu = vince

Rockets Fanatic
02-16-2009, 03:02 PM
can we close this thread its starting to get off topic

kingjanjic
02-16-2009, 03:10 PM
Talent wise it may be good for the Spurs. But, financially? They would have around 60 million tied up between four players.

But still...

PG: Tony Parker
SG: Manu Ginobli
SF: Vince Carter
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Kurt Thomas

Thats a very good team, IMO.

i dunno about that, carter isnt really a role player, offence runs through him, putting him on a spurs team, which already has a big 3 would just slow him down n ruin the rest of his career, it might make the spurs alot better or it could make them worst, we'll c i guess

theuuord
02-16-2009, 03:11 PM
i dunno about that, carter isnt really a role player, offence runs through him, putting him on a spurs team, which already has a big 3 would just slow him down n ruin the rest of his career, it might make the spurs alot better or it could make them worst, we'll c i guess

Actually, we probably won't see.

Joshtd1
02-16-2009, 04:05 PM
Yea I dont see this happening at all anymore

Kabowdos
02-16-2009, 11:49 PM
Hello... he said IMAGINE...not 'I HOPE'.... Where in his post does he state he WANTS a Spurs-Boston Finals...he was just speaking in hypothesis, MORON.

Plenty of people here have been giving the Lakers alot of credit...but for some of you Laker fans 'plenty' is never enough.

He is a Kobe hater. STFU you gay kid shrinking poo.

DODGERS&LAKERS
02-16-2009, 11:53 PM
^^ Better edit that my man. That is almost a for sure infraction/ban. Plus, Jayw_1023 is pretty cool. One of the very few unbiased in here. Dont want to change him now do we?