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D Roses Bulls
02-10-2009, 12:55 AM
If the lakers let Kobe opt out of his deal and let odom walk they will have 35 million in cap room and they could make a run at lebron. i know i know its still a year and a half til the 2010 season free agency, but this popped in my head while watching the lakers cavs game yesterday and i was wondering this since kobe will be going on 33 by that time. i would of put this in the lakers forum, but i was just really curious what everyone's opinion was if this would be a smart move by the lakers if they could most likely lure lebron.

what54!?
02-10-2009, 12:58 AM
Kobe is going to be a laker for life. The lakers are happy with kobe now, their going to be happy with kobe then.

D Roses Bulls
02-10-2009, 01:02 AM
well if i knew i could have lebron or a 32-33 year old kobe i would choose lebron in a heart beat.

still1ballin
02-10-2009, 01:07 AM
uh no

griffyatl
02-10-2009, 01:08 AM
LOL, thats a simple No. Get Kobe, sign Farmar to a 3 million deal which is what he's worth, get Ariza signed and then get a loan to get Labron, and put him with Kobe, and Bynum with Gasol.

JordansBulls
02-10-2009, 01:09 AM
Don't see the purpose of this thread.

Why the hell would he opt out on a team that is one of the most talented and deepest in the league and that is favorite to win it all?

ARMIN12NBA
02-10-2009, 01:17 AM
well if i knew i could have lebron or a 32-33 year old kobe i would choose lebron in a heart beat.

The Lakers can't get Lebron though...

what54!?
02-10-2009, 01:19 AM
besides what makes you think a 32-33 year old kobe can't still compete with the best of them?

leftymo
02-10-2009, 01:19 AM
If the lakers let Kobe opt out of his deal and let odom walk they will have 35 million in cap room and they could make a run at lebron. i know i know its still a year and a half til the 2010 season free agency, but this popped in my head while watching the lakers cavs game yesterday and i was wondering this since kobe will be going on 33 by that time. i would of put this in the lakers forum, but i was just really curious what everyone's opinion was if this would be a smart move by the lakers if they could most likely lure lebron.


I have a few problems with this post.

1. Where did you get the idea that the Lakers would be under the cap? Pau & Bynum are getting max type deals, not to mention Farmar who is up for an extension, and the money committed to Sasha & Luke. And of course the Vlad trade means they will keep Ariza. The Lakers are effectively going to be over the cap for quite sometime. The only way they could get lebron would be via sign & trade now.

2. Kobe is 30 right now. It's 2009. 2010 and all of a sudden he's 33? Even if I stretch it, kobe is 32 to START the 2010-2011 season. That would be the current age of who? Tim Duncan?

Lakers do understand the transition, but Kobe's time is actually just starting believe it or not. This team is built for the next 2-3 years while in Kobe's prime. Let's see how far he takes this thing before they transition to a team led by Bynum/Pau.

basketfan4life
02-10-2009, 01:22 AM
i don't think lebron wanna come to la especially if lakers wins it all one..it would be a tremendous pressure on him being the person after kobe..i think he feels like kobe is always there..

lorenz00
02-10-2009, 01:23 AM
Don't see the purpose of this thread.

Why the hell would he opt out on a team that is one of the most talented and deepest in the league and that is favorite to win it all?

long term money?:)

ARMIN12NBA
02-10-2009, 01:25 AM
This thread should be locked just based on pure ignorance of the Lakers cap situation. Even if Kobe opts out, the Lakers are still over the cap and cannot acquire Lebron.

/Thread.

ARMIN12NBA
02-10-2009, 01:26 AM
Don't see the purpose of this thread.

Why the hell would he opt out on a team that is one of the most talented and deepest in the league and that is favorite to win it all?

It's a forgone conclusion that Kobe is opting out this year. He is going to opt out, but then re-sign with the Lakers for a max deal. Hopefully he takes less money to keep the team intact.

leftymo
02-10-2009, 01:29 AM
It's a forgone conclusion that Kobe is opting out this year. He is going to opt out, but then re-sign with the Lakers for a max deal. Hopefully he takes less money to keep the team intact.


I always find it curious how so many want Kobe to take "less money" when every single person on this planet would never do that.


If he was going to take less money he wouldn't opt out.

Shaq never took less money, MJ definitely didn't take less money... neither should Kobe.


The question is whether or not Lamar will get a tremendously better offer out there than what LA offers him b/c its clear they will keep Ariza/Bryant.

Is Detroit the only real team with cap space this offseason? So many teams are trying for 2010... but 2009 might find some deals.

ARMIN12NBA
02-10-2009, 01:31 AM
I always find it curious how so many want Kobe to take "less money" when every single person on this planet would never do that.


If he was going to take less money he wouldn't opt out.

Shaq never took less money, MJ definitely didn't take less money... neither should Kobe.


The question is whether or not Lamar will get a tremendously better offer out there than what LA offers him b/c its clear they will keep Ariza/Bryant.

Is Detroit the only real team with cap space this offseason? So many teams are trying for 2010... but 2009 might find some deals.

Hey man, I'm not saying I would take less money (although I would be perfectly content with 18 mill a year opposed to 20); I am simply hoping that Kobe would take less money if (big if) the Lakers decide that they are only going to re-sign one of the two players in Ariza and Odom.

ARMIN12NBA
02-10-2009, 01:32 AM
I always find it curious how so many want Kobe to take "less money" when every single person on this planet would never do that.


If he was going to take less money he wouldn't opt out.

Shaq never took less money, MJ definitely didn't take less money... neither should Kobe.


The question is whether or not Lamar will get a tremendously better offer out there than what LA offers him b/c its clear they will keep Ariza/Bryant.

Is Detroit the only real team with cap space this offseason? So many teams are trying for 2010... but 2009 might find some deals.

The Blazers and Grizzlies have a lot of cap-room. I think the Thunder have cap-room as well.

carlo4444
02-10-2009, 01:39 AM
lol how many ppl ripping into you on this thread

D Roses Bulls
02-10-2009, 01:43 AM
Don't see the purpose of this thread.

Why the hell would he opt out on a team that is one of the most talented and deepest in the league and that is favorite to win it all?

its just a hypothetical question..... its not suppose to be read into that much.

JRisdabest
02-10-2009, 01:44 AM
kobe will opt out

D Roses Bulls
02-10-2009, 01:48 AM
I have a few problems with this post.

1. Where did you get the idea that the Lakers would be under the cap? Pau & Bynum are getting max type deals, not to mention Farmar who is up for an extension, and the money committed to Sasha & Luke. And of course the Vlad trade means they will keep Ariza. The Lakers are effectively going to be over the cap for quite sometime. The only way they could get lebron would be via sign & trade now.

2. Kobe is 30 right now. It's 2009. 2010 and all of a sudden he's 33? Even if I stretch it, kobe is 32 to START the 2010-2011 season. That would be the current age of who? Tim Duncan?

Lakers do understand the transition, but Kobe's time is actually just starting believe it or not. This team is built for the next 2-3 years while in Kobe's prime. Let's see how far he takes this thing before they transition to a team led by Bynum/Pau.

because after the cavs game i read a mail bad chat of sam smiths and someone had mentioned the lakers being 35 million under the cap if odom and kobe opt out. thats where i got that idea.

second i said 32 or 33 and i thought my guy told me he was gonna be 31 in a couple months so by then he would be 33, but he could of been wrong and thats why i said 32 or 33.

like i said 2 times already this is a hypothetical idea. dont worry laker fans he's probably not going anywhere, lol

albertc86
02-10-2009, 02:59 AM
Kobe had 33 would still be a top 3 SG in the league. His basketball IQ is unrivaled in the game right now.

Lakers09
02-10-2009, 03:20 AM
David stern would not be down it would make the nba chaos

Hellcrooner
02-10-2009, 03:54 AM
No, if Kobe opts out and odom walks the substract 35 millions from their current numbers, and since they ar WAYYYY over the cap and Paus and Bynums contracts are BIG they would hae jsut like 6 million to offer in 2010.

2010 is not an option for lakers right now and should not be, why let walk Kobe and become a fringe playoff team waiting for "god" to come to save you, wich it may or may not become true, and yet Lebron still has to prove he ca dominate on the long term and play good when he ages ( wich i really doubt since he is all about phisical).

The only thing that should be done is talk to kobe about if he would be receptive to opt out and then resign with a much lesser contract like 5 year 30 million or something like that, in order that Pau does the same in 2011 and they can go into the BIG FA MARKET of 2011 wich no one talks about but is almost as big as 2010, and could be BIGGER if some of the guys on the 2010 decide to take their player options and wait to 2011 or some of the 2012 fa class takes their early terminatin options.

LakerzDQ
02-10-2009, 04:07 AM
no, I would have Kobe re-sign as a Laker.

it's just a thing of loyalty. Kobe has been a Laker for 12 years, he'll stay a Laker for the rest of his career.

Roy31
02-10-2009, 04:10 AM
Let Kobe play where he wants.

lakers4sho
02-10-2009, 10:51 AM
well if i knew i could have lebron or a 32-33 year old kobe i would choose lebron in a heart beat.

Even without Kobe and Pau's contracts the Lakers are still going to be over the cap.

DrDEADalready
02-10-2009, 12:03 PM
If Lakers didn't have Kobe they'd be bottom feeding at the bottom of the NBA for the 1 draft pick. that's how bad they'd suck.

JordansBulls
02-10-2009, 12:12 PM
I always find it curious how so many want Kobe to take "less money" when every single person on this planet would never do that.


If he was going to take less money he wouldn't opt out.

Shaq never took less money, MJ definitely didn't take less money... neither should Kobe.


The question is whether or not Lamar will get a tremendously better offer out there than what LA offers him b/c its clear they will keep Ariza/Bryant.

Is Detroit the only real team with cap space this offseason? So many teams are trying for 2010... but 2009 might find some deals.

How exactly didn't MJ take less money?

When he came into the league he had a seven-year deal and averaged about $850,000 a year.

It was only in 1997 and 1998 after he had won 4 titles along with 4 finals mvp's and 4 league mvp's that he asked for $30 million because of him being severely underpaid his entire career.

You are acting as if he was making 18-20 million yearly or something.

Gibby23
02-10-2009, 12:17 PM
How exactly didn't MJ take less money?

When he came into the league he had a seven-year deal and averaged about $850,000 a year.
It was only in 1997 and 1998 after he had won 4 titles along with 4 finals mvp's and 4 league mvp's that he asked for $30 million because of him being severely underpaid his entire career.

You are acting as if he was making 18-20 million yearly or something.

He was under contract, so why would they pay him more, he had no leverage. When he it free agencey he got paid because he had leverage. Pretty simple. He didn't take a pay cut, he had a contract and was looking to make more money when his contract was up.

JordansBulls
02-10-2009, 12:22 PM
He was under contract, so why would they pay him more, he had no leverage. When he it free agencey he got paid because he had leverage. Pretty simple. He didn't take a pay cut, he had a contract and was looking to make more money when his contract was up.

And once his contract was up in 1991 this is what he made

1984-85 Chicago Bulls NBA $550,000
1985-86 Chicago Bulls NBA $630,000
1986-87 Chicago Bulls NBA *$737,500
1987-88 Chicago Bulls NBA $845,000
1988-89 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,000,000
1989-90 Chicago Bulls NBA *$2,250,000
1990-91 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,500,000
1991-92 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,250,000
1992-93 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000
1993-94 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000
1994-95 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000
1995-96 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000
1996-97 Chicago Bulls NBA $30,140,000
1997-98 Chicago Bulls NBA $33,140,000

Gibby23
02-10-2009, 12:29 PM
And once his contract was up in 1991 this is what he made

1984-85 Chicago Bulls NBA $550,000
1985-86 Chicago Bulls NBA $630,000
1986-87 Chicago Bulls NBA *$737,500
1987-88 Chicago Bulls NBA $845,000
1988-89 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,000,000
1989-90 Chicago Bulls NBA *$2,250,000
1990-91 Chicago Bulls NBA $2,500,000
1991-92 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,250,000
1992-93 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000
1993-94 Chicago Bulls NBA $4,000,000
1994-95 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000
1995-96 Chicago Bulls NBA $3,850,000
1996-97 Chicago Bulls NBA $30,140,000
1997-98 Chicago Bulls NBA $33,140,000


That is how the market was back then for player salaries. Magic was making $2,400,000 in 1991. Bird was making $1,500,000 in 1991. Jordan got payed like one of the best players. Salaries didn't really start to jump up until the late 90's when Jordan got his 30 million. I really don't know what you are arguing. Jordan got paid like a superstar during his time.

Wilson
02-10-2009, 12:39 PM
LeBron wouldn't fit with us like Kobe does though. On paper, LeBron and Kobe are the two best perimeter players, whilst LeBron is a lot younger.

However, on the court, Kobe plays away from the basket quite a lot, with Pau Gasol and Andrew Bybum under the basket.

LeBron drives and drives and drives. With out team, there just wouldn't be enough room down there.

Plus, it's really not worth screwing up the chemistry. Kobe is a great first option for us for now, and when he begins to age, 'Drew should be ready to become the go-to guy. We'll have Pau as well, who can continue to be a great second/third option.

nigerianking
02-10-2009, 12:40 PM
back to the point...this is another dumb Kobe hating thread...we just watched LBJ choke this weekend to Kobe's team and now someone thinks Lakers should let Kobe walk? Really??

nigerianking
02-10-2009, 12:41 PM
LeBron wouldn't fit with us like Kobe does though. On paper, LeBron and Kobe are the two best perimeter players, whilst LeBron is a lot younger.

However, on the court, Kobe plays away from the basket quite a lot, with Pau Gasol and Andrew Bybum under the basket.

LeBron drives and drives and drives. With out team, there just wouldn't be enough room down there.

Plus, it's really not worth screwing up the chemistry. Kobe is a great first option for us for now, and when he begins to age, 'Drew should be ready to become the go-to guy. We'll have Pau as well, who can continue to be a great second/third option.

exactly...Bron cant play in the triangle

Wilson
02-10-2009, 12:51 PM
back to the point...this is another dumb Kobe hating thread...we just watched LBJ choke this weekend to Kobe's team and now someone thinks Lakers should let Kobe walk? Really??

I've not read through the whole thread, but reading the OP, it didn't seem like any type of baiting.


exactly...Bron cant play in the triangle

I think he could play in it, just not with Bynum and Pau.

QUICKTRADE
02-10-2009, 01:09 PM
farmar is worth 2 million or max 3 milion thats it so no worries for him. dont worry ,uch on kb bec. tomorrow will have another challenge so face what we have now

Missing56&33
02-10-2009, 01:43 PM
boy i am so glad I grew up watching old school basketball. When you had a franchise player you do whatever to keep him. its always about winning but you have to show some sense of commitment to the players that make the franchise better. Why would anybody even think about trading or not signing a guy like Kobe? That person is sick in the head

Kobe is a franchise player, he should be a Laker for life

mrblisterdundee
02-10-2009, 01:45 PM
You should never let your best player opt out if you can still get something for them. LeBron in Los Angeles is unrealistic, so the Lakers should focus on keeping or trading the second best player in the NBA (Kobe).

lakersrock
02-10-2009, 01:51 PM
Would you leave 25M on the table while being on the best team in the league? I didn't think so. That said, he's in his prime for a few more years and has a great chance to top Jordan's 6 rings. After that, they have a young PG, a young SG, two young SF, a 31ish PF and a young C. The Lakers are gonna be tough to beat well after Kobe hangs it up.

ARMIN12NBA
02-10-2009, 02:02 PM
You should never let your best player opt out if you can still get something for them. LeBron in Los Angeles is unrealistic, so the Lakers should focus on keeping the best player in the NBA (Kobe).

Fixed.

JordansBulls
02-10-2009, 02:10 PM
You should never let your best player opt out if you can still get something for them. LeBron in Los Angeles is unrealistic, so the Lakers should focus on trading for the best player in the NBA (Duncan).

Fixed

showtym24
02-10-2009, 02:21 PM
Never kobe's a laker for life and then we'll be going for our repeat then threepeat.

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 02:24 PM
when has the salary cap ever been a concern of the lakers? They don't care, they will and can spend the money, they make it right back in merchandise and games.

showtym24
02-10-2009, 02:24 PM
Fixed

KOBE> lebron and MJ

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 02:29 PM
KOBE> lebron and MJ

haha, we have a comedian everyone

Wilson
02-10-2009, 02:31 PM
Kobe vs LeBron vs Jordan.

These are always fun :)

showtym24
02-10-2009, 02:34 PM
haha, we have a comedian everyone

Just added MJ to piss him off he hates the lakers

Hellcrooner
02-10-2009, 02:34 PM
If Lakers didn't have Kobe they'd be bottom feeding at the bottom of the NBA for the 1 draft pick. that's how bad they'd suck.


Delusional,if Pau could get 50 wins with White Chocolate , Shane battier and Stromille swift he could get them too with fisher, odom and Bynum.

4-8 seed.

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 02:37 PM
Just added MJ to piss him off he hates the lakers

gotcha. I will listen to the LeBron vs Kobe debate all day long, both sides have points, but MJ is untouchable in my book.

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 02:39 PM
Delusional,if Pau could get 50 wins with White Chocolate , Shane battier and Stromille swift he could get them too with fisher, odom and Bynum.

4-8 seed.

and, oh, I don't know, but they may find a way to spend that $21.2 million to get a decent player or two

showtym24
02-10-2009, 02:39 PM
gotcha. I will listen to the LeBron vs Kobe debate all day long, both sides have points, but MJ is untouchable in my book.

Lebron cant touch KOBE ever. And when kobe hangs em up we'll then compare him and MJ

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 02:42 PM
Lebron cant touch KOBE ever. And when kobe hangs em up we'll then compare him and MJ

now you sound like the biased, blind Laker fan. C'mon dude. LeBron is 24, barely, and is already considered the best in the NBA by many. MJ is untouchable. Kobe will need to win 3-4 rings at least as the best player on his own team to even enter the poor man's MJ comparison in my book, his 3 came as second banana. I don't feel like getting into this debate, it is pointless.

Living Legend
02-10-2009, 02:43 PM
I love the Lakers.

I like Kobe.

But if I had to choose between em, I would choose LeBron.

That dude is a freak of nature athletically and he has serious game.

He is also way younger.

Kobe is a nice 2nd option though :)

ARMIN12NBA
02-10-2009, 02:44 PM
KOBE> lebron and MJ

Mike James>Sasha Vujacic>Michael Jordan>Kobe Bryant>Lebrick James

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 02:46 PM
Mike James>Sasha Vujacic>Michael Jordan>Kobe Bryant>Lebrick James

now that is a great basketball equation. God, Sasha makes me so angry when he comes in, I have to turn the channel. I swear I miss most Laker games simply because I can't tolerate him

what54!?
02-10-2009, 02:46 PM
I love the Lakers.

I like Kobe.

But if I had to choose between em, I would choose LeBron.

That dude is a freak of nature athletically and he has serious game.

He is also way younger.

Kobe is a nice 2nd option though :)
no offense but kobe is a way better first option right now than lebron is

showtym24
02-10-2009, 02:47 PM
now you sound like the biased, blind Laker fan. C'mon dude. LeBron is 24, barely, and is already considered the best in the NBA by many. MJ is untouchable. Kobe will need to win 3-4 rings at least as the best player on his own team to even enter the poor man's MJ comparison in my book, his 3 came as second banana. I don't feel like getting into this debate, it is pointless.

I dont want to argue kobes gonna get his before he's done. And the competition MJ went against isnt as good todays. Just my opinion.

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 02:49 PM
I dont want to argue kobes gonna get his before he's done. And the competition MJ went against isnt as good todays. Just my opinion.

haha, okay

ARMIN12NBA
02-10-2009, 02:51 PM
now that is a great basketball equation. God, Sasha makes me so angry when he comes in, I have to turn the channel. I swear I miss most Laker games simply because I can't tolerate him

C'mon man. You gotta love the Machine! :p

hotpotato1092
02-10-2009, 02:55 PM
Do you have any idea what the public backlash would be if Kobe walked? The Busses would be banished to Mexico. They couldn't announce they want LeBron because that's tampering. Why break up a team that good? Especially when LeBron doesn't have the LA connection like he has the NY connection, there are really only two teams that he wants to play for.

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 02:56 PM
C'mon man. You gotta love the Machine! :p

I think my blood pressure just went up. I don't know what it is. Maybe the constant look in his face, where his eyes may explode out of his cause he can't believe he didn't get the call, or him tucking in his hair every 3 seconds, or his phantom charges he attempts to take. I don't know, I just hate him.

lakerboy
02-10-2009, 03:01 PM
Dude a lot of the people here have serious addiction to "team rebuilding".

You rebuild to become a championship team. Now we're already a championship team. Why the hell do we need to rebuild?!

showtym24
02-10-2009, 03:05 PM
haha, okay

All the teams MJ beat in the finals. kareemless lakers with magic and worthy past there prime, blazers, pheonix, sonics and jazz. Not one of them would beat the 04 pistons or last years C's.

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 03:11 PM
All the teams MJ beat in the finals. kareemless lakers with magic and worthy past there prime, blazers, pheonix, sonics and jazz. Not one of them would beat the 04 pistons or last years C's.

wow dude. Just wow. How old are you? Just curious

Gibby23
02-10-2009, 03:15 PM
All the teams MJ beat in the finals. kareemless lakers with magic and worthy past there prime, blazers, pheonix, sonics and jazz. Not one of them would beat the 04 pistons or last years C's.

Worthy was about 30 years old and Magic was 31.

Living Legend
02-10-2009, 03:30 PM
no offense but kobe is a way better first option right now than lebron is

I agree that Kobe is better right now, but barely.

But in 2010 the situation will be a little different.

In 2015 the situation will be WAY different. By that time Kobe will be retiring and LeBron will be in his prime.

LeBron is the better player to have long term, no doubt about it.

Hellcrooner
02-10-2009, 03:32 PM
worhty was injured.

But i guarantee you even with that Magic, Scott, Worthy, Ac Green, Perkins, Teagle, Campbell and Divac woudl still eb enought to beat 04 celtics and 08 Celtics.

and of course, Porter, Drexler, Robinson, Buck williams woud TORCH THEM

so would Brkley, Ainge, MAjerle and Co.

Jazz.... im not so sure....

Hellcrooner
02-10-2009, 03:33 PM
04pistons

GHOSTSNIPER
02-10-2009, 03:34 PM
Kobe doesn't play less so he's not going to take less.

cambovenzi
02-10-2009, 03:37 PM
Dude a lot of the people here have serious addiction to "team rebuilding".

You rebuild to become a championship team. Now we're already a championship team. Why the hell do we need to rebuild?!

great point.
lakers have no reason to get rid of kobe or rebuild.
people just like to dream about them losing their players.

showtym24
02-10-2009, 04:01 PM
Worthy was about 30 years old and Magic was 31.

worthy was hurt and past his prime dude magic was still good. I could see them beating the Cs and pistons. But all the other teams no just my opinion though.

showtym24
02-10-2009, 04:03 PM
wow dude. Just wow. How old are you? Just curious

20. Just my opinion though dont get all bent out of shape over it.:cool:

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 04:18 PM
20. Just my opinion though dont get all bent out of shape over it.:cool:

never do brother. But no offense, you were a tiny kid when MJ played, you most likely didn't understand what you were watching like you do now, or like you will in 10 years. I can't educationally speak about anything before around 1986 basketball wise since I am 33. And even then, I was pretty young to understand what I was watching

showtym24
02-10-2009, 04:25 PM
never do brother. But no offense, you were a tiny kid when MJ played, you most likely didn't understand what you were watching like you do now, or like you will in 10 years. I can't educationally speak about anything before around 1986 basketball wise since I am 33. And even then, I was pretty young to understand what I was watching

Alright man it's cool. All i want to say is kobe still has a alot of good basketball in him and it's not fair to compare him to MJ right now, wait till he's done.

Hawkeye15
02-10-2009, 04:28 PM
Alright man it's cool. All i want to say is kobe still has a alot of good basketball in him and it's not fair to compare him to MJ right now, wait till he's done.

I will end it with this, he better get a lot better if he is to enter that comparison, which is something most 30+ year olds don't do. But yes, I would agree, all comparisons should come when he is done, then maybe people will stop comparing him to the next MJ, and start comparing him to the first Kobe, and get over trying to look for the next MJ.

Wilson
02-10-2009, 04:34 PM
I love the Lakers.

I like Kobe.

But if I had to choose between em, I would choose LeBron.

That dude is a freak of nature athletically and he has serious game.

He is also way younger.

Kobe is a nice 2nd option though :)

If you're starting a team, then LeBron is definately the better option. Like you said, he's still very young, and his game hasn't fully matured yet. Can you image how dominate he's going to be when it does? :speechless:

I will say that Kobe is a better fit with this Laker team though. With Pau and Bynum down low, I just think there wouldn't be enough room for LeBron's drives.


now that is a great basketball equation. God, Sasha makes me so angry when he comes in, I have to turn the channel. I swear I miss most Laker games simply because I can't tolerate him

:p

You've got to love Sasha...:laugh2:

KB24PG16
02-10-2009, 07:27 PM
i would let em opt if he got paid less money and let the lakers sign ariza and odom

Crooks&Castles
02-10-2009, 07:47 PM
which laker fan would want Kobe to opt out.....

Lost Art
02-10-2009, 07:48 PM
With the Lakers current composition they could easily be the favorites to win the title for the next 5 years or so........I don't see why Kobe, or the Lakers, would risk that to make a run at Lebron???

skinsfan4life80
02-10-2009, 08:12 PM
thats a simple answer. No

Greaser1
02-10-2009, 08:45 PM
If Lakers didn't have Kobe they'd be bottom feeding at the bottom of the NBA for the 1 draft pick. that's how bad they'd suck.

Sadly though they would still be 5 games in front of the Jizz.:sigh:

TheShock45
02-10-2009, 09:07 PM
IF the lakers AND kobe were smart they would let him opt out and then restructure his contract soo he's making a few million over like the next 20 years and they would have enough money left over to sign one of the big freeagents in the 2010 offseason and then i dont know about you but im pretty sure the lakers dynasty would be back in full effect

Wilson
02-11-2009, 05:53 AM
which laker fan would want Kobe to opt out.....

If he opts out it doesn't mean he's leaving. There's a good chance that he does it just to re-sign a long term deal.


IF the lakers AND kobe were smart they would let him opt out and then restructure his contract soo he's making a few million over like the next 20 years and they would have enough money left over to sign one of the big freeagents in the 2010 offseason and then i dont know about you but im pretty sure the lakers dynasty would be back in full effect

Kobe taking less money wouldn't necessarily put us under the cap. We're still going to be paying Pau and Andrew a lot, with extentions on the way for Lamar, Ariza and Jordan Farmar.

Plus, we don't want a big time free agent. People don't realize that putting the flashiest five guys you can find on the court together doesn't equal wins. Any moves we make in 2010 will just be to add depth. We may be looking for a new PG since Fisher might have retired by then.

JJ81
02-11-2009, 01:10 PM
Kobe will be a Laker for life and Lamar Odom will be re-signed this summer

MJ-BULLS
02-11-2009, 01:18 PM
ill think that he going to be with the laker for the rest of his career

shortlunatic
02-11-2009, 05:58 PM
Would you leave 25M on the table while being on the best team in the league? I didn't think so. That said, he's in his prime for a few more years and has a great chance to top Jordan's 6 rings. After that, they have a young PG, a young SG, two young SF, a 31ish PF and a young C. The Lakers are gonna be tough to beat well after Kobe hangs it up.


I laugh at you... Theres no way kobe can top michaels six some other team will come along by then

Torque
02-11-2009, 06:02 PM
This is simple, NO! Kobe's heart is in LA he's gonna retire a Laker. Plus why would we make a run at LeBron if we are the favorites to win the title in the next couple of years.

shortlunatic
02-11-2009, 06:05 PM
I dont want to argue kobes gonna get his before he's done. And the competition MJ went against isnt as good todays. Just my opinion.


Wow you are sad and ignorant. The nba today is full of a bunch of cry babies who pout when they dont get their little girlie fouls when someone taps them on the wrist. Kobe is nothing to MJ, he has 1 mvp and three championships. If the fouls they call today were called then, MJ would have a much higher scoring average from all the and ones he would have goten

Skin&Bones
02-11-2009, 06:17 PM
If the lakers let Kobe opt out of his deal and let odom walk they will have 35 million in cap room and they could make a run at lebron. i know i know its still a year and a half til the 2010 season free agency, but this popped in my head while watching the lakers cavs game yesterday and i was wondering this since kobe will be going on 33 by that time. i would of put this in the lakers forum, but i was just really curious what everyone's opinion was if this would be a smart move by the lakers if they could most likely lure lebron.

Um... No.... Fail...

Fireworld
02-11-2009, 06:39 PM
Very slim chance.

ShaunRiching9
02-11-2009, 06:42 PM
umm HELL NO who in the world would let the best player in teh nba opt out well 2nd best IMO

MickeyMgl
02-11-2009, 06:43 PM
If the lakers let Kobe opt out of his deal and let odom walk they will have 35 million in cap room and they could make a run at lebron. i know i know its still a year and a half til the 2010 season free agency, but this popped in my head while watching the lakers cavs game yesterday and i was wondering this since kobe will be going on 33 by that time. i would of put this in the lakers forum, but i was just really curious what everyone's opinion was if this would be a smart move by the lakers if they could most likely lure lebron.

Item 1:
The Lakers can't "let" or "not let" Kobe opt out. He either opts out or he doesn't, but the decision has nothing to do with the Lakers.

Item 2:
If he did choose to opt out, why on this great green earth would the Lakers let him go and give up on the the biggest ticket-selling, merchandise-moving, TV-ratings-boosting asset in the league, which is to say nothing of everything he does for them on the court?

MickeyMgl
02-11-2009, 06:54 PM
I always find it curious how so many want Kobe to take "less money" when every single person on this planet would never do that.


If he was going to take less money he wouldn't opt out.

Exactly. He won't demand more. He won't settle for less. He just won't opt out.



Shaq never took less money, MJ definitely didn't take less money... neither should Kobe.

Exactly. If anybody could demand the moon right now, it's Kobe Bryant. However, he lives in the same economy we do, and if his financial adviser is worth his paycheck, he'll advise him to stick with this contract for the next two years.



The question is whether or not Lamar will get a tremendously better offer out there than what LA offers him b/c its clear they will keep Ariza/Bryant.

I don't think there's any question that Odom could get more money elsewhere than what the Lakers could offer him. Hopefully for the Lakers, they can get their bid close enough to make it worth it for Lamar to stay, even if he has to accept a cut in pay.