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G-Funk
02-09-2009, 12:44 AM
I keep hearing how Lebron and others are better than Kobe because they generate more assist. I want to show you guys that the triangle offense does not run through just one player. It's not a offense where you rely on your best player to create for other teamates. Maybe if you understand how the Triple-Post(Triangle) offense really works you would see that Kobe can't can get a lot of assist because it disrupts the offense.



Technique:The offense starts when passes to the wing and cuts to the strong-side corner. The triangle is created from a post player on the strong-side block, the strong-side corner, and the extended strong-side wing, who gains possession on the first pass. The desired initial option in the offense is to pass to the strong-side post player on the block in good scoring position. From there the player has the options of looking to score or pass to one of the perimeter players whom are exchanging from strong-side corner and wing, a dive cut down the lane, or the opposite wing flashing to the top of the key which initiates another common option known as the "pinch post".

If a pass to the block is not possible, the second option is either to pass to the weak-side guard who flashes top of the key from the weak-side wing position or passing to the strong-side corner. If the ball is passed to the corner the options are either shoot, pass to the strong-side block, or pick and pop with the wing. If it is passed to the weak-side guard it initiates the "pinch post" option. There are two options. The first and most common is to pass to the weak-side forward who flashes to the elbow (corner of the key at the free throw line) to receive the pass. When he does the options are a rub handoff, back door cut by guard without the ball, post up of the guard on a smaller player, or face up and attack. The second option is a pick and roll with the forward. The advantage to the first option is there are so many weapons to attack the defense it opens up a lot of freedom and ability to score effectively. The advantage on the second option is that the player who has the ball and uses the screen now has the entire side of the floor to work with to go one on one. Meanwhile, on the other side, the wing sets a screen for the corner guard on the triangle split. If the hand-off is not available, the forward or the guard can pass to the corner guard coming off the screen. If the defense overplays or expects the split, both the wing and the corner guard can back cut to the basket. During all of this time the original strong-side block player is able to establish position for an easy shot while the defender is lured by all of the movement and cutting by the other players.

If the strong-side wing-to-guard pass is not possible, the third option is for the weak-side forward to flash to the strong-side elbow, take the pass, and cut to the basket on the trademark backdoor play of the offense. Meanwhile, the wing and corner guard exchange on a down screen. The forward with the ball can pass to the cutting guard or to the corner guard coming off the wing's screen. If nothing's available, he can shoot the basketball himself.

The offense also has a variety of options if there's heavy pressure from the defense. If the initial wing-pass by the guard isn't available, the triangle can be created on the other side by passing to the other guard, who then passes to the weak-side forward (who then becomes the strong-side wing). The guard, who initially had the ball, then cuts to the other corner. The center or the pressured wing can flash to the opposite post. If the guard-to-guard pass is not available, the weak-side forward can make a similar flash cut that was mentioned earlier. That also creates many cutting opportunities. If there is heavy pressure on everybody, the center can release the pressure by cutting to the high post for a pass by the ballhandling guard. That would also create space for possible cuts.


This Video also shows you how the triangle offense needs to run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdKQXJySuZw

KB24PG16
02-09-2009, 12:56 AM
its to rest

lakersrock
02-09-2009, 12:58 AM
...but LeBron gets more APG, he has to be better. It doesn't matter that he's the PG on that team and Kobe isn't. He gets more and that's that. :rolleyes:

IRUAM #21
02-09-2009, 01:00 AM
He cant get an assist he's a ballhog :rolleyes:

Torque
02-09-2009, 01:08 AM
I keep hearing how Lebron and others are better than Kobe because they generate more assist. I want to show you guys that the triangle offense does not run through just one player. It's not a offense where you rely on your best player to create for other teamates. Maybe if you understand how the Triple-Post(Triangle) offense really works you would see that Kobe can't can get a lot of assist because it disrupts the offense.



Technique:The offense starts when passes to the wing and cuts to the strong-side corner. The triangle is created from a post player on the strong-side block, the strong-side corner, and the extended strong-side wing, who gains possession on the first pass. The desired initial option in the offense is to pass to the strong-side post player on the block in good scoring position. From there the player has the options of looking to score or pass to one of the perimeter players whom are exchanging from strong-side corner and wing, a dive cut down the lane, or the opposite wing flashing to the top of the key which initiates another common option known as the "pinch post".

If a pass to the block is not possible, the second option is either to pass to the weak-side guard who flashes top of the key from the weak-side wing position or passing to the strong-side corner. If the ball is passed to the corner the options are either shoot, pass to the strong-side block, or pick and pop with the wing. If it is passed to the weak-side guard it initiates the "pinch post" option. There are two options. The first and most common is to pass to the weak-side forward who flashes to the elbow (corner of the key at the free throw line) to receive the pass. When he does the options are a rub handoff, back door cut by guard without the ball, post up of the guard on a smaller player, or face up and attack. The second option is a pick and roll with the forward. The advantage to the first option is there are so many weapons to attack the defense it opens up a lot of freedom and ability to score effectively. The advantage on the second option is that the player who has the ball and uses the screen now has the entire side of the floor to work with to go one on one. Meanwhile, on the other side, the wing sets a screen for the corner guard on the triangle split. If the hand-off is not available, the forward or the guard can pass to the corner guard coming off the screen. If the defense overplays or expects the split, both the wing and the corner guard can back cut to the basket. During all of this time the original strong-side block player is able to establish position for an easy shot while the defender is lured by all of the movement and cutting by the other players.

If the strong-side wing-to-guard pass is not possible, the third option is for the weak-side forward to flash to the strong-side elbow, take the pass, and cut to the basket on the trademark backdoor play of the offense. Meanwhile, the wing and corner guard exchange on a down screen. The forward with the ball can pass to the cutting guard or to the corner guard coming off the wing's screen. If nothing's available, he can shoot the basketball himself.

The offense also has a variety of options if there's heavy pressure from the defense. If the initial wing-pass by the guard isn't available, the triangle can be created on the other side by passing to the other guard, who then passes to the weak-side forward (who then becomes the strong-side wing). The guard, who initially had the ball, then cuts to the other corner. The center or the pressured wing can flash to the opposite post. If the guard-to-guard pass is not available, the weak-side forward can make a similar flash cut that was mentioned earlier. That also creates many cutting opportunities. If there is heavy pressure on everybody, the center can release the pressure by cutting to the high post for a pass by the ballhandling guard. That would also create space for possible cuts.


This Video also shows you how the triangle offense needs to run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdKQXJySuZw
Very well put :clap:

S.J.Basketball
02-09-2009, 01:15 AM
My attention span allowed me to read the 1st few lines and then I went back to my porn.

BIGDRE24
02-09-2009, 01:15 AM
Man u cant tell these laker/kobe haters nothin..i feel u though we understand the deal..

GspLAL
02-09-2009, 02:07 AM
He cant get an assist he's a ballhog :rolleyes:

Gonna just assume you're baiting or another Wade bandwagon fan.

LakerKB24Fan
02-09-2009, 02:27 AM
Gonna just assume you're baiting or another Wade bandwagon fan.

I actually think that he was being sarcastic, see the roll eyes sign

clehmun
02-09-2009, 04:04 AM
i just wana make a general comment (not directed to lebron or kobe).

ASSISTS DOES NOT MAKE YOU UNSELFISH!
i don't get why people automatically thinks if a player has assists, it means he's unselfish. shooting and passing are both part of the game. if the player puts the TEAM first, then IMO he's being unselfish. putting the team first can mean making the right pass or making the right shot.

there are ALOT of selfish PGs in the league who averages high assists totals.
marbury and steve francis both averages 8-10 assists in their prime. and they are both more selfish than a lot of swing players who averages 4 or 5 assists.

if a player doesn't run any plays, dribbles for 20 secs, then passes the ball to a guy who is now forced to take a shot, is that selfish basketball?
but if he does it enough times during a game, he'll get 8 assists.

if another player runs the team offense, creates for his team, finds an open shooter, but the open shooter makes an extra pass to generate a better shot, he won't be credited with an assist, but it was because of his unselfish play that the team got a good open look.

i'm just trying to say having assists doesn't necessarily mean unselfish.

G-Funk
02-09-2009, 04:34 AM
if another player runs the team offense, creates for his team, finds an open shooter, but the open shooter makes an extra pass to generate a better shot, he won't be credited with an assist, but it was because of his unselfish play that the team got a good open look.

i'm just trying to say having assists doesn't necessarily mean unselfish.

This is something that ppl who don't watch any Laker games don't undestand. Kobe just goes through the offense and the man who is open will take the shot. Everything usually starts with Kobe, then the triangle offense starts rolling and who ever passes the ball last will get the assist. But the triangle offense is not about giving the ball to Kobe and have him create for others. It's a team system and every body usually touches the ball until they find the open player.

Crooks&Castles
02-09-2009, 05:16 AM
My attention span allowed me to read the 1st few lines and then I went back to my porn.

thats pretty irrelevant

uchiha
02-09-2009, 08:59 AM
Who says that Kobe can't get assists? I don't think that anybody says that.. I am pretty sure that you just made that up.

It is actually a pretty simple formula if you think about it....

1) Make a thread that starts with "Can we put this [insert something that people already know here] to rest???

2) State the reasons that everybody already knows and pretend like you are the only one that feels that way

ex.

Can we put this "Dwight Howard can't rebound" to rest?!

Can we put this "Dirk can't hit threes" to rest!!?

Can we for the love of god put this "Michael Jordan is planning a comeback" to rest!!?

prodigy
02-09-2009, 09:08 AM
kobe's a ballhog, thats common since. Everyone knows this. He cannot pass like lebron can and if anyone thinks otherwise then wow.

uchiha
02-09-2009, 09:11 AM
it is common since that kobe's a ballhog?..... or do you mean sense?

HOZ THE KNICK
02-09-2009, 09:20 AM
lebron is better period,why make another dumbass kobe thread.

Teeboy1487
02-09-2009, 09:50 AM
Why make this thread. Who cares what these idiots think. They don't know basketball any better than you do. Let's just put kobe vs. Lebron to rest because the lakers are better than the cavs at the end of the day.

JJ81
02-09-2009, 10:35 AM
He cant get an assist he's a ballhog :rolleyes:

And Wade's in your sig.

aloysius8
02-09-2009, 10:36 AM
I'm completely neutral when it comes to the NBA. That said, I'd take Kobe on my team before I would anyone else in the league.

BTownTeamsRKing
02-09-2009, 11:30 AM
kobe's a ballhog, thats common since. Everyone knows this. He cannot pass like lebron can and if anyone thinks otherwise then wow.

listen, u are so incredibly biased that no one takes your opinion seriously.

if u dont give any respect, u get none back.

Kobe is a great passer. I know, ive seen his passes lead to big wins like the one in Boston.

sure Kobe is not the perfect team player, but should he be? no. he is incredible at scoring. Kobe covered is better than Fisher open. he is that good.

IRUAM #21
02-09-2009, 11:31 AM
And Wade's in your sig.

It was a joke dude, didnt you see the smiley :rolleyes: