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jmb8311
02-08-2009, 01:23 PM
With A-Rod out of the "clean" discussion for the time being, who is the greatest hitter of this generation? Some notable and worthy names for consideration: Manny, Chipper, Pujols, Vladdy, Jeter, Griffey, Ichiro, Thome, Thomas, and Sheffield.

IRUAM #21
02-08-2009, 01:23 PM
Pujols

YankeeFan28
02-08-2009, 01:24 PM
Arod

Acronym
02-08-2009, 01:27 PM
Arod

Funny joke.:rolleyes: The man tested positive. Get over it.

Clearly Griffey. And it would be Griffey even if A-Rod had been clean.

MVPedroia
02-08-2009, 01:27 PM
The midget....Pedey.

If clean: Manny

cambovenzi
02-08-2009, 01:29 PM
maybe griffey in his day, but ill say manny.
i think he is likely not to have taken roids, while griffey succeeded right in the middle of the era, and fell off afterwards.

Raidaz4Life
02-08-2009, 01:30 PM
To me its a three way toss up between Griffey, Manny, and Pujols

Mets4Life101
02-08-2009, 01:31 PM
Manny

jmb8311
02-08-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm taking Manny as well. However, from a completely bias Braves fan point of view, had Chipper been able to stay healthy and play complete seasons his numbers would translate right on par or above what Manny's numbers are.

mdlr52192
02-08-2009, 01:34 PM
Manny now because he is so dominant right now, and when I compare him to Pujols, its close, but Manny's been in the league longer. Griffey would be the best if he didn't get hurt as much, so I have him as second best.

Sabres39
02-08-2009, 01:34 PM
Arod

Even if A-Rod really didn't do steroids, this belongs to Pujols. The numbers he has put up are just all around better than A-Rod.

CAIN=FUTURE
02-08-2009, 01:39 PM
Who knows whos clean or not.

Aussy4GM
02-08-2009, 01:42 PM
The midget....Pedey.

If clean: Manny


thats a joke right? pedroia has 2 seasons on experience.

Easily Ken Griffey Jr.

why is sheffield on this list his was in the Mitchell Report

Sportscenterman
02-08-2009, 01:43 PM
Let's be honest here, you can't have this thread because you don't know who is clean. Be honest we won't know. Barry wasn't clean but he passed the 2003 test and there are 103 other names on that last that aren't named a-rod

ackar
02-08-2009, 01:43 PM
How about no one. Maybe little johnny who never made it to the pros because he was clean. Hell you might have to go all way to pee wee league to find a truly clean player.
Funny thing is it maybe true.

Rampage132
02-08-2009, 01:43 PM
Arod

scottythegreat1
02-08-2009, 01:43 PM
I choose not to vote because who knows who will get the finger pointed at next. For all we know Manny may get it next, or maybe Pujols. Im not suggesting theyre next, but anyone is up for getting the finger pointed at them.

shanefitzgerald
02-08-2009, 01:45 PM
manny

76YazwSideburns
02-08-2009, 01:47 PM
Half that list could get the finger pointed at them next week.

8Superbowls
02-08-2009, 01:49 PM
for you to assume anyone on this list is "clean" is very naive

quiksilver2491
02-08-2009, 01:50 PM
Griffey Jr. are you guys serious? Great hitter, and awesome defender but when you match him up with the likes of Manny and Frank Thomas they clearly were better hitters. If this was the best player I could see your argument but he wasn't in the same class of hitters that they were.

As far as the question goes I guess it depends on what you would classify as this generation. I mean out of those it looks like Pujols will easily be the best hitter but he still has a lot of years to go till his career is finished, while guys like Thome, Chipper, Manny and Thomas are nearing the end of theirs. So I guess I would say the best is Frank Thomas, with Manny coming in second and Chipper and Thome right behind him.

McJoe
02-08-2009, 01:51 PM
we cant actually say...if Arod isnt clean then who is...

I'm starting to lean towards it being no one but I did say Manny. He has never been a huge power guy and his career high for homers is only 45. He hits for a HUGE average and he is good. I'm going Manny.

homestarunner93
02-08-2009, 01:53 PM
Ken Griffey Jr. no doubt. Its a shame he had some short seasons due to injury, because he would be the home run king.

GarlicStench
02-08-2009, 01:54 PM
Geez just a day ago ARoid was clean. If any of you guys think any of these guys are clean your complete idiots! Pujols is obviously using! Howard? come on people wake u. They are all doing it!

GarlicStench
02-08-2009, 01:55 PM
Junior? he breaks down because of steroids numbnuts!

Young2Kinsler
02-08-2009, 01:56 PM
Manny, no questions asked, hands down, no argument.

Tragedy
02-08-2009, 01:56 PM
I voted "other", because there is a pretty good chance just about everyone on that list is dirty.

Jerimyaustin6
02-08-2009, 01:56 PM
With A-Rod out of the "clean" discussion for the time being, who is the greatest hitter of this generation? Some notable and worthy names for consideration: Manny, Chipper, Pujols, Vladdy, Jeter, Griffey, Ichiro, Thome, Thomas, and Sheffield.

At this point do we know if they are clear??

-Manny has bulked up ALOT, I think he is worth wondering about.
-Chipper has had alot of muscle strains, which can be evidence of roids.
-Pujols if I am not mistaken he came from out of nowhere. Also hasn't his name being mentioned before with roids or HGH??
-Vladdy look how run down his body is.
-Jeter would be one of the most shocking names if he came up dirty, but on the other hand would be a great example that they do not help with the long ball!!!
-Griffey, with his injury years it is hard to tell, but would be surprised.
-Ichiro now way he took them.
-Thome, Thomas always have been beast they are showing there wear and tear just from being large their whole lives.
-Sheffield really, you think he is clean? If he is clean then Bonds, Mcgwire, and Conseco are clean. his name has been mentioned just as much as Bonds.

kswissdaf
02-08-2009, 01:58 PM
how do we know if they are clean

CubsBullsfan28
02-08-2009, 01:59 PM
i would say griffey when he was younger and before the injuries. right now i would say it pujols.

SOS
02-08-2009, 02:00 PM
A-Rod

JAYZFAN9
02-08-2009, 02:08 PM
the big hurt

goldglove212
02-08-2009, 02:11 PM
IMO if everyone on the list is clean

its Manny then Pujols

Brave4life
02-08-2009, 02:11 PM
Arod


You still think he is clean after testing for 2 anebolic steroids in 03. I bet if he was still on the rangers you wouldnt be saying a rod. shows how you a HOMER.

I would have to go with manny, pujols, chipper, griffey.

bctgg27
02-08-2009, 02:14 PM
I am going with Griffey

misterd
02-08-2009, 02:18 PM
Honestly I have too many questions about too many of these players to assume any of them are really clean.

DJYankee
02-08-2009, 02:19 PM
Right now i don't think this poll is necessary since any of those guys could be next

GarlicStench
02-08-2009, 02:20 PM
It is well documented that Steroid use is everywhere in high school sports. Wake up people. THEY ALL DO IT!!!!!!!

Seamhead
02-08-2009, 02:22 PM
You still think he is clean after testing for 2 anebolic steroids in 03. I bet if he was still on the rangers you wouldnt be saying a rod. shows how you a HOMER.

Pot meet kettle. And learn to detect sarcasm.

Tragedy
02-08-2009, 02:23 PM
Pot meet kettle. And learn to detect sarcasm.
Yeah, OKAY HOMER.:p

TheLogical
02-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Shef tested positive in like '04. I'd have to say Pujols and Manny.

NYYankeesWin#27
02-08-2009, 02:27 PM
arod, i still dont belive this report. w8 for more evidence b4 saying he aint clean

boms-4
02-08-2009, 02:28 PM
gotta go with Manny when he actually tries

Tragedy
02-08-2009, 02:33 PM
Shef tested positive in like '04. I'd have to say Pujols and Manny.
If I remember correctly, didn't the same thing that happen to Bonds, happen to Sheffield? As in, he said he "unknowingly" took steroids, but never actually tested positive?

gcoll
02-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Manny + Pujols + Sheff + Thome + probably a few others = roiders.

JDIsMyGod23
02-08-2009, 02:36 PM
Frank Thomas is the most under appreciated HITTER in the past 50 years.

gcoll
02-08-2009, 02:38 PM
arod, i still dont belive this report. w8 for more evidence b4 saying he aint clean

Which is the better hitter:

A-Rod = .306/.389/.578

Manny = .314/.411/.593

So....even if we assume that A-Rod is clean, and we keep Manny in the "clean" discussion....Manny is still better.

sodomen37
02-08-2009, 02:40 PM
arod, i still dont belive this report. w8 for more evidence b4 saying he aint clean
Couldn't agree more, those results were gotten by defying A-Rod's fourth amendment rights. Those sources will be laughed out of court in a couple of weeks if they don't already have law suits on their desks, just wait and see.

07MVPPatBurrell
02-08-2009, 02:42 PM
it's obvious some of the guys on this list used steroids. sheffield ? come on.

DewsSox79
02-08-2009, 02:54 PM
you dont know who is clean anymore...so no vote for me.

bartoron
02-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Why did you put Gary Sheffield in the poll?! He's one of the original BALCO guys.

As far as who the best "clean" hitter of this generation is, I'm actually going to go with Derek Jeter. He's by no means one of the best overall hitters of this generation, but I have no doubt in my mind that he's clean. I'd like to believe Pujols is clean, and thus far he hasn't been named, but the exact same thing was said about A-Rod. Jeter, at least in my mind, is different. He's obviously never been big, but another thing that he has and many of the others don't is brains. I remember reading once that he was always a very good student in school, and he was also raised in a good family environment.

hotpotato1092
02-08-2009, 03:08 PM
Ichiro, he's the best pure hitter of this generation with or without juice. He may be the best pure hitter the game's ever seen. Mariners players have said that if he wanted to hit 50 HRs he could but he chooses to be a contact hitter.

johnnylee722
02-08-2009, 03:16 PM
Pujols is one of the best players ever. Best hitter in the game right now. Best player in the game right now.

whitekimbo
02-08-2009, 03:17 PM
thats a joke right? pedroia has 2 seasons on experience.

Easily Ken Griffey Jr.

why is sheffield on this list his was in the Mitchell Report

easily griffey?

u mean easily pujols?

Phitin' Phan
02-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Well currently I think the best clean hitters are...

Overall- Puljos
Contact- Ichiro
Power- Ryan Howard

whitekimbo
02-08-2009, 03:19 PM
Ichiro, he's the best pure hitter of this generation with or without juice. He may be the best pure hitter the game's ever seen. Mariners players have said that if he wanted to hit 50 HRs he could but he chooses to be a contact hitter.

ha, this is one of the dumbest things ive heard. he knows how bad their offense is so why would he be a contact hitter and then strand himself on base when he could hit a home run whenever he wanted. get outta here bro.

The Dream
02-08-2009, 03:28 PM
the original poster made this topic purposely to hate on arod

SymphonicDeligh
02-08-2009, 03:31 PM
wow, you guys are real short sighted...
a lot of obviously clean guys who were great hitters, not even mentioned here...

how about a guy named tony gwynn....
i think he wins hands down...

guy struck out 434 times in 9,288 at bats. never more than 40 times in a season. .338 career batting avg. from 1982-2001.

obviously clean.
obviously the best clean hitter of this era.
take that to the bank.

bartoron
02-08-2009, 03:33 PM
wow, you guys are real short sighted...
a lot of obviously clean guys who were great hitters, not even mentioned here...

how about a guy named tony gwynn....
i think he wins hands down...

guy struck out 434 times in 9,288 at bats. never more than 40 times in a season. .338 career batting avg. from 1982-2001.

obviously clean.
obviously the best clean hitter of this era.
take that to the bank.

Hmm, good pick.

FortyDubs
02-08-2009, 03:35 PM
Bonds.. oh wait

i4c
02-08-2009, 03:36 PM
come on

get Thome, Pujols, Manny, Sheff off that list, they're certainly suspect if Arod juices.

Comes down to Griffey, Ichiro, Jeter, Thomas

thewupk
02-08-2009, 03:39 PM
I voted Chipper because I'm a homer.

At this point it has to be Manny imo. However once Pujols gets more years under his belt it will be him.

whitesoxfan83
02-08-2009, 03:43 PM
come on

get Thome, Pujols, Manny, Sheff off that list, they're certainly suspect if Arod juices.

Comes down to Griffey, Ichiro, Jeter, Thomas

Thome? Pujols? Manny? Juicing?

i doubt it, maybe manny.

SymphonicDeligh
02-08-2009, 03:43 PM
and speaking strictly power guys, having played during and after the roids era began, i would like to nominate

a definitely clean, Eddie Murray.

SymphonicDeligh
02-08-2009, 03:47 PM
its kind of strange how i suspect people of using roids, anyone who began play around 1985 or later, and puts up power numbers in my view, is a roid suspect, but for some reason, guys who had longevity and played from the 70s to the late 90's, i have a hard time suspecting of roid use.

who knows? maybe george foster was shootin **** into his *** in the late 70's for all i know?

HOZ THE KNICK
02-08-2009, 03:47 PM
griffy for sure.

The1ronHorse
02-08-2009, 03:48 PM
No question Ken Griffey Jr. he hit over 600 home runs and he used to put fear in pitchers greater than any ever could at the time. Definately KGJ.

xxepo
02-08-2009, 03:49 PM
meh i bet most of them did steroids on that list

Bosh=nextKG
02-08-2009, 03:49 PM
Manny is the best hitter in the game. Out of everyone, clean n the juicers, Manny is the best hitter

SymphonicDeligh
02-08-2009, 03:49 PM
griffey definitely a strong roid candidate.

76YazwSideburns
02-08-2009, 03:50 PM
Junior? he breaks down because of steroids numbnuts!

Really.......

This makes me radically rethink Mickey Mantle's career.

Full marks on the specious reasoning.

SymphonicDeligh
02-08-2009, 03:52 PM
if you are speaking of hitters, you are speaking of more than the singular aspect of hitting homeruns, tony gwynn was the best HITTER of the 90s era hands down.

better than griff, manny, thome, etc.

frank thomas did have a real good eye as well, as shown in his great OBP's
but gwynn was clearly the best hitter to play in the 80s and 90s.

Red_Sox_89
02-08-2009, 03:58 PM
How can anyone say anyone but Griffey? Such a good player, teammate, and all around guy.

FKD215
02-08-2009, 04:02 PM
I know he's early in his career, but if he continues like this, you'd have to put Ryan Howard in that conversation. At least as far as power guys.

good spliff
02-08-2009, 04:04 PM
For all we know, each named listed could test positive.

macattack
02-08-2009, 04:05 PM
if i could tell u who was clean i might be able to answe the question.

hawks1723
02-08-2009, 04:06 PM
Who is to say all of these guys aren't doing what Arod was at that time? ARod took them when they were not illegal, so who is to say these guys didn't either?

macattack
02-08-2009, 04:12 PM
Who is to say all of these guys aren't doing what Arod was at that time? ARod took them when they were not illegal, so who is to say these guys didn't either?



they were ALWAYS ILLEGAL. baseball jst didn't ban them until this whole thing went down. but steroids themselves have been illegal for awhile now. ppl need to realize this and your not along in your belief.

ugadawgsfan17
02-08-2009, 04:15 PM
Probably Pujols by the end of his career, but right now Manny is arguably the best right handed hitter of all time

redwhitenblue
02-08-2009, 05:09 PM
Sosa

YankeeFan89
02-08-2009, 05:25 PM
Manny is the best hitter...when he tries.

Kaptain Kanada
02-08-2009, 05:42 PM
Haha.. funny poll. These guys are all supposed to be clean? Riiiiiight.

Cursed Rangers
02-08-2009, 05:48 PM
I think it is just a matter of time before everyone on this list is linked to roids. The only exception would be Ichiro.

Gigantes4Life
02-08-2009, 06:32 PM
Hasn't Sheffield been linked to steroids? He did workout with Bonds for the longest time.

Sportfan
02-08-2009, 06:40 PM
manny

bagwell368
02-09-2009, 08:16 AM
Funny joke.:rolleyes: The man tested positive. Get over it.

Clearly Griffey. And it would be Griffey even if A-Rod had been clean.

hahhahahha

I have my doubts about these guys - Manny, Pujols, Sheffield, Thome, Thomas

I'd say most of them did something. Look at the progression of weight and muscle mass since they were in their late teens.

Ichiro is an abomination to be on this list, he's terribly unproductive.

Jeter might be in play as a SS, but as an overall great hitter of the past 20 years? Pfshaw!

Griffey? Nice player, a HOF, but not a great, not with the 85th best OPS+ of all time.

Given positional scarcity, I'll take Chipper from guys on your list, but Piazza is even greater.

bagwell368
02-09-2009, 08:23 AM
How about no one. Maybe little johnny who never made it to the pros because he was clean. Hell you might have to go all way to pee wee league to find a truly clean player.
Funny thing is it maybe true.

Hopefully you are joking to make a point - but it seems not, so here you go.

Idiotic concept. Observe any High School or College players lately. I work with some HS kids, and watch a lot more (>200) Varsity players with regularity, and there is at most one kid that might be doing something.

I've followed a few into local D2 and D3 schools, and watched some of them also, and its clean clean clean.

drty snchz
02-09-2009, 06:58 PM
I say Griffey because he is only guy I believe to be 100% clean.

todu82
02-09-2009, 07:01 PM
Albert Pujols

lakersrock
02-09-2009, 07:50 PM
Chipper is the only hitter left that I would trust as being clean. Seeing that he's a great hitter and I would believe him if he said he didn't take steroids, he's #1.

07MVPPatBurrell
02-09-2009, 08:12 PM
Albert Pujols

not clean

C1Bman88
02-09-2009, 08:21 PM
not clean

What makes you say that?

EDIT: Forgot to reply to your post in the other thread about it, so I might as well bring it up here. How exactly is it that you know Pujols did it and Howard hasn't?

Kyle916
02-09-2009, 08:26 PM
Who knows who's clean...

SJ5382
02-09-2009, 08:26 PM
Who knows who's clean...
Apparently, 07MVPPatBurrell does...

Phelps89
02-12-2009, 01:31 AM
Pujols or Griffey.

vetoedbyangelos
02-12-2009, 03:12 AM
I've got my suspicions about Pujols. Reminds me of Juan Gonzalez. Griffey had the sweet swing, but he also didn't recover well from injuries - which is the one thing steroids are known for. He always took longer than expected to heal, and often, he promptly got re-injured.

I have my doubts about Frank Thomas too. The guy played football in college, and steroids were much more acceptable in that climate to begin with. He was unnaturally large, even when he first came up.

To me, it comes down to Ichiro or Griffey, with Griffey getting the nod because of his power numbers. If I knew Ramirez was clean, I'd say he was the best slugger of our generation, but come on, look at footage of him during his days with the Indians. It's staggering how much his body has changed.

Kyle916
02-12-2009, 04:27 AM
Apparently, 07MVPPatBurrell does...

:laugh2:

FWBrodie
02-12-2009, 06:37 AM
50% of that list has probably used steroids. Sheffield was a BALCO client for crying out loud.

DaaBoTownSox
02-12-2009, 07:52 AM
I don't know if there is a clean hitter of this generation, but if I had to pick one I am going with Griffey Jr.

Barry L Bonds
02-16-2009, 02:43 AM
How do you even know who is clean? 103 players are out their and we don't know who is on it. And that's just a list not who actually used and got away with it.

djeller1139
02-16-2009, 05:12 AM
We can't be sure that any of these guys are 100% clean..

If I had to guess I'd say it's Pujols, and I would guess (and hope) he's clean, but can't be sure.

bagwell368
02-16-2009, 09:05 AM
I think a lot of guys are suspicious - Pujols, Bagwell, Thomas - and w/o evidence who can say?

I can say one thing - Ichiro is the single most overrated offensive player of the past 20 years. That he should be considered #1 for anything but empty puffy BA's and some SB's is an abomination. Go look at this RC/G, OPS+, etc. above average, and nothing more.

p.s. his D has been taking a nosedive as well.

Old Sweater
02-16-2009, 11:38 AM
I looked into my crystal ball and it said not to vote on a poll that has a debatable subject for which there ain't no answer.

Being clean and not being caught are two different things.

Old Sweater
02-16-2009, 11:54 AM
I think a lot of guys are suspicious - Pujols, Bagwell, Thomas - and w/o evidence who can say?

I can say one thing - Ichiro is the single most overrated offensive player of the past 20 years. That he should be considered #1 for anything but empty puffy BA's and some SB's is an abomination. Go look at this RC/G, OPS+, etc. above average, and nothing more.

p.s. his D has been taking a nosedive as well.


Plus Ichiro gets a lot of leg hits and PED's help speed more then anything.

sprinters and weight lifters get the most benefit from PED's because the athlete gets to use them 100% for full PED value. A hitter only can use the PED's at full value when he really squares the ball, which is a very low percentage.

If they had a GWOB(good wood on ball) stat to measure the speed of the ball off the bat for every hitter when he made contact all season long we all wouldn't have to be guessing how much PED's helped the batter their assumed or admitted years.

A Rod last year had a HR true distance of 417 ft at Hit Tracker compared to the league average of 395 ft. I believe that A Rod is worth a 5% increase over the league average. I only give a hitter 4-9 ft PED Boost, on a HR. If you think it is more, see what your own distance PED boost does, compared to league average.

metsbulls1025
02-16-2009, 12:10 PM
There is no way to be 100 percent sure anymore. Its getting to the point where its harder to find the clean guys then it is the juicers.

Ron!n
02-17-2009, 08:58 AM
Well if youre saying clean hitter as in not having been proved so far of use id have to say Pujols, then Thome/Thomas/Sosa
Griffey would be up there but hes had too much of an up and down career

Kyle916
02-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Well if youre saying clean hitter as in not having been proved so far of use id have to say Pujols, then Thome/Thomas/Sosa
Griffey would be up there but hes had too much of an up and down career

If you're going to go that route, then it's Bonds...

sager729
02-17-2009, 03:57 PM
hahhahahha

I have my doubts about these guys - Manny, Pujols, Sheffield, Thome, Thomas

I'd say most of them did something. Look at the progression of weight and muscle mass since they were in their late teens.

Ichiro is an abomination to be on this list, he's terribly unproductive.

Jeter might be in play as a SS, but as an overall great hitter of the past 20 years? Pfshaw!

Griffey? Nice player, a HOF, but not a great, not with the 85th best OPS+ of all time.

Given positional scarcity, I'll take Chipper from guys on your list, but Piazza is even greater.

OK Sheffield has been linked with 'roids, so I agree there, but Manny, Pujols, Thome and Thomas haven't been at all that I know of.

With the bolded statement, that just doesn't make any sense at all. Don't most people gain weight and muscle as you get older. I mean when I graduated , I weighed 160 lbs and in the 5 years since with me lifting and working out now I am 195 with good muscle mass. I garuntee you that I don't work out like major league baseball players. So that comment is stupid.

I think that Thomas, Manny, and Pujols are the best "clean" power hitters while Gwynn is the best overall hitter.

americanboi
02-20-2009, 04:51 PM
My vote is for Griffey...he leads most offensive categories among active players

mnrlgry
02-22-2009, 04:50 AM
Eventually it will be Pujols with some more years under his belt

Kenny Krew
02-22-2009, 02:18 PM
Pujols is the best hitter in the game, year in, year out

DrxDrO
02-22-2009, 04:32 PM
We don't really know who is clean anymore.

Rylinkus
02-22-2009, 06:04 PM
We don't really know who is clean anymore.

Agreed. It's pretty much impossible to know who is and isnt on steroids.

Sportfan
02-22-2009, 08:06 PM
We don't really know who is clean anymore.

yup

Kenny Krew
02-22-2009, 10:06 PM
Except for Ichiro :)

belliard is god
02-23-2009, 01:53 AM
manny, thomas, delgado

trunks17321
02-23-2009, 04:41 PM
Griffey in his prime, when he was with the Mariners he and Bonds were the best in the game

iam brett favre
02-23-2009, 05:02 PM
jeter or ichiro

Tragedy
02-23-2009, 07:22 PM
We don't really know who is clean anymore.
That's basically my reaction to this thread. Manny, Griffey, Thomas, and the rest on the list to choose from are suspects in my opinion. Just about anyone that played in this past era is a suspect, whether you want to admit it or not. Steroid use was so prevalent.

Kyle916
02-23-2009, 09:12 PM
The only proven clean hitter is God...

Grecs422
02-24-2009, 07:15 PM
how do u know any of these guys arent on the juice

Sick Of It All
02-24-2009, 07:31 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/02/24/carlos.delgado/index.html


Appreciating Carlos Delgado, the lost slugger of the Steroid Era

WSbluejays
02-25-2009, 12:30 AM
I picked pujols because since around 2000, he is the best hitter. since about 1995 ramirez has been an rbi machine. Assuming everyones career ended now, griffey would be better. Its not fare to make the comparison becuase manny has a few years left and pujols has alot of years left.

bagwell368
02-25-2009, 12:45 AM
I picked pujols because since around 2000, he is the best hitter. since about 1995 ramirez has been an rbi machine. Assuming everyones career ended now, griffey would be better. Its not fare to make the comparison becuase manny has a few years left and pujols has alot of years left.

Pujols and Manny are both far better hitters then Griffey already. It's not all about HR's and totals. Griffey's rate stats are not that great, not at all. His peak stats are not that good.

RobbysLegend#6
02-25-2009, 12:48 AM
Pujols

Please tell me that I am not the only one suspicious of Pujols and how clean he was/is.

metsbulls1025
02-25-2009, 03:35 AM
If I remember correctly, didn't the same thing that happen to Bonds, happen to Sheffield? As in, he said he "unknowingly" took steroids, but never actually tested positive?

If someone "unknowingly" took steriods, how can they tell people they "unknowingly" took it.