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superius
02-06-2009, 08:09 PM
Hello everyone!

I've been pouring over posts by people in various places while I look at interest in the Matt Cassel situation.

There are a lot of people out there that are really quite sour. I guess if my team sucked and I was jealous of the Patriots I'd be upset too. But here are the facts:

1. The other teams in the NFL are not going to avoid Cassel in an attempt to screw the Patriots. If the teams could collude then maybe they would but if you need Cassel you are far better off by getting him than trying to hurt the Patriots by deciding not to take him and cross your fingers a division rival who also needs a QB picks him up instead.

2. Brady isn't going anywhere. I know there is a large segment of haters out there that have deluded themselves into thinking Brady is getting traded. I don't blame you, I'd hope he never played another down of football too if I was in your situation... But he will still be a NE Patriots in 2009. It's Cassel getting the trade.

3. Patriots fans are over reacting in some cases with dreams of restocking the team with tons of draft picks. There is really only two things that are fairly certain. The first is that the Patriots are looking for more than a 3rd round pick (since thats what they'd get in league compensation if Matt left in free agency anyway via compensatory pick system) and that they are probably not getting 2 first rounders. Something in between there is most likely.

4. Even if Cassel sucks, welcome to the NFL where a lot of QBs suck. If your desperate you need to make desperate moves.

I must say I love all the Cassel talk. It is so funny watching the haters breathlessly try and tear Cassel down. It's going to be fun posting a follow up to this thread on week 1 of the NFL season in 2009.

Welcome to another Patriots decade people!

Read it and weep.

TURBOGOD
02-06-2009, 08:11 PM
should go in the Pats forum all you're gonna get is hate

Ramon Nivar
02-06-2009, 08:11 PM
Ramon Nivar stands by Ramon Nivar's words... If Cassel goes to a less loaded team with worse coaching he will NOT be that successful...

Big_T
02-06-2009, 08:14 PM
Hello everyone!


3. Patriots fans are over reacting in some cases with dreams of restocking the team with tons of draft picks. There is really only two things that are fairly certain. The first is that the Patriots are looking for more than a 3rd round pick (since thats what they'd get in league compensation if Matt left in free agency anyway via compensatory pick system) and that they are probably not getting 2 first rounders. Something in between there is most likely.


the texans gave up two second rounders for matt schuab when he was a back up, i could see that or a little more for cassell

TURBOGOD
02-06-2009, 08:15 PM
If we trade Cassel, which is the most probable, the value will be EXTREMELY high

NYMetros
02-06-2009, 08:17 PM
Ramon Nivar stands by Ramon Nivar's words... If Cassel goes to a less loaded team with worse coaching he will NOT be that successful...

That's kind of obvious.

bal_ravens
02-06-2009, 08:25 PM
^ Seriously.

Hope they don't trade him and find out Brady is not the same.

athlete9393
02-06-2009, 09:53 PM
:clap:
Hello everyone!

I've been pouring over posts by people in various places while I look at interest in the Matt Cassel situation.

There are a lot of people out there that are really quite sour. I guess if my team sucked and I was jealous of the Patriots I'd be upset too. But here are the facts:

1. The other teams in the NFL are not going to avoid Cassel in an attempt to screw the Patriots. If the teams could collude then maybe they would but if you need Cassel you are far better off by getting him than trying to hurt the Patriots by deciding not to take him and cross your fingers a division rival who also needs a QB picks him up instead.

2. Brady isn't going anywhere. I know there is a large segment of haters out there that have deluded themselves into thinking Brady is getting traded. I don't blame you, I'd hope he never played another down of football too if I was in your situation... But he will still be a NE Patriots in 2009. It's Cassel getting the trade.

3. Patriots fans are over reacting in some cases with dreams of restocking the team with tons of draft picks. There is really only two things that are fairly certain. The first is that the Patriots are looking for more than a 3rd round pick (since thats what they'd get in league compensation if Matt left in free agency anyway via compensatory pick system) and that they are probably not getting 2 first rounders. Something in between there is most likely.

4. Even if Cassel sucks, welcome to the NFL where a lot of QBs suck. If your desperate you need to make desperate moves.

I must say I love all the Cassel talk. It is so funny watching the haters breathlessly try and tear Cassel down. It's going to be fun posting a follow up to this thread on week 1 of the NFL season in 2009.

Welcome to another Patriots decade people!

Read it and weep.

oyuyou have no idea what you are talking about here.
1. the patriots would recieve more than a third round draft pick and atleast one first becausse that is what they would get in return if another team signed him. The franchise tag that they put on cassel officially says that.

2. Cassel doesn't suck and chances are whatever team you root for, cassel is better than your qb. Not sure, but chances are.

3. there is stilla chance brady is traded. Although it is more unlikely than cassel getting traded, there is still a chance. cassel is younger and runs better. Cassel gets the balls to guys like brady did as a rookie(not saying that cassel will be the next brady). Also, brady just came off an injury, possibly putting him in a higher risk of getting reinjured. But brady is still one of the top qbs ever no doubt, don't argue with me any other patriot fan and many other fans agree with that.

4. This is not because I am a patriots fan, everything I said here is the truth, after watching many teams in the playoffs, I am very fortunate to be a Patriots fan.

PatsFan2481
02-06-2009, 09:57 PM
I dont know if any one agrees with me But TRADEE CASSEL FOR LARRY JOHNSON AND A 2nd or 3rd or even maybe more

stevec6
02-07-2009, 02:21 AM
the chiefs wouldnt give up any more than larry... maybe just larry but certainly not larry and another draft pick, especially not a second or third

stevec6
02-07-2009, 02:22 AM
pats fans have cassel so over valued its not even funny... he has quickly gone from one of the most underrated to one of the most overrated players in the entire league

jetsRsnitchaz
02-07-2009, 08:19 AM
i think he is worth a second rounder, but i could still see a team offering a first. i could see the lions giving up # 20 and taking andre smith at #1. it makes more sense than drafting stafford who is unproven at the time. you know what you get out of cassel. he probably won't put up the same numbers, but he would still be better than their number one

bagwell368
02-07-2009, 10:59 AM
I dont know if any one agrees with me But TRADEE CASSEL FOR LARRY JOHNSON AND A 2nd or 3rd or even maybe more

Totally moronic.

Larry Johnson is on the books for over $8M next year. You'd have to cut every RB the Pats have to afford him.

Larry Johnson has been arrested four times, at least twice for abusive treatment of women - no way Kraft takes that criminal on the Pats.

Think before you speak.

bagwell368
02-07-2009, 11:03 AM
pats fans have cassel so over valued its not even funny... he has quickly gone from one of the most underrated to one of the most overrated players in the entire league

I agree. If I was Detroit, I'd trade the 20th pick, but also expect back something the Pats 4th and/or maybe make the Pats swallow a not so hot cap room player (not sure which).

He won't make that many mistakes, but he won't win many games on his back either. Just a guy that belongs in the NFL - good enough for sure, but not going to Canton.

DeputyMosi
02-07-2009, 12:24 PM
I'm thinking before I speak, Two words for you, Corey Dillon. Take a look at his rap sheet it was mile long. Randy Mos has had past issues with the law as well. I'm not saying L.J. is a saint. But given the right situation to succeed he could. He would certainly be an upgrade from Maroney. I agree with you he would have to redo his deal. Mybe a third or fourth for L.J,. we'll see what happens.

look forward to your comments

magichatnumber9
02-07-2009, 03:19 PM
I don't think the patriots are going to get max compensation for Cassel. But 2 first round picks plus the one we have would set us up very nice.

The Intimidator
02-07-2009, 03:29 PM
I don't think the patriots are going to get max compensation for Cassel. But 2 first round picks plus the one we have would set us up very nice.

If you don't consider 2 first rounders max compensation, then you're quite the extortionist, my friend. :D

Boston Sporter
02-07-2009, 03:51 PM
Why would the Patriots want Larry Johnson? We ran the ball extremely effectively this year and RB is hardly a need. RB's in the NFL are overrated to begin with, the offensive line makes or breaks an RB not vise versa.

ERLynx
02-07-2009, 04:19 PM
^ Seriously.

Hope they don't trade him and find out Brady is not the same.

keep hoping, it wont happen. they will get a high pick for him and Brady will be just fine.

DeputyMosi
02-07-2009, 07:32 PM
Regarding L.J. when he's on he's better than all three Jordan, Morris and Maroney. The thing is that Jordan might not come back he is a free agent Morris has not lasted a full season one year while he's been in the pros. Faulk at this point is a specialist and far as Maroney is concerned well his injuries speak for themselves. The G_men have portrayed multiple Running backs and it has worked for them. I think if he(L.J.) came here he would give the Pats a Lgit #1 back. And the biggest thing is for Johnson or for any player is that he has something to PROVE. That can bold well for the Pats

Your thoughts......

bagwell368
02-07-2009, 07:41 PM
Regarding L.J. when he's on he's better than all three Jordan, Morris and Maroney. The thing is that Jordan might not come back he is a free agent Morris has not lasted a full season one year while he's been in the pros. Faulk at this point is a specialist and far as Maroney is concerned well his injuries speak for themselves. The G_men have portrayed multiple Running backs and it has worked for them. I think if he(L.J.) came here he would give the Pats a Lgit #1 back. And the biggest thing is for Johnson or for any player is that he has something to PROVE. That can bold well for the Pats

Your thoughts......

This will be the 3rd Pats thread I have posted this in within 48 hours.

#1. Larry Johnson is on the books for over $8M in 2009, who do you want to cut to make room?

#2. He has been arrested four times, inclduing at least twice for beating on women. The Krafts will never have this guy on the team, even if BB told him he wanted him.

#3. There is precious little tread left on his tires.


No, no, and Hell NO!

The Intimidator
02-07-2009, 07:50 PM
This will be the 3rd Pats thread I have posted this in within 48 hours.

#1. Larry Johnson is on the books for over $8M in 2009, who do you want to cut to make room?

#2. He has been arrested four times, inclduing at least twice for beating on women. The Krafts will never have this guy on the team, even if BB told him he wanted him.

#3. There is precious little tread left on his tires.


No, no, and Hell NO!

And before people bring up Randy Moss and Corey Dillon, don't do it. Neither Moss nor Dillon had legal trouble to the extent of LJ. Like Bags says here, Johnson beats women, or at least he did, and is a repeat offender of this crime. Dillon's issues don't compare, and neither do Moss' troubles. Sure, he hit a meter maid with his car and had some significant issues in high school, but he isn't a confirmed beater of women. This reason, along with the others that Bags mentioned, leads me to believe that the chances of seeing LJ in Foxborough are slim to none.

DeputyMosi
02-07-2009, 07:51 PM
Like I said as in moss's case he redid his contract and everyone thought Moss was done before he came here. Moss ran over a meter maid in Minnesota been busted for smoking dope but wears the Pats uniform. There is also a lot of these guys in the NFL that have troubled and current pasts. We just aren't privy to it. An example Ahman Green, Smacks around his old lady at Nebraska and while at G.B. while his fiance was pregnant. It doesn't make the press Why ? The towns or cities are indebted to the franchise s that bring in big money to their respective towns. I don't condone any of it, but let's be real if you can still play there will be a place for you on an NFL team and the Pats have taken chances in the past so I say they might with Johnson

DeputyMosi
02-07-2009, 07:57 PM
Would you take Ray Lewis for the right price he only was an accessory to murder until he ratted out his boys and got off or maybe Leonard little he's a convicted murder but would be great pressure off the edge........

The Intimidator
02-07-2009, 08:06 PM
Moss ran over a meter maid in Minnesota been busted for smoking dope but wears the Pats uniform.

Don't exaggerate. Moss didn't run over a meter maid, he hit the meter maid with his car. I'm not saying that it's acceptable, but you're making it seem worse than it was. Also, don't equate his past drug use to beating women, as they are completely different. By smoking weed, Moss was only endangering himself. Johnson was endangering the life of his girlfriend by beating her.


I don't condone any of it, but let's be real if you can still play there will be a place for you on an NFL team and the Pats have taken chances in the past so I say they might with Johnson

Like I said, the guys who the Patriots have taken a chance on before didn't have the baggage that LJ does. There very well may be a team that takes a chance on Johnson in the NFL, in fact I guarantee there is. There's just no way, IMO, that it's the Patriots.

The Intimidator
02-07-2009, 08:09 PM
Would you take Ray Lewis for the right price he only was an accessory to murder until he ratted out his boys and got off or maybe Leonard little he's a convicted murder but would be great pressure off the edge........

No, I wouldn't want Leonard Little. Not only has he had off-field issues, but we also have better options than him. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

DeputyMosi
02-08-2009, 08:00 AM
How :cheers::cheers:'bout what we can get for Casell ? I say at least a number one hopefully Detroit's' second first round pick #20. Then do the Pats keep both First rounders seems unlikely. I do like that kid Petigrew he looked god in the Senior Bowl and its practices. Watson is just too injury prone. Let us not forget the Pats have two second rounders well. They just can't afford to miss like they did with C. Jackson and Maroney, any thoughts ?

Sportfan
02-08-2009, 09:16 AM
Ramon Nivar stands by Ramon Nivar's words... If Cassel goes to a less loaded team with worse coaching he will NOT be that successful...

Agreed

Valleyfella
02-08-2009, 10:57 AM
If Brady or Manning went to a less loaded team with worse coaching, they wouldn't be as succeessful, either. Any QB owes a great deal of his success to those around him. There aren't many QB's from lousy teams in the HOF.

That said, Cassel looks awfully good to me. I saw all of Brady's early games and I think Cassel is further along at this stage of his development. In fact, he's uncannily like a young Brady when it comes to his skill set. There are no assurances, but if I were a GM of an up and coming team that needed a QB, I'd be willing to give up a lot for Cassel. On a decent or soon-to-be-decent team (49er's, Vikings) he could have a profound impact.

bagwell368
02-08-2009, 11:33 AM
That said, Cassel looks awfully good to me. I saw all of Brady's early games and I think Cassel is further along at this stage of his development. In fact, he's uncannily like a young Brady when it comes to his skill set.

I don't not at all.

Brady >> Cassel:

#1. Brady was much more accurate, hitting receivers in stride; Cassel throws behind lots of people, and required a staff of very fine receivers to save his bacon constantly.

#2. Brady didn't throw long much (due to the difference in WR) but everything he threw over 20 yards was dead on target. Cassel throws long, short, dying quails, etc. much more so on longer passes then Brady did in first year.

#3 Brady had terrific pocket awareness right away, Cassel took a ton of sacks. Later, he started to get better. But all we have is one first season in relief of a starter against another.

#4 speaking of comparisons, one QB took an average team and led them to SB victory over a dynasty wannabe team. Cassel took a dynasty team and led them to a pretty nice 11-5 season with no playoffs.

Verdict: Cassel can't lick Brady's spikes. Never has, never will. BB will be lauded as a genius if he can get Detroit's or Minn's #1 or better. Cassel will not turn around Detroit or KC. He'll do OK in Minn because of Peterson - turn and hand the ball off, ibid.

superius
02-08-2009, 12:08 PM
:clap:

oyuyou have no idea what you are talking about here.
1. the patriots would recieve more than a third round draft pick and atleast one first becausse that is what they would get in return if another team signed him. The franchise tag that they put on cassel officially says that.


Dude did you read a single word of my post? I understand the mechanics of the franchise tag. However that doesn't mean that the Patriots cannot accept a trade for lesser value. The reference to a 3rd round pick was related to what the Patriots would automatically get even if they had never franchised Cassel as a compensatory pick as I said right in point #3 of my original post. What I am saying is that we know that they are going to get more than a #3 for sure. The reason we know that is because without franchising him they would get a #3 even without the franchise tag!



2. Cassel doesn't suck and chances are whatever team you root for, cassel is better than your qb. Not sure, but chances are.


Well maybe he is better than the QB on my team but I doubt it, even though you seem pretty sure about it. You tell me, is Matt Cassel better than Tom Brady? I guess I have to ask again: dude, did you even read my post?



3. there is stilla chance brady is traded. Although it is more unlikely than cassel getting traded, there is still a chance. cassel is younger and runs better. Cassel gets the balls to guys like brady did as a rookie(not saying that cassel will be the next brady). Also, brady just came off an injury, possibly putting him in a higher risk of getting reinjured. But brady is still one of the top qbs ever no doubt, don't argue with me any other patriot fan and many other fans agree with that.


There is no chance that Tom Brady is traded. None.



4. This is not because I am a patriots fan, everything I said here is the truth, after watching many teams in the playoffs, I am very fortunate to be a Patriots fan.

You are preaching to the choir here dude. Here's some various quotes you missed in my original post:



I guess if my team sucked and I was jealous of the Patriots I'd be upset too.




I know there is a large segment of haters out there that have deluded themselves into thinking Brady is getting traded. I don't blame you, I'd hope he never played another down of football too if I was in your situation...




I must say I love all the Cassel talk. It is so funny watching the haters breathlessly try and tear Cassel down.




Welcome to another Patriots decade people!

Read it and weep.


I'm not sure how you decided I wasn't a Patriots fans with these quotes in that post?

superius
02-08-2009, 12:19 PM
Regarding L.J. when he's on he's better than all three Jordan, Morris and Maroney. The thing is that Jordan might not come back he is a free agent Morris has not lasted a full season one year while he's been in the pros. Faulk at this point is a specialist and far as Maroney is concerned well his injuries speak for themselves. The G_men have portrayed multiple Running backs and it has worked for them. I think if he(L.J.) came here he would give the Pats a Lgit #1 back. And the biggest thing is for Johnson or for any player is that he has something to PROVE. That can bold well for the Pats

Your thoughts......

I think it could give the Patriots a legitimate #1 RB but I also think Maroney *may* be able to do that too...although I admit I am pretty sure that Maroney is not going to become a #1 back.

However, I think we need to consider what the Patriots really need. How much better is the offense going to be if you improve the running back situation? In other words (1) how much better is LJ than Maroney and (2) how much better, overall, will that make the offense?

I think even if LJ turns out to be a stud for the Patriots it is a complete waste, unless LJ turns out to be a great CB or FS/SS (obviously a joke for those who didn't get it without help).

The Patriots need defensive help! Are there any objective Patriots fans out there that really want to see Hobbs as the #1 corner? How many snaps does Bruschi have left? Vrabel has been great but he had a big drop off in performance last year, how much does he have left? With Rodney Harrison likely done safety has become a much bigger problem. Getting a first rounder, rather than LJ, might allow the Patriots to draft another stud like Mayo...wouldn't that be much more preferable than having LJ on our team?

superius
02-08-2009, 12:25 PM
Like I said, the guys who the Patriots have taken a chance on before didn't have the baggage that LJ does. There very well may be a team that takes a chance on Johnson in the NFL, in fact I guarantee there is. There's just no way, IMO, that it's the Patriots.

I agree with you. If the Patriots wanted to try and rehabilitate a washed up RB, Shaun Alexander was sitting on the sofa for a few weeks. He didn't even have legal troubles, although he was the league MVP for a while.

MossIsBoss
02-08-2009, 04:52 PM
I think if the Pats go after a rb they should go after someone like edgerrin or chester taylor. The pats need to release or trade maroney even if they can't get much for him. This last year the pats running game was much better. Sammy Morris is a good back, kevin faulk is very reliable, and lamont jordan reminded me of corey dillon with his ability to hit the hole fast and have great power. The problem with morris is he is too injury prone and lamont is supposed to be a free agent and may not come back. Edge can still play, he has a good balance of speed and power and would be way better than maroney. Maroney is more injury prone than any of the pats backs and when he is healthy he cannot consistently get 3-5 yards. He can't cut very well and his power isn't very impressive, he just has straight away speed. He can have huge runs but the patriots don't need a homerun hitter, they need someone who can help move the chains and is dependable. This is why chester taylor would be great, he has not glaring weakness. Also the pats need to focus on their secondary, since the second half of 2007 the pats secondary has been vulnerable. They need to pick up a veteran or two at the cornerback position.

astavria
02-08-2009, 05:11 PM
Wow its amazing to see how many people are hatters when it comes to the Patriots. It doesnt matter if your are a pats fan or not, you have to admit that our coach is better then yours. You tell me another coach that would loose their start QB, LB,RB,SS, and still win 11 games with a QB that didnt start since high school? No other coach could do that in the NFL. I think after this year we call all agree that yes brady is talented but its the system that is the bigger 1 out of the 2.

That being said, I do believe that Matt is more trade bait then Brady but I have been torn on this ? for months. If I were the Pats I would honestly trade Brady. Matt is younger and he seems to have that intangible that good QB needs. but, brady made the Pats what they are and Im sure after a injury season he wants to come out and blow everyone away. I also think that a trade is gonna be made before the beginning of the draft bc the Pats know that Matt's mystic is only gonna last this offseason.

If I where any other team in the NFl that doesnt have a good option at QB, I would def give up my 1st rounder for him. He already has experience and why not take him over a guy who has no experience and might not pan out? At least u know Matt has succeeded in the NFL level.

What the Pats should do, is trade Matt and get a 1st and 3rd rounder. Then, trade Maroney and our 1st to KC for Johnson, and then use our pic to pick up a good defensive talent like Mayo last year. They should be looking to FA as well to solve the puzzle. Ray Lewis would be a nice addition to Mayo, and Thomas. Also is Harrison coming back next year?

JMDTM
02-08-2009, 05:40 PM
how much cap space do the pats have for FA's j/w?

superius
02-08-2009, 06:01 PM
how much cap space do the pats have for FA's j/w?

Dunno how reliable but this was from Scout.com

13. New England -- $21m under – This figure doesn’t count the (gulp) $14.8m one-year tender for Matt Cassel. If they tag Cassel they’ll have $28 million cap dollars tied up in 2 quarterbacks. However, they can make it work. DE Richard Seymour, OT Matt Light, WR Randy Moss, LB Adalius Thomas, and DE Jarvis Green have a combined $65m in cap charges – if 3 or 4 of those guys restructure it frees up $15m easily.

So based on that they are really about 7m under with Cassel but if they get rid of him via trade they have tons of room.

The Intimidator
02-09-2009, 12:50 PM
I will assume that the Patriots will be trading Cassel, so like superius said, we'll have about 14 million to play with assuming no one re-structures. We won't spend fully to the cap, because you need some flexibility to sign players mid-season due to injuries. This is why people need to stop saying that we're going to sign 3 or 4 free agents this offseason. We'll probably sign either 1 elite player (unlikely), or two solid players (more likely).

astavria
02-09-2009, 02:54 PM
If the #s u have said are accurate then I agree with u. I also see the pats trading someone with a high cap hit and their contract runs up soon to free up some space and draft a replacement. Seymour, Wilfork and Green's contracts run up after 2009 season. ? is, do we resign Seymour when he is a FA again? Is it feasible to think that it would be a better for the Defense as a whole if we got a talented pass rusher (take pressure of secondary) rather then Seymour, who hasnt really doesnt have the sacks totals that you would want as a DE that gets paid. Wilfork is a must sign and is a young guy. Green is a good player but can be replaced as well. In my opinion, I think we should trade Seymour and collect a draft choice and sign Peppers to a contract. Peppers has 14.5 sacks last year, had an off year the year before, but the year before that he had 13.5 sacks. Seymour only had 8 and never has had more then 10. I know the linebackers are a reason for that and he opens the gaps for them, but our LBs are not as fresh as they used to be and we saw last year that if we dont get pressure on the QB, our secondary can be dismantled. Having a guy like Peppers puts more pressure and helps the LB's and secondary out more with his pressure then with Seymour's presence and strength.

astavria
02-09-2009, 02:55 PM
Seymour's health is also a concern.

superius
02-09-2009, 03:28 PM
Seymour, Wilfork and Green's contracts run up after 2009 season. ? is, do we resign Seymour when he is a FA again? Is it feasible to think that it would be a better for the Defense as a whole if we got a talented pass rusher (take pressure of secondary) rather then Seymour, who hasnt really doesnt have the sacks totals that you would want as a DE that gets paid. Wilfork is a must sign and is a young guy. Green is a good player but can be replaced as well. In my opinion, I think we should trade Seymour and collect a draft choice and sign Peppers to a contract. Peppers has 14.5 sacks last year, had an off year the year before, but the year before that he had 13.5 sacks. Seymour only had 8 and never has had more then 10. I know the linebackers are a reason for that and he opens the gaps for them, but our LBs are not as fresh as they used to be and we saw last year that if we dont get pressure on the QB, our secondary can be dismantled. Having a guy like Peppers puts more pressure and helps the LB's and secondary out more with his pressure then with Seymour's presence and strength.

I think that sacks are a bit of an overrated stat. Obviously they are nice to get because they move the villains back and the clock keeps running but I think QB rushes, hits and just overall pressure is a more valuable consideration. That said, I didn't see a lot of pressure this past year.

Even worse, with the way our defense is set up there needs to be at least one credible CB and a credible S in the backfield or teams will have continued success passing. I don't think this changes even if the team starts to get more sacks. The big three upfront are really run blockers and I think that this works out really well. I think I'd rather have them all together to continue shutting down a villain's running game but..dropping say Seymour and getting secondary help doesn't seem to be a wise move if that guy just has to stack in the box and not defend the pass.

The ideal situation in my mind is to keep the defense as is with relatively minor changes. We don't need to add a guy like Ashumouga (however it's spelled) if:
1. Merriweather adds some strength during the offseason. His constant broken tackles tell me that he isn't strong enough. However is blitzes in the later part of the season looked really good and I think if he handles his tackling problems he will fill the safety role nicely.

2. We need a credible corner. Deltha Oneil was torched over and over and I don't think Hobbs is a legitimate #1 CB. He *can* fill in as a #1 CB if we could pick up a corner with equal skill to Hobbs to handle the other side. They don't need to be a top corner...just credible. I think once you strengthen the back field a little then you can unleash guys like Vrabel and Thomas for more up front pressure. But right now it's tough to do that when a too much pressure will simply result in Oneil being torched.

3. Drop Bruschi. I think this guy is done. I know it is viewed as outrageous in some circles to say anything bad about this guy but if we are going to get pressure up front I think a faster, stronger ILB is needed. Even an average ILB with speed, next to Mayo, could be a force.

I dunno if this makes any sense. I'm sorta shooting from the hip, off top of my head. This may all be crap after reviewing it later, lol.

kbjohnson26
02-12-2009, 05:17 PM
All I want to know is.. Whats up with all the Madden Football talk.. All these "fantasy" type deals the Pats should make. Are we talking about the same team? Yeah they signed Adalius T. to a big deal, but look at everyone else? They traded a 4th rounder for Moss. They will always look at Value. Why try and trade for Larry Johnson?!? What ranking was the Patriots Rushing last season. I think it was like 6th or something like that. There are always possiblities that the Pats will try and grab a free agent. But it has to be about value.

And then of course you have the "maybe we should trade Tom Brady" threads. Cassel showed that he deserves a chance to start somewhere, but trading one of the top 3 QB's of our generation. C'mon........

I think the pats will do what they do best this offseason. Have a solid draft. Maybe look for some value in a trade and definitely look at the Phins, Bills, and Jets, for some talent to bring via FA. There is also alot of talented FA's this year as well.

bagwell368
02-12-2009, 07:10 PM
Even worse, with the way our defense is set up there needs to be at least one credible CB and a credible S in the backfield or teams will have continued success passing.

Agree on the CB, all we need is some .2 notches better then Hobbs, and we are looking good, we may have already have one on the roster. S - sure, but we may have one there as well.


3. Drop Bruschi. I think this guy is done. I know it is viewed as outrageous in some circles to say anything bad about this guy but if we are going to get pressure up front I think a faster, stronger ILB is needed. Even an average ILB with speed, next to Mayo, could be a force.

So true, Brushchi when on the field was the worst of the 11 players. The reason we needed the old timers was to cut his play count down. Boy did he suck.


I dunno if this makes any sense. I'm sorta shooting from the hip, off top of my head. This may all be crap after reviewing it later, lol.

Oh no, its quite good, keep going.

superius
02-12-2009, 11:27 PM
Agree on the CB, all we need is some .2 notches better then Hobbs, and we are looking good, we may have already have one on the roster. S - sure, but we may have one there as well.


I agree with you that we may already have our secondary guys too (I'm assuming you mean from the last draft with Wilhite and Wheatley I think their names were?). Still I wouldn't mind throwing a veteran presence back there for a year or two to share time with them even if it's just for mentoring and to take some pressure off. I'm a little worried about Hobbs tutoring the new guys since it seems like every time I see the guy he is lining up 10 yards off the WR....which I find very odd considering he is pretty fast.



So true, Brushchi when on the field was the worst of the 11 players. The reason we needed the old timers was to cut his play count down. Boy did he suck.

Ya I mean I remember thinking how great it was when he came back from the stroke and it was super inspirational but the cold hard facts are that this is a business. He's slow and has to go.

cocossox
02-13-2009, 02:40 AM
pats fans have cassel so over valued its not even funny... he has quickly gone from one of the most underrated to one of the most overrated players in the entire leagueI agree all in a measly 15 games played.