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QuickLikeBarry
02-06-2009, 11:33 AM
I am just curious what everyone thinks of our 2009 starting roster?

C - Laird
1B - Cabrera
2B - Polanco
SS - Everett
3B - Inge
DH - Sheffield

LF - Guillen
CF - Granderson
RF - Ordonez

SP - Verlander
SP - Galaragga
SP - Bonderman
SP - Jackson
SP - Willis, Robertson, Miner

C - Lyon
SU - Rodney
SU - Zumaya

I think I like everything except Adam Everett, I hate this guy, he is a sub-par defender as of late and is a waste of a batting spot. Just curious what everyone else thinks.

mark1125
02-06-2009, 03:03 PM
I am just curious what everyone thinks of our 2009 starting roster?

C - Laird
1B - Cabrera
2B - Polanco
SS - Everett
3B - Inge
DH - Sheffield

LF - Guillen
CF - Granderson
RF - Ordonez

SP - Verlander
SP - Galaragga
SP - Bonderman
SP - Jackson
SP - Willis, Robertson, Miner

C - Lyon
SU - Rodney
SU - Zumaya

I think I like everything except Adam Everett, I hate this guy, he is a sub-par defender as of late and is a waste of a batting spot. Just curious what everyone else thinks.

One spot that really concerns me is Guillen in LF. Between him and Ordonez, Grandy will have a lot of running to do. As injury prone as Guillen is, he will get hurt by June. He is a DH at this time and we have Sheff there.

I am content with the rotaion, but I still don't trust the pen. I think Lyon will be OK and Zumaya should improve if he can stay healthy. My feelings about Rodney are well known. I won't go beyond that. I still state that I have little to no confidence in anyone currently slated for the pen. I am hoping that one of the kids will tear it up in the minors and give us a boost, but I am not at all sold on Dolsi, Seay, Rapada, etc.

I am curious to see what happens to Miner. He needs to start and would like to see him get a shot. I hope they can manage to unload Willis and/or Nate. I fear that Miner will be dealt or relegated to the pen.

I am OK with Everett (albiet not thrilled). His defense is still light years ahead of Renteria at this point. i would have preferred to see Santiago get a shot if we were looking for a slick fielding/light hitting SS, but at $1 million, I am OK with it. Should he stink or get hurt, we don't have much invested and could easily be cut.

I also hope that my lack of confidence in Inge is proven wrong. He HAS to hit .240 to justify in the lineup at a power position. He is good with the glove, but that is negated by his rally killing ways IMO. .210 won't get it done. If he falters, give Larish a legit shot if he dopes well in Toledo.

Rodney Stuckey
02-06-2009, 03:04 PM
I am just curious what everyone thinks of our 2009 starting roster?

C - Laird
1B - Cabrera
2B - Polanco
SS - Everett
3B - Inge
DH - Sheffield

LF - Guillen
CF - Granderson
RF - Ordonez

SP - Verlander
SP - Galaragga
SP - Bonderman
SP - Jackson
SP - Willis, Robertson, Miner

C - Lyon
SU - Rodney
SU - Zumaya

I think I like everything except Adam Everett, I hate this guy, he is a sub-par defender as of late and is a waste of a batting spot. Just curious what everyone else thinks.

As long as he plays nasty defense i really wont care about how much he will sux at the plate?!

durtee
02-06-2009, 05:39 PM
I am just curious what everyone thinks of our 2009 starting roster?

C - Laird
1B - Cabrera
2B - Polanco
SS - Everett
3B - Inge
DH - Sheffield

LF - Guillen
CF - Granderson
RF - Ordonez

SP - Verlander
SP - Galaragga
SP - Bonderman
SP - Jackson
SP - Willis, Robertson, Miner

C - Lyon
SU - Rodney
SU - Zumaya

I think I like everything except Adam Everett, I hate this guy, he is a sub-par defender as of late and is a waste of a batting spot. Just curious what everyone else thinks.

Guillen in left is pretty scary. I really wish that somehow we could deal Sheff and stick Guillen at DH. I think that the pitching staff has potential and the bullpen should be much improved if Zumaya and Rodney can stay healthy. The lineup should still be very good, but I am the lack of speed. Overall I am pretty happy with the roster this year, hopefully a bounce back year for the Tigers.

JMDTM
02-06-2009, 07:20 PM
Guillen in left is pretty scary. I really wish that somehow we could deal Sheff and stick Guillen at DH. I think that the pitching staff has potential and the bullpen should be much improved if Zumaya and Rodney can stay healthy. The lineup should still be very good, but I am the lack of speed. Overall I am pretty happy with the roster this year, hopefully a bounce back year for the Tigers.

i say we try clete at LF and put guillen at DH and see how it works out. guillen is a hitter, and i dont see why clete couldnt play LF

durtee
02-06-2009, 08:03 PM
i say we try clete at LF and put guillen at DH and see how it works out. guillen is a hitter, and i dont see why clete couldnt play LF

Yeah I would be cool with that. I was a big fan of Joyce, but since he is gone I agree that they should try Clete out. Nothing wrong with another left handed batter added to the lineup. I guess we will see in spring training..right now I am getting excited for the season.

Bondomania
02-06-2009, 09:23 PM
where does sheff go then? If Guillen goes to DH then we need to get rid of Sheff. I would be okay with getting rid of Sheff and using Guillen as a DH and moving Clete to LF assuming Clete is okay by spring training. Clete underwent Tommy john surgery before the end of the season.

drewstantontime
02-07-2009, 01:23 AM
TRADE SHEFF AND EITHER ROBERTSON OR WILLIS FOR PROSPECTS AND REPLENISH OUR FARM SYSTEM.

C-Laird
1st-Cabrera
2nd-Polonco
SS-Everett
3rd-Inge
LF-Clete Thomas
CF-Granderson
RF-Ordonez
DH-Guillen

Starting 5
Verlander
Bonderman
Jackson
Galaraga
Robertson

C-Lyon
SU-Zumaya
SU-Rodney
BP-Miner
BP-Seay
BP-Dolsi

dan48609
02-07-2009, 10:58 AM
[QUOTE=drewstantontime;8278203]TRADE SHEFF AND EITHER ROBERTSON OR WILLIS FOR PROSPECTS AND REPLENISH OUR FARM SYSTEM.

I don't think Sheff, Willis and or Robertson can be traded for prospects. If any thing we'll end up giving them away and paying part of their salary. Their making to much money for any one to want.

mark1125
02-07-2009, 11:14 AM
Trading Sheff, Willis, and/or Robertson would not get anything of substance right now. We would either:

A) Eat a large portion of their salaries and recv a so-so prospect.
B) Essentially give them away
C) Take on another teams crappy contract (Milwood, Padilla, etc)

Maybe we could get something for them if the start off decent. Sheff has expiring contract so if he does well and the Tigers are out of it, he could net something at the deadline.

Moneytime27
02-07-2009, 07:34 PM
Gerald Laird Im warming up to im beginning to think he will be a very nice catcher for us and being 29 he can be a long term solution while they draft develop catchers, Miguel Cabrera will be comfortable in his surroundings and settled in at first and should have a huge year, Polanco and Ordonez are interesting because both are potential UFA and they could have huge years but the Tigers could easily be out of contention and possibly move both at the deadline. Adam Everett is what he is a low risk signing I expected much more out of Edgar Renteria and was greatly disappointed so even if Everett gets hurt or sucks they didnt break the bank and I can live with Ramon Santiago, Brandon Inge im not a fan of but believe he's the most important piece now that he's back at 3rd and not pouting about anything he needs to produce at the plate. Guillen will probably get hurt at Left but we still have Thames and Larish to fill the void, Sheffield I believe will have a very nice year he's healthy and hasnt been that way in a few years, I believe he'll be motivated to show he can still play and even though Im done with him after this year I would love to see a huge year production wise, Pitching wise Verlander back to form and Bonderman should at least make them better, Galarraga will take a step back but Dontrelle Willis or Nate Robertson will probably be solid, I believe one of them will be traded in spring. Edwin Jackson is young still with experience and potential upside, the bullpen is still a question mark Brandon Lyon may be ok, Rodney and Zumaya though can never be counted on but at the same time could still be great, Casey Fien or Ryan Perry could make an instant impact though. all in all this team will be much better then last year and a strong start to the season will go along way, the Central isnt a strong division and the opposite tends to take place of what you would expect Tigers Twins White Sox and Indians all have the same inconsistencies year in and year out, I would give the Tigers a 2nd or 3rd place finish realistically but winning the division is still not out of the realm of possibility

Sam_Quentin
02-07-2009, 07:34 PM
TRADE SHEFF AND EITHER ROBERTSON OR WILLIS FOR PROSPECTS AND REPLENISH OUR FARM SYSTEM.


Replenish? lol. Heres what value those guys carry:

Robertson - bad contract, on the decline, at best you'd get C graded prospect or two.

Gary Sheffield - paying half his contract might net you a D level guy, as that team will be viewing it as doing you a favor by taking on the other half of Sheff's contract. You wouldnt anything whatsoever unless you paid about 10 million of it, and even then its not worth it as you might as well just take the chance that he has one more year in him.

Dontrelle Willis- Are you kidding? You couldnt give him away for nothing.

Moneytime27
02-07-2009, 07:40 PM
by the way its great to be talking baseball again with less then a week till spring training its been way too long. and the never ending ramblings of wether the Lions should draft a QB or an OT. or the Pistons sucking and need to trade everybody talk or the Redwings being so good we have to pretend to dissect and over analyze them has gotten old and redundant. Go Tigers

drewstantontime
02-09-2009, 11:52 AM
Replenish? lol. Heres what value those guys carry:

Robertson - bad contract, on the decline, at best you'd get C graded prospect or two.

Gary Sheffield - paying half his contract might net you a D level guy, as that team will be viewing it as doing you a favor by taking on the other half of Sheff's contract. You wouldnt anything whatsoever unless you paid about 10 million of it, and even then its not worth it as you might as well just take the chance that he has one more year in him.

Dontrelle Willis- Are you kidding? You couldnt give him away for nothing.


The point is, I would trade them away for a pencil sharpener. If we could get anything, even a close to nothing prospect, id do it.

Sam_Quentin
02-09-2009, 08:07 PM
The point is, I would trade them away for a pencil sharpener. If we could get anything, even a close to nothing prospect, id do it.

Oh i agree absolutely, i'd literally take nothing in return to get rid of those guys. My issue was just with you using the word replenish, as that signifies getting prospects of value in return.

dddtfan
02-10-2009, 02:03 AM
Clete had some kind of surgery and won't be available till mid summer...That does open a door for either Wilkin Ramirez and/or Caspar Wells at least temporarily.

I think that Thames hasn't been traded yet primarily because Guillen is injury prone and at that moment because Clete is not available AND Ramirez and/or Wells haven't had a spring training opportunity to impress yet, Thames is probably the insurance policy at this time. Given my druthers, I'd rather be minus Thames's salary and have that role filled by Hessman. I view the 2 of them as offensive equivalents, while Hessman is better defensively, at more positions to boot, and also cheaper.

Sheffield won't get traded anytime soon as we aren't about to pay him to play for another team to get something mediocre in return. Our best bet is to cross our fingers, hope he has a good season in him being that he is playing for a contract, and depending on where we are near the deadline, maybe get something for him then, from a team a little more desparate than most teams are right now. Sheff would actually be MORE marketable at that time than either Nate or Dontrelle as both of those 2 have another year on their contracts and unless some big change happens with them, Sheff as a short term rent a player would make more sense to a GM I would think.

that's just me though.

Sam_Quentin
02-13-2009, 06:57 PM
Article in the Freep today about how Leyland has hopes pinned on Zumaya...i swear its like the movie Groundhog Day every season now. When for the love of god are they going to stop relying on this guy!

mark1125
02-13-2009, 08:08 PM
Article in the Freep today about how Leyland has hopes pinned on Zumaya...i swear its like the movie Groundhog Day every season now. When for the love of god are they going to stop relying on this guy!

Maybe after he blows his shoulder out playing wii bowling.

Bondomania
02-14-2009, 12:54 PM
i don't know if Leyland is pinning his hopes on Zoom.. i think though that having a healthy Zumaya definitly helps this bullpen immensly. If Zoom can somehow find a way to stay healthy, and we have a bullpen that includes a healthy Zoom, and efficient Rodney, Perry and Lyon.. then i have to say that i would be comfortable with a lead after the 6th. However, the first two players on that list need to proove that they can stay healthy and be efficient.

stanpapi
02-15-2009, 02:47 AM
Guillen in left is pretty scary. I really wish that somehow we could deal Sheff and stick Guillen at DH. I think that the pitching staff has potential and the bullpen should be much improved if Zumaya and Rodney can stay healthy. The lineup should still be very good, but I am the lack of speed. Overall I am pretty happy with the roster this year, hopefully a bounce back year for the Tigers.

You can't hide Guillen out there, and I'm not sure how his body holds up. Too many guys out of position already, or, in Inge's case, playing positions they don't have the bat for. Spring-training's barely started and it's a patch-quilt.

Bondomania
02-15-2009, 12:26 PM
annnnnddddd the negativity continues.. awesome

mark1125
02-15-2009, 02:08 PM
annnnnddddd the negativity continues.. awesome

My specific thoughts on each:

C - Laird (Don't love him or hate him. Best option available)
1B - Cabrera (I don't think I need to say I am very happy with 1B)
2B - Polanco (Happy with 2B as long as he continues his solid play)
SS - Everett (If healthy, I am happy if he plays GG defense and hits .230)
3B - Inge (Not a fan. He HAS to hit at least .240 to justify a spot)
DH - Sheffield (I don't like it because this is where Guillen needs to be. I hope Sheff is out to earn a contract and gives us decent production)

LF - Guillen (As a DH, I like Guillen. As a LF, I hate it. He will get hurt out there and I don't see him playing well at all defensively)
CF - Granderson (Love Curtis at bat and in the field)
RF - Ordonez (Not a great fielder, but gotta love the production)

SP - Verlander (I expect a bouncbeack year)
SP - Galaragga (may regress slightly, but still should be solid)
SP - Bonderman (Could be comeback player of the year IMO)
SP - Jackson (Mixed feelings. Lots of upside, but contol and lack of K's are a concern)
SP - Willis, Robertson, Miner I like Miner the best of the 3 and I think he would be a decent #4. I think the fact that he is inexpensive and a righty may land him in the pen or on another team. The Tigers may feel obligated to pitch one of the highly paid lefties in the rotation. I guess whoever pitches the best in spring should get it and keep them on a short leash. Ideally, I would like to see all 3 have a great spring and deal off Nate or Willis. A guy can hope.

C - Lyon Jones with a few more K's. Not thrilled, but I also did not endorse spending huge on a K-Rod.
SU - Rodney I HATE him. Not good. Yuck, phooey, ick, etc.
SU - Zumaya If healthy, he would be a nice boost to the pen. I have my doubts that he can do that. I also question his mentality to be more than a 7th inning guy which would be OK I suppose.


Bench- Thames, Santiago, Rayburn, Treanor. Not great. Not horrible. Rayburn is flexible, Santiago has a great glove and does the little things, Treanor is what you would expect from a BU catcher. Thames I see being dealt.

Pen- Seay, Dolsi, ??????. Not sure what to think of this lot. I am hoping one or more of the kids have a great spring. Maybe this Bloom kid can have a good spring and make it as a lefty specialist and be a good find from the Rule 5.

What do I like? No shock, we have some good bats with Grandy, Maggs, Cabrera, Poly, etc. We are improved defensively. We still have holes, but a healthy Everett (or Santiago) is an upgrade on Renteria. Laird is reportedly a good backstop. Inge (love him or hate him), should be a good glove at 3B. I think the rotation will improve quite a bit with Bonderman returning, Verlander should rebound. Jackson could be a suprise. Competition for the 5th spot should be good. I have to imagine one of them will grab the spot by the throat. I love the addition of Knapp. Lets see what he can do about Willis, Nate, et al.

What do I dislike? For starters, Guillen in LF is a trainwreck. He is not a LF and he WILL get hurt. I have concerns about having Inge and Everett in the lineup. One automatic out is OK. 2 is cause for concern. Inge needs to put up at least .240 to justify a spot in a power position. Of course the bullpen is a big concern. Lyon should be an improvement over Jones, but after that, it may be ugly. Zumaya and Rodney have big questions about their durability and mindset. Seay is iffy as is everyone else. We could get a 06'ish boost from kids. Again, one can hope. Once again, our lack of speed and hitters that do the little things concerns me.

Under-rated moves-Grabbing Knapp as PC should provide immediate dividends. The rotation got a bad rap after last year (rightfully so), but improved health and depth (along with Knapp) should improve the numbers.

Over-rated moves. Lyon while an improvement over Jones will disappoint anyone expecting a lights out closer. He will be a roller coaster ride. He will be adequate, but he will give us some anxious moments as well.

Best case scenerio-Knapp works wonders with the likes of Willis, Jackson, Zumaya, Rodney, and the kids and the staff goes back to 06' form. Everett stays healthy all season and brings a gold glove to Detroit. Bonderman remains healthy and can get beyond his 1st inning woes. Inge hits over.240 with 20+ HR and plays good 3B. Guillen suprises all his critics by playing acceptable defense and stays fairly healthy. In the balanced AL Central, the Tigers COULD win if these things happen.

Worst case scenerio- Guillen becomes the trainwreck expected in LF. Inge and Everett hit under .225 each. Sheffield slides closer to retirment. Bonderman, Zumaya, and Rodney health woes continue. None of the kids prove ready for the show leaving us with Dolsi, Seay, Rapada etc. Lyon shows that the 2nd half of last season is the norm. The AL catches up to Galaraga. We struggle and once again flirt with last place.

What do I realistically expect? 5-7 games over .500. I see the rotation improving. I expect a monster year from Maggs, Cabrera and good years from Grandy, Polanco. I still see the pen being an area of weakness. I also think that we better come up with a good plan B for if/when the Guillen in LF experiment fails. Also, Inge hitting under .220 again in full time duty is a very realistic possibility and one that could cost us.


PS. If Inge is hitting under .230 in June and Larish is playing well, put him in.

mkool65
02-15-2009, 04:16 PM
Larish is worse at the plate than Inge, I could not stand him last year. Like everyone else on here I am a bit concerned with LF and our bats at the bottom of the order. I think we will be in the playoff hunt come September and am really excited for this season to start. I have huge hopes for Bondo this year.

Bondomania
02-16-2009, 01:27 AM
Larish is worse at the plate than Inge, I could not stand him last year.

hahahahahahaha!!!!!... what a joke of a comment. You do realize that Inge hit .202 on the year?? Larish finished around .250 and also hit over .400 with RISP. Also, Larish went through a slump at one point and was starting to rebound down the stretch to bring his avg. back up. Inge cannot hit a breaking ball to save his life.. is a strikeout machine.. and consistantly struggles with RISP.

And i guess my point with the negativity is.. we are two days into spring training and people are already ready to dismiss this team.. I think that we at least have to wait for some actual games before people start throwing in the towel. This team has question marks sure.. but we have to wait for those question marks play out before people start saying the season is over.

ruckus16969
02-16-2009, 05:08 AM
looks good on paper

mkool65
02-16-2009, 02:53 PM
hahahahahahaha!!!!!... what a joke of a comment. You do realize that Inge hit .202 on the year?? Larish finished around .250 and also hit over .400 with RISP. Also, Larish went through a slump at one point and was starting to rebound down the stretch to bring his avg. back up. Inge cannot hit a breaking ball to save his life.. is a strikeout machine.. and consistantly struggles with RISP.


There is nobody on this team I hate more than Larish. Kid looks scared at the plate and I do not remember him doing **** at the plate last year. Inge has had seasons of being a decent hitter. He hit .287 in 04 and .263 and .251 the years after, obviously he has not been very good since but he has got some clutch hits and always had some power. Larish had 34 strike outs in 104 at bats. Maybe Larish has a higher ceiling and is better statistically but I can not stand watching him bat, even more so than Inge.

Bondomania
02-16-2009, 03:08 PM
Inge is a rally killer who hasn't been good in 2 years. Larish produced when he was in the lineup for the start of the game.. he struggled coming off the bench to pinch hit... mainly because he was being brought in against a lot of closers to get a lefty power bat in there.. Inge has some power.. i guess you can make that argument.. but the majority of pitches he hits out are fastballs and he will never hit more than 20 in a season again... because all you have to do is throw his something moves down and away from him or throw a firm fastball inside.. i cannot stand inge's stupid ****ing check swing strikeout.. or his stupid check swing groundballs.. I hate watching inge at the plate more than anyone in the league.. he is absolutly brutal.. oh yeah and outside of the 3 year period in which you mentioned.. Inge has been a very bad hitter at the plate.. posting batting averages of .202, .203, .236, and .203.. and he is part of the problems with the offense.. doesn't hit for average.. doesn't put the ball in play.. strikes out way to much.. doesn't take to many walks.. and doesn't hit with RISP

Nikolishin
02-16-2009, 03:22 PM
honestly we could have kept guillen at ss i mean he was an all star ss what 2 years ago?

Bondomania
02-16-2009, 09:15 PM
a lot of things can change in 2 years. Guillen's range was disappearing quickly and it was taking a toll on his body and he was having trouble staying healthy. If anything, it seems like he should have stayed at 3B.. he made the All-Star team last year as a 3rd basemen.. and he was really starting to adapt well to the position and had the bat to back it up.. whereas we have enough depth in the organization at the outfield position that we could have used a guy like Thames, Clevlen, Wells, Ramirez, or Thomas in LF and we would be better off from a defensive standpoint

mark1125
02-16-2009, 09:42 PM
Ideally, Guillen should be DH, but we have the Sheff for one more year unless we can deal him off. As Bondo said, his range was vanishing rapidly and his body is unable to handle the rigors of the position.

In regards to Inge, I don't care if he is Brooks Robinson at 3B, there is now way we could have another sub .210 average over there.

Bondomania
02-16-2009, 10:15 PM
exactly.. i read that he is trying to change his batting stance to make him more effective at the plate.. so we will see.. i am not going to hold my breath but we will see. I think if he gets off to a slow start at the plate he could start losing starts to Larish and Inge would become more of a late inning defensive replacement.. something i think that the Tigers should do anyways. I think that a combo of Larish and Inge everygame would be extremely effective. Hear me out on this.. Larish gets all the starts against right handed pitchers, and he goes 6 or 7 innings every game.. this gets him roughly 3 AB's per game. Then Inge comes in in the 7th or 8th depending on the score and situation. I mean if you think about the course of the game.. how many game saving plays are made at 3B early in the game. This combo would get Larish's left bat in the lineup.. something we badly need! and would also utilize Inge's defense late in the game

Sam_Quentin
02-16-2009, 11:31 PM
Inge is a rally killer who hasn't been good in 2 years. Larish produced when he was in the lineup for the start of the game.. he struggled coming off the bench to pinch hit... mainly because he was being brought in against a lot of closers to get a lefty power bat in there.. Inge has some power.. i guess you can make that argument.. but the majority of pitches he hits out are fastballs and he will never hit more than 20 in a season again... because all you have to do is throw his something moves down and away from him or throw a firm fastball inside.. i cannot stand inge's stupid ****ing check swing strikeout.. or his stupid check swing groundballs.. I hate watching inge at the plate more than anyone in the league.. he is absolutly brutal.. oh yeah and outside of the 3 year period in which you mentioned.. Inge has been a very bad hitter at the plate.. posting batting averages of .202, .203, .236, and .203.. and he is part of the problems with the offense.. doesn't hit for average.. doesn't put the ball in play.. strikes out way to much.. doesn't take to many walks.. and doesn't hit with RISP

Larish from the second i saw him reminds me of Eric Munson...which isnt a good thing. But i agree on Inge, he's much worse at the plate. The reason im really not that high on the Everett signing is because Inge is at 3B. I dont like what amounts to 2 sure outs at the bottom of the order. Inge does have some pop, but like you said he doesnt do anything else. Its really either a homer or no contribution at all. I hate guys like that. Wouldnt mind seeing Larish get a shot at least anyway if he's ok defensively. Doesnt need to be a gold glover or anything..

drewstantontime
02-18-2009, 02:59 PM
agreed, Although Inge is pretty fun to watch play 3rd. Hes pretty underrated, Larish can have some pop too, and i think with Larrish you get more batting average to go with those homers. More singles and doubles, which turns into more RBI's, which turns into more wins, which turns into more Allstars, which turns into more Championships, and yadda yadda yadda.

ThreeIfBaerga
02-20-2009, 10:51 AM
Quick question here, from a guy who went to high school with Casper Wells and was friends with his sisters. . .

What is the general opinion on this kid? He mashed last year, and apparently is spending ST next to Gary Sheffield. Any chance he makes the team as a 4th outfielder?

theoldgoalie
02-20-2009, 01:48 PM
annnnnddddd the negativity continues.. awesome

There goes Mr. Papi again! Trust me buddy, the pitching is going to rebound nicely and the improved defense will get us back the 14 games and with a little bit of offense and bullpen help, we'll be above .500 in no time flat.
I really think it'll come back together again, though I just can't help but think that if Sheffield faulters in any way (physically and verbally), Guillen will be playing DH and the next left field candidate will come up to play (There's a lot to choose from, but Mr. Larish better be paying particular attention). They need to figure out whether they want to keep Ordonez and my inclination is that he will keep popping the ball and slowly work into the DH spot (by 2010-2011). The battle for the number 5 starter is a good thing and the fact that we have 3 guys who can make in impact show our depth. My guess is that Willis shows up this year and Robertson/Miner become an outstanding R/L mid-relief combo. Guys like Lyon, Seay, Rodney, Zumaya and Perry will do alright in the back end. No worries man! My prediction: 92-70, First/Wildcard, Rick Porcello see's his first major league appearance during late season call-ups and wins. What happens after that is destiny. Can't wait for opening day! Got my plane tickets, got my game tickets and the vacation time is on the books!

mark1125
02-20-2009, 02:54 PM
Quick question here, from a guy who went to high school with Casper Wells and was friends with his sisters. . .

What is the general opinion on this kid? He mashed last year, and apparently is spending ST next to Gary Sheffield. Any chance he makes the team as a 4th outfielder?

If the Tigers trade Thames and Wells exploded in ST, then there is a chance. More than likely, they would rather have him in the minors gettig regular playing time. Anything is possible though and trades, injuries, etc can change the best laid plans.

Bondomania
02-20-2009, 03:56 PM
I don't think Wells will make the 40 man roster. He had a solid year last year, and mashed in fallball.. but i think that he would be better suited to play in AAA this year where he will get constant AB's and allow him to continue to progress as a player. The last thing we want to do is have Wells on the team and have him sitting on the bench when he could be playing everyday in AAA. It isn't a knock against him, i just think that it would be better for his career. I think IF the tigers find themselves out of the race by the All-Star break, Guillen could get shipped out and Wells or Ramirez could get called up. I think IF Wells mashes in ST and shows that he is ready and we are able to deal Guillen then i would say let him stay. He has a bright future, but he is going to have to continue to hit and proove that it wasn't a one year thing.

pistons.fan.11
02-20-2009, 04:57 PM
I don't think Wells will make the 40 man roster. He had a solid year last year, and mashed in fallball.. but i think that he would be better suited to play in AAA this year where he will get constant AB's and allow him to continue to progress as a player. The last thing we want to do is have Wells on the team and have him sitting on the bench when he could be playing everyday in AAA. It isn't a knock against him, i just think that it would be better for his career. I think IF the tigers find themselves out of the race by the All-Star break, Guillen could get shipped out and Wells or Ramirez could get called up. I think IF Wells mashes in ST and shows that he is ready and we are able to deal Guillen then i would say let him stay. He has a bright future, but he is going to have to continue to hit and proove that it wasn't a one year thing.

The Tigers overall have a bright future. All we here is that the Tigers have a "depleted" farm system. Albeit it's true, but the prospects we have are good prospects. By 2010-2011, Iorg, Wells, Ramirez, Perry, and Porcello are all on the Major League squad, getting regular playing time.

But, I agree that Wells and Ramirez would be better served to spend this year with the Hens. But if an injury strikes... *Knocks on wood*... Expect 1 of those 2 aforementioned OF's to make it in the Bigs.

Bondomania
02-20-2009, 06:53 PM
they aren't elite prospects.. but they have the potential to be big league contributers.. I think Wells has more potential than Ramirez. Ramirez seems to take a while to adjust to the next level that he ascends to.. whereas Wells didn't seem to take much time to adjust to AA.

pistons.fan.11
02-20-2009, 11:18 PM
they aren't elite prospects.. but they have the potential to be big league contributers.. I think Wells has more potential than Ramirez. Ramirez seems to take a while to adjust to the next level that he ascends to.. whereas Wells didn't seem to take much time to adjust to AA.

True. They aren't elite prospects. I'll give you that. And I agree that Wells has more potential.
But back to the "eliteness" of our prospects. No, they aren't elite. But they are good prospects nonetheless. They have/are showing what they can do in the Minors, and when they are ready, they will contribute.
No, we don't have any Mannys or A-Rods, but those types of prospects are hard to come by.

But, I beg to differ about Perry and Porcello not being so called elite prospects. They have about as much potential as any 1 prospect can have. Those 2 have potential to be great. Great as in Cy Young competitors, at least for Porcello. I think we can all agree we need to see more from Perry, but what we've seen so far has been nothing short of spectacular.

pistons1987
02-21-2009, 09:33 AM
outfield defense will be an issue unless they can spell guillen and ordonez with thames every few games. it makes it worse when we dont have good groundball pitchers in the lineup. but overall we are better defensively on the infield and should make the playoffs with this offense

pistons.fan.11
02-21-2009, 11:05 AM
outfield defense will be an issue unless they can spell guillen and ordonez with thames every few games. it makes it worse when we dont have good groundball pitchers in the lineup. but overall we are better defensively on the infield and should make the playoffs with this offense

In case you didn't know... Guillen played LF early in his career. He should be just fine. Not to mention in CF, you have one of the best defenders in the game today. And in RF, Ordonez isn't a liability. We'll be just fine with our outfield defense.

(By the way, my opinion, Thames isn't the greatest defender either)

Cubano
02-22-2009, 12:40 AM
I spoke to a friend of mine that has some contacts in the Dominican R. where some Cuban players seek free agency. There is a rumor that the Tigers are offering 3.5 millions to a Cuban SS/2B. His name is Jose Iglesias and he was playing 2B for the Cuban Junior team in Canada last year before defecting with LHP Noel Arguelles. Later, another pitcher defected too. Iglesias used to play SS for the Havana Cowboys of the Cuban league. He has good hands and he is a contact hitter.

By the way, I have this blog about Cuban baseball if anyone likes to check it out.

http://cubanballplayers.blogspot.com/

Bondomania
02-22-2009, 04:19 PM
But, I beg to differ about Perry and Porcello not being so called elite prospects. They have about as much potential as any 1 prospect can have. Those 2 have potential to be great. Great as in Cy Young competitors, at least for Porcello. I think we can all agree we need to see more from Perry, but what we've seen so far has been nothing short of spectacular.

Where did i ever say Perry and Porcello weren't elite prospects?? They are as elite as they come.. i said Wells and Ramirez weren't elite.. and you basically restated what i said. I said they would be big league contributers..

pistons.fan.11
02-22-2009, 10:21 PM
Where did i ever say Perry and Porcello weren't elite prospects?? They are as elite as they come.. i said Wells and Ramirez weren't elite.. and you basically restated what i said. I said they would be big league contributers..

My mistake. I must've mis-read your posting, and mixed it with something else I read. Sorry.

Bondomania
02-22-2009, 11:17 PM
its all good man.. i was just confused.. I think the world of Porcello and Perry and Iorg.. and i read that the Tigers had Perry work on a 2 seamer with more movement to complement his 4 seamer.. i would like to see Perry tried as a starter at some point because i think he has the arsenal of a frontline starter.. whether that translates to major league success is yet to be seen..

pistons.fan.11
02-23-2009, 05:11 PM
its all good man.. i was just confused.. I think the world of Porcello and Perry and Iorg.. and i read that the Tigers had Perry work on a 2 seamer with more movement to complement his 4 seamer.. i would like to see Perry tried as a starter at some point because i think he has the arsenal of a frontline starter.. whether that translates to major league success is yet to be seen..

Yeah. I feel the same. And I also read about Perry's new 2-seamer. I also think he needs to get a chance at starting. It's if he can get the chance.

Bondomania
02-23-2009, 08:13 PM
yeah.. i think if a guy like Fien, Satterwhite, Weinhardt, Jacobson or Green can step up and show they can handle late innings it will allow the Tigers to give Perry a chance in the rotation. However, he needs to get better at hiding the ball through his delivery. That's his one major flaw and why he struggled as a starter. He has a tendency to let his shoulder fly open and hitters can see the ball longer which makes it more hittable. I dunno, i really wish all the spring training games were televised. I really just want to see what we have in the minors and see these guys in action to see what the Tigers lineup could look like in a few years. Especially see some of the young arms we have coming through the system.

Bondomania
02-23-2009, 08:19 PM
Oh yeah.. i also think Perry's fait could be determined by who we end up getting in this year's draft. If a guy like Crow falls to us then Perry could have a tough time getting into the rotation with the first 3 spots already occupied by Verlander, Bonderman, and Porcello. Willis seems to be rebounding nicely according to early reports.. so he would be the 4th starter leaving 1 more spot. We could have a sick *** rotation in a year or two. Hell, i think if the Tigers are out of it by the deadline they should consider selling high on a guy like Galarraga because his value will never be any higher considering he isn't Arb. eligible until 2011.. so he would be cheap and he is an superb 3rd-5th starter in the league..

pistons.fan.11
02-23-2009, 10:02 PM
Oh yeah.. i also think Perry's fait could be determined by who we end up getting in this year's draft. If a guy like Crow falls to us then Perry could have a tough time getting into the rotation with the first 3 spots already occupied by Verlander, Bonderman, and Porcello. Willis seems to be rebounding nicely according to early reports.. so he would be the 4th starter leaving 1 more spot. We could have a sick *** rotation in a year or two. Hell, i think if the Tigers are out of it by the deadline they should consider selling high on a guy like Galarraga because his value will never be any higher considering he isn't Arb. eligible until 2011.. so he would be cheap and he is an superb 3rd-5th starter in the league..

Also don't forget about Edwin Jackson. He is a young guy, with good stuff, and lots of potential. In a year or two, it's gonna be a battle to the death for a rotation spot.

Also, I read a report that Perry is working with Pitching Coach Rick Knapp on that 2-seamer. Knapp is also tinkering with Perry's delivery, so that he hides the ball longer... like you said.

dddtfan
02-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Starters: JV, Bonderman, Willis, Jackson, Gallaraga.

Bullpen: Miner, Robertson, Zumaya, Rodney, Lyon, Seay, which leaves one slot.

Bloom (rule 5 pick, if not on roster goes back to Pittsburgh), McKay McBride (out of options), Williamson, Rincon, Rapada, Fein, Perry

I kind of wonder after the "stiffness" in Bondo's arm the other day, if he is ready. He could maybe start on the DL, I'd bet that Robertson would then get the 5th spot and that would leave room for Bloom AND McBride in the bully

Bondomania
02-24-2009, 06:28 PM
where did you hear Bondo had stiffness? i haven't seen anything about it. I don't think that he will start the season on the DL.. i think that if anything it is just the results of him trying to get back into seasons form since he hasn't pitched like he is currently for almost a year. I think Bloom gets one of the spots in the pen.. i heard he has looked pretty good so far, flashing mid-90's heat with a sharp curve.. coming from the leftside that is pretty nice to have. I don't think Willis and Robertson will be on the roster come opening day... it will be one or the other and the loser gets traded or released... we have enough cheap options to throw in for the lefty spot

Bondomania
02-24-2009, 06:30 PM
oh yeah.. and Leyland never has 3 lefties in the BP.. if anything it will be Lambert, or Dolsi to grab that spot..

Bondomania
02-24-2009, 06:46 PM
nevermind.. found the info on the arm stiffness.. looks to be nothing for concern.. this is direct from ESPN's fantasy update site


Feb 24 News: Bonderman (ribs) returned to the mound Tuesday, his first time throwing since suffering stiffness after his previous pitching session on Saturday, the Detroit News reports.

Spin: "I thought he looked better again. What I'm really happy about is his stiffness after each time has gotten better," said manager Jim Leyland. Bonderman's stiffness is considered normal for a pitcher at this time of season, but the Tigers do plan to give him extra rest when needed.

pistons.fan.11
02-24-2009, 07:57 PM
oh yeah.. and Leyland never has 3 lefties in the BP.. if anything it will be Lambert, or Dolsi to grab that spot..

Agreed. Willis starts, Robertson gets released. Freddy Dolsi grabs the last bullpen spot along with Bloom.

Hopefully this will sure up the 'pen a bit. I'm not hoping for a HUGE improvement, just as long as we're not last in the AL in bullpen stats.

Bondomania
02-24-2009, 08:55 PM
haha, yeah, true that.. Willis has to much upside to get cut in my opinion. Robertson is on the backside of his career and at best he is a 4th or 5th starter.. whereas if Willis is back to normal he has the upside of a 2nd or 3rd starter.

pistons.fan.11
02-24-2009, 11:29 PM
haha, yeah, true that.. Willis has to much upside to get cut in my opinion. Robertson is on the backside of his career and at best he is a 4th or 5th starter.. whereas if Willis is back to normal he has the upside of a 2nd or 3rd starter.

Agreed. As much as I like Nate as a person... (Mind you this is business...) Cutting ties with Robertson saves the Tigers cap space, eliminates a liability, and frees up a spot in the 'pen for Dolsi and Bloom.

Bondomania
02-25-2009, 12:00 AM
yeah.. i really think Mcbride will be out of luck.. Bloom is younger and has a better arm than Mcbride.. i think maybe Mcbride gets released or dealt.. maybe in a package with
Thames..

JMDTM
02-25-2009, 07:51 PM
id send mcbride, thames, and robertson to a team desperate of a SP, just for a prospect or 2.

this is what i hope to see as our starting rotation for the start of the season.

C. Laird
1B. Cabrera
2B. Polanco
SS. Everette
3B. Inge
LF. Guillen
CF. Granderson
RF. Maggs
DH. Sheff

then the starting rotation:
Verlander, Bonderman, Jackson, Gallaraga, and D Train.

then the pen should look something like this:
Seay, Rodney, Zumaya, Miner, Lyon, Bloom, Perry, and Robinson.

pistons.fan.11
02-25-2009, 09:23 PM
id send mcbride, thames, and robertson to a team desperate of a SP, just for a prospect or 2.

this is what i hope to see as our starting rotation for the start of the season.

C. Laird
1B. Cabrera
2B. Polanco
SS. Everette
3B. Inge
LF. Guillen
CF. Granderson
RF. Maggs
DH. Sheff

then the starting rotation:
Verlander, Bonderman, Jackson, Gallaraga, and D Train.

then the pen should look something like this:
Seay, Rodney, Zumaya, Miner, Lyon, Bloom, Perry, and Robinson.

I don't think Perry starts the season in the 'pen. And I'm not quite sure who Robinson is.

I think Rincon makes the 'pen because Knapp gets him back on track. I also think Fein makes the 'pen, leaving out Perry and Robinson.

dddtfan
02-26-2009, 12:30 PM
id send mcbride, thames, and robertson to a team desperate of a SP, just for a prospect or 2.



I'd like it if they could make a swap with the Pirates with Robertson for Jack Wilson. The contracts are close enough for this season, problem being Robertson is under contract for 2 more years and Wilson is only this year and an option

JMDTM
02-26-2009, 07:19 PM
And I'm not quite sure who Robinson is.

sry. i dont even no!! i think Rincon, and i think it may come down to Perry or Fein, but either way the other will be the 1st call up