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Gro_Da_Fro_Back
02-02-2009, 11:12 PM
1. Most points by a Knicks opponent. (61) Previously held by Michael Jordan(55)


2. Most points ever scored in Madison Square Garden.




WOW:clap:

JordansBulls
02-02-2009, 11:13 PM
Good job. I didn't see the game tonight, was someone talking trash or something a la JR Smith?

sacgiants1213
02-02-2009, 11:14 PM
he made wilson chandler look ********. of course he embarrasses a lot of Defenses. But, watching chandler try to guard him was just bad.

GregOden#1
02-02-2009, 11:15 PM
1. Most points by a Knicks opponent. (61) Previously held by Michael Jordan(55)

...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain's_100-point_game

DODGERS&LAKERS
02-02-2009, 11:15 PM
Good job. I didn't see the game tonight, was someone talking trash or something a la JR Smith?

No, he probably wanted to play well in front of the New York fans. They always cheer great performances and give oohs and awes for every move he makes. I think he likes the praise.

GoatMilk
02-02-2009, 11:15 PM
Good job. I didn't see the game tonight, was someone talking trash or something a la JR Smith?

he said he was PO'd that Drew went down.
and he LOVES playing in the garden

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2009, 11:15 PM
1. Most points by a Knicks opponent. (61) Previously held by Michael Jordan(55)


2. Most points ever scored in Madison Square Garden.



WOW:clap:

what kind of record is that? I dont even think its that important

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2009, 11:16 PM
Is he back to his ball hog ways now that Bynum is injured?

DODGERS&LAKERS
02-02-2009, 11:17 PM
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain's_100-point_game

I think he meant at Madison Square Garden

madiaz3
02-02-2009, 11:18 PM
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain's_100-point_game

At the new garden...

JordansBulls
02-02-2009, 11:18 PM
Is he back to his ball hog ways now that Bynum is injured?

Why would he need to be? Gasol can score as well.

madiaz3
02-02-2009, 11:18 PM
what kind of record is that? I dont even think its that important

Why isn't it? It's the greatest arena in basketball.

GregOden#1
02-02-2009, 11:21 PM
I think he meant at Madison Square Garden


At the new garden...

...

Which is the second record...making the first one...not a record...

Thanks for playing though.

Brooke
02-02-2009, 11:21 PM
Is he back to his ball hog ways now that Bynum is injured?

No he isnt, it was just one of those nights. Gasol went for 31 points

LakerKB24Fan
02-02-2009, 11:23 PM
:clap:and he did it efficiently 61 pts in 31 shots and he was 20/20 from the stripe

GoatMilk
02-02-2009, 11:25 PM
Why would he need to be? Gasol can score as well.

yeah. in fact, Pau had 31/14 on only 17 shots

Hellcrooner
02-02-2009, 11:32 PM
If they balance the number of shots Kobe can go back to average in 30s and Pau can raise up to the 22s or 23s.

Great Game.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2009, 11:33 PM
Well I think he'll hold the ball more for a couple more extra shots now that Bynum is injured and I don't see Gasol getting 20 ppg

Shaq back 2 L.A
02-02-2009, 11:34 PM
the second idk what it was but one laker announcer said that bernard king had 60 points and kobe needed 61 and he got 61.

snickers
02-02-2009, 11:34 PM
he almost broke the free-throw record which i belive is 23. he had 20 tonight.

Zefflin
02-02-2009, 11:35 PM
and I don't see Gasol getting 20 ppg

He already is...with 18ppg I believe.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2009, 11:37 PM
Why isn't it? It's the greatest arena in basketball.

ya but its those records that arent even related to basketball so much

like so what if its the greastest arena?

Kobe scored 81 at staples center(if im not mistaken). I dont think anyone was saying that 81 points was the most scored in the staples center

im just saying its not that big of a deal cuz he scored alot of points at an arena

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2009, 11:38 PM
He already is...with 18ppg I believe.

i dont think he'll average 20ppg+

I think Kobe will cover bynums points

J4KOP99
02-02-2009, 11:39 PM
My dad was at this game and I was supposed to go...

What a game and what a performance, he made some ridiculous shots

Duncan = Donkey
02-02-2009, 11:39 PM
who holds the record for most points at the staples centre, lol. Seriouley thats a lame record most points at the Garden. Other than that good game by kobe

J4KOP99
02-02-2009, 11:40 PM
ya but its those records that arent even related to basketball so much

like so what if its the greastest arena?

Kobe scored 81 at staples center(if im not mistaken). I dont think anyone was saying that 81 points was the most scored in the staples center

Does that need to be said? I think the bigger thing was that it was the 2nd highest point total ever.

Considering Wilt didnt score 100 in staples center i think it was obvious 81 pts was the highest total there.

Hellcrooner
02-02-2009, 11:41 PM
You dont see gasol getting 20 per game?

Mm he is doing like 17,5 or 18 and has like a 55 % of Fg

Bynum was taking 12 to 15 shots a game.

Give 4 of those shots and make the math dude.

PRETTY BIRD!
02-02-2009, 11:42 PM
im not surprised!

it's just Kobe Bryant!

G-Funk
02-02-2009, 11:43 PM
who holds the record for most points at the staples centre, lol. Seriouley thats a lame record most points at the Garden. Other than that good game by kobe

Kobe 81

Zefflin
02-02-2009, 11:44 PM
i dont think he'll average 20ppg+

I think Kobe will cover bynums points

So you don't think Pau will average 2 points more with Bynum being out?

... :eyebrow:

:surrender:

G-Funk
02-02-2009, 11:44 PM
The type of shots that were going in were amazing

PRETTY BIRD!
02-02-2009, 11:45 PM
mvp no doubt.....

RaptorsFanatic
02-02-2009, 11:45 PM
Kobe Bryant:

The most prolific scorer to ever play the game.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2009, 11:46 PM
Does that need to be said? I think the bigger thing was that it was the 2nd highest point total ever.

Considering Wilt didnt score 100 in staples center i think it was obvious 81 pts was the highest total there.

im just saying setting the highest scoring in an arena isnt as big of a deal. Some people dont even care about those records

Bg7getclutch
02-02-2009, 11:47 PM
im not surprised. This was a fast tempo game.

Lakers_ftw
02-02-2009, 11:47 PM
Is MSG the oldest arena where a basketball team plays ? Maybe thats why they made a big deal about the record.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2009, 11:50 PM
You dont see gasol getting 20 per game?

Mm he is doing like 17,5 or 18 and has like a 55 % of Fg

Bynum was taking 12 to 15 shots a game.

Give 4 of those shots and make the math dude.

Well i think theyll give most of those shots to the wings. Vlad, Walton, Kobe, and Vujacic will get 10 of those and Odom will get atleast 2

and even if he does get more shots, he'll only get about 20ppg for the rest of the season but he'll still average 19ppg for the season

PRETTY BIRD!
02-02-2009, 11:53 PM
im just saying setting the highest scoring in an arena isnt as big of a deal. Some people dont even care about those records

setting that record in madison square garden is big to bryant......

and obviously you care about it enough to try and put it down....

kingjanjic
02-02-2009, 11:54 PM
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain's_100-point_game

most point vs the knicks not in a single game.....

kobe is too good, its just funny that he can score such huge numbers anytime he wants to but he choices not 2

now were gonna c the true mvp, without andrew bynum, kobe has to put up those numbers to keep the lakers rolling at the top

Raps18-19 Champ
02-02-2009, 11:56 PM
setting that record in madison square garden is big to bryant......

and obviously you care about it enough to try and put it down....

i dont care about it im just telling people that it isnt that big of a deal

its big to kobe but those records dont even get remembered

PRETTY BIRD!
02-02-2009, 11:59 PM
Well i think theyll give most of those shots to the wings. Vlad, Walton, Kobe, and Vujacic will get 10 of those and Odom will get atleast 2

and even if he does get more shots, he'll only get about 20ppg for the rest of the season but he'll still average 19ppg for the season

the fact that gasol is back to being the #1 option in the post again....means more shots for him(but that should be pretty damn obvious)...unless your just trying to be a *******, and take away from the real point wich is kobe's new record!

PRETTY BIRD!
02-03-2009, 12:00 AM
i dont care about it im just telling people that it isnt that big of a deal

its big to kobe but those records dont even get remembered

i think your trying to convince yourself now!

G-Funk
02-03-2009, 12:00 AM
i dont care about it im just telling people that it isnt that big of a deal

its big to kobe but those records dont even get remembered

Kobe didn't even know that he broke a record until John Ireland pointed it out to him.

soundjunkies2
02-03-2009, 12:00 AM
...

Which is the second record...making the first one...not a record...

Thanks for playing though.

huh?:confused:

He scored the most points at MSG aswell as scored the most as an opponent at MSG..Which makes the first one a record too.

still1ballin
02-03-2009, 12:00 AM
Mvp

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 12:03 AM
Kobe didn't even know that he broke a record until John Ireland pointed it out to him.

some guy said it was big for kobe so ya i just said that

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 12:05 AM
I doubt he didn't know


Kobe didn't even know that he broke a record until John Ireland pointed it out to him.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 12:08 AM
the fact that gasol is back to being the #1 option in the post again....means more shots for him(but that should be pretty damn obvious)...unless your just trying to be a *******, and take away from the real point wich is kobe's new record!

like last year but he didnt average 20 ppg

Gasol went to the lakers about same time last year and he was taking 2 less shots and he was still the number one option in the paint but he still averaged only 19 ppg.

Ya im trying to be a *******. and mostly lakers and knicks fans will probably only remeber this record. thats what im saying

Just like how mostly Raps fans and lakers fans talk about 81 point

Shaq back 2 L.A
02-03-2009, 12:10 AM
Kobe Bryant:

The most prolific scorer to ever play the game.

VERY TRUE MY FRIEND VERY TRUE:speechless::clap:

infamous
02-03-2009, 12:14 AM
61 Wow! :speechless: Amazing, Congrats Kobe! :clap:

Hellcrooner
02-03-2009, 12:14 AM
mmm ^

Baylor, English, Dantley, World B Free, MICHAEL JEFRREY JORDAN, Wilt Chamberlain ,Kareem, Karl Malone......

Doe any of them ring a bell in your mind?

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 12:17 AM
mmm ^

Baylor, English, Dantley, World B Free, MICHAEL JEFRREY JORDAN, Wilt Chamberlain ,Kareem, Karl Malone......

Doe any of them ring a bell in your mind?

you talkin to me?

LAcowBOMBER
02-03-2009, 12:18 AM
Well i think theyll give most of those shots to the wings. Vlad, Walton, Kobe, and Vujacic will get 10 of those and Odom will get atleast 2

and even if he does get more shots, he'll only get about 20ppg for the rest of the season but he'll still average 19ppg for the season

Well if he gets 4 more shots a game like Hellcrooner said and he makes 2 which his fg% would suggest he would averae 22 a game for the rest of the season and average 20ppg, but who really cares, he could certainly average around 20ppg and 20ppg is definitely reachable.

PRETTY BIRD!
02-03-2009, 12:19 AM
like last year but he didnt average 20 ppg

Gasol went to the lakers about same time last year and he was taking 2 less shots and he was still the number one option in the paint but he still averaged only 19 ppg.

Ya im trying to be a *******. and mostly lakers and knicks fans will probably only remeber this record. thats what im saying

Just like how mostly Raps fans and lakers fans talk about 81 point


its pointless right now to be arguing about how many points gasol will score per game, but last year gasol wasn't acquainted to the offense as he is right now, he wasn't familiar with the triangle skeems, so there for he wasn't as comfortable in the offense, so thats not a good argument dude.....

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 12:22 AM
Im saying for the whole season. He will probably average 20-21 ppg for the rest of the season but thats only 20-21ppg for 36game(or whatever games they have left) and 18ppg for 46 games

The season average would be around 18.8 or something

GregOden#1
02-03-2009, 12:23 AM
huh?:confused:

He scored the most points at MSG aswell as scored the most as an opponent at MSG..Which makes the first one a record too.

Ok #1 both the things you said are practically the same, one just limits a player to being an opponent making it pretty ridiculous to say it's a record and #2 what you said is not what is in the original post.

still1ballin
02-03-2009, 12:24 AM
Mvp

lamar2006
02-03-2009, 12:27 AM
with only 6 fingers working perfectly. he has the dislocated ring finger and torn ligament in his pinkie.

Hellcrooner
02-03-2009, 12:27 AM
No im talking about the Most proific scorer thing.

Some history is sometimes refrshing to not get carried away with todays fashion.

Shaq back 2 L.A
02-03-2009, 12:28 AM
The raptors are next omg u better not tell kobe or he'll murder them for 82 this time lol! :smoking::speechless::clap::rock::nod::drool::guns ::dance::cheer::jumpy::dance2::pray::cheers:

cahawk
02-03-2009, 12:30 AM
[QUOTE=Gro_Da_Fro_Back;8226077]1. Most points by a Knicks opponent. (61) Previously held by Michael Jordan(55)


2. Most points ever scored in Madison Square Garden.
************************************************** **
Uhhhh......

WILT CHAMBERLIN scored 100 points against the NY Knicks.

And I bet he had a few more than kobe's Zero (0) rebounds.
For that matter bet he had more assists, steals & blocks than kobe.

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 12:30 AM
who holds the record for most points at the staples centre, lol. Seriouley thats a lame record most points at the Garden. Other than that good game by kobe

Kobe Bryant with 81 points Staples Center.

It's not a lame record when MSG has so much history. I also find this hilarious because I know plenty of MJ fans who would talk about his 55 as an opponent against the Knicks. Kobe pours 61 and it is lame. :rolleyes:

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 12:31 AM
You dont see gasol getting 20 per game?

Mm he is doing like 17,5 or 18 and has like a 55 % of Fg

Bynum was taking 12 to 15 shots a game.

Give 4 of those shots and make the math dude.

No. He was averaging 9 FGA per game.

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 12:32 AM
Let the hating begin......

Give Kobe props dayum

G-Funk
02-03-2009, 12:32 AM
It was cool seeing the whole arena giving Kobe a standing ovation, even Spike Lee joined applauding him...

PRETTY BIRD!
02-03-2009, 12:33 AM
Im saying for the whole season. He will probably average 20-21 ppg for the rest of the season but thats only 20-21ppg for 36game(or whatever games they have left) and 18ppg for 46 games

The season average would be around 18.8 or something

well you say he'll average 20-21 the rest of the season...I say he'll average 22-24...but i guess will see then...

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 12:36 AM
well you say he'll average 20-21 the rest of the season...I say he'll average 22-24...but i guess will see then...

aight but i dont think he'll get 4 shots like 4 said cuz Bynum averages 9 and Kobe will get atleast 3-4, Odom with 2, and everyone else gets the rest.

Maybe he might not even get 20ppg for the rest of season but whatever

PRETTY BIRD!
02-03-2009, 12:37 AM
[QUOTE=Gro_Da_Fro_Back;8226077]1. Most points by a Knicks opponent. (61) Previously held by Michael Jordan(55)


2. Most points ever scored in Madison Square Garden.
************************************************** **
Uhhhh......

WILT CHAMBERLIN scored 100 points against the NY Knicks.

And I bet he had a few more than kobe's Zero (0) rebounds.
For that matter bet he had more assists, steals & blocks than kobe.lol...ha some of you dudes are unbelievable..

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 12:37 AM
Let the hating begin......

Give Kobe props dayum

No. He doesn't deserve props because 61 points isn't enough. Scoring nearly 50% of the entire teams point total while doing it at an efficient 66% from the field isn't enough. He has to still get more rebounds, assists, and steals. :rolleyes:

Duncan = Donkey
02-03-2009, 12:38 AM
Kobe 81

what about american airlines center, the pepsi center, acro arena, us airways center. lamest record i have ever heard of. most points in an arena/center its just so lame. but like i said before good game by kobe.

Shaq back 2 L.A
02-03-2009, 12:38 AM
The raptors are next omg u better not tell kobe or he'll murder them for 82 this time lol! :guns :

PRETTY BIRD!
02-03-2009, 12:39 AM
aight but i dont think he'll get 4 shots like 4 said cuz Bynum averages 9 and Kobe will get atleast 3-4, Odom with 2, and everyone else gets the rest.

Maybe he might not even get 20ppg for the rest of season but whatever

we'll just have to see then...

still1ballin
02-03-2009, 12:40 AM
No. He doesn't deserve props because 61 points isn't enough. Scoring nearly 50% of the entire teams point total while doing it at an efficient 66% from the field isn't enough. He has to still get more rebounds, assists, and steals. :rolleyes:

Love the sarcasm:p

PRETTY BIRD!
02-03-2009, 12:41 AM
what about american airlines center, the pepsi center, acro arena, us airways center. lamest record i have ever heard of. most points in an arena/center its just so lame. but like i said before good game by kobe.

how in the hell could you compare those with msg:pity:

IRUAM #21
02-03-2009, 12:42 AM
Props to Kobe, he was a beast today :clap:

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 12:43 AM
MSG is the biggest stage of any athlete thats why it mattered idiot


what about american airlines center, the pepsi center, acro arena, us airways center. lamest record i have ever heard of. most points in an arena/center its just so lame. but like i said before good game by kobe.

blazerman
02-03-2009, 12:44 AM
Good for Kobe, I always like to watch a player get on a roll like that, my team or not.

Anyone who can lay 60 plus on a team is offensively gifted and should have the green light to shoot when he feels it like that.

Actually Id like to see 2 players have a night like that against each other, especially in the playoffs.

We see balanced tem ball 75/80 games a yr from a team so 1 or 2 games like that is always fun.

Duncan = Donkey
02-03-2009, 12:47 AM
:pity:
MSG is the biggest stage of any athlete thats why it mattered idiot

still its a very lame record, if it only counts at MSG.
verbally abusing people on a forum:pity: get a life

madiaz3
02-03-2009, 12:49 AM
msg isnt an ordinary arena

its where stars show their true colors and those who arent quite there fall under the pressure

Draco
02-03-2009, 12:49 AM
Kobe Bryant with 81 points Staples Center.

It's not a lame record when MSG has so much history. I also find this hilarious because I know plenty of MJ fans who would talk about his 55 as an opponent against the Knicks. Kobe pours 61 and it is lame. :rolleyes:

I havent read through every post in this thread but I'm guessing you're the first person here to compare performances by MJ and Kobe. I wouldn't have even bothered, todays Knicks don't play defense.

fresh prince
02-03-2009, 12:53 AM
[QUOTE=Gro_Da_Fro_Back;8226077]1. Most points by a Knicks opponent. (61) Previously held by Michael Jordan(55)


2. Most points ever scored in Madison Square Garden.
************************************************** **
Uhhhh......

WILT CHAMBERLIN scored 100 points against the NY Knicks.

And I bet he had a few more than kobe's Zero (0) rebounds.
For that matter bet he had more assists, steals & blocks than kobe.

Wilts 100 was scored in Hershey PA not the new Garden...

Where are haters like you when KOBE averages a triple double over several game stretches? Or racks up 15 assist in a ball game.

What makes dude great is he can do whatever he wants to do on most nights.. On nights like tonight when he gets hot its lights out scoring
other nights its lock down d and playmaking.

Stop hating and enjoy...The first step to breaking the "haterism" is to find enjoyment in your own life

GspLAL
02-03-2009, 12:54 AM
No matter what sick thing Kobe pulls off he'll always get hated for it because of the people along with ESPN hanging on someones nuts..

still1ballin
02-03-2009, 12:55 AM
Kobe has to be the most hated player right now. People just don't give the credit where is due.

NYK All the Way
02-03-2009, 12:56 AM
good lord some of you guys are such idiots...Kobe broke TWO records tonight. Had he only scored 56 points he would have only broken MICHAEL JORDAN's record, but because he dropped 61 he ALSO broke Bernard King's record which was 60.

You really can't take anything away from his performance he hit every free throw he took and played like a champ at the WORLD'S MOST FAMOUS ARENA. That is what makes it special, the garden is basketball's biggest stage.

Duncan = Donkey
02-03-2009, 12:59 AM
im not hating on him, even though i do hate him. i just dont think the 'record' he broke should even be considerd a record but thats just me. but sure good for him he has the record and played a great game.

G-Funk
02-03-2009, 01:01 AM
what about american airlines center, the pepsi center, acro arena, us airways center. lamest record i have ever heard of. most points in an arena/center its just so lame. but like i said before good game by kobe.

It's the Mecca of B-Ball that's why i guess they make it a big deal.

Rodney Stuckey
02-03-2009, 01:03 AM
what kind of record is that? I dont even think its that important

+1

Lakersfan2483
02-03-2009, 01:05 AM
[QUOTE=cahawk;8227349]

Wilts 100 was scored in Hershey PA not the new Garden...

Where are haters like you when KOBE averages a triple double over several game stretches? Or racks up 15 assist in a ball game.

What makes dude great is he can do whatever he wants to do on most nights.. On nights like tonight when he gets hot its lights out scoring
other nights its lock down d and playmaking.

Stop hating and enjoy...The first step to breaking the "haterism" is to find enjoyment in your own life

Exactly, you never hear a word out of him when Kobe gets triple doubles in multiple games, etc.., that guy is on here to bait, that is his agenda. He looks to take shots at Kobe and LA every chance he gets. The definition of a "hater"

Lakersfan2483
02-03-2009, 01:08 AM
I don't care what any negative person has to say, when a man as great as Kobe puts on a show like this, you can't say anything. He shot well over .60 percent from the field and scored 60 plus points for the 5th time in his career.

The most career 60 point games:

Wilt Chamberlain had 132 (No one will break that)
Kobe Bryant has 5
Michael Jordan had 4

GspLAL
02-03-2009, 01:08 AM
[QUOTE=cahawk;8227349]

Wilts 100 was scored in Hershey PA not the new Garden...

Where are haters like you when KOBE averages a triple double over several game stretches? Or racks up 15 assist in a ball game.

What makes dude great is he can do whatever he wants to do on most nights.. On nights like tonight when he gets hot its lights out scoring
other nights its lock down d and playmaking.

Stop hating and enjoy...The first step to breaking the "haterism" is to find enjoyment in your own life

:D:clap:

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 01:10 AM
I havent read through every post in this thread but I'm guessing you're the first person here to compare performances by MJ and Kobe. I wouldn't have even bothered, todays Knicks don't play defense.

Jordan's performance was better, but I am simply talking about the record. People would say a certain record is important, but when Bryant breaks it, it becomes lame. Just funny to me.

grkmaster
02-03-2009, 01:14 AM
Knicks Defense at times was suspect for most of the game but when he was putting up double clutch shots falling to his side or falling backwards, thats some game. I could not believe what was going in. Anything he put up - one leg, with one hand, crazy fadeways falling out of bounds still went in. He just could not be stopped even if someone was able to defend him

GSW fan
02-03-2009, 01:19 AM
meh

theimortalone
02-03-2009, 01:25 AM
Is he back to his ball hog ways now that Bynum is injured?

:nod:

still1ballin
02-03-2009, 01:26 AM
meh

Wow! What a post! You sir are the man!:clap:

TMAC94
02-03-2009, 01:35 AM
kobe gets 61 points and 1 assit

Giaps
02-03-2009, 01:36 AM
I was privileged to be at this game and it was the single greatest performance I have seen live. I saw Lebron drop 50 last year and as a true basketball fan, I definitely appreciate this great historic performance. Simply amazing.

Giaps
02-03-2009, 01:37 AM
kobe gets 61 points and 1 assit
So what? Why do people knit-pick for?

When you're shooting 19-31 and 20-20 from ft, you are having an efficient game. Pau Gasol was the only other Laker who had anything going.

JWalk126
02-03-2009, 01:38 AM
give it up to the Steak-Man :clap:

stevefrancis
02-03-2009, 01:38 AM
were you one of the many fans chanting mvp for kobe?

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 01:39 AM
kobe gets 61 points and 1 assit

3 assists. Why does that even matter when he is scoring 61 points on an unbelievably efficient 66%?

oshea225
02-03-2009, 01:40 AM
I was privileged to be at this game and it was the single greatest performance I have seen live. I saw Lebron drop 50 last year and as a true basketball fan, I definitely appreciate this great historic performance. Simply amazing.

im honestly so jealous of you (no sarcasm). i've always wanted to see a historic game like this in person. i saw lebron score 42 last season in jersey, but it wasnt anything even comparable to this. congrats to kobe, everyone stop hating and show some respect. next time you can score 61 points in the garden come see me

grkmaster
02-03-2009, 01:40 AM
So what? Why do people knit-pick for?

When you're shooting 19-31 and 20-20 from ft, you are having an efficient game. Pau Gasol was the only other Laker who had anything going.

Sure it doesnt look great that he hhad one assist but he could no miss for his life. The shots that were falling were pissing me off but it was a remarkable game by him no matter what his other stats were. And i think he should have had more than one asisst especially when we doubled him he found a couple of his teamates open for shots/dunk/layup

Giaps
02-03-2009, 01:40 AM
were you one of the many fans chanting mvp for kobe?
Nah I didn't go that far. To tell you the truth I was bummed most of the game because the Knicks couldn't get anything going. I gave him the standing ovation he deserved.

soundjunkies2
02-03-2009, 01:47 AM
Nah I didn't go that far. To tell you the truth I was bummed most of the game because the Knicks couldn't get anything going. I gave him the standing ovation he deserved.

Ive noticed its mainly NY fans congratulating kobe for his performance and sticking up for him eventhough he lit their team up.I guess its true that NYer's are some of the most knowledgeable basketball fans.

Giaps
02-03-2009, 01:55 AM
Ive noticed its mainly NY fans congratulating kobe for his performance and sticking up for him eventhough he lit their team up.I guess its true that NYer's are some of the most knowledgeable basketball fans.
I had to quote you. Check the sig. :)

soundjunkies2
02-03-2009, 01:57 AM
I had to quote you. Check the sig. :)

Thanks,its an honor :D

LAKERS 24/7
02-03-2009, 02:06 AM
Don't know why people are talking about how it doesn't matter where he scored the 61 or that its not a record blah blah blah

how about we talk about him having an extraordinary game?

LAKERS 24/7
02-03-2009, 02:17 AM
im not surprised. This was a fast tempo game.

lmao

unbelievable bro...

northsider
02-03-2009, 02:24 AM
Kobe is amazing congrats wish I had known about this I would have loved to watch it.

Torque
02-03-2009, 02:27 AM
Why all the hate? His performance today was simply amazing,and he still is the best basketball player in the NBA.

stevec6
02-03-2009, 02:42 AM
most point vs the knicks not in a single game.....

kobe is too good, its just funny that he can score such huge numbers anytime he wants to but he choices not 2

now were gonna c the true mvp, without andrew bynum, kobe has to put up those numbers to keep the lakers rolling at the top

anyone can be a ball hog and put up those numbers

Torque
02-03-2009, 02:51 AM
anyone can be a ball hog and put up those numbers

He shot 19-31 from the field, thats .613 that really good. Quit hating :rolleyes:

Hellcrooner
02-03-2009, 02:55 AM
hey i hate when Kobe hogs the ball

But in my eyes tonight WAS not hogging

I complain when in the first half he has gone something like 2/14 and then he goes on shooting and shooting and shooting and he ends the game with 9 /35 , yes he scores 30 but at what price.

But WHEN you are having THE NIGHT and you are chipping in 2 of each 3 shoots you make then of course you ahve to go on making shots.

cahawk
02-03-2009, 02:58 AM
Actually, I have made several posts that kobe is playing the best I have ever seen him this year, within the team game. And playing a better rounded game, getting more assists and I actually have seen him rebounding.
And I post that the Laker's have the most talent and that if kobe stays in the team concept they should win it all.
But knowing kobe, the question is can he stay within the team concept?

Laker fans dominate this board, even NBA or other teams boards and too many feel the need to try and silence any opposing opinions & try to drive posters away saying they are haters & bating....shades of McCarthyism.
Personally, I like to hear all the opinions, even those I don't agree with.
Otherwise, we just find ourselves preaching to the Choir.

I think the 61 with 0 rebounds, 0 steals, 0 blocks & 3 assists against a weak team that they had beat is a step backward. Do it in Boston or Clevland when they need it, but even then this is not how the laker's will win another title.
I realize most posters want sizzle & flashy stats but I think the title is the steak.
I think with Bynum out the rest of the team needs to be worked into more scoring and involvement.
61 does not impress me, kobe having well rounded game stats, getting teammates involved and winning games & titles....does.
I notice the NBA champs have no one averaging 20 points a game but have best record.
Carry on.

Skin&Bones
02-03-2009, 03:00 AM
Congratulations to kobe, It is pure entertainment, I was at college lounge watching with my friends and man...oohhhs and aahhhs heard all across the room. Impossible shots taken and still made flawless.

Its just so funny with hate around it reading all this posts, always trying to find reasons to doubt and put down this rare performances. Immaturity at its best. And it shows how you will all never seem to enjoy living if only your using excuses and looking at negative parts of someones life. It reflects on how you think about yourselves and how your no better than the person you are trying to criticize.

Knicks fans are class. They know how to appreciate good and entertaining performances.

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 03:07 AM
Congratulations to kobe, It is pure entertainment, I was at college lounge watching with my friends and man...oohhhs and aahhhs heard all across the room. Impossible shots taken and still made flawless.

Its just so funny with hate around it reading all this posts, always trying to find reasons to doubt and put down this rare performances. Immaturity at its best. And it shows how you will all never seem to enjoy living if only your using excuses and looking at negative parts of someones life. It reflects on how you think about yourselves and how your no better than the person you are trying to criticize.

Knicks fans are class. They know how to appreciate good and entertaining performances.

Great post. Sometimes you just have to swallow your pride and congratulate and praise somebody for a phenomenal performance. Bryant had one of those performances.

Vidball
02-03-2009, 03:25 AM
The Lakers spirits had to be down with the news about Bynum--Kobe really did come out to make a timely statement. For those of you who WATCHED the game (as I did), I'm sure you could tell a couple minutes into the game Kobe was gonna take over and show his team they're still the team to beat. The thing is, Kobe did it within the offense...the team was setting up iso's for him because Dantoni wouldn't flash many doubles Kobe's way. The Lakers used iso's and pick n' rolls with Kobe & Gasol to do their work tonight. Kobe just took whatever the defense was giving him just like he's done all season. It was a great offensive display. I actually listened to the Knicks announcers this game and they (and anybody else who has any sense of NBA history) recognized the accomplishment of passing Jordan's Double Nickel game and passing Bernard King. MSG is the one place everyone wants to have a big game--remember how much LeBron's 50pt game at MSG meant to him? Dropping 61 in NY is special.

BoltLakerPadre
02-03-2009, 03:41 AM
So awesome, so effing good.

I didn't think anything would ever make me happy again after Bynum's deja vu 8-12 weeks.

Lost Art
02-03-2009, 04:00 AM
Just finished watching the game on Tivo.........that was one of the most extrordinary things I've ever seen. You could make a career highlight film out of tonight's game. He made some absolutely AMAZING SHOTS! Nothing was easy, only a couple gimmes in there. Watch the footage, truly remarkable!!!! Kudos Kobe, kudos :clap:

Lakersfan2483
02-03-2009, 04:27 AM
Actually, I have made several posts that kobe is playing the best I have ever seen him this year, within the team game. And playing a better rounded game, getting more assists and I actually have seen him rebounding.
And I post that the Laker's have the most talent and that if kobe stays in the team concept they should win it all.
But knowing kobe, the question is can he stay within the team concept?

Laker fans dominate this board, even NBA or other teams boards and too many feel the need to try and silence any opposing opinions & try to drive posters away saying they are haters & bating....shades of McCarthyism.
Personally, I like to hear all the opinions, even those I don't agree with.
Otherwise, we just find ourselves preaching to the Choir.

I think the 61 with 0 rebounds, 0 steals, 0 blocks & 3 assists against a weak team that they had beat is a step backward. Do it in Boston or Clevland when they need it, but even then this is not how the laker's will win another title.
I realize most posters want sizzle & flashy stats but I think the title is the steak.
I think with Bynum out the rest of the team needs to be worked into more scoring and involvement.
61 does not impress me, kobe having well rounded game stats, getting teammates involved and winning games & titles....does.
I notice the NBA champs have no one averaging 20 points a game but have best record.
Carry on.

He's done everything he's been asked to do for this team, tonight he was hot from the field and had a great game. When you are in the zone the way he was and its coming within the flow of the offense, your assists may be down for one game, but rest assured he's been phenomenal all year in terms of being "well rounded" When other guys have great games, you have nothing to say, but with Kobe, it's always something. You can hate alll you want but the bottomline is LA is winning and Kobe is playing mvp type basketball on both ends. He's had games in which he's been our top rebounder, scorer, assist man, defender, and that is what being the best is all about. He's been great this year.... It's obvious you don't like Kobe and are looking to bait people, you don't have to like him, but you do have to respect the man's game, he's one of the greatest players to ever play, period.... One last note, Bryant wasn't the only Laker playing great, Gasol had 32 points tonight as well, so Kobe wasn't the only focale point for the team.

*Some of the statements you made above were ridiculous, he's always been in the top amongst guards in terms of rebounds and assists, especially at the shooting guard position. He's been playing great team ball for yrs, he just had to carry the load more back in the day, before we acquired Gasol, so I don't want to hear that stuff about him finally playing within the team concept. When your team is mediocore (like it was a few yrs ago) you are going to have to take more shots, etc. to lead your team to victory. Wade is having to do that now and Jordan used to do it in the 80's....

GspLAL
02-03-2009, 05:57 AM
He has one explosive game and people say he's never gonna rebound, assist, or steal again...Ok..makes sense :rolleyes:

soundjunkies2
02-03-2009, 07:04 AM
Good job. I didn't see the game tonight, was someone talking trash or something a la JR Smith?

I guess he was taunted my a knicks fan at his hotel the day before the game.lol

JayW_1023
02-03-2009, 07:33 AM
That's was one of the most incredible scoring shows in recent memory.

S.J.Basketball
02-03-2009, 08:12 AM
Uhhhh......

WILT CHAMBERLIN scored 100 points against the NY Knicks.

And I bet he had a few more than kobe's Zero (0) rebounds.
For that matter bet he had more assists, steals & blocks than kobe.

You are Kobophobic. How's Steve Nash and Amere doing this year? OoOohhhh rigghhtt...sorry about that.

JordansBulls
02-03-2009, 09:28 AM
Just finished watching the game on Tivo.........that was one of the most extrordinary things I've ever seen. You could make a career highlight film out of tonight's game. He made some absolutely AMAZING SHOTS! Nothing was easy, only a couple gimmes in there. Watch the footage, truly remarkable!!!! Kudos Kobe, kudos :clap:

Question for you, how much does Tivo cost?

DrDEADalready
02-03-2009, 11:03 AM
I didn't know they have pointless records like this they keep track of.

JJ81
02-03-2009, 12:06 PM
No, he probably wanted to play well in front of the New York fans. They always cheer great performances and give oohs and awes for every move he makes. I think he likes the praise.

He obviously did it for Bynum

chicagowhitesox
02-03-2009, 12:27 PM
that's really one record, but still pretty amazing.

HOZ THE KNICK
02-03-2009, 12:29 PM
that was 1 hell of a performance it's funny how ny bring the best game out of people.

fairandbalanced
02-03-2009, 12:34 PM
Hell of a performance. Kobe has a track record of dropping points on bad defensive teams. Dallas-Toronto-Knicks......He always try to pad his stats against inferior defense.

Hawkeye15
02-03-2009, 01:51 PM
I watched some of the game, and he was unstoppable last night. Great game for him personally, and most of his shots came in the flow of the offense. But, I would still take LeBron over him right now.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 04:58 PM
How is taking 30+ shots not hogging the ball?

People who take 15 shots are sometimes called ballhogs

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 05:04 PM
Kobe has to be the most hated player right now. People just don't give the credit where is due.

He is also the most loved basketball player

MiamiHeat
02-03-2009, 05:06 PM
he got 20 free throws attempts and nobody is *****ing about him getting to the free throw line a lot but if Wade would of gone to the free throw line that much everybody would of been saying the refs love Wade :pity:

IRUAM #21
02-03-2009, 05:06 PM
Hell of a performance. Kobe has a track record of dropping points on bad defensive teams. Dallas-Toronto-Knicks......He always try to pad his stats against inferior defense.

Wow man, stop hating.

_Sn1P3r_
02-03-2009, 05:12 PM
That is a pretty amazing accomplishment. Congrats to him. :clap:

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 05:13 PM
he got 20 free throws attempts and nobody is *****ing about him getting to the free throw line a lot but if Wade would of gone to the free throw line that much everybody would of been saying the refs love Wade :pity:

cuz Kobe was actually hit :laugh:

no lol im joking

Lakersfan2483
02-03-2009, 06:11 PM
How is taking 30+ shots not hogging the ball?

People who take 15 shots are sometimes called ballhogs

He scored 61 points within the flow of the offense, just like Jordan used to do when he would have his big nights of scoring 50 or more (on 30 plus shot attempts) or any other potent "superstar" when you are shooting .60pct from the field and are hot like he was, of course he's going to get the ball, it would be stupid not to get him the ball. He was in the "Zone" last night.

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 06:13 PM
Keep hating people it wont change that Kobe is still the best

boms-4
02-03-2009, 06:59 PM
Kobe is a beast He made it look easy

FaceDown91
02-03-2009, 07:03 PM
kobe was amazing in that game. i went to the game and kobe was electrifying the crowd. even knicks fans were going crazy.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 07:13 PM
He scored 61 points within the flow of the offense, just like Jordan used to do when he would have his big nights of scoring 50 or more (on 30 plus shot attempts) or any other potent "superstar" when you are shooting .60pct from the field and are hot like he was, of course he's going to get the ball, it would be stupid not to get him the ball. He was in the "Zone" last night.

i know you gotta take atleast 30 shots to get atleast 50 points but im saying he was still a little bit hogging the ball

lakers4sho
02-03-2009, 07:19 PM
i know you gotta take atleast 30 shots to get atleast 50 points but im saying he was still a little bit hogging the ball

Hogging means that you're attempting too much attempts but you're not making a lot. Inefficient, that is.

tmac93
02-03-2009, 07:20 PM
kobe is ovverated

JeffFrankGore
02-03-2009, 07:28 PM
was at that game...MVP

Hawkeye15
02-03-2009, 07:30 PM
i know you gotta take atleast 30 shots to get atleast 50 points but im saying he was still a little bit hogging the ball

well, if I am Phil Jackson, or his teammate, I am not crying about him taking that many when he is playing like that. Didn't MJ take 44 attempts in a playoff game against Phx? I mean, sometimes it happens with the badasses

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 07:54 PM
Hogging means that you're attempting too much attempts but you're not making a lot. Inefficient, that is.

Even if you do make shots, its still ballhogging.like when kobe was averging 35 and making half his shot. People where calling him a ball hog

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 07:55 PM
well, if I am Phil Jackson, or his teammate, I am not crying about him taking that many when he is playing like that. Didn't MJ take 44 attempts in a playoff game against Phx? I mean, sometimes it happens with the badasses

Well ya I wouldn't mind Kobe hogging the ball but its still being a ball hog

lakers4sho
02-03-2009, 07:58 PM
Even if you do make shots, its still ballhogging.like when kobe was averging 35 and making half his shot. People where calling him a ball hog

MJ led the league in PPG the most times out of any player in history. Is he a ballhog too?

QUICKTRADE
02-03-2009, 08:02 PM
hard work works..............

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 08:03 PM
MJ led the league in PPG the most times out of any player in history. Is he a ballhog too?

well taking some players take 15 shots a game and they are called ball hogs so why cant you call a guy who takes 20 shots a ball hog. I would call him a ballhog(unless he got atleast 6-7 assist a game then he isnt a ball hog)

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 08:08 PM
That was the dumbest thing I have ever seen.


well taking some players take 15 shots a game and they are called ball hogs so why cant you call a guy who takes 20 shots a ball hog. I would call him a ballhog(unless he passed the ball atleast 6-7 times a game then he isnt a ball hog)

Lakermania33
02-03-2009, 08:12 PM
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain's_100-point_game

I get what your saying. The two records that are being referred to are (1) most points scored at MSG by an opponent and (2) most points scored at MSG. Wilt scored his 100 against NY in PA (as per your link).

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 08:12 PM
That was the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

Would you call a guy a ballhog that gets 7 assist per game?

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 08:20 PM
Would you call a guy a ballhog that gets 7 assist per game?

Passing the ball 6 or 7 times a game is different from 6 or 7 assists. Assists require that the person who directly receives the pass goes up, shoots, and makes the shot without making a lot of dribbles. A person can pass a 100 times, but their teammates may not make the shots. The guy said it was stupid because Bryant DOES pass over 7 times a game; he just doesn't get the assist every time.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 08:22 PM
Passing the ball 6 or 7 times a game is different from 6 or 7 assists. Assists require that the person who directly receives the pass goes up, shoots, and makes the shot without making a lot of dribbles. A person can pass a 100 times, but their teammates may not make the shots. The guy said it was stupid because Bryant DOES pass over 7 times a game; he just doesn't get the assist every time.

well the other post i meant assist my bad but that was what i meant

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 08:26 PM
well the other post i meant assist my bad but that was what i meant

Well that mistake was the reason he thought your comment was dumb.

lakers4sho
02-03-2009, 08:26 PM
well taking some players take 15 shots a game and they are called ball hogs so why cant you call a guy who takes 20 shots a ball hog. I would call him a ballhog(unless he got atleast 6-7 assist a game then he isnt a ball hog)

Bryant averages 19 attempts per game (career), while Jordan averages 23 (career), so based from your criterion Jordan is more of a ballhog than Kobe.

Assist-wise they're not that different, with Jordan averages less than 1 assist more than Kobe.

G-Funk
02-03-2009, 08:29 PM
kobe is ovverated

If Kobe is overrated imagine T-mac???:speechless:

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 08:33 PM
Bryant averages 19 attempts per game (career), while Jordan averages 23 (career), so based from your criterion Jordan is more of a ballhog than Kobe.

Assist-wise they're not that different, with Jordan averages less than 1 assist more than Kobe.

Then Jordan is a Ball hog. Taking that much shots and not calling them a ball hog is pretty weird considering people call players like Arenas, Ford, T-mac, Carter and others Ball hogs when they take 10-16 shots

G-Funk
02-03-2009, 08:34 PM
Yall are saying that Kobe doesn't make hs teamamtes better, but when ur hitting this many shots you must be, why? Cause he's just letting his team get assist... Besides if you know anything about basketball, what do you do when a player is on fire??? you keep feeding him the ball.

lakers4sho
02-03-2009, 08:37 PM
Then Jordan is a Ball hog. Taking that much shots and not calling them a ball hog is pretty weird considering people call players like Arenas, Ford, T-mac, Carter and others Ball hogs when they take 10-16 shots

Kobe's FG% - 46%
Jordan's FG% - 50%

compared to

TMac's FG% - 43%
Arenas' FG% - 42%
Carter's FG% - 44%
Ford's FG% - 43%

Like I said before, ballhog means that a player is inefficient on offense, takes a lot of shots while not making a good percentage of them.

Lakermania33
02-03-2009, 08:38 PM
kobe gets 61 points and 1 assit

lol. I have seen it all. Your hate'n on Kobe's performance with T Mac as your logo. Didn't he quit on you guys a couple of weeks ago? and Orlando, and Toronto. Nuff said.

By the way it was 61 points, 3 assist, and a block shot in 36 min. If anything rebounding is what you should have hit on.

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 08:39 PM
Then Jordan is a Ball hog. Taking that much shots and not calling them a ball hog is pretty weird considering people call players like Arenas, Ford, T-mac, Carter and others Ball hogs when they take 10-16 shots

Neither Jordan or Kobe are ball-hogs. They are two of the greatest players to play the game and if they took more shots than TJ Ford then it is surely merited and deserved. If you think they should take less shots in favor of the likes of Arenas or Ford then I would recommend watching some of the old Bulls and the current Lakers to see Jordan and Kobe play basketball.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 08:45 PM
Neither Jordan or Kobe are ball-hogs. They are two of the greatest players to play the game and if they took more shots than TJ Ford then it is surely merited and deserved. If you think they should take less shots in favor of the likes of Arenas or Ford then I would recommend watching some of the old Bulls and the current Lakers to see Jordan and Kobe play basketball.

Really?

That game reminded me of the season where he got 35 ppg. And he was hogging the ball then so I think he was being a ball hog during that game. And Im saying if they take 19 shots, how can that not be a ball hog, If someone makes 4 out of 10 shots(40%), is that being a ball hog? not really. but taking 30+ shots, kinda feels like he didnt wanna pass to his teammates and just wanted to get the stats

and you can still be a ball hog and make shots. like Kobe and Jordan. Theres just some who are ball hogs and cant shoot as good like t-mac, carter, arenas

cambovenzi
02-03-2009, 08:45 PM
generally its a good idea to get the best players of their era the ball more often than other players...
calling them a "ballhog" when they score 61 points at a very efficient rate is sad and lonely.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 08:47 PM
Kobe's FG% - 46%
Jordan's FG% - 50%

compared to

TMac's FG% - 43%
Arenas' FG% - 42%
Carter's FG% - 44%
Ford's FG% - 43%

Like I said before, ballhog means that a player is inefficient on offense, takes a lot of shots while not making a good percentage of them.

43-47 is probably average fg%.

Its just kobe and Jordan can make more shots so they have a higher percentage but he is still hogging the ball

DODGERS&LAKERS
02-03-2009, 08:49 PM
lol. I have seen it all. Your hate'n on Kobe's performance with T Mac as your logo. Didn't he quit on you guys a couple of weeks ago? and Orlando, and Toronto. Nuff said.
By the way it was 61 points, 3 assist, and a block shot in 36 min. If anything rebounding is what you should have hit on.

I found that quite hilarious as well. Thats like a blind man calling me out for my 20/40 vision. Mine might not be perfect, but its far better than yours.

Kenny
02-03-2009, 08:51 PM
I realized it takes a lot of luck as well to score 61 pts like the other team being competitive. Lebron tonight scores 16 points in the first 7 minutes and there up 23 pts.. It's hard to score a lot when the other team isnt even competitive.

Lakermania33
02-03-2009, 08:51 PM
im honestly so jealous of you (no sarcasm). i've always wanted to see a historic game like this in person. i saw lebron score 42 last season in jersey, but it wasnt anything even comparable to this. congrats to kobe, everyone stop hating and show some respect. next time you can score 61 points in the garden come see me

Your post makes me think of one of the worst decision I've made. I was at the Dodger game when Dennis Martinez lost a perfect game in the 8th but still had a no hitter. The game where Kobe dropped 81; I was supposed to go but decided to go out with some friends. Go figure.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 08:53 PM
Your post makes me think of one of the worst decision I've made. I was at the Dodger game when Dennis Martinez lost a perfect game in the 8th but still had a no hitter. The game where Kobe dropped 81; I was supposed to go but decided to go out with some friends. Go figure.

dam that sucks

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 08:55 PM
Really?

That game reminded me of the season where he got 35 ppg. And he was hogging the ball then so I think he was being a ball hog during that game. And Im saying if they take 19 shots, how can that not be a ball hog, If someone makes 4 out of 10 shots(40%), is that being a ball hog? not really. but taking 30+ shots, kinda feels like he didnt wanna pass to his teammates and just wanted to get the stats

and you can still be a ball hog and make shots. like Kobe and Jordan. Theres just some who are ball hogs and cant shoot as good like t-mac, carter, arenas

Kobe was shooting 66% from the field while getting to the line at a very good rate. There is no reason that he should completely stop what he is doing to appease teammates who may or may not be shooting well that night. He was ridiculously on fire and is the best player in the league. Combine the two and he better take control of the game scoring-wise.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 08:58 PM
Kobe was shooting 66% from the field while getting to the line at a very good rate. There is no reason that he should completely stop what he is doing to appease teammates who may or may not be shooting well that night. He was ridiculously on fire and is the best player in the league. Combine the two and he better take control of the game scoring-wise.

well whatever you say, to me getting atleast 50+ point or shooting for than 20+fg during a game is being a ballhog

ARMIN12NBA
02-03-2009, 09:16 PM
well whatever you say, to me getting atleast 50+ point or shooting for than 20+fg during a game is being a ballhog

When you are not hogging the ball then you are not being a ballhog even if you do score 50+ points. You do realize that Bryant only played 36 minutes, right? There was an entire quarter when he couldn't even touch the ball. Not to mention Pau had 31 points.

BTW--When did hogging the ball when somebody is completely on fire become a bad thing? When I play, I purposefully feed the hot hand over and over again. Doesn't make them a ball-hog. It just makes them a damn good player who is also absolutely hot from the field.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 09:18 PM
When you are not hogging the ball then you are not being a ballhog even if you do score 50+ points. You do realize that Bryant only played 36 minutes, right? There was an entire quarter when he couldn't even touch the ball. Not to mention Pau had 31 points.

BTW--When did hogging the ball when somebody is completely on fire become a bad thing? When I play, I purposefully feed the hot hand over and over again. Doesn't make them a ball-hog. It just makes them a damn good player who is also absolutely hot from the field.

im not saying its bad to be a ball hog if you can make the shot but its still being a ball hog

lakers4sho
02-03-2009, 09:52 PM
well whatever you say, to me getting atleast 50+ point or shooting for than 20+fg during a game is being a ballhog

Pau Gasol had a good night as well with 30 something points and 14 rebounds I think. And if you watched the game, a few instances Kobe was letting the offense flow through his teammates. Other than Gasol (and Ariza), no one on that team was producing.

If Kobe didn't step on the plate and started scoring, then they would've lost the game big time.

G-Funk
02-03-2009, 11:19 PM
im not saying its bad to be a ball hog if you can make the shot but its still being a ball hog

So when ever Bosh is on fire, his teamates should stop feeding him the ball, if he doesn't want to be called a ballhog right?

Raps18-19 Champ
02-03-2009, 11:29 PM
So when ever Bosh is on fire, his teamates should stop feeding him the ball, if he doesn't want to be called a ballhog right?

no you can keep passing him the ball but he would have still been a ball hog

Duncan = Donkey
02-04-2009, 01:12 AM
well it seems only california think kobe's performence was better than jordans (suprise i know)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=67140

grkmaster
02-04-2009, 01:48 AM
43-47 is probably average fg%.

Its just kobe and Jordan can make more shots so they have a higher percentage but he is still hogging the ball

Gasol had 17 shots.... so he is a ball hog as well? Two ball hogs on one team and they won big.. You can say they are ball hogs but it does not mean they are not good players who make their players better. If nobody on your team is hitting shots and you are, what you going to do, lose the game and give the ball to your teamates hoping they finally get hot like you? Go watch this game before you go criticize how he played it.

Vidball
02-04-2009, 02:03 AM
well it seems only california think kobe's performence was better than jordans (suprise i know)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=67140

If there were a vote on Who was taller Jordan would win as well even though they were the same height. Jordan is untouchable for now. In a few years it might be looked at differently. Scoring more points on less shots while playing less minutes might be seen as the better game if Kobe gets a few more rings down the road.

LAKERS 24/7
02-04-2009, 02:09 AM
If there were a vote on Who was taller Jordan would win as well even though they were the same height. Jordan is untouchable for now. In a few years it might be looked at differently. Scoring more points on less shots while playing less minutes might be seen as the better game if Kobe gets a few more rings down the road.

People accuse Kobe of ball hogging, but when Jordan had his 55 he only had 2 assists as compared to Kobe's 3. He also took 6 more shots. People don't seem to want to bring that up though huh?

nygiants242
02-04-2009, 02:10 AM
:clap:

Good job, Kobe!

Duncan = Donkey
02-04-2009, 02:14 AM
MJ scored his 55 against a much more talented defensive team than kobe, thats why he won the poll. kobe only won the poll in california beacuse of obvious reasons.

Draco
02-04-2009, 02:16 AM
If there were a vote on Who was taller Jordan would win as well even though they were the same height. Jordan is untouchable for now. In a few years it might be looked at differently. Scoring more points on less shots while playing less minutes might be seen as the better game if Kobe gets a few more rings down the road.

You don't get it.

Highlight
02-04-2009, 03:03 AM
I don't understand why everyone's trying to compare or criticize Kobe at this point.

Kobe and Jordan both had phenomenal games in two different eras. Jordan played against a great defensive minded NYK team and Kobe played against a more offensive minded NYK team. Regardless, there's no point in comparing. They both were amazing. They both were efficient and overall they are the 2 most complete shooting guards the game has ever seen. (IMO)

No reason to compare them what so ever.

Jordan is still the best player to ever play the game and Kobe is still trying his best to get there. As is Lebron, Dwayne, and every other player who desires to be great. Nothing more to say.

The people on this board that are criticizing Kobe for taking those shots are full of hate and they know it. Trust me, they know how much they dislike Kobe. If anyone other than Kobe pulls off a game like this, it's historic and an amazing performance. Just give the man his due and say "great game Kobe". No more, no less.

No need to criticize Kobe and no need to call Kobe the greatest ever. He's an amazing player as is Lebron, Dwayne, Dwight and all the other superstars/all-stars in the league.

If you're specifically a fan of basketball, you enjoyed that game.

Sorry for the rant, but this bickering has been going on for a while. Had to throw my 2 cents in there. :(

Duncan = Donkey
02-04-2009, 05:49 AM
i never criticised him, i acknowleged kobe had a great game, i just dont think it was a better performance than MJ's.

Skin&Bones
02-04-2009, 06:34 AM
Wow this thing is still alive huh? Again epic game for kobe. The haters are still here, just proves again. No matter how you hate the man, you are just making it worse for yourself than the one your trying to put down.