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Epic89
01-31-2009, 07:45 PM
Put together the best team from each division...

**= FA; played in division in 08

AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Dustin Pedroia
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Alex Rodriguez
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton
RF- Nick Markakis
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Brian Roberts, Evan Longoria, Alex Rios

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Scott Kazmir, AJ Burnett

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Dan Wheeler, BJ Ryan, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Scott Downs


AL Central
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Miguel Cabrera
2B- Alexei Ramirez
SS- Jhonny Peralta
3B- Alex Gordon
LF- Carlos Quentin
CF- Grady Sizemore
RF- Magglio Ordonez
DH- Jim Thome

Bench- Victor Martinez, Justin Morneau, Mike Aviles, Curtis Granderson

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Francisco Liriano, Justin Verlander, Mark Buerhle, Zach Greinke

Bullpen- Joe Nathan, Bobby Jenks, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Scott Linebrink, Joel Zumaya, Jensen Lewis


AL West
C- Mike Napoli
1B- Chris Davis
2B- Ian Kinsler
SS- Michael Young
3B- Chone Figgins
LF- Matt Holliday
CF- Ichiro
RF- Vladimir Guerrero

Bench- Taylor Teagarden, Adrian Beltre, Howie Kendrick, Josh Hamilton

Rotation- John Lackey, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana, Justin Duchscherer, Joe Saunders

Bullpen- Brian Fuentes, Brad Ziegler, Frank Francisco, Scot Shields, Brandon Morrow, Jose Arredondo, Joey Devine


NL East
C- Brian McCann
1B- Ryan Howard
2B- Chase Utley
SS- Hanley Ramirez
3B- David Wright
LF- Raul Ibanez
CF- Carlos Beltran
RF- Elijah Dukes

Bench- Carlos Delgado, Chipper Jones, Jose Reyes, Shane Victorino

Rotation- Johan Santana, Cole Hamels, Derek Lowe, Ricky Nolasco, John Maine

Bullpen- Francisco Rodriguez, Brad Lidge, JJ Putz, Mike Gonzalez, Matt Lindstrom, Ryan Madson, Joel Hanrahan


NL Central
C- Geovany Soto
1B- Albert Pujols
2B- Brandon Phillips
SS- JJ Hardy
3B- Troy Glaus
LF- Ryan Braun
CF- Nate McLouth
RF- Jay Bruce

Bench- Ryan Doumit, Rickie Weeks, Joey Votto, Alfonso Soriano

Rotation- Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, Edinson Volquez, Adam Wainwright, Yovani Gallardo

Bullpen- Jose Valverde, Carlos Marmol, Francisco Cordero, Matt Capps, Chris Perez, Kevin Gregg, Ryan Franklin


NL West
C- Russell Martin
1B- Adrian Gonzalez
2B- Orlando Hudson**
SS- Rafael Furcal
3B- Garrett Atkins
LF- Manny Ramirez**
CF- Matt Kemp
RF- Andre Ethier

Bench- Bengie Molina, Conor Jackson, Stephen Drew, Eric Brynes

Rotation- Brandon Webb, Tim Lincecum, Jake Peavy, Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley

Bullpen- Jonathan Broxton, Brian Wilson, Heath Bell, Chad Qualls, Jon Rauch, Taylor Buchholz, Hong-Chi Kuo

prodigy
01-31-2009, 07:52 PM
AL Central
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Miguel Cabrera
2B- Alexei Ramirez
SS- Jhonny Peralta
3B- Alex Gordon
LF- Carlos Quentin
CF- Grady Sizemore
RF- Magglio Ordonez
DH- Jim Thome

Bench- Victor Martinez, Justin Morneau, Mike Aviles, Curtis Granderson

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Francisco Liriano, Justin Verlander, Mark Buerhle, Zach Greinke

Bullpen- Joe Nathan, Bobby Jenks, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Scott Linebrink, Joel Zumaya, Jensen Lewis

I don't know about thome at DH. If hafner is healthy then him hands down.

I would also have carmona over greinke.

linebrink and zumaya are not that good anymore. Zumaya throws to hard so he will always be getting hurt.

jcphik
01-31-2009, 07:53 PM
I am osrry, but that NL West rotation is just flat out deadly.

Rampage132
01-31-2009, 08:11 PM
I am osrry, but that NL West rotation is just flat out deadly.

Exactly what i was thinking.

And I like this idea :)

redwhitenblue
01-31-2009, 08:45 PM
NL Central
C- Geovany Soto
1B- Albert Pujols
2B- Brandon Phillips
SS- JJ Hardy
3B- Troy Glaus
LF- Ryan Braun
CF- Nate McLouth
RF- Jay Bruce

Bench- Ryan Doumit, Rickie Weeks, Joey Votto, Alfonso Soriano

Rotation- Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, Edinson Volquez, Adam Wainwright, Yovani Gallardo

Bullpen- Jose Valverde, Carlos Marmol, Francisco Cordero, Matt Capps, Chris Perez, Kevin Gregg, Ryan FranklinThe NL Central only gets 24 guys?

Aramis Ramirez on the bench (could flip with Glaus), Berkman>>>Votto, Harden should be in the rotation, Gregg shouldn't be near the bullpen

redwhitenblue
01-31-2009, 08:49 PM
Web is in the NL c entrl genius..
Was he magically given multi-team status?


Ban the fools.

XxYaNk3eS84xX
01-31-2009, 08:52 PM
nice i like it. imagine if some of those rotattions were on one team? ouch

quade36
01-31-2009, 09:13 PM
You have to find a new 2B for the AL Central. Alexei Ramirez is a shortstop now.

Though a lot of people would disagree but I'd actually rather take him over Peralta at SS.

McPeak92
01-31-2009, 09:26 PM
I am osrry, but that NL West rotation is just flat out deadly.

lineup sucks though.


and Jayson Werth should be in RF for the NL east and perfect lidge should be closing.

Rampage132
01-31-2009, 09:57 PM
Web is in the NL c entrl genius..

Really?

Again, you spelled Webb wrong, spelled Central wrong and NO he is not in the NL Central genius

Read a book, it'll take you so long you'll never come back here.

CY24
01-31-2009, 10:25 PM
C-Martin (LAD)
1b- Adrian Gonzalez (SD)
2b- Felipe Lopez (Az)
SS- Stephen Drew (Az)
3b- Ian Stewart (Col)
lf- Manny (LAD or SF)
cf- Kemp (LAD)
rf- Giles (SD)

Rotation: Lincecum (SF), Webb (AZ), Haren (AZ), Peavy (SD), Billingsley (LAD)
Bullpen: Brian Wilson (SF), Qualls (AZ), Rauch (AZ), Broxton (LAD), Bell (SD), Adams (SD), Affeldt (SF)

tooch
01-31-2009, 10:40 PM
^ yeah i was going to say why drew wasnt the starter but i didnt want to be the only one..

goldglove212
01-31-2009, 10:52 PM
AL east

Cf- BJ Upton
2b- Pedroia
3b- A-Rod (soon Longoria)
1b- Texiera
DH- Ortiz
Lf- Bay
Rf- Rios
SS- Jeter
C- Wieters

SP-Halladay
SP-Sabathia
SP-Beckett
SP-Lester
SP-Shields

Cl- Rivera
SU-Paps
SU-Joba
LR-Price

THINKBLUE15
01-31-2009, 11:26 PM
NL EAST:

Hanley Ramirez (FLA)
Carlos Beltran (NYM)
Chase Utley (PHI)
Ryan Howard (PHI)
David Wright (NYM)
Brian Mccan (ATL)
Raul Ibanez (NYM)
Elijah Dukes (WAS)

Rotation:
L Santana (NYM)
R Derek Lowe (ATL)
L Cole Hamels (PHI)
R John Maine
L Oliver Perez (**)

NL WEST:

(LA) Rafael Furcal-----(ARZ) Stephen Drew
(**) Orlando Hudson
(SD) Adrian Gonzalez
(**/LA) Manny Ramirez
(COL) Garrett Atkins
(LA) Matt Kemp
(LA) Andre Ethier (Upton can take over, but hasn't done anything yet)
(LA) Russell Martin

Rotation:
R Lincecum (SF)
R Peavy (SD)
R Webb (ARZ)
R Billingsley (LA)
R Haren (ARZ)
...wow...all righty roto.

NL CENTRAL:

A. Soriano (CHI)
N. Mclouth (PIT)
R. Braun (MIL)
A. Pujols (STL)
A. Ramirez (CHI)
G. Soto (CHI)
J. Hardy (MIL)
B. Phillips (CIN)

Roto:
Oswalt (HOU)
Zambrano (CHI)
Edinson Volquez (CIN)
Harden (CHI)
Wainwright (STL)

Madtown343
01-31-2009, 11:37 PM
Gallardo has not earned it yet, but he will above Zambrano (attitude), Harden (injuries), and will be much better than Wainwright.

bcransom
01-31-2009, 11:40 PM
C-Martin (LAD)
1b- Adrian Gonzalez (SD)
2b- Felipe Lopez (Az)
SS- Stephen Drew (Az)
3b- Ian Stewart (Col)
lf- Manny (LAD or SF)
cf- Kemp (LAD)
rf- Giles (SD)

Rotation: Lincecum (SF), Webb (AZ), Haren (AZ), Peavy (SD), Billingsley (LAD)
Bullpen: Brian Wilson (SF), Qualls (AZ), Rauch (AZ), Broxton (LAD), Bell (SD), Adams (SD), Affeldt (SF)

No. Ethier and Upton are better than him. Also, Atkins is COL's 3B.

lunarocks
01-31-2009, 11:53 PM
AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Brian Roberts
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Alex Rodriguez
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton
RF- Alex Rios
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Evan Longoria, Vernon Wells, Dustin Pedroia

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Scott Kazmir, James Shields

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Joba Chamberlain, BJ Ryan, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Grant Balfour

Manager: Terry Francona

AL Central
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Justin Morneau
2B- Alexei Ramirez
SS- Jhonny Peralta
3B- Miguel Cabrera
LF- Carlos Quentin
CF- Grady Sizemore
RF- Magglio Ordonez
DH- Travis Hafner

Bench- Victor Martinez, Alex Gordon, Carlos Guillen, Curtis Granderson

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Francisco Liriano, Justin Verlander, John Danks, Fausto Carmona

Bullpen- Joe Nathan, Bobby Jenks, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Octavio Dotel, Fernando Rodney, Ron Mahay

Manager: Jim Leyland

AL West
C- Mike Napoli
1B- Chris Davis
2B- Ian Kinsler
SS- Michael Young
3B- Chone Figgins
LF- Matt Holliday
CF- Ichiro
RF- Vladimir Guerrero

Bench- Kurt Sukuki, Adrian Beltre, Howie Kendrick, Torii Hunter

Rotation- John Lackey, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana, Justin Duchscherer, Joe Saunders

Bullpen- Brian Fuentes, Brad Ziegler, Frank Francisco, Scot Shields, Brandon Morrow, Jose Arredondo, Joey Devine

Manager: Mike Scosia

NL East
C- Brian McCann
1B- Ryan Howard
2B- Chase Utley
SS- Hanley Ramirez
3B- Chipper Jones
LF- Josh Willingham
CF- Carlos Beltran
RF- Jason Werth

Bench- Carlos Delgado, David Wright, Jose Reyes, Jorge Cantu

Rotation- Johan Santana, Cole Hamels, Derek Lowe, Ricky Nolasco, John Maine

Bullpen- Francisco Rodriguez, Brad Lidge, JJ Putz, Mike Gonzalez, Matt Lindstrom, Ryan Madson, JC Romero

Manager: Charlie Manuel

NL Central
C- Geovany Soto
1B- Albert Pujols
2B- Brandon Phillips
SS- Miguel Tejada
3B- Aramis Ramirez
LF- Ryan Braun
CF- Nate McLouth
RF- Ryan Ludwick

Bench- Ryan Doumit, Carlos Lee, Prince Fielder, Alfonso Soriano, Lance Berkman

Rotation- Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, Edinson Volquez, Adam Wainwright, Ryan Dempster

Bullpen- Jose Valverde, Carlos Marmol, Francisco Cordero, Matt Capps, Chris Perez, Trevor Hoffman, Jason Motte

Manager- Lou Pinella
NL West
C- Russell Martin
1B- Adrian Gonzalez
2B- Felipe Lopez
SS- Rafael Furcal
3B- Garrett Atkins
LF- Matt Kemp
CF- Aaron Rowand
RF- Andre Ethier

Bench- Bengie Molina, Conor Jackson, Stephen Drew, Todd Helton

Rotation- Brandon Webb, Tim Lincecum, Jake Peavy, Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley

Bullpen- Jonathan Broxton, Brian Wilson, Heath Bell, Chad Qualls, Manuel Corpas, Taylor Bucholoz, Tony Pena

Manager- Joe Torre

SnoopRock
02-01-2009, 12:01 AM
AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Brian Roberts
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Alex Rodriguez
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton
RF- Alex Rios
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Evan Longoria, Vernon Wells, Dustin Pedroia

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Scott Kazmir, James Shields

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Joba Chamberlain, BJ Ryan, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Grant Balfour

Manager: Terry Francona

AL Central
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Justin Morneau
2B- Alexei Ramirez
SS- Jhonny Peralta
3B- Miguel Cabrera
LF- Carlos Quentin
CF- Grady Sizemore
RF- Magglio Ordonez
DH- Travis Hafner

Bench- Victor Martinez, Alex Gordon, Carlos Guillen, Curtis Granderson

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Francisco Liriano, Justin Verlander, John Danks, Fausto Carmona

Bullpen- Joe Nathan, Bobby Jenks, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Octavio Dotel, Fernando Rodney, Ron Mahay

Manager: Jim Leyland

AL West
C- Mike Napoli
1B- Chris Davis
2B- Ian Kinsler
SS- Michael Young
3B- Chone Figgins
LF- Matt Holliday
CF- Ichiro
RF- Vladimir Guerrero

Bench- Kurt Sukuki, Adrian Beltre, Howie Kendrick, Torii Hunter

Rotation- John Lackey, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana, Justin Duchscherer, Joe Saunders

Bullpen- Brian Fuentes, Brad Ziegler, Frank Francisco, Scot Shields, Brandon Morrow, Jose Arredondo, Joey Devine

Manager: Mike Scosia

NL East
C- Brian McCann
1B- Ryan Howard
2B- Chase Utley
SS- Hanley Ramirez
3B- Chipper Jones
LF- Josh Willingham
CF- Carlos Beltran
RF- Jason Werth

Bench- Carlos Delgado, David Wright, Jose Reyes, Jorge Cantu

Rotation- Johan Santana, Cole Hamels, Derek Lowe, Ricky Nolasco, John Maine

Bullpen- Francisco Rodriguez, Brad Lidge, JJ Putz, Mike Gonzalez, Matt Lindstrom, Ryan Madson, JC Romero

Manager: Charlie Manuel

NL Central
C- Geovany Soto
1B- Albert Pujols
2B- Brandon Phillips
SS- Miguel Tejada
3B- Aramis Ramirez
LF- Ryan Braun
CF- Nate McLouth
RF- Ryan Ludwick

Bench- Ryan Doumit, Carlos Lee, Prince Fielder, Alfonso Soriano, Lance Berkman

Rotation- Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, Edinson Volquez, Adam Wainwright, Ryan Dempster

Bullpen- Jose Valverde, Carlos Marmol, Francisco Cordero, Matt Capps, Chris Perez, Trevor Hoffman, Jason Motte

Manager- Lou Pinella
NL West
C- Russell Martin
1B- Adrian Gonzalez
2B- Felipe Lopez
SS- Rafael Furcal
3B- Garrett Atkins
LF- Matt Kemp
CF- Aaron Rowand
RF- Andre Ethier

Bench- Bengie Molina, Conor Jackson, Stephen Drew, Todd Helton

Rotation- Brandon Webb, Tim Lincecum, Jake Peavy, Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley

Bullpen- Jonathan Broxton, Brian Wilson, Heath Bell, Chad Qualls, Manuel Corpas, Juan Cruz, Tony Pena

Manager- Joe Torre
That AL Central lineup is pretty nasty.

stevec6
02-01-2009, 02:13 AM
crawford is better than bay so he should starts lf for the al east

ritz
02-01-2009, 02:46 AM
nl east:

hanley ramirez (fla)
carlos beltran (nym)
chase utley (phi)
ryan howard (phi)
david wright (nym)
brian mccan (atl)
raul ibanez (nym)
elijah dukes (was)

rotation:
L santana (nym)
r derek lowe (atl)
l cole hamels (phi)
r john maine
l oliver perez (**)


(phi)*

Jones=Future
02-01-2009, 02:55 AM
I'm not sure that Lopez is the best 2b in the west

THINKBLUE15
02-01-2009, 02:58 AM
(phi)*

I know. I was copy/pasting players around, and Beltran's name was in front of those parentheses. I didn't notice I forgot to change it.

CY24
02-01-2009, 03:53 AM
I'm not sure that Lopez is the best 2b in the west

who else? Dewitt? no...Edgar Gonzalez? No. Clint Barmes? No. Emmanuel Burris? No

THINKBLUE15
02-01-2009, 03:59 AM
who else? Dewitt? no...Edgar Gonzalez? No. Clint Barmes? No. Emmanuel Burris? No

Yes

prodigy
02-01-2009, 10:21 AM
Manager: Terry Francona

AL Central
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Justin Morneau
2B- Alexei Ramirez
SS- Jhonny Peralta
3B- Miguel Cabrera
LF- Carlos Quentin
CF- Grady Sizemore
RF- Magglio Ordonez
DH- Travis Hafner

Bench- Victor Martinez, Alex Gordon, Carlos Guillen, Curtis Granderson

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Francisco Liriano, Justin Verlander, John Danks, Fausto Carmona

Bullpen- Joe Nathan, Bobby Jenks, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Octavio Dotel, Fernando Rodney, Ron Mahay


Rodney? Are we going to put him on roids?

Epic89
02-01-2009, 02:10 PM
So yeah, I definitely should've had A-Ram at 3rd for the NL Central as opposed to Glaus; no idea what I was thinking there, just forgot about him.

As for my managers: Francona, Leyland, Scioscia, Cox, Piniella, and Torre

tooch
02-01-2009, 02:12 PM
bob melvin ^

ugafan
02-01-2009, 02:19 PM
bob melvin ^

No.

ugafan
02-01-2009, 02:20 PM
No. Ethier and Upton are better than him. Also, Atkins is COL's 3B.

Giles is better than Upton and Ethier.
Easy.

EAGLES3658
02-01-2009, 02:23 PM
I don't know about thome at DH. If hafner is healthy then him hands down.

I would also have carmona over greinke.

linebrink and zumaya are not that good anymore. Zumaya throws to hard so he will always be getting hurt.

Why?

Epic89
02-01-2009, 02:29 PM
The best teams are definitely the AL East and NL West

isuk
02-01-2009, 02:34 PM
C-Martin (LAD)
1b- Adrian Gonzalez (SD)
2b- Felipe Lopez (Az)
SS- Stephen Drew (Az)
3b- Ian Stewart (Col)
lf- Manny (LAD or SF)
cf- Kemp (LAD)
rf- Giles (SD)

Rotation: Lincecum (SF), Webb (AZ), Haren (AZ), Peavy (SD), Billingsley (LAD)
Bullpen: Brian Wilson (SF), Qualls (AZ), Rauch (AZ), Broxton (LAD), Bell (SD), Adams (SD), Affeldt (SF)

Thank you CY for being honest. How can Lincecum be the second starter when he won the Cy young award.

Philly4life84
02-01-2009, 02:35 PM
AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Brian Roberts
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Alex Rodriguez
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton
RF- Alex Rios
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Evan Longoria, Vernon Wells, Dustin Pedroia

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Scott Kazmir, James Shields

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Joba Chamberlain, BJ Ryan, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Grant Balfour

Manager: Terry Francona

AL Central
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Justin Morneau
2B- Alexei Ramirez
SS- Jhonny Peralta
3B- Miguel Cabrera
LF- Carlos Quentin
CF- Grady Sizemore
RF- Magglio Ordonez
DH- Travis Hafner

Bench- Victor Martinez, Alex Gordon, Carlos Guillen, Curtis Granderson

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Francisco Liriano, Justin Verlander, John Danks, Fausto Carmona

Bullpen- Joe Nathan, Bobby Jenks, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Octavio Dotel, Fernando Rodney, Ron Mahay

Manager: Jim Leyland

AL West
C- Mike Napoli
1B- Chris Davis
2B- Ian Kinsler
SS- Michael Young
3B- Chone Figgins
LF- Matt Holliday
CF- Ichiro
RF- Vladimir Guerrero

Bench- Kurt Sukuki, Adrian Beltre, Howie Kendrick, Torii Hunter

Rotation- John Lackey, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana, Justin Duchscherer, Joe Saunders

Bullpen- Brian Fuentes, Brad Ziegler, Frank Francisco, Scot Shields, Brandon Morrow, Jose Arredondo, Joey Devine

Manager: Mike Scosia

NL East
C- Brian McCann
1B- Ryan Howard
2B- Chase Utley
SS- Hanley Ramirez
3B- Chipper Jones
LF- Josh Willingham
CF- Carlos Beltran
RF- Jason Werth

Bench- Carlos Delgado, David Wright, Jose Reyes, Jorge Cantu

Rotation- Johan Santana, Cole Hamels, Derek Lowe, Ricky Nolasco, John Maine

Bullpen- Francisco Rodriguez, Brad Lidge, JJ Putz, Mike Gonzalez, Matt Lindstrom, Ryan Madson, JC Romero

Manager: Charlie Manuel

NL Central
C- Geovany Soto
1B- Albert Pujols
2B- Brandon Phillips
SS- Miguel Tejada
3B- Aramis Ramirez
LF- Ryan Braun
CF- Nate McLouth
RF- Ryan Ludwick

Bench- Ryan Doumit, Carlos Lee, Prince Fielder, Alfonso Soriano, Lance Berkman

Rotation- Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, Edinson Volquez, Adam Wainwright, Ryan Dempster

Bullpen- Jose Valverde, Carlos Marmol, Francisco Cordero, Matt Capps, Chris Perez, Trevor Hoffman, Jason Motte

Manager- Lou Pinella
NL West
C- Russell Martin
1B- Adrian Gonzalez
2B- Felipe Lopez
SS- Rafael Furcal
3B- Garrett Atkins
LF- Matt Kemp
CF- Aaron Rowand
RF- Andre Ethier

Bench- Bengie Molina, Conor Jackson, Stephen Drew, Todd Helton

Rotation- Brandon Webb, Tim Lincecum, Jake Peavy, Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley

Bullpen- Jonathan Broxton, Brian Wilson, Heath Bell, Chad Qualls, Manuel Corpas, Taylor Bucholoz, Tony Pena

Manager- Joe Torre
You mean to tell me you would rather have Delgado or Cantu over Rollins?:confused: cause that makes no sense and Lidge is the closer he was perfect last season with way less oppurtunities. K-Rod blew 7 saves. Give Lidge 69 oppurtunities to save games and he'll do as good if not better than K-Rod.

ugafan
02-01-2009, 02:53 PM
You mean to tell me you would rather have Delgado or Cantu over Rollins?:confused: cause that makes no sense and Lidge is the closer he was perfect last season with way less oppurtunities. K-Rod blew 7 saves. Give Lidge 69 oppurtunities to save games and he'll do as good if not better than K-Rod.

Jose Reyes is already on the bench, the team doesn't need 3 SS

cambovenzi
02-01-2009, 03:22 PM
You mean to tell me you would rather have Delgado or Cantu over Rollins?:confused: cause that makes no sense and Lidge is the closer he was perfect last season with way less oppurtunities. K-Rod blew 7 saves. Give Lidge 69 oppurtunities to save games and he'll do as good if not better than K-Rod.

lidge had one good year out of 3. good for him.
ill still take Krod.

and UGA already pointed out that jrolls is the 3rd best SS.
a good power hitting 1Bman will be a better bench player fit than loading up on SS's.

NYYankeesWin#27
02-01-2009, 03:44 PM
al east

c posada
1b tex
2b roberts (sorry but pedroia hit good 4 1 year lets c him be more consistent)
ss jeter
3b arod
lf crawford
cf upton
rf rios
dh ortiz

rotation
cc
halladay
kazmir
beckett
burnett

closer
rivera
setup
papelbon
sherill

brandonwarne52
02-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Gotta go with Slowey or Baker over Verlander at this point.

Fausto Carmona? Uh, not after last year.

I think you could find better than Jensen Lewis, too. Maybe someone who K's a guy an inning, or has a WHIP lower than 1.40

CY24
02-01-2009, 04:22 PM
bob melvin ^
**** No

CY24
02-01-2009, 04:25 PM
Yes
Why? he hasn't done **** in the majors yet. If you put Dewitt up then Upton should go up in right.

bal_ravens
02-01-2009, 04:32 PM
That would be awesome if they did some sort of mini tournment like this. I would find it more interesting then an all-star game.

Cheezombie
02-01-2009, 05:04 PM
why do the 2 of the AL west have chone figgins as the 3b? Beltre is waaaay better.

quade36
02-01-2009, 06:04 PM
Gotta go with Slowey or Baker over Verlander at this point.

Fausto Carmona? Uh, not after last year.

I think you could find better than Jensen Lewis, too. Maybe someone who K's a guy an inning, or has a WHIP lower than 1.40

I think he went with Verlander based on what he did in the past. Also if you are going to base things off last year seeing as though you have to with Slowey and Baker you'd have to take Floyd and Danks over Slowey and Baker.

Of the four, I'd take Danks. However, based on career, I'd still take Verlander. losing 17 games was more his team's fault than his especially since his ERA was under 5.00

I agree about Carmona. I am not sold on him yet. One good season in three doesn't prove much in my eyes.

Also here are a list of relivers that are better then Lewis and not on his list. Matt Thornton, Dennys Reyes, Freddi Dolsi and Ramon Ramirez.

Of those guys, I'd put Thornton as the most established even though Dolsi and Ramirez have the best stuff.

MooseWithFleas
02-01-2009, 06:14 PM
NL East owns the rest of those divisonal teams

Giannis94
02-01-2009, 06:21 PM
what about fielder on the bench'

yahmez88
02-01-2009, 06:51 PM
I am surprised of all the AL East teams leaving out Markakis...

chicagocubsfan
02-01-2009, 07:33 PM
All of the cubs plus Braun

iDaBears85
02-01-2009, 08:09 PM
All of the cubs plus Braun

And the Cardinals lineup in the post season

AmazinMets
02-01-2009, 08:10 PM
You mean to tell me you would rather have Delgado or Cantu over Rollins?:confused: cause that makes no sense and Lidge is the closer he was perfect last season with way less oppurtunities. K-Rod blew 7 saves. Give Lidge 69 oppurtunities to save games and he'll do as good if not better than K-Rod.So you're telling me this team is fine with 3 SS and only one catcher?

GimmeAD
02-01-2009, 08:42 PM
lidge had one good year out of 3. good for him.
ill still take Krod.

and UGA already pointed out that jrolls is the 3rd best SS.
a good power hitting 1Bman will be a better bench player fit than loading up on SS's.

yea just leave out 2005, because he was garbage that year too :rolleyes:

GimmeAD
02-01-2009, 08:44 PM
So you're telling me this team is fine with 3 SS and only one catcher?

so you can read what 2 other people post...then post the same thing...congrats! thanks for your input!

lunarocks
02-01-2009, 10:11 PM
what about fielder on the bench'
I thought I editted it with him


I think he went with Verlander based on what he did in the past. Also if you are going to base things off last year seeing as though you have to with Slowey and Baker you'd have to take Floyd and Danks over Slowey and Baker.

Of the four, I'd take Danks. However, based on career, I'd still take Verlander. losing 17 games was more his team's fault than his especially since his ERA was under 5.00

I agree about Carmona. I am not sold on him yet. One good season in three doesn't prove much in my eyes.

Also here are a list of relivers that are better then Lewis and not on his list. Matt Thornton, Dennys Reyes, Freddi Dolsi and Ramon Ramirez.

Of those guys, I'd put Thornton as the most established even though Dolsi and Ramirez have the best stuff.
Well I did Verlander thinking of the 100mph no hitter pitcher

why do the 2 of the AL west have chone figgins as the 3b? Beltre is waaaay better.
He is too slow and fat and overpaid

Gotta go with Slowey or Baker over Verlander at this point.

Fausto Carmona? Uh, not after last year.

I think you could find better than Jensen Lewis, too. Maybe someone who K's a guy an inning, or has a WHIP lower than 1.40


You mean to tell me you would rather have Delgado or Cantu over Rollins?:confused: cause that makes no sense and Lidge is the closer he was perfect last season with way less oppurtunities. K-Rod blew 7 saves. Give Lidge 69 oppurtunities to save games and he'll do as good if not better than K-Rod.
For some reason I couldn't think of the names of any of the twin's pitchers. All I could think of is Blackburn but I dont think hes the ace

Giles is better than Upton and Ethier.
Easy.
Giles is too old

I'm not sure that Lopez is the best 2b in the west
Well he was an all star one year

Cheezombie
02-01-2009, 10:34 PM
lunarocks, you have no idea what you're talking about. Beltre only made 13 million last season, and what he did last year was worth more like 18 million. He had a wOBA of .336 vs figgins .319 with better defense. He also has a higher SB% than figgins. Do some research before making rediculous claims.

chicagocubsfan
02-01-2009, 11:07 PM
And the Cardinals lineup in the post season id at least take pujous, but not much else

hawksd911
02-01-2009, 11:36 PM
nl east Bullpens beastly

brandonwarne52
02-01-2009, 11:39 PM
LOL you haven't heard of any of the Twins pitchers because only Liriano gets hype.

Baker and Slowey were nasty last year, Blackburn was pretty solid, and Perkins was really good for a 5th starter.

quade36
02-02-2009, 12:07 AM
lunarocks, you have no idea what you're talking about. Beltre only made 13 million last season, and what he did last year was worth more like 18 million. He had a wOBA of .336 vs figgins .319 with better defense. He also has a higher SB% than figgins. Do some research before making rediculous claims.

Wait wait. I am confused. Adrien Beltre worth more like 18 million? You mean more like 8? He is not that good. Seattle way overpaid for him because he had one stellar season, gee contract season...

As for 3B in the AL West, very very weak. If you take out the last two years I'd easily go with Eric Chavez. But, I guess I'd still go with Figgins over Beltre for several reasons. First, I can't believe you'd make a comment that he has a higher SB% than figgins. Based on that, I guess Johjima has a higher percentage too. Wow, he only had 8 freakin steals. Figgins had 34, not even comparable. And who cares if he has a higher wOBA? Figgins doesn't get a lot of extra base hits.

Figgins has a much greater value for the type of player he is then Beltre does for the type of player he is.

Finally, what did Beltre do? He hit .266 had 25 HRs 77 RBIs for a team that lost over 100 games. Well worth 18 mil if you ask me...

quade36
02-02-2009, 12:10 AM
LOL you haven't heard of any of the Twins pitchers because only Liriano gets hype.

Baker and Slowey were nasty last year, Blackburn was pretty solid, and Perkins was really good for a 5th starter.

Baker and Slowey were good last year, but Floyd and Danks were better. Of course thats not to say Baker and Slowey won't be better in the long run, but if you are going to pick pitchers based on stats from last year, well again I say Danks should be picked over Carmona.

As for Twins pitchers I think they let a good one get away in Matt Garza. Boy he would look good in their rotation next year.

Cheezombie
02-02-2009, 01:06 AM
Wait wait. I am confused. Adrien Beltre worth more like 18 million? You mean more like 8? He is not that good. Seattle way overpaid for him because he had one stellar season, gee contract season...

As for 3B in the AL West, very very weak. If you take out the last two years I'd easily go with Eric Chavez. But, I guess I'd still go with Figgins over Beltre for several reasons. First, I can't believe you'd make a comment that he has a higher SB% than figgins. Based on that, I guess Johjima has a higher percentage too. Wow, he only had 8 freakin steals. Figgins had 34, not even comparable. And who cares if he has a higher wOBA? Figgins doesn't get a lot of extra base hits.

Figgins has a much greater value for the type of player he is then Beltre does for the type of player he is.

Finally, what did Beltre do? He hit .266 had 25 HRs 77 RBIs for a team that lost over 100 games. Well worth 18 mil if you ask me...

1. SB: i was looking at the past 2 years. He has stolen 22 bases, and only caught 4 times. SB% is more important than the total number of stolen bases. Sure Figgins stole 34 bags, but got caught 13 times! Giving away outs is exactly the opposite of what you want to do. But in the end, the difference these players contribute with their stolen bases is like 1 run at best.

2. Saying he's a less valuable player for the type of player he is is utterly rediculous. The most valuable offensive players are cleanup type hitters. You want as many of those type of hitters as possible. Hitters with good OBP and good SLG. The fact that Figgins has no power makes him less valuable. When you campare "types" of players, you should be comparing them with other players of that position.

3. Who cares if he has a higher wOBA? Because that's much better way to compare players than stolen bases? "Figgins doesn't get a lot of extra base hits" ....sooo are you arguing for figgins or against him? I would rather have someone that hits extra base hits than doesn't, that's why beltre is more valuable.

4. Beltre is about a half run better than Figgins on defense.

5. When you factor in Beltre's defense, his position, his offensive production, and park factors, he was a 4 win player(courtesy of fangraphs). Teams spend 18 million dollars on 4 win players. Figgins was like a 2.3 win player.

¿QUE?
02-02-2009, 01:25 AM
C- McCann
1B- Howard
2B- Was tempted to put the Great Luis Castillo, but had to go with Utley
SS- HanRam
3B- Wright
LF- Put Chipper in Left, but as regualr Lf, I guess Ibanez?
CF- Beltran
RF- Werth maybe

Bench- Jose Reyes, Vic, Delgado, Chipper, Jesus Flores

rotation- Johan, Hamels, Lowe, Nolasco, Ollie

Bullpen- Lidge, Krod, Putz, Ryan Madson, J.C Romero, Matt Lindstrom, Mike Gonzalez

Cubs Man 5
02-02-2009, 01:40 AM
Gallardo has not earned it yet, but he will above Zambrano (attitude), Harden (injuries), and will be much better than Wainwright.

Attitude? Really?

Zambrano is better then Gallardo period.

So is Harden.

KKell2507
02-02-2009, 01:43 AM
are we doing this in overall careers or just right now?

cause for the nl east you could possibly give an argument for francoeur in right vs. what many people said werth. francoeur has been great if you take out last year. just something else to throw out there.

Sox Appeal
02-02-2009, 02:05 AM
AL Central

C - Joe Mauer
1B - Justin Morneau
2B - Alexei Ramirez
3B - Alex Gordon
SS - Johnny Peralta
LF - Carlos Quentin
CF - Grady Sizemore
RF - Magglio Ordonez
DH - Jim Thome

Bench - Curtis Granderson, AJ Pierzynski, Jermaine Dye, Carlos Guillen

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Mark Buehrle, Zack Greinke, John Danks, Scott Baker

Bullpen- Bobby Jenks, Joe Nathan, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Octavio Dotel, Joel Zumaya, Matt Thornton

brandonwarne52
02-02-2009, 05:00 AM
Liriano > Baker.

Sport
02-02-2009, 05:26 AM
Liriano > Baker.

Off of last season? Id have to disagree with you.

brandonwarne52
02-02-2009, 05:27 AM
Get at me when Baker K's a guy an inning.

Baker career numbers:
4.23 ERA
337-101 K-BB
1.29 WHIP

Liriano career numbers:
3.14 ERA
244-71 K-BB
1.14 WHIP

Sport
02-02-2009, 05:36 AM
Get at me when Baker K's a guy an inning.

Baker career numbers:
4.23 ERA
337-101 K-BB
1.29 WHIP

Liriano career numbers:
3.14 ERA
244-71 K-BB
1.14 WHIP

Like I said. Off of last years stats?

People are still on the Liriano "hype" and not what hes actually done lately.

Baker showed how good he can be. As a Twins fan, Im taking Baker all day over Liriano until he can prove to stay healthy and consistant.

brandonwarne52
02-02-2009, 05:39 AM
Liriano 2nd half:
2.74 ERA
60K/19BB in 65.2 IP
.678 OPS against

quade36
02-02-2009, 10:11 AM
1. SB: i was looking at the past 2 years. He has stolen 22 bases, and only caught 4 times. SB% is more important than the total number of stolen bases. Sure Figgins stole 34 bags, but got caught 13 times! Giving away outs is exactly the opposite of what you want to do. But in the end, the difference these players contribute with their stolen bases is like 1 run at best.

2. Saying he's a less valuable player for the type of player he is is utterly rediculous. The most valuable offensive players are cleanup type hitters. You want as many of those type of hitters as possible. Hitters with good OBP and good SLG. The fact that Figgins has no power makes him less valuable. When you campare "types" of players, you should be comparing them with other players of that position.

3. Who cares if he has a higher wOBA? Because that's much better way to compare players than stolen bases? "Figgins doesn't get a lot of extra base hits" ....sooo are you arguing for figgins or against him? I would rather have someone that hits extra base hits than doesn't, that's why beltre is more valuable.

4. Beltre is about a half run better than Figgins on defense.

5. When you factor in Beltre's defense, his position, his offensive production, and park factors, he was a 4 win player(courtesy of fangraphs). Teams spend 18 million dollars on 4 win players. Figgins was like a 2.3 win player.

Wow. just wow. I've never seen someone so into Beltre before. Look I had a Beltre type player on my team. One that until last year was a better defensive player then Beltre. Joe Crede. His stats, sans that one year for Beltre (contract year) are just the same and he was nothing more than a role player on the White Sox.

Also, my whole point was YOU CAN'T COMPARE STATS on players that are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. And help teams in different ways. Which by the way you are now comparing 22 steals for two seasons to 34 for one (Figgins had a total of 75 steals the two seasons) Steals aren't freakin even important. The difference is when Figgins is on base he is a threat to steal. Which makes the players after him see better pitches because a pitcher is more likely to make a mistake due to the attention they are paying on him.

My whole point with the wOBA being a useless comparison stat between the two is because Figgins doesn't hit HRs. Crap you might as will anoint Beltre better then your boy Ichiro based on that silly logic. Beltre's wOBA was higher than Ichiro's.

When Seattle signed Beltre to that ridiculous contract all I heard from Mariner fans was how awesome he was. How he was one of the best players in the NL. I responded by saying if he keeps up his stats he had that one year then yes. But 3 years later and he is normal. His .271 career avg would be even worse if he didn't have that ONE season where he batted over .290. And that ONE season he had over a .485 slg percentage. That is horrible for a power hitter, number 4 type hitter like you are saying.

Sorry maybe I expect more out of my best hitters. Again I look at my team. There are 3 players I consider tremendously better then Beltre, only one makes as much as him. Quentin, Dye, and Thome. All had more HRs, way higher SLG, more walks, and a higher wOBA. So if he were on the White Sox he'd be below them. I'd also say he'd be below Ramirez and Konerko as well on the talent depth chart. So he may be the stud on your team, but on my team, a team I feel isn't even close to being the best hitting team in baseball, he is what sixth.

quade36
02-02-2009, 10:14 AM
AL Central

C - Joe Mauer
1B - Justin Morneau
2B - Alexei Ramirez
3B - Alex Gordon
SS - Johnny Peralta
LF - Carlos Quentin
CF - Grady Sizemore
RF - Magglio Ordonez
DH - Jim Thome

Bench - Curtis Granderson, AJ Pierzynski, Jermaine Dye, Carlos Guillen

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Mark Buehrle, Zack Greinke, John Danks, Scott Baker

Bullpen- Bobby Jenks, Joe Nathan, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Octavio Dotel, Joel Zumaya, Matt Thornton


Again Ramirez isn't 2B anymore, he is a SS.

I'd have to say Polanco would be the 2B in the AL Central.

bbrennek
02-02-2009, 10:58 AM
AL Central
C Joe Mauer
1B Justin Morneau
2B Placido Polanco
SS Jhonny Peralta
3B Mark DeRosa
LF Carlos Quentin
CF Grady Sizemore
RF Shin-Soo Choo
DH Travis Hafner

Bench: Miguel Cabrera, Victor Martinez, Magglio Ordonez, Alexei Ramirez
Rotation: Cliff Lee, John Danks, Francisco Liriano, Fausto Carmona, Zach Greinke
Bullpen: Rafael Perez, Joe Nathan, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton, and Joel Zumaya

tooch
02-02-2009, 12:11 PM
Nothing can beat the NL West rotation

chicagocubsfan
02-02-2009, 01:10 PM
AL Central
C Joe Mauer
1B Justin Morneau
2B Placido Polanco
SS Jhonny Peralta
3B Mark DeRosa
LF Carlos Quentin
CF Grady Sizemore
RF Shin-Soo Choo
DH Travis Hafner

Bench: Miguel Cabrera, Victor Martinez, Magglio Ordonez, Alexei Ramirez
Rotation: Cliff Lee, John Danks, Francisco Liriano, Fausto Carmona, Zach Greinke
Bullpen: Rafael Perez, Joe Nathan, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton, and Joel Zumaya
derosa over cabrera? i like him as much as anyone but not over Cabrera:speechless:

prodigy
02-02-2009, 01:28 PM
Why?


Because he is better. hurt last season so don't even say that. 18 game winner the year before.

prodigy
02-02-2009, 01:29 PM
derosa over cabrera? i like him as much as anyone but not over Cabrera:speechless:



cabrera plays 1st base now.

Cheezombie
02-02-2009, 02:25 PM
Wow. just wow. I've never seen someone so into Beltre before. Look I had a Beltre type player on my team. One that until last year was a better defensive player then Beltre. Joe Crede. His stats, sans that one year for Beltre (contract year) are just the same and he was nothing more than a role player on the White Sox.

Also, my whole point was YOU CAN'T COMPARE STATS on players that are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. And help teams in different ways. Which by the way you are now comparing 22 steals for two seasons to 34 for one (Figgins had a total of 75 steals the two seasons) Steals aren't freakin even important. The difference is when Figgins is on base he is a threat to steal. Which makes the players after him see better pitches because a pitcher is more likely to make a mistake due to the attention they are paying on him.

My whole point with the wOBA being a useless comparison stat between the two is because Figgins doesn't hit HRs. Crap you might as will anoint Beltre better then your boy Ichiro based on that silly logic. Beltre's wOBA was higher than Ichiro's.

When Seattle signed Beltre to that ridiculous contract all I heard from Mariner fans was how awesome he was. How he was one of the best players in the NL. I responded by saying if he keeps up his stats he had that one year then yes. But 3 years later and he is normal. His .271 career avg would be even worse if he didn't have that ONE season where he batted over .290. And that ONE season he had over a .485 slg percentage. That is horrible for a power hitter, number 4 type hitter like you are saying.

Sorry maybe I expect more out of my best hitters. Again I look at my team. There are 3 players I consider tremendously better then Beltre, only one makes as much as him. Quentin, Dye, and Thome. All had more HRs, way higher SLG, more walks, and a higher wOBA. So if he were on the White Sox he'd be below them. I'd also say he'd be below Ramirez and Konerko as well on the talent depth chart. So he may be the stud on your team, but on my team, a team I feel isn't even close to being the best hitting team in baseball, he is what sixth.

Of course you can compare stats to players who are completely different. We are comparing 3b in this thread, not beltre with power hitters. It's completely irrelevant, because 3b is an average hitting position. You can't compare a 3b to a DH. The reason they're a DH is because they cannot play in the field, that's why DH are good at hitting, because there is a surplus of bad fielding hitters. There is not a surplus of good hitting good fielding 3b. Beltre is an above average hitter at his position, figgins is not. What is all the love over figgins?? Everyone fell in love with him because of his 2007 season, in which he was the luckiest player ever with his .399 babip. I saw his falloff a mile away. The guy isn't very good. Wake up and smell the goddamn coffee. Figgins would be a more valuable player if he hit more home runs, I don't get your argument.
Yes, when Seattle signed him to that "rediculous contract at the time". He had all kind of hype because of his last year in LA. He didn't live up to it at the time, but since, the market caught up and passed him( I mean Torii Hunter is making 18 mil, that's just wrong) and he's silently become worth more than his contract. Don't even compare Crede to Beltre. Crede can't get on base.

harborboy
02-02-2009, 03:07 PM
NL Central
C- Geovany Soto
1B- Albert Pujols
2B- Brandon Phillips
SS- JJ Hardy
3B- Troy Glaus
LF- Ryan Braun
CF- Nate McLouth
RF- Jay Bruce

Bench- Ryan Doumit, Rickie Weeks, Joey Votto, Alfonso Soriano

Rotation- Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, Edinson Volquez, Adam Wainwright, Yovani Gallardo

Bullpen- Jose Valverde, Carlos Marmol, Francisco Cordero, Matt Capps, Chris Perez, Kevin Gregg, Ryan Franklin



A-Ram>>> Glaus

Milton Bradley>>>Jay Bruce

thats just my homer-ish opinion

lorenchen
02-02-2009, 04:12 PM
AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Dustin Pedroia
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Kevin Youkilis
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton?
RF- Nick Markakis?
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Brian Roberts?, Evan Longoria, Alex Rios

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Daisuke Matsutsuka, John Smoltz

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Justin Masterson, BJ Ryan?, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Scott Downs?

mnrlgry
02-02-2009, 04:27 PM
A-Ram>>> Glaus

Milton Bradley>>>Jay Bruce

thats just my homer-ish opinion

Could you explain to me why Ramirez is so much better then Glaus?

mdlr52192
02-02-2009, 04:37 PM
AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Dustin Pedroia
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Alex Rodriguez
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton
RF- Nick Markakis
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Brian Roberts, Evan Longoria, Alex Rios, Adam Jones

Rotation- Roy Halladay, Jon Lester, CC Sabathia, Josh Beckett, Scott Kazmir

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Dan Wheeler, BJ Ryan, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell


AL Central
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Miguel Cabrera
2B- Placido Polanco
SS- Alexei Ramirez
3B- Alex Gordon
LF- Carlos Quentin
CF- Grady Sizemore
RF- Magglio Ordonez
DH- Jim Thome

Bench- Victor Martinez, Justin Morneau, Mike Aviles, Curtis Granderson

Rotation- Cliff Lee, John Danks, Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Mark Buerhle

Bullpen- Joe Nathan, Bobby Jenks, Joakim Soria, Scott Linebrink, Joel Zumaya, Jensen Lewis


AL West
C- Mike Napoli
1B- Josh Hamilton
2B- Ian Kinsler
SS- Bobby Crosby (Young doesn't play shortstop anymore, I don't think anyone else is good, I haven't seen Andrus yet so I don't know about him)
3B- Adrian Beltre
LF- Matt Holliday
CF- Ichiro
RF- Vladimir Guerrero

Bench- Taylor Teagarden, Adrian Beltre, Howie Kendrick, Torii Hunter, Michael Young0

Rotation- John Lackey, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana, Justin Duchscherer, Joe Saunders

Bullpen- Brian Fuentes, Brad Ziegler, Frank Francisco, Scot Shields, Brandon Morrow, Jose Arredondo, Joey Devine


NL East
C- Brian McCann
1B- Ryan Howard
2B- Chase Utley
SS- Hanley Ramirez
3B- David Wright
LF- Raul Ibanez
CF- Carlos Beltran
RF- Elijah Dukes

Bench- Carlos Delgado, Chipper Jones, Jose Reyes, Shane Victorino

Rotation- Cole Hamels, Johan Santana, Derek Lowe, Ricky Nolasco, John Maine

Bullpen- Francisco Rodriguez, Brad Lidge, JJ Putz, Mike Gonzalez, Matt Lindstrom, Ryan Madson, Joel Hanrahan


NL Central
C- Geovany Soto
1B- Albert Pujols
2B- Brandon Phillips
SS- JJ Hardy
3B- Aramis Ramirez
LF- Ryan Braun
CF- Nate McLouth
RF- Jay Bruce

Bench- Ryan Doumit, Rickie Weeks, Joey Votto, Alfonso Soriano

Rotation- Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, Edinson Volquez, Adam Wainwright, Yovani Gallardo

Bullpen- Jose Valverde, Carlos Marmol, Francisco Cordero, Matt Capps, Chris Perez, Ryan Franklin


NL West
C- Russell Martin
1B- Adrian Gonzalez
2B- Orlando Hudson**
SS- Stephen Drew
3B- Garrett Atkins
LF- Manny Ramirez**
CF- Matt Kemp
RF- Andre Ethier

Bench- Bengie Molina, Conor Jackson, Stephen Drew, Eric Brynes

Rotation- Tim Lincecum, Jake Peavy, Brandon Webb, Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley

Bullpen- Jonathan Broxton, Brian Wilson, Heath Bell, Chad Qualls, Jon Rauch, Taylor Buchholz, Hong-Chi Kuo

quade36
02-02-2009, 04:39 PM
Of course you can compare stats to players who are completely different. We are comparing 3b in this thread, not beltre with power hitters. It's completely irrelevant, because 3b is an average hitting position. You can't compare a 3b to a DH. The reason they're a DH is because they cannot play in the field, that's why DH are good at hitting, because there is a surplus of bad fielding hitters. There is not a surplus of good hitting good fielding 3b. Beltre is an above average hitter at his position, figgins is not. What is all the love over figgins?? Everyone fell in love with him because of his 2007 season, in which he was the luckiest player ever with his .399 babip. I saw his falloff a mile away. The guy isn't very good. Wake up and smell the goddamn coffee. Figgins would be a more valuable player if he hit more home runs, I don't get your argument.
Yes, when Seattle signed him to that "rediculous contract at the time". He had all kind of hype because of his last year in LA. He didn't live up to it at the time, but since, the market caught up and passed him( I mean Torii Hunter is making 18 mil, that's just wrong) and he's silently become worth more than his contract. Don't even compare Crede to Beltre. Crede can't get on base.

Uh yes compare Crede to Beltre. Last I checked he couldn't get on base either, sans that one year in LA. Crede's career OBP is .306, Beltres .327. Both aren't good at all. Crede, through the years has been a better defender. He has similar power numbers. Doesn't K nearly as much as Beltre. Mind you I never said Crede was good. Just like I don't think Beltre is good. Want to compare Beltre to a stud 3B. Compare his numbers to David Wright's.

As for Figgins a career .290 hitter, career .356 OBP, is an annoyance on the basepath. and is a valuable commodity as a leadoff hitter.

My comparison before was valid. See Figgins helps a team much more being the type of player he is then Beltre. Beltre the typical 25HR 75 RBI .265 avg is a dime a dozen. If you guys didn't have Ichiro maybe you'd appreciate what a good leadoff hitter does for a team a little more.

AntiG
02-02-2009, 04:39 PM
Pelfrey is better than Maine, Lowe or Nolasco...

brandonwarne52
02-02-2009, 04:40 PM
If Crede's a better defender than Beltre, it's by a razor thin margin.

lorenchen
02-02-2009, 04:42 PM
Youk should be 1st base in AL East
Dice-K and Smoltz should be starters

mdlr52192
02-02-2009, 04:54 PM
Pelfrey is better than Maine, Lowe or Nolasco...

He's definitely not better than Nolasco. Nolasco had the better record, had the better ERA, and more strikeouts (a lot more) in the same amount of starts. So I don't see how he's better than Nolasco first of all. While Pelfrey and Maine have been on the Mets, Maine was better, so that's wrong too. And he's definitely not better than Lowe, who has done better than Pelfrey throughout the past three years. Pelfrey had one DECENT year and you're tryin to make it seem like he should be an ace. Maybe when Pelfrey's overall record is over .500 he can brought into a discussion with these guys. Just look at his stats the two years before last. BAD

@1b Buckner
02-02-2009, 05:32 PM
Put together the best team from each division...

**= FA; played in division in 08

AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Dustin Pedroia
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Alex Rodriguez
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton
RF- Nick Markakis
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Brian Roberts, Evan Longoria, Alex Rios

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Scott Kazmir, AJ Burnett

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Dan Wheeler, BJ Ryan, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Scott Downs


AL Central
C- Joe Mauer
1B- Miguel Cabrera
2B- Alexei Ramirez
SS- Jhonny Peralta
3B- Alex Gordon
LF- Carlos Quentin
CF- Grady Sizemore
RF- Magglio Ordonez
DH- Jim Thome

Bench- Victor Martinez, Justin Morneau, Mike Aviles, Curtis Granderson

Rotation- Cliff Lee, Francisco Liriano, Justin Verlander, Mark Buerhle, Zach Greinke

Bullpen- Joe Nathan, Bobby Jenks, Joakim Soria, Kerry Wood, Scott Linebrink, Joel Zumaya, Jensen Lewis


AL West
C- Mike Napoli
1B- Chris Davis
2B- Ian Kinsler
SS- Michael Young
3B- Chone Figgins
LF- Matt Holliday
CF- Ichiro
RF- Vladimir Guerrero

Bench- Taylor Teagarden, Adrian Beltre, Howie Kendrick, Torii Hunter

Rotation- John Lackey, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana, Justin Duchscherer, Joe Saunders

Bullpen- Brian Fuentes, Brad Ziegler, Frank Francisco, Scot Shields, Brandon Morrow, Jose Arredondo, Joey Devine


NL East
C- Brian McCann
1B- Ryan Howard
2B- Chase Utley
SS- Hanley Ramirez
3B- David Wright
LF- Raul Ibanez
CF- Carlos Beltran
RF- Elijah Dukes

Bench- Carlos Delgado, Chipper Jones, Jose Reyes, Shane Victorino

Rotation- Johan Santana, Cole Hamels, Derek Lowe, Ricky Nolasco, John Maine

Bullpen- Francisco Rodriguez, Brad Lidge, JJ Putz, Mike Gonzalez, Matt Lindstrom, Ryan Madson, Joel Hanrahan


NL Central
C- Geovany Soto
1B- Albert Pujols
2B- Brandon Phillips
SS- JJ Hardy
3B- Troy Glaus
LF- Ryan Braun
CF- Nate McLouth
RF- Jay Bruce

Bench- Ryan Doumit, Rickie Weeks, Joey Votto, Alfonso Soriano

Rotation- Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano, Edinson Volquez, Adam Wainwright, Yovani Gallardo

Bullpen- Jose Valverde, Carlos Marmol, Francisco Cordero, Matt Capps, Chris Perez, Kevin Gregg, Ryan Franklin


NL West
C- Russell Martin
1B- Adrian Gonzalez
2B- Orlando Hudson**
SS- Rafael Furcal
3B- Garrett Atkins
LF- Manny Ramirez**
CF- Matt Kemp
RF- Andre Ethier

Bench- Bengie Molina, Conor Jackson, Stephen Drew, Eric Brynes

Rotation- Brandon Webb, Tim Lincecum, Jake Peavy, Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley

Bullpen- Jonathan Broxton, Brian Wilson, Heath Bell, Chad Qualls, Jon Rauch, Taylor Buchholz, Hong-Chi Kuo

How is Hamilton not even on the AL WEST bench? And Dukes blows.

GimmeAD
02-02-2009, 05:53 PM
If Crede's a better defender than Beltre, it's by a razor thin margin.

i'd say its a wash...

harborboy
02-02-2009, 06:22 PM
Could you explain to me why Ramirez is so much better then Glaus?

ops last 3 seasons

glaus
.855
.839
.868

Ramirez
.898
.915
.913

quade36
02-02-2009, 06:43 PM
If Crede's a better defender than Beltre, it's by a razor thin margin.

My point is they both suck... Or are both average players. Nothing special

ritz
02-02-2009, 06:48 PM
NLE pwnz

¿QUE?
02-02-2009, 06:51 PM
AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Dustin Pedroia
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Kevin Youkilis
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton?
RF- Nick Markakis?
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Brian Roberts?, Evan Longoria, Alex Rios

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Daisuke Matsutsuka, John Smoltz

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Justin Masterson, BJ Ryan?, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Scott Downs?

No A-rod?

ugafan
02-02-2009, 07:40 PM
AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Dustin Pedroia
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Kevin Youkilis
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton?
RF- Nick Markakis?
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Brian Roberts?, Evan Longoria, Alex Rios

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Daisuke Matsutsuka, John Smoltz

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Justin Masterson, BJ Ryan?, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Scott Downs?

A-Rod?
Seriously?


Youk should be 1st base in AL East
Dice-K and Smoltz should be starters
:pity:

You made your own ****ing team and had Tex at first.

chicagocubsfan
02-02-2009, 08:27 PM
Could you explain to me why Ramirez is so much better then Glaus?hes not terrible

vermilion53
02-03-2009, 08:18 AM
AL CENTRAL
C. Joe Maurer
1B. Justin Morneau
2B. Alexei Rameriz
SS. Jhonny Perlata
3B. Alex Gordon
LF. Carlos Quinten
CF. David DeJesus
RF. Magglio Ordonez

ROTATION
1. Cliff Lee
2. Mark Buerhle
3. Francisco Liariano
4. Justin Verlander
5. Scott Baker

Reliever
1. Jesse Crain
2. Thorton
3. Matt Gurierre

Closer
Bobby Jenks

prodigy
02-03-2009, 10:52 AM
AL CENTRAL
C. Joe Maurer
1B. Justin Morneau
2B. Alexei Rameriz
SS. Jhonny Perlata
3B. Alex Gordon
LF. Carlos Quinten
CF. David DeJesus
RF. Magglio Ordonez

ROTATION
1. Cliff Lee
2. Mark Buerhle
3. Francisco Liariano
4. Justin Verlander
5. Scott Baker

Reliever
1. Jesse Crain
2. Thorton
3. Matt Gurierre

Closer
Bobby Jenks

lol

Cheezombie
02-06-2009, 12:29 AM
Uh yes compare Crede to Beltre. Last I checked he couldn't get on base either, sans that one year in LA. Crede's career OBP is .306, Beltres .327. Both aren't good at all. Crede, through the years has been a better defender. He has similar power numbers. Doesn't K nearly as much as Beltre. Mind you I never said Crede was good. Just like I don't think Beltre is good. Want to compare Beltre to a stud 3B. Compare his numbers to David Wright's.

As for Figgins a career .290 hitter, career .356 OBP, is an annoyance on the basepath. and is a valuable commodity as a leadoff hitter.

My comparison before was valid. See Figgins helps a team much more being the type of player he is then Beltre. Beltre the typical 25HR 75 RBI .265 avg is a dime a dozen. If you guys didn't have Ichiro maybe you'd appreciate what a good leadoff hitter does for a team a little more.

Beltre plays in a pitchers park, crede in a hitters park. A 25 hr 75 rbi .265 avg with gold glove defense player is not a dime a dozen at 3b, that's what you don't get. Also, don't use RBIs and average to compare hitters, it's pretty much pointless. Beltre has had an average to above average OBP last few years, and was a bit unlucky with his babip last season. A higher wOBA between the two is more valuable than the difference figgins makes up with his so called annoyance on the basepaths. This should really be no argument at all. Oh, and i'm not a mariners fan, ichiro is not my leadoff hitter.

Cheezombie
02-06-2009, 12:37 AM
here's an ops+ comparison.

..........last season(career)
beltre...109(107)
crede...98(93)
figgins..82(96)

plus beltre is the better fielder

wOBA is the better stat, but if this is the way to get it through your thick skull that beltre is a better player, so be it.

YankeeFan89
02-06-2009, 12:45 AM
AL CENTRAL
C. Joe Maurer
1B. Justin Morneau
2B. Alexei Rameriz
SS. Jhonny Perlata
3B. Alex Gordon
LF. Carlos Quinten
CF. David DeJesus
RF. Magglio Ordonez

ROTATION
1. Cliff Lee
2. Mark Buerhle
3. Francisco Liariano
4. Justin Verlander
5. Scott Baker

Reliever
1. Jesse Crain
2. Thorton
3. Matt Gurierre

Closer
Bobby Jenks

Nathan?

brandonwarne52
02-06-2009, 12:52 AM
He picked Matt Guerrier for crying out loud.....

:laugh:

IRUAM #21
02-06-2009, 01:16 AM
He forgot Sizemore :pity:, and Cabrera

brandonwarne52
02-06-2009, 01:18 AM
Sizemore > DeJesus
Granderson > DeJesus

CY24
02-06-2009, 02:44 AM
gomez > dejesus

brandonwarne52
02-06-2009, 04:48 AM
Not at this point, no.

Span > DeJesus, so if Span gets CF all year, sure.

CY24
02-06-2009, 08:18 PM
Not at this point, no.

Span > DeJesus, so if Span gets CF all year, sure.
what, Gomez is a stud. Especially when you factor in defense.

thewupk
02-06-2009, 08:43 PM
NL East

C - McCann
1B - Delgado
2B - Utley
3B - Chipper (Wright if you want a guy there 150 games)
SS - Hanley
LF - Ibanez (nl east has horrible lfers for the most part)
CF - Beltran
RF - Werth

SP - Santana
SP - Hamels
SP - Lowe
SP - Vazquez
SP - Myers

Starters were in no particular order

CL - K-Rod
SU - Lidge

Those 2 really were a tossup. Lidge was better last year but K-Rod better the last 3.

I mainly used win values from the past 2 years to determine this.

tymonic1
02-06-2009, 09:18 PM
markakis is the RF in al east
roberts is 2B

nithanyo
02-06-2009, 11:29 PM
Put together the best team from each division...

**= FA; played in division in 08

AL East
C- Dioner Navarro
1B- Mark Teixeira
2B- Dustin Pedroia
SS- Derek Jeter
3B- Alex Rodriguez
LF- Jason Bay
CF- BJ Upton
RF- Nick Markakis
DH- David Ortiz

Bench- Jorge Posada, Brian Roberts, Evan Longoria, Alex Rios

Rotation- CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, Scott Kazmir, AJ Burnett

Bullpen- Jonathon Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, Dan Wheeler, BJ Ryan, Hideki Okajima, JP Howell, Scott Downs



Im just sayin this, but i dont think AJ would have made the rotation if he was still a blue jay. Probably DiceK or Lester or Joba or summin

FWBrodie
02-06-2009, 11:43 PM
How in the hell is chone figgins starting over adrian beltre?????????

tymonic1
02-07-2009, 12:26 AM
Al east

weiters c
youkillis 1b
roberts 2b
bartlett ss
longoria 3b
markakis rf
bay lf
rios cf
ortiz dh

dice k
lester
halladay
kazmir
shields
beckett
price
litsch
guthrie
papelbon
ryan
balfour
johnson

jim51990
02-07-2009, 02:07 AM
im sorry but aj burnet over lester no way or even sheets and dice k all three are much better

brandonwarne52
02-07-2009, 03:33 AM
what, Gomez is a stud. Especially when you factor in defense.

He's a stud on defense. Let's leave it at that.

matt_the_hulk
02-07-2009, 06:22 AM
Glaus over Aramis, my ***

mdlr52192
02-07-2009, 10:26 AM
Al east

weiters c
youkillis 1b
roberts 2b
bartlett ss
longoria 3b
markakis rf
bay lf
rios cf
ortiz dh

dice k
lester
halladay
kazmir
shields
beckett
price
litsch
guthrie
papelbon
ryan
balfour
johnson

I understand that Matt Weiters is gonna be a franchise catcher in the league, but I don't think he's played in the majors yet, so he can't be put up there. He'll be one of the best catchers in the league, just give him three years.

quade36
02-07-2009, 10:44 AM
Beltre plays in a pitchers park, crede in a hitters park. A 25 hr 75 rbi .265 avg with gold glove defense player is not a dime a dozen at 3b, that's what you don't get. Also, don't use RBIs and average to compare hitters, it's pretty much pointless. Beltre has had an average to above average OBP last few years, and was a bit unlucky with his babip last season. A higher wOBA between the two is more valuable than the difference figgins makes up with his so called annoyance on the basepaths. This should really be no argument at all. Oh, and i'm not a mariners fan, ichiro is not my leadoff hitter.

ok, if you mean .325 is an above average OBP, well. Lets compare that to David Wright. His OBP .395. Hmm I guess they are close....

And again, you cannot compare wOBA as a stats when comparing a guy who does NOT hit extra base hits compared to a guy who does. You might as well say Rob Deer is a better hitter then Figgins (yes I know they didn't play the same position but I am just proving why wOBA is not applicable here) So based on your opinion, because Rob Deer had a higher wOBA then Figgins, he is a better all around hitter.

Rob Deer, career .220 hitter. career .324 OBP, strikeout master.

I can go further with this if you want.

Lets compare people at the same position.

Jack Cust Vs. Carl Crawford. Based on your argument Jack Cust is a better hitter than Carl Crawford. Jack Cust has a career .373 wOBA, Crawford has a career .339. Name any team or fan of a team (Besides Oakland) who would rather have Jack Cust on their team than Carl Crawford.

Look when you compare Beltre vs. Figgins. You can compare defense, sure Beltre has a one up on that. You can compare AVG and OBP where Figgins has a one up. But you can't compare power numbers between the two just like you can't make that silly comparison on speed like you did saying Beltre has a higher base stealing percentage even though he only has stolen 22 bases the last two years as opposed to over 70 by figgins. Therefore, you cannot compare wOBA.... This is an opinion thing. You feel Beltre is a better hitter and helps a team more. I feel Figgins. Plus, Figgins being more versatle and able to play other positions makes him even more valuable.

But hey, lets just stop this and agree to disagree. I guess I am somewhat biased in this situation because I feel Beltre is highly overrated. I think he is an average hitter at best and a slightly above average fielder. His stats just don't impress for they type A player he is supposed to be.

SidTheKid
02-07-2009, 10:49 AM
Al east

weiters c
youkillis 1b
roberts 2b
bartlett ss
longoria 3b
markakis rf
bay lf
rios cf
ortiz dh

dice k
lester
halladay
kazmir
shields
beckett
price
litsch
guthrie
papelbon
ryan
balfour
johnson

No Yankees at all in your list? Little biased aren't ya?

bones
02-07-2009, 12:35 PM
Why does Wieters keep getting mentioned. To be on a all division team you should have probably played a MLB inning first.