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hoog
01-27-2009, 04:03 PM
This probably won't look the same at the end of the year but I think we'll start out with the following staff starting the season:

Sarters:
Verlander- he'll be our ace until he shows otherwise.
Bonderman- if healthy he's a great #2 pitcher
Galaraga- let's hope last year was no fluke
Jackson- he'll win more than someone in front of him, great #4 pitcher
Robertson/Willis- one will win a spot and the other will go to the pen or the minors on some reported injury to rehab

Bullpen:
Lyon- will be the closer unless Zumaya or Perry takes over
Zumaya- will be the 8th inning guy again
Rodney- not a fan but as a 7th or set up guy then fine for now
Dolsi- swing guy out of the pen
Miner- should be fifth starter but politics will put him in the pen for now
Seay- lefty specialist
Rapada- second lefty out of the pen unless Nate or Dontrell come down

Actually, if everyone plays up to their ability and stays healthy this is a very good looking staff. Casey Fien will be the first guy from the minors to make an impact and another veteran lefty may be brought in at some point but this is the staff I see going out of spring ball.

Lionsforlife
01-27-2009, 06:07 PM
Don't be surprised if Kyle Bloom is our other lefty. If not, we send him back. But I agree, I'm okay with our bullpen and our rotation. It all depends on health. You have all of the above healthy and its a whole new ballgame.

Bondomania
01-27-2009, 06:13 PM
Bloom will probably find himself in the pen as a lefty specialist. Rapada will most likely find himself back at AAA. I really think that if Nate and Willis both come out this spring and are throwing strikes effectively, i think one gets dealt. We can't afford to have both guys on our payroll. I think we will eat some salary or whatever it takes to get rid of one of the guys. But both will have to come in and show that they have the ability to throw strikes.

mark1125
01-27-2009, 09:48 PM
Bloom will probably find himself in the pen as a lefty specialist. Rapada will most likely find himself back at AAA. I really think that if Nate and Willis both come out this spring and are throwing strikes effectively, i think one gets dealt. We can't afford to have both guys on our payroll. I think we will eat some salary or whatever it takes to get rid of one of the guys. But both will have to come in and show that they have the ability to throw strikes.

If neither Nate or Willis are looking good, I am not against going with 5 righties and put Miner in (provided he has a good spring).

Ina a perfect world, all 3 would do well and we could unload Nate or Willis ( I would prefer Nate go).

JMDTM
01-27-2009, 10:16 PM
i really hope Willis gets his control back this season. the guy use to be a stud. if he was our 5 guy, i would be very happy(if he comes back from last year)

Sam_Quentin
01-27-2009, 10:52 PM
This probably won't look the same at the end of the year but I think we'll start out with the following staff starting the season:

Sarters:
Verlander- he'll be our ace until he shows otherwise.
Bonderman- if healthy he's a great #2 pitcher
Galaraga- let's hope last year was no fluke
Jackson- he'll win more than someone in front of him, great #4 pitcher
Robertson/Willis- one will win a spot and the other will go to the pen or the minors on some reported injury to rehab

Bullpen:
Lyon- will be the closer unless Zumaya or Perry takes over
Zumaya- will be the 8th inning guy again
Rodney- not a fan but as a 7th or set up guy then fine for now
Dolsi- swing guy out of the pen
Miner- should be fifth starter but politics will put him in the pen for now
Seay- lefty specialist
Rapada- second lefty out of the pen unless Nate or Dontrell come down

Actually, if everyone plays up to their ability and stays healthy this is a very good looking staff. Casey Fien will be the first guy from the minors to make an impact and another veteran lefty may be brought in at some point but this is the staff I see going out of spring ball.

I think the 5th will go to Robertson. Unfortunately i think at some point Willis' best bet will be picking up a bat and trying to go Rick Ankiel style! Im not kidding. He's been a good hitter and im very much believing that his major league days as a pitcher will be done after this spring. Hope im wrong but thats how i feel. I'd go ahead and scratch Zumaya out, you cant ever pencil him in for anything. I think come spring they'll be looking for every reason for Ryan Perry to make the team (or another of the hard throwing young guys)

JackB
01-28-2009, 09:43 AM
Oh Great. We have Rodney and Zumaya as our 7th and 8th innings. I guess that means Lyon will have his work cut out for him. Chances are very good to excellent he will ALWAYS come in in the 8th inning with men on base. He'll most likely have to pitch and inning and a third or an inning an two thirds.Just the thought of Rodney touching the ball in a close game scares me.

hoog
01-28-2009, 09:58 AM
Oh Great. We have Rodney and Zumaya as our 7th and 8th innings. I guess that means Lyon will have his work cut out for him. Chances are very good to excellent he will ALWAYS come in in the 8th inning with men on base. He'll most likely have to pitch and inning and a third or an inning an two thirds.Just the thought of Rodney touching the ball in a close game scares me.

Jack, I agree with you Rodney sentiment. I can not stand the thought but for some reason the Tigers brass loves the guy. I can easily see by the end of the year the 7th and 8th inning guys being Fien and Perry or some other young arm combo. I really think the Zumaya will come around at some point this year though. Especially, not being hounded to be a closer.

mark1125
01-28-2009, 11:39 AM
Either Rodney, Zumaya or both will be hurt at some point. One of the kids will get a shot if doing well in the minors.

Rodney has snowed the brass into thinking he is something. He throws hard. That is it.

Bondomania
01-28-2009, 01:32 PM
thats not all he brings to the table. He has a devastating changeup that when on it can challenge Santana's for best in the league. The problem with Rodney is that he is fragile and a headcase on the mound. Maybe a move back to 7th inning will help him out.

JackB
01-28-2009, 02:58 PM
I agree he does have great change up. BUT he can't control it and when his fastball isn't getting across hitters are sitting on the changeup.Power means nothing if it isn't located . I hope Zumaya can get it together. I trust him more then Rodney. At least for now.

mattd24
01-29-2009, 11:30 AM
How many question marks are in this rotation - seriously!

Sarters:
Verlander- needs to prove himself all over again
Bonderman- will he return to rookie form
Galarraga- may be a flash in the pan
Jackson- horrible two years ago, great last year - but everyone in TB had a plus year
Robertson/Willis- be lucky to get 8 wins from either of those guys

Bullpen:
Lyon- lost his job as a closer already
Zumaya- injury prone
Rodney- injury prone, definition of unreliable
Dolsi- second year - same as Galarraga
Miner- been a fan of Miner for a long time - maybe the guy in the bullpen i have the MOST confidence in
Seay- decent enough
Rapada- hasnt proven anything

Sounds like a LOT of ??????

Lionsforlife
01-29-2009, 12:25 PM
How many question marks are in this rotation - seriously!

Sarters:
Verlander- needs to prove himself all over again
Bonderman- will he return to rookie form
Galarraga- may be a flash in the pan
Jackson- horrible two years ago, great last year - but everyone in TB had a plus year
Robertson/Willis- be lucky to get 8 wins from either of those guys

Bullpen:
Lyon- lost his job as a closer already
Zumaya- injury prone
Rodney- injury prone, definition of unreliable
Dolsi- second year - same as Galarraga
Miner- been a fan of Miner for a long time - maybe the guy in the bullpen i have the MOST confidence in
Seay- decent enough
Rapada- hasnt proven anything

Sounds like a LOT of ??????

In all honesty, you are right. There are alot of question marks. But let's be real, every bad team will have question marks the next year. Even if we went out and grabbed every high priced free agent available, we would have question marks.

We are depending on some bouncebacks and health, much like most teams that struggled. But we added a starter, who as a number 4 starter doesn't have to be phenomal, just above average. We have a guy to close that doesn't walk people and is a ground ball pitcher. Did he lose his job last year as closer? Yes. Is he an upgrade over Rodney or whatever else, yes.

It's all about faith. Verlander should return to form. Last year, in the first half of the year he had the least amount of run support of any normal starter. Plus, our improved defense will help pitching as well. Fewer errors mean fewer people on base.

Galaragga will probably hang out at about .500 as far as record goes. I don't think he will drastically drop, but I don't think he will have quite the season as last year.

I don't know, I am optimistic. We have seen the big offseason splashes and how they have turned out for us (last year). Our most recent successful season, 2006, was a surprise to many. No one looked at our rotation or bullpen and said "There going to the World Series." In fact, everyone's expectations were fairly low.

That's why I like this offseason so much. I feel we addressed every need (even pitching) without over paying.

Does our staff have alot of ?marks. Absolutely. But everyone's does. We can only hope for the best.

Flamarlins21
02-02-2009, 03:43 PM
I think guys are giving up on Willis to quickly. Yes his season was horrendious, yes he struggled some in his last year in Florida. I'll give you that but I just think someone saying go Rick Ankiel is a bit premature. Don't get me wrong, I think he'd be a great first baseman/outfielder but I think he'll come back and be a number 3 starter at worse. Look at guys who have struggled one year big time yet didn't get let go or transition into a position player (Cliff Lee, not saying he'll be the Cy Young and have the same success) but guys have bad seasons, it's just a fact. I think people's opinion on Dontrelle will change come the season.

Bondomania
02-02-2009, 04:22 PM
i agree. He is on a rigorous offseason program and reports have him already down 10-20 pounds, which is good. He started gaining weight and lost flexibility which hurt his delivery. Dontrelle has the higher ceiling than Nate and i think Nate will be dealt prior to the start of the season. Or at least I am hoping he is. I swear to go if I have to see Nate for another full season and his forever changing facial hair.. i am going to be sick

vinnybobhockeyt
02-02-2009, 05:39 PM
starters-verlander,bonderman,jackson,galaraga and willis relivers-lyon,zumaya,williamson,rincon and minor w/lefties-seay and bloom...the tigers will deal robertson,rodney,dolsi and thames to the texas rangers for ss-m.young and possible left hand reliever

vinnybobhockeyt
02-02-2009, 05:41 PM
c.iorg will switch to second base in the minors in 09 and replace polanco in 2010

Epic89
02-02-2009, 06:28 PM
starters-verlander,bonderman,jackson,galaraga and willis relivers-lyon,zumaya,williamson,rincon and minor w/lefties-seay and bloom...the tigers will deal robertson,rodney,dolsi and thames to the texas rangers for ss-m.young and possible left hand reliever

:down::down::down:

Come on; get real.

mark1125
02-02-2009, 06:48 PM
starters-verlander,bonderman,jackson,galaraga and willis relivers-lyon,zumaya,williamson,rincon and minor w/lefties-seay and bloom...the tigers will deal robertson,rodney,dolsi and thames to the texas rangers for ss-m.young and possible left hand reliever

I'll have whatever your are drinking. :rolleyes:

Bondomania
02-02-2009, 08:14 PM
come on! what the hell has been with the posts lately.. people need to do their research. Iorg is the best SS prospect we have and if anything he will convert to 3B and replace Inge. We have way to many guys that can take the place of Polanco after he isn't resigned. Rhymes, Hollimon, Douglas and Sizemore are all legit 2B prospects that will be a better solution than Iorg moving to 2b where his above average defense will not be as effective as it would if he was playing SS

Da Jam Hammer
02-02-2009, 08:41 PM
Willis is one of the sadder stories in professional sports. We need Verlander and Bonderman to get on track, if they dont... could be a long season.

Bondomania
02-03-2009, 12:37 AM
i think that's one of the biggest part to whether the Tigers succeed or not. If Verlander gets back on track and Bonderman comes back pitching like he did in the first half of 2006 when he was robbed of an all-star spot, then this team could be very dangerous. Galarraga i think will settle in more as a number 4 or number 5 starter just because he lacks the arsenal to be a high-end pitches to really dominate a game. I think his stuff is good, and he gets tons of groundballs. I never think he will be a high strikeout guy. Jackson is also another guy that has the potential of a #1 or #2 and if he can somehow put it together, then this could be one of the best 1-4 rotations in the AL central for sure, if not the league. I think everyone focuses on the negatives and everyone looks at past performances. When in fact, Jackson took another step forward last year, Bonderman should return fresh and injury free since the first time since really 2006. Our new pitching coach has already identified the problem with Verlander and in Verlanders BP sessions in the offseason he has already noticed a difference... i dunno, maybe i am just trying to remain optimistic.. but i really think this staff has the potential to be dominant.. the question will be the BP.. we have in house solutions that probably won't start with the Tigers.. Perry, Fien, Sborz, Darrow, Dolsi, and Simons should be able to step up this year if the BP falters early and we could see some guys shipped out early if they don't perform.

Rodney Stuckey
02-03-2009, 12:59 AM
Yeah idk how or why we signed him for like 3 years 22 mill hes worth like 4 a year