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JordansBulls
01-07-2009, 08:53 PM
How good do you think he will become?

In 2006-2007 he averaged

20.2 ppg / 4.3 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.2 spg / 47% fg


In 2007-2008 he averaged

23.7 ppg / 4.5 rpg / 2.1 apg / 1.0 spg / 46% FG


This year thus far

24.1 ppg / 2.9 rpg / 2.6 apg / 1.1 spg / 44% FG


Is he a good enough 2nd option player on a title contender?
Like if he were the 2nd option to Bosh would they be contenders?

sacgiants1213
01-07-2009, 08:57 PM
kevin martin is ****ing amazing. Too bad no one really cares about him since he plays for an 8-28 team.

He just needs help. He can't be the #1 on a contending team.

DerekRE_3
01-07-2009, 08:59 PM
He'd be a great second option. He can drive the lane, move without the ball, and get to the free throw line. Not only that, but he can get you 20 points a game while shooting about 12-13 shots a game. He's also not a selfish player, despite what it may look like. He will not hesitate to pass the ball if there is someone else with a better shot. In the past, I have actually wanted Kevin to shoot more if anything.

superkegger
01-07-2009, 09:03 PM
I'm not a fan of him. He can fill it up, no doubt, but I don't like him. Of course I pretty much despise the Kings in their entirety, so :shrug:. Kids got skill though, and would be a great complimentary piece to any team in contention.

GspLAL
01-07-2009, 09:08 PM
Can become a consistent all star caliber player, dont think he'll be MVP material though.

Sixerlover
01-07-2009, 09:12 PM
Electric scorer. He'd be the first option on almost any team in the league IMO. Can shoot, drive and hit 3's. Not much of a defender, but that can be overcome.

JermanJaysFan
01-07-2009, 09:50 PM
Electric scorer. He'd be the first option on almost any team in the league IMO. Can shoot, drive and hit 3's. Not much of a defender, but that can be overcome.

Exactly. He needs to put his length to use and defend! But offensively, they don't come too much better. Since JB mentioned Bosh- if he was on the Raptors, he'd have the ball in his hands more than CB4 if I had anything to say about it.

IndyRealist
01-07-2009, 09:52 PM
The team needs to be structured around him in order for him to be a 1st option like, say, Reggie Miller. He's ridiculously efficient and fairly unguardable.

As long as his team is under .500 however, he's always going to take a back seat to the likes of Kobe, Roy, Williams, and Paul.

DerekRE_3
01-07-2009, 09:55 PM
Exactly. He needs to put his length to use and defend! But offensively, they don't come too much better. Since JB mentioned Bosh- if he was on the Raptors, he'd have the ball in his hands more than CB4 if I had anything to say about it.

Actually, Martin's weakness is his lack of length. He has short arms for his height. But he has very quick feet and is known to take a charge or two. He's not a bad defender, and he has shown more of a commitment on the defensive end lately. You have to remember though, that the Kings need him to score, so a lot of his energy is spent on the offensive end. He's only 5 games into coming back from injury, and isn't 100% yet.

Sixerlover
01-07-2009, 09:58 PM
Actually, Martin's weakness is his lack of length. He has short arms for his height. But he has very quick feet and is known to take a charge or two. He's not a bad defender, and he has shown more of a commitment on the defensive end lately. You have to remember though, that the Kings need him to score, so a lot of his energy is spent on the offensive end. He's only 5 games into coming back from injury, and isn't 100% yet.

I was talking about him before this year. I haven't seen him this year at all because of injury

DerekRE_3
01-07-2009, 10:12 PM
I was talking about him before this year. I haven't seen him this year at all because of injury

Yeah, people have started to doubt him, even Kings fans, because of his injury. He really has had just bad luck this year. He started off slow, picked up his game so he was almost the Martin of old then got hurt. But he is averaging 30 PPG in his first 5 games back, and he has only started 1 of those games.

oldenpolynice
01-07-2009, 10:19 PM
Add more bulk and strength to Kevin Martin and he'd be the prototypical young 2 guard in the league. He's just so efficient and I love the way he attacks the basket.

As it is, he'd be a terrific #2 on any championship contender.

Kyle916
01-07-2009, 10:20 PM
Give him Bosh, and a decent starting PG (possibly addressed this draft), and in 2010 you have a very scary team.

Sixerlover
01-07-2009, 10:20 PM
Yeah, people have started to doubt him, even Kings fans, because of his injury. He really has had just bad luck this year. He started off slow, picked up his game so he was almost the Martin of old then got hurt. But he is averaging 30 PPG in his first 5 games back, and he has only started 1 of those games.

Such an electric scorer.

lakers4sho
01-07-2009, 10:22 PM
He's a terrific player, but he'll always stay under appreciated until he plays in a better team and reaches the playoffs where he can do a lot of damage.

Catfish1314
01-07-2009, 10:23 PM
Add more bulk and strength to Kevin Martin and he'd be the prototypical young 2 guard in the league. He's just so efficient and I love the way he attacks the basket.

As it is, he'd be a terrific #2 on any championship contender.

Well he seems to get thicker every year. His ankle has just really held him back this season. He'd probably be close to leading the league in scoring had it not been for that ankle. The Kings have very little outside of him scoring wise (Salmons is the only real consistent offensive producer besides him).

Electric scorer and very aggressive for such a skinny looking guy. He's got ridiculous quickness and just about everyone who guards him is forced to foul him if he gets by so he gets to the line basically at will. I think he could be a No. 1 option, but if he's the 2nd option, you've probably got a better team.

Chronz
01-08-2009, 12:29 AM
Hes better than Reggie Miller, seriously though I was wondering what was up with him this year, his production has really tailed off in what was suppose to be a major breakout year for him. Looks like he's getting his legs under him though, hopefully that continues but he needs some help bad.

x_notorious
01-08-2009, 12:42 AM
One of the more underrated players in the NBA. Terrific scorer.

sacgiants1213
01-08-2009, 12:46 AM
another good thing about him is his attitude. Now i don't know what happens behind closed doors but he's one of the most laid back guys. He never says anything he shouldn't say, and he just goes out and plays.

Lakersfan2483
01-08-2009, 12:50 AM
How good do you think he will become?

In 2006-2007 he averaged

20.2 ppg / 4.3 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.2 spg / 47% fg


In 2007-2008 he averaged

23.7 ppg / 4.5 rpg / 2.1 apg / 1.0 spg / 46% FG


This year thus far

24.1 ppg / 2.9 rpg / 2.6 apg / 1.1 spg / 44% FG


Is he a good enough 2nd option player on a title contender?
Like if he were the 2nd option to Bosh would they be contenders?



It's funny you made a thread about him, I was just thinking that he is one of the more underrated players in the league. He would definitely be a good complimentary player on a championship team. He's one of the better scorers in the league.

face_valid
01-08-2009, 12:50 AM
he'll be a great addition to any title contenders.

DerekRE_3
01-08-2009, 12:58 AM
Kevin Martin hasn't been the leader of a good team yet, so we'll see what he can do if he ever gets some help in Sacramento.

dre1990
01-08-2009, 01:00 AM
kevin martin is a very good player..........but he doesnt play a lick of defense. i think hes OVERRATED the way people talk bout him

ee
01-08-2009, 01:01 AM
How good do you think he will become?

In 2006-2007 he averaged

20.2 ppg / 4.3 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.2 spg / 47% fg


In 2007-2008 he averaged

23.7 ppg / 4.5 rpg / 2.1 apg / 1.0 spg / 46% FG


This year thus far

24.1 ppg / 2.9 rpg / 2.6 apg / 1.1 spg / 44% FG


Is he a good enough 2nd option player on a title contender?
Like if he were the 2nd option to Bosh would they be contenders?I watched him last night, he's an impressive shooter.....can knock down highly contested shots.....needs to learn to attack the rim to take it to the next level.....Otherwise, as is, like most shooters, needs a top big man to compliment his game.....

stevefrancis
01-08-2009, 01:14 AM
him and danny granger are freakin awesome. shout outs to granger for hitting that game winner in phoenix tonight he should be starting in the all-star game. if kevin martin wasn't hurt too much he should be in it 100 percent. take out tmac and put kmart in

DerekRE_3
01-08-2009, 01:19 AM
kevin martin is a very good player..........but he doesnt play a lick of defense. i think hes OVERRATED the way people talk bout him

He's an average defender, and I have seen a better effort from him defensively this season.

KB24PG16
01-08-2009, 02:39 AM
solid side kick good shooter

Kyle N.
01-08-2009, 03:56 AM
All I know is he scored 45 off the bench his third game back from his ankle injury. That's all I've heard about him.

Vinny642
01-08-2009, 01:50 PM
He is a great scorer, I'd want to have him over Butler and Peterson anyday.

JermanJaysFan
01-08-2009, 01:57 PM
He is a great scorer, I'd want to have him over Butler and Peterson anyday.

Of course.

DerekRE_3
01-08-2009, 04:32 PM
He is a great scorer, I'd want to have him over Butler and Peterson anyday.

That's a bold statement right there.

Kyle916
01-08-2009, 11:55 PM
That's a bold statement right there.

I'm hoping sarcasm?

Vinny642
01-09-2009, 12:06 AM
That's a bold statement right there.

It is, especially when Butler scores 40 a game on great teams like the Cavs Lakers and Celtics... lol. I feel sorry for Martin to be on a bad team.

Kings Faithful
01-09-2009, 12:10 AM
I love him.

Kings Faithful
01-09-2009, 12:17 AM
. I feel sorry for Martin to be on a bad team.

Yeah, give us a few years thoe. We'll be a bangin team after 2010 for sure....

Testaverde16
01-09-2009, 12:17 AM
I think he's overrated. One of those guys who is talked about so much as being underrated that he is overrated. All he can do is score on a team that doesn't win, how is that impressive? He is a good player, but it bothers me when he is mentioned as a really good or even great player. He is good, but come on.

Vinny642
01-09-2009, 12:23 AM
I think he's overrated. One of those guys who is talked about so much as being underrated that he is overrated. All he can do is score on a team that doesn't win, how is that impressive? He is a good player, but it bothers me when he is mentioned as a really good or even great player. He is good, but come on.

I said I'd take him on the hornets, he'd fit perfect with Paul. But his ability of drawing fouls and his three point shooting is great also.

DerekRE_3
01-09-2009, 12:40 AM
I think he's overrated. One of those guys who is talked about so much as being underrated that he is overrated. All he can do is score on a team that doesn't win, how is that impressive? He is a good player, but it bothers me when he is mentioned as a really good or even great player. He is good, but come on.

Put any player in the NBA on the Kings, and we would still be terrible.

Vinny642
01-09-2009, 12:48 AM
Put any player in the NBA on the Kings, and we would still be terrible.

Get rid of Brad Miller, Mikki Moore and Kenny Thomas and pick up people in the Free Agency of 2010 because Martin Garcia Salmons Thompson and Hawes can do it all.

Kyle916
01-09-2009, 05:18 AM
I think he's overrated. One of those guys who is talked about so much as being underrated that he is overrated. All he can do is score on a team that doesn't win, how is that impressive? He is a good player, but it bothers me when he is mentioned as a really good or even great player. He is good, but come on.

Rediculous efficiency?

JordansBulls
01-09-2009, 11:46 AM
Put any player in the NBA on the Kings, and we would still be terrible.

With Martin or in place of him?

oldenpolynice
01-09-2009, 01:47 PM
I think he's overrated. One of those guys who is talked about so much as being underrated that he is overrated. All he can do is score on a team that doesn't win, how is that impressive? He is a good player, but it bothers me when he is mentioned as a really good or even great player. He is good, but come on.

It's impressive because he's so damn efficient. Takes good shots, makes them and gets a lot of opp. at the FT line.

Kyle N.
01-09-2009, 01:50 PM
With Martin or in place of him?

As of right now, either.

DerekRE_3
01-09-2009, 02:29 PM
With Martin or in place of him?

In place of him. My point was that it doesn't matter how good Martin plays, he just doesn't have enough talent around him for the Kings to win. He dropped 45 points and we still lost. He isn't the reason why we are losing.

Now if you pair a Chris Bosh with Kevin Martin, then we win some games.

jimbobjarree
01-09-2009, 02:53 PM
^or Koufos

DerekRE_3
01-09-2009, 03:01 PM
^or Koufos

My apologies, I forgot Kostaaaaa.

PutMeInCoach
01-09-2009, 03:33 PM
put a PG on the Kings and watch Martin destroy people (more so than he is now). He has Beno who is a backup pg AT BEST and B Jax who has never been a pass first pg, and his skills are declining as hes getting older (and also not in great shape)

Paul or Nash on the Kings and Martin leads the league in scoring. Unfortunatly.. Beno is there and honestly, I would rather the kings play 4 on 5 (then again, if mikki and beno are on the court at the same time, its kinda like playing 3.5 on 5)

DerekRE_3
01-09-2009, 03:37 PM
put a PG on the Kings and watch Martin destroy people (more so than he is now). He has Beno who is a backup pg AT BEST and B Jax who has never been a pass first pg, and his skills are declining as hes getting older (and also not in great shape)

Paul or Nash on the Kings and Martin leads the league in scoring. Unfortunatly.. Beno is there and honestly, I would rather the kings play 4 on 5 (then again, if mikki and beno are on the court at the same time, its kinda like playing 3.5 on 5)

Beno may start, but he's not playing much lately, especially in the 4th quarter. Natt has gone with Garcia at PG in the clutch. And Jason Thompson just took over Mikki's spot...thank god.

PutMeInCoach
01-09-2009, 07:17 PM
even garcia as a pg is bad.. the kings simply have no point guard. the best option they have is bobby brown.. but he is very streaky... i would probably start and give brown the majority of minutes because he is the only one with upside at the position.

MiamiHeat
01-09-2009, 07:19 PM
I haven't seen him play but I heard about his big games
I'll see him play tonight against the Heat

sacgiants1213
01-09-2009, 07:21 PM
I haven't seen him play but I heard about his big games
I'll see him play tonight against the Heat

don't be shocked when he gets 30+ tonight.

oldenpolynice
01-09-2009, 07:27 PM
don't be shocked when he gets 30+ tonight.

That's what I'm hoping for. I'll be at the game. I'm also hoping D-Wade goes for 50...and the Kings win anyway. :D

DerekRE_3
01-09-2009, 09:52 PM
Dwayne Wade is going to absolutely destroy the Kings defense tonight.

chicagowhitesox
01-09-2009, 10:07 PM
of course he's a good enough second option what kind of question is that