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Hellcrooner
01-05-2009, 03:41 AM
The Day Mj met Pj the sign of the league changed forver.

There they were.

Mj was a High Profile scorer that many accused of being a ballhog and that many more acused of being unable to carry his teams past the first rounds of th eplayoffs, plus he had a gfame of being uncoacahble and an egomanica, its widely known he ran Coach Collins out of town and Star Orlando wooldrige too.

Pj was an unknown coach who had a mediocre playing career in a good team, wich had proveded him 2 rings his highest ecords as a coach were a Cba championship with the Albany patroons who were so dominative of the cba that even George Karl could make them champions, no one know anything about zen ir midn games back then.




20 years later

MJ is considered by 99% of people ( im proud to be on the 1% that digress just for the sanity of it all) the GOAT, he won 7 rings and gained a fame of being unbeatably clutch , a great leader and very good in encouragin his teamamtes trough the hard grape but helping them to becoem better, and so increasing the level of his team he is also considere the greatest wining will in the league ever etc etc.


Pj is considered by many the greatest coach ever and his zen diatirbes and master mind games are well known around the league haveing won a reputation of being able to deal even with the most mentally unbalanced players like rodman and taking the best out from them, also is considered the midas of coacheing that almost guratntees rings wherever he wants to go.



So, was it the Great Phil wich with his mind games turned Mj from ball hog to leader? or was the Great Jordan who earned Phil his fame sjust by winning rings?

superkegger
01-05-2009, 03:47 AM
its a two way street, neither would be the legend they are without the other.

Hellcrooner
01-05-2009, 05:34 PM
^mmm im not so sure...

Missing56&33
01-05-2009, 06:37 PM
The Day Mj met Pj the sign of the league changed forver.

There they were.

Mj was a High Profile scorer that many accused of being a ballhog and that many more acused of being unable to carry his teams past the first rounds of th eplayoffs, plus he had a gfame of being uncoacahble and an egomanica, its widely known he ran Coach Collins out of town and Star Orlando wooldrige too.
Pj was an unknown coach who had a mediocre playing career in a good team, wich had proveded him 2 rings his highest ecords as a coach were a Cba championship with the Albany patroons who were so dominative of the cba that even George Karl could make them champions, no one know anything about zen ir midn games back then.




20 years later

MJ is considered by 99% of people ( im proud to be on the 1% that digress just for the sanity of it all) the GOAT, he won 7 rings and gained a fame of being unbeatably clutch , a great leader and very good in encouragin his teamamtes trough the hard grape but helping them to becoem better, and so increasing the level of his team he is also considere the greatest wining will in the league ever etc etc.


Pj is considered by many the greatest coach ever and his zen diatirbes and master mind games are well known around the league haveing won a reputation of being able to deal even with the most mentally unbalanced players like rodman and taking the best out from them, also is considered the midas of coacheing that almost guratntees rings wherever he wants to go.



So, was it the Great Phil wich with his mind games turned Mj from ball hog to leader? or was the Great Jordan who earned Phil his fame sjust by winning rings?

MJ did not run Collins out of town Jerry Krouse did. Just like he ran PJ, MJ, SP, and DR out of town at the top of their games. They could have easily won three more rings with that team. MJ wanted Collins to stay and threaten to leave, those championships should have been Collins not Jacksons but later MJ hooked up with Collins in Washington so running him out of town has no merit

MJ would have won if Frank Layden was coaching him it was going to happen regardless if PJ came to coach or not. PJ had to win MJ over he didn't want PJ there

ttam68
01-05-2009, 07:09 PM
You need to take a 5th grade level english class, or proofread.

I think MJ owes PJ more. Pj would still have 3 championships and a good resume without mj. Before (and after) pj, mj was just another high profile scorer.

lakers4sho
01-05-2009, 08:31 PM
^^for someone who's natural language isn't English he actually does a pretty good job

KeithLBC
01-05-2009, 09:26 PM
When did MJ get his 7th ring :confused:

I think MJ owes PJ more. Without PJ, MJ couldn't win the big game.

ARMIN12NBA
01-05-2009, 09:51 PM
MJ did not run Collins out of town Jerry Krouse did. Just like he ran PJ, MJ, SP, and DR out of town at the top of their games. They could have easily won three more rings with that team. MJ wanted Collins to stay and threaten to leave, those championships should have been Collins not Jacksons but later MJ hooked up with Collins in Washington so running him out of town has no merit

MJ would have won if Frank Layden was coaching him it was going to happen regardless if PJ came to coach or not. PJ had to win MJ over he didn't want PJ there

Yes he did.

SteveNash
01-05-2009, 09:59 PM
Jordan and Krause both contributed to Collins being fired. But it seems like Jordan at least respected him or patched things up with him or else Jordan wouldn't have wanted to bring Collins in as the Wizards coach. Krause probably still hates Collins.

Anyway PJ clearly made MJ who he was. MJ still wanted to fight PJ, Winter and the Triangle because he cared too much about his stats. PJ made Jordan look like a winner.

kingjanjic
01-05-2009, 10:08 PM
jordan only has 6 rings not 7, but anyways phil is a good coach, he knows how to deal with hogs, he dealt with kobe n shaq and now kobe,

nguyenay
01-05-2009, 10:13 PM
i definately think its a two way street. its one of those things where mj helped pj and pj helped mj. i dont think another coach could have controlled the team the way phil did though but having jordan on the team gave him a lot of recognition.

JMKnick33
01-05-2009, 10:43 PM
i agree its a two way street. they definitely helped each other out. BUT, PJ owes MJ more.

basketball is a players game. you can have a great coach, but without the players, the coach is nothing. put PJ on the Thunder, you think they'll suddenly become a playoff team? put MJ on the Thunder (at his prime), you think they'll suddenly become a playoff team?? YES!

case closed.

LAKERS 24/7
01-05-2009, 10:50 PM
i agree its a two way street. they definitely helped each other out. BUT, PJ owes MJ more.

basketball is a players game. you can have a great coach, but without the players, the coach is nothing. put PJ on the Thunder, you think they'll suddenly become a playoff team? put MJ on the Thunder (at his prime), you think they'll suddenly become a playoff team?? YES!

case closed.

not necessarily

JMKnick33
01-05-2009, 10:59 PM
not necessarily

i think westbrook, jordan, durant, green, and krstic/wilcox/collison can make the playoffs. actually, im pretty sure they would.

superkegger
01-05-2009, 11:49 PM
i think westbrook, jordan, durant, green, and krstic/wilcox/collison can make the playoffs. actually, im pretty sure they would.

Maybe, but so what? MJ went to the playoffs several times before PJ came to town. But before Phil, they never won a championship. Nor did shaq or Kobe ever win a ring before Phil came to town. Call it phil being the right place at the right time, but either way, you don't coach teams (especially with some of the dysfunctional players Phil's team's did) to 9 NBA championships on pure luck.