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JordansBulls
01-02-2009, 04:23 PM
PSD - Rookie of the Year Thread Part I (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294510)


Source: NBA.com (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/rose_rom_090102.html)

For December - Eastern Rookie of the Month = Derrick Rose
For December - Western Rookie of the Month = Russell Westbrook



NEW YORK, Jan. 2, 2009 – The Chicago Bulls’ Derrick Rose and the Oklahoma City Thunder’s Russell Westbrook today were named the Eastern and Western Conference T-Mobile Rookies of the Month, respectively, for games played in December.





Rookie of the Month - November (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/rose_rom_081201.html)

For November - Eastern Rookie of the Month = Derrick Rose
For November - Western Rookie of the Month = OJ Mayo



NEW YORK, December 1, 2008 The Chicago Bulls’ Derrick Rose and the Memphis Grizzlies’ O.J. Mayo today were named the Eastern and Western Conference T-Mobile Rookies of the Month, respectively, for games played from the start of the season (Oct. 28) through November.



Here are the candidates

Seeing how guys are playing after the 1st 2 months how do you think the Race will finish for ROY. What would be the top 5?


Derrick Rose
O.J. Mayo
Michael Beasley
Rudy Fernandez
Marc Gasol
Greg Oden
Luc Mbah a Moute
Kevin Love
Jason Thompson
Mario Chalmers
JaVale McGee
Ryan Anderson
Anthony Morrow
Brook Lopez
Darrell Arthur
D.J. Augustin
Russell Westbrook
Bobby Brown
George Hill
Marreese Speights
Nicolas Batum
Brandon Rush
Robin Lopez
Eric Gordon
Other (explain)



NOTE: Any Rookie Subject can be placed in this thread as this will be an ongoing debate over the year.

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-02-2009, 04:30 PM
I cant see anyone other than Rose winning it

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-02-2009, 04:32 PM
PSD - Rookie of the Year Thread Part I (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294510)


Source: NBA.com (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/rose_rom_090102.html)

For December - Eastern Rookie of the Month = Derrick Rose
For December - Western Rookie of the Month = Russell Westbrook




Rookie of the Month - November (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/rose_rom_081201.html)

For November - Eastern Rookie of the Month = Derrick Rose
For November - Western Rookie of the Month = OJ Mayo




Here are the candidates

Seeing how guys are playing after the 1st 2 months how do you think the Race will finish for ROY. What would be the top 5?


Derrick Rose
O.J. Mayo
Michael Beasley
Rudy Fernandez
Marc Gasol
Greg Oden
Luc Mbah a Moute
Kevin Love
Jason Thompson
Mario Chalmers
JaVale McGee
Ryan Anderson
Anthony Morrow
Brook Lopez
Darrell Arthur
D.J. Augustin
Russell Westbrook
Bobby Brown
George Hill
Marreese Speights
Nicolas Batum
Brandon Rush
Robin Lopez
Eric Gordon
Other (explain)



NOTE: Any Rookie Subject can be placed in this thread as this will be an ongoing debate over the year.

Why is Derrick Rose in a different font in the poll from everyone elses? Are you trying mind tricks to get us to vote for him:)

Lakersfan2483
01-02-2009, 04:46 PM
Derrick Rose is by far the most impressive rookie this year, he's my favorite for the award. He will be a superstar guard in about 2 yrs. or so...

still1ballin
01-02-2009, 04:53 PM
Rose will win it, but Mayo may steal it.

SFloridaSports
01-02-2009, 04:58 PM
Beasley should win if he was getting consistent playing time but i would rather have a better all around player in the future than have him running around doing what ever he wants now.

_Sn1P3r_
01-02-2009, 05:18 PM
I see Rose winning it and Mayo + Westbrook close behind. Beasley will make a run at it if he plays consistent minutes because he is like 11th in rookies for minutes played.

Nocioni5
01-02-2009, 05:55 PM
Derrick Rose:D he is the only thing the Bulls really got going for them!

MGB
01-02-2009, 05:59 PM
Why is Derrick Rose in a different font in the poll from everyone elses? Are you trying mind tricks to get us to vote for him:)

isn't that usually what happens after you vote to show who you voted for?

da wood
01-02-2009, 06:11 PM
i don't know i see rose having everything run through him but i see oj who is trhe second option take over alot of games for a team that isn't doing anywhere as bad as alot of people expected them to be doing go figure. open up your eyes people.

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-02-2009, 06:13 PM
isn't that usually what happens after you vote to show who you voted for?

Oh is it:o. I guess thats why it looks different:) I have never noticed that. Thanks

JIDsanity
01-02-2009, 06:27 PM
Rose, but I voted Brook Lopez cause im an ***

MiamiHeat
01-03-2009, 02:51 PM
I'll vote for my homie Beasley

calm down I know Mayo or Rose is going to take it
so don't give me any **** :)

what54!?
01-03-2009, 03:08 PM
I voted mike B. just to give him a vote. But rose or mayo will win it.

nstachowski
01-03-2009, 03:21 PM
I think it will prolly be Derrick Rose

thrilla11
01-04-2009, 04:22 PM
I voted for eric gordon cause i dont see the clips doing anything this year (yet again) so coach will just play gordon the whole year. He could average 25 a game by seasons end. That wont be enough though. Mayo will take it

toovey107
01-04-2009, 10:20 PM
25 a game ??
really , dont think so

JordansBulls
01-04-2009, 10:26 PM
I voted for eric gordon cause i dont see the clips doing anything this year (yet again) so coach will just play gordon the whole year. He could average 25 a game by seasons end. That wont be enough though. Mayo will take it

Are you good with averages? Because there is no way in hell he averages 25 ppg.

KobeOwnSU
01-06-2009, 06:18 PM
Its gonna be westbrook. i think rose is gonna hit bump soon, like beasley did. but russell has been the most consistent of any rookie and he's progresssively getting better not going up and down. watch by the end of the year he will be up too 17ppg 5rbpg 5 apg and 2spg. and tell em those arent ROY type numbers.

mrblisterdundee
01-06-2009, 09:59 PM
It all looks Rosy.

Kyben36
01-06-2009, 11:18 PM
Rose, But I seem to think he is getting more consistant. He seems to understand that nobody can stop him. ( yes, some can stop him but he is getting the type of mentality that Wade, Kobe, and other star players have)


Beasley should win if he was getting consistent playing time but i would rather have a better all around player in the future than have him running around doing what ever he wants now.

Well well well, its the Dreaded IF. lets see. IF a monkey was Bald it would look like a Human. If the Bulls had a gotten Mike D'antoni the bulls would be Amazing. IF the Bulls had a capable GM we would have traded Larry Hughes, Kirk Hinrich, Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, and Noch already.

ee
01-07-2009, 12:15 AM
Why is Derrick Rose in a different font in the poll from everyone elses? Are you trying mind tricks to get us to vote for him:)

some fixed this already

jimbobjarree
01-07-2009, 06:11 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO where the **** is KOSTAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

SFloridaSports
01-07-2009, 08:28 PM
to be honjest, up until a couple weeks ago, i didnt know he left ohio state. you have to wonder why guys like him leave when there status is dropping significantly

jmastert
01-08-2009, 01:11 AM
brook lopez will be the better rookie during the second half of the season

jmastert
01-08-2009, 01:13 AM
and gordon wont average near 25 points a game ur crazy

bigmac8675
01-08-2009, 02:09 AM
I voted Mayo

chicagowhitesox
01-08-2009, 04:25 PM
d-rose

bahama0811
01-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Most likely Derrick Rose

Draco
01-08-2009, 07:04 PM
i don't know i see rose having everything run through him but i see oj who is trhe second option take over alot of games for a team that isn't doing anywhere as bad as alot of people expected them to be doing go figure. open up your eyes people.

OJ logged 1376 minutes through 36 games having attempted 594 shots, and getting 109 Assists, 96 TO's

Gay logged 1334 minutes through 36 games having attempted 593 shots, and getting 67 Assists, 100 TO's

Rose logged 1301 minutes through 35 games having attempted 518 shots, and getting 210 Assists, 94 TO's

Gordon logged 1279 minutes through 35 games having attempted 560 shots, and getting 131 Assists, 88 TO's

BullsNumber1Fan
01-08-2009, 10:45 PM
Rose is the leading the pack with Russell Westbrook and OJ Mayo at 2nd and 3rd respectively. Westbrook has CRAZY talent, but nobody knows about him because he plays for the Thunder.

unwantedplayer
01-08-2009, 11:16 PM
I think Mayo is going to steal it.

jtrinaldi
01-10-2009, 01:14 AM
i have to go luc mbah a moute
if u see what he does for the bucks
youll understand

yAnkSS iSS Ny
01-11-2009, 11:47 AM
derrick rose will have the best career along with beasly but oj gonna win it hes something special

Raptors27
01-11-2009, 12:57 PM
I went with OJ Mayo. This dude is has crazy talent, Rose is gonna be a top PG in the league for years to come tho.

SFloridaSports
01-11-2009, 02:31 PM
i have to go luc mbah a moute
if u see what he does for the bucks
youll understand

your kidding right?

UK Bull
01-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Derrick Rose but he needs to pick his game up a bit

ryguy2k7
01-12-2009, 02:00 AM
Love wins the best rebounding rookie award.

yay

lakerboy
01-12-2009, 03:48 AM
It's a toss up between Rose and Mayo.

I'm a fan of Rose though :)

Giants-49ers-Ws
01-12-2009, 04:24 AM
Rob Kurz!

Vincent
01-14-2009, 03:07 PM
Toss up between Rose and Mayo

But I think Rose will have a better second half than Mayo, so I went with Rose.

sargon21
01-15-2009, 08:44 PM
derrick ROSE

sargon21
01-15-2009, 08:47 PM
derrick rose is gonna be an elite player (DWADE STYLE) in the years to come especially if they get a big man who you could fear off the pick n roll

Jonathan2323
01-15-2009, 09:06 PM
derrick rose is gonna be an elite player (DWADE STYLE) in the years to come especially if they get a big man who you could fear off the pick n roll

no way.

THE_SWAMI
01-17-2009, 08:05 PM
The boy is a beast. Derrick Rose all the way. averaging like 18 pts and 7 assists

Chronz
01-17-2009, 11:28 PM
i have to go luc mbah a moute
if u see what he does for the bucks
youll understand

Been watching him alot lately hes one of the leagues best defenders already

Goon.Weezy
01-17-2009, 11:36 PM
u forgot to put roko ukic on the poll :)

D Roses Bulls
01-17-2009, 11:59 PM
Why is Derrick Rose in a different font in the poll from everyone elses? Are you trying mind tricks to get us to vote for him:)

how come someone says that everytime theres a poll about derrick rose for the rookie of the year. anyways rose will win it hands down.

MJ-BULLS
01-19-2009, 06:14 PM
i think rose will win it easy if the refs call him for some drive in fouls, but hasnt got them laterly but hes going to winhttp://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o284/mistytigergirl/Faces%20And%20Smileys/Happy.gif

scandaless2
01-23-2009, 02:43 PM
I voted for eric gordon cause i dont see the clips doing anything this year (yet again) so coach will just play gordon the whole year. He could average 25 a game by seasons end. That wont be enough though. Mayo will take it

i hope u talking about MPG and not PPG

HOZ THE KNICK
01-27-2009, 08:36 AM
rose for sure

JayW_1023
01-27-2009, 12:16 PM
I don't think he'll win ROY, but Oden deserves some love for his play of late. Last night he was 7-7 from the field.

djeller1139
01-27-2009, 07:40 PM
Rose.

Bandwag0n Hater
01-27-2009, 07:48 PM
greg oden

Dmagic87
01-27-2009, 08:12 PM
Why is Gallanari in this list? Rookies usually slow down at the half way point because they are not use to playing so many games. I bet the Rooster gets into the top 7 rookie class in the 2nd half.

cvburg
01-28-2009, 06:20 AM
i voted rose but does courtney lee not atleast get some love...he has been pretty good out of a small school....and he may be one of the best on ball defenders in the rookie class

Mikeflight
01-28-2009, 04:43 PM
Derrick Rose will win R.O.Y honors real talk the former hoosier Eric Gordon is lightin it up might want to watch out for the former big ten player of the year

patevish
01-29-2009, 02:48 AM
Okay, Derrick Rose gets too hyped and isnt merely as good as Mayo and his numbers thus far. OJ Mayo is going to take his hot performance into the all-star break then accelerate from there !

nitric
01-29-2009, 02:54 AM
^lol

JayW_1023
01-29-2009, 08:44 AM
^lol

Cool...a SF fan...can't wait for the 4th game.

Oden update: 14 points and 14 rebounds against the Bobcats.

He prolly will never live up the hype...but people who called him a bust should really hang their heads. Oden has been producing quite consistently these days.

NyYaNkEeS 91
02-01-2009, 10:51 AM
Brook Lopez

MN Hitman
02-04-2009, 11:59 PM
Kevin Love! He's turning into a complete beast.

METS4LIFE1988
02-06-2009, 04:19 AM
Brook Lopez!

MJ-BULLS
02-06-2009, 10:18 PM
d rose if the bulls start playing again they been playing well as of late

Kakaroach
02-09-2009, 06:21 PM
It will probably come down to Derrick Rose or O.J. Mayo prolly. I also think Brook Lopez and Russell Westbrook also have a chance at it if they make a second-half push.

VCaintdead17
02-09-2009, 06:31 PM
I think Kevin Love has a good chance. He is averaging nearly a double double off the bench. Also Mbah Mout has played well and brook Lopez. Also the popular choices like Greg Oden and Derrick Rode and OJ all have great chances

lakerboy
02-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Where is my boy Sunyue?

Kyle916
02-09-2009, 07:36 PM
Westbrook needs some more love.

thesparky33
02-09-2009, 10:30 PM
I think with the Al Jefferson injury, Kevin Love is going to be playing heavy minutes for the rest of the season, resulting in him getting a huge opportunity to shine. He's averaging a double/double in little over 20 minutes a game, and he's a rebounding machine.

I'm not saying he's gonna be ROY, but I think he'll definitely be a top 3 candidate, or at least be in the discussion.

b_rad23
02-09-2009, 11:52 PM
He's not averaging a double double and I don't think it will be enough IMO. It's definitely interesting though and I like his game.

It has to be Rose, Mayo, Lopez, or Westbrook. I would like Beasley or Chalmers to win it, but Chalmers doesn't have the numbers and Beasley doesn't have the minutes behind Haslem. I think Rose gets it regardless because of the hype.

Deezy Dee 24
02-10-2009, 12:06 AM
OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ
MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO

O.J. Mayo should win rookie of the year.

ee
02-10-2009, 12:52 AM
update, Brook Lopez 18.4ppg, 12.4rpg, 2bpg shooting it at 61% his last 5 games....facing the likes of D.Howard, Dalembert, Kenyon Martin, Nene.....

Baller1
02-10-2009, 12:57 AM
It's a two man race as of now, Mayo vs. Rose. But, way too many people are sleeping on Westbrook, and B. Lopez has been playing well as of late.

But, when it comes down to it, I see it being Mayo, Rose, or a small chance Westbrook nabs it.

BayAreaNative
02-10-2009, 06:28 PM
Brook Lopez needs to be named in the same sentence as Rose and Mayo. He's getting better every week and could be at lest a 15-10 guy by the end of the season, if not better. Throw in 2bpg and a FG% over .500 and you've got an all-star in the making.

TYoung21
02-10-2009, 09:30 PM
Speights would easily win if he actually played more minutes.

theuuord
02-10-2009, 11:36 PM
Rose & Mayo are hitting the rookie wall (slowly and not hugely, but it's happening), while Lopez is getting better every month.

It's friggin scary how good he's getting.

theuuord
02-10-2009, 11:37 PM
Speights would easily win if he actually played more minutes.

He's doing great efficient work but with more playing time his efficency would be surely lower. Same with Greg Oden.
He's quite a talent though.

DABEARS23
02-10-2009, 11:47 PM
Derrick Rose for sure no question about it

mzgrizz
02-11-2009, 12:33 AM
[QUOTE=theuuord;8328108]Rose & Mayo are hitting the rookie wall (slowly and not hugely, but it's happening),


?????????
Mayo with 22 and 16 last night ??? What kind of wall is that?
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJMAYO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

theuuord
02-11-2009, 01:18 AM
[QUOTE=theuuord;8328108]Rose & Mayo are hitting the rookie wall (slowly and not hugely, but it's happening),


?????????
Mayo with 22 and 16 last night ??? What kind of wall is that?
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJMAYO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah he had a great game last night. That doesn't change that his PPG, FG% and 3P% have both gone steadily downward in every full month he's played (percentages more than PPG).
His 16-board game last night was his only double-digit rebound game, and his season high on assists is 7 (including only 2.2 last month.)

Mayo is basically two-dimensional. Outside of scoring in volume - which he's pretty good at - and rebounding, which he's decent at for a guard - there's not much you can count on him for.

JordansBulls
02-11-2009, 01:48 AM
Derrick Rose for sure no question about it

How is it no question about it?

theuuord
02-11-2009, 02:06 AM
How is it no question about it?

Well the hype machine for Rose is still pretty strong so it'll be no surprise to anyone if he does win it. But if he starts to taper off even more down the stretch (especially with regards to his shooting), and someone like (hint: homer) Lopez keeps stepping up as radically as he's been, then anything is possible...

mzgrizz
02-11-2009, 11:31 PM
Mayo is basically two-dimensional. Outside of scoring in volume - which he's pretty good at - and rebounding, which he's decent at for a guard - there's not much you can count on him for.

You are right.that scoring in volume and pretty good rebounding will certainly vote you out of the contest!!:rolleyes:

theuuord
02-11-2009, 11:59 PM
You are right.that scoring in volume and pretty good rebounding will certainly vote you out of the contest!!:rolleyes:

You're not very good at debating your point.

He does one thing pretty well and one thing decently. He can't do anything else well.

The thing that separates Rose & Lopez (& to an extent, Love and Westbrook) from Mayo is that all their games are multifaceted, while Mayo's is not so much.

mzgrizz
02-12-2009, 12:03 AM
You're not very good at debating your point.

He does one thing pretty well and one thing decently. He can't do anything else well.

The thing that separates Rose & Lopez (& to an extent, Love and Westbrook) from Mayo is that all their games are multifaceted, while Mayo's is not so much.

I'm not trying to debate anything. OJ Mayo is a hell of a player as are the other ones.....I'm just prejudiced for players that put up points when they have on a Grizzlies uniform.:D

theuuord
02-12-2009, 12:04 AM
I'm not trying to debate anything. OJ Mayo is a hell of a player as are the other ones.....I'm just prejudiced for players that put up points when they have on a Grizzlies uniform.:D

LOL. that's fair. We all have our biases.

Steely McBeam
02-12-2009, 05:56 PM
before looking at this list i didnt know how close this race could be, but my vote is for mayo

sargon21
02-12-2009, 06:25 PM
Rose & Mayo are hitting the rookie wall (slowly and not hugely, but it's happening), while Lopez is getting better every month.

It's friggin scary how good he's getting.

oj is, rose is turnin it up i dont know what ur watchin

DABEARS23
02-12-2009, 07:08 PM
Like I said Rose no question bout it whos even close to getting ot over him?

abe_froman
02-12-2009, 07:10 PM
Like I said Rose no question bout it whos even close to getting ot over him?

oj?

Afridi786
02-12-2009, 07:13 PM
idk how people can justify Mayo > Rose, need to watch both of them and look up their stats, Rose is better.

klvanzu
02-12-2009, 07:30 PM
1. Rose
2. Westbrook
3. Mayo
4. Lopez

DABEARS23
02-12-2009, 07:54 PM
oj?

How do you figure Rose is alot better than oj

Cubs Win
02-13-2009, 06:14 PM
Did anyone catch during the Bulls-Heat game on TNT last night when the annoucers said that Beasley and Chalmers were both top 4 candidates for ROY? I personally think thats laughable. Right now, I'd have Rose, Mayo, Westbrook, and Lopez in the top 4. Beasley may has the chance to crack the top 4 by season's end if he plays really, really well the rest of the way. But Chalmers? C'mon, I know he was a great second round draft pick and has contributed a lot considering he was a second rounder, but not top 4 ROY candidate at all.

EX-TREME
02-14-2009, 10:14 PM
derrick rose

X12Celtics3
02-14-2009, 10:49 PM
I like what I've seen of Brook Lopez so far, so he has my vote. My second place vote would go to Rose though.

MJ-BULLS
02-15-2009, 09:00 PM
oj?

oj?, rose is going to take the ROY

chicago lulz
02-16-2009, 03:26 AM
I love the bias in all these different threads.

QuaLiThADoN
02-16-2009, 03:57 AM
B lopez has been playing outstanding he's actually ranked number 1 this week on espn nevermind playing the best out of the rookies in the rook soph game

abe_froman
02-16-2009, 04:50 AM
oj?, rose is going to take the ROY

never said he wasnt,but the post i was replying to said 100%(like there are no other contenders,which there are)

michaelbt18
02-16-2009, 09:14 PM
Jason Thompson is sick nasty!

Missing56&33
02-16-2009, 09:41 PM
rose

Baller1
02-16-2009, 11:43 PM
Westbrook deserves more love...

Kakaroach
02-18-2009, 10:38 PM
I would have to say Derrick Rose or Brook Lopez as of now. Westbrook, Mayo, and Beasley are going to have to do a lot before they can be considered for ROY.

RAINMAN678
02-19-2009, 11:23 AM
I like what I've seen of Brook Lopez so far, so he has my vote. My second place vote would go to Rose though.

Thats funny, I smell roses for roy. mayo a close second. beasley third. Im not bustin your balls Brook Lopez has been a lot better then advertised. probably the steal in the draft but come on. Rose is the leader on his team controls his team. Mayo is a great fit next to Gay and showed he is a lot more mature then expected. I know your sippen on the Nets kool-Aid but come on thats funny.

RAINMAN678
02-19-2009, 11:31 AM
B lopez has been playing outstanding he's actually ranked number 1 this week on espn nevermind playing the best out of the rookies in the rook soph game

Why would you say that that a exhibition all star game could have anything to do with the voting. They were probably high and drunk during the game.With DWade as your coach it would not suprise me.

ElToro
02-19-2009, 11:39 AM
I like Derrick Rose to win the R.O.Y., & certainly hope they don't give it to the "Mayonnaise" O.J. Mayo at the end of the year although his team's going nowhere.

Bucks_Packers
02-19-2009, 08:50 PM
Derrick Rose never really has a bad game, because he has the safety net of Hinrich behind him.

One player who no one pays attention to at all is Luc Mbah a Moute: he has started at the 3 and the 4 and guards the other teams best player every night.
Mbah a Moute isnt rookie of the year, but if there was an award for most intangible rookie, hes a clear cut winner.

Chronz
02-19-2009, 09:15 PM
Westbrook, Lopez, and Gordon have entered the race as well. I dont think its Rose's to lose just yet.

Leafsleeve
02-20-2009, 04:48 PM
OJ Mayo should win it, he is the most overall talented rooki in this years class.

Draco
02-20-2009, 06:33 PM
This guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dohTINBsuN8&feature=related

Hawkeye15
02-20-2009, 08:15 PM
I wish the Wolves had played Love 30+ mpg. He would be in the race easy. With Jefferson down, he may very well finish the season averaging a double double.

Afridi786
02-20-2009, 08:18 PM
OJ Mayo should win it, he is the most overall talented rooki in this years class.

Except passing....lmao.

theuuord
02-20-2009, 08:40 PM
I wish the Wolves had played Love 30+ mpg. He would be in the race easy. With Jefferson down, he may very well finish the season averaging a double double.

Agreed. Love's stock has been rising steadily. I had him as my third-best player from this class preseason, and when all is said and done he might become that.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-20-2009, 10:16 PM
Mayo should win.

klvanzu
02-21-2009, 04:30 PM
Rose easily

stejay
02-24-2009, 05:59 AM
Derrick Rose....why is oden there??...its his second year

_Supreme_
02-24-2009, 11:38 AM
Right now Eric Gordon is the best rookie out there, closely followed by Russell Westbrook and OJ Mayo.

Brook Lopez is currently #4.

Before the season started I thought Gordon would be anything special, but boy has he proven me wrong.

I'm sorry for his loverboy fans, but Derrick Rose isn't any better than #5 at the moment.

MJ-BULLS
02-24-2009, 12:10 PM
This guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dohTINBsuN8&feature=related

nice mix, rose is going to win it bulls will sneek in to the playoffs and people will see how amazing he is, but i will say this rose is going to be the lebron james of point guards!

theuuord
02-24-2009, 01:15 PM
Right now Eric Gordon is the best rookie out there, closely followed by Russell Westbrook and OJ Mayo.

Brook Lopez is currently #4.

Before the season started I thought Gordon would be anything special, but boy has he proven me wrong.

I'm sorry for his loverboy fans, but Derrick Rose isn't any better than #5 at the moment.

What can Eric Gordon do, other than shoot?

Drtino
02-24-2009, 01:40 PM
Brook Lopez hands down...

Afridi786
02-24-2009, 03:20 PM
Right now Eric Gordon is the best rookie out there, closely followed by Russell Westbrook and OJ Mayo.

Brook Lopez is currently #4.

Before the season started I thought Gordon would be anything special, but boy has he proven me wrong.

I'm sorry for his loverboy fans, but Derrick Rose isn't any better than #5 at the moment.

just cuz he's on ur fantasy team....shame on you.

klvanzu
02-24-2009, 11:48 PM
Right now Eric Gordon is the best rookie out there, closely followed by Russell Westbrook and OJ Mayo.

Brook Lopez is currently #4.

Before the season started I thought Gordon would be anything special, but boy has he proven me wrong.

I'm sorry for his loverboy fans, but Derrick Rose isn't any better than #5 at the moment.

You sir are delusional and borderline ********...no offense...or offense I don't care

Kakaroach
02-24-2009, 11:55 PM
You sir are delusional and borderline ********...no offense...or offense I don't care Lol. But yea Derrick Rose is #1 thus far, and I don't think anyone will take it from him..

b_rad23
02-25-2009, 10:01 AM
I'm thinking the contenders for the award will multiply as the season ends. Lopez, Love, Beasley and Gordon will probably approach Rose, Mayo and Westbrook as they continue to get minutes and the other three even out a bit. Gordon is overrated IMO but when he's getting all those minutes he probably shouldn't be getting, his stats are going to look ok.

what54!?
02-25-2009, 02:26 PM
Its still gotta be rose. Other are making cases and mayo is putting up good scoring numbers but rose is leading his team to W's.

Baller1
02-26-2009, 09:42 PM
Here's a stat I read on NBA.com...

Since 1980, only 5 players have averaged 15 PPG, 5 RPG, and 5 APG in their rookie seasons. Those players are Lebron James, Steve Francis, Anfernee Hardaway, Chris Paul, and Grant Hill. All of those players, excluding Hardaway, went on to win ROTY. Russell Westbrook is averaging 15.3 PPG, 4.7 RPG, and 5.0 APG.

Just something to think about...

IRUAM #21
02-26-2009, 10:24 PM
^ Wow that's some elite company right there

abe_froman
02-27-2009, 03:33 AM
Here's a stat I read on NBA.com...

Since 1980, only 5 players have averaged 15 PPG, 5 RPG, and 5 APG in their rookie seasons. Those players are Lebron James, Steve Francis, Anfernee Hardaway, Chris Paul, and Grant Hill. All of those players, excluding Hardaway, went on to win ROTY. Russell Westbrook is averaging 15.3 PPG, 4.7 RPG, and 5.0 APG.

Just something to think about...

impressive to think about and would look like a lock any year,until you see that rose is averaging more ppg and apg

barbjake
02-27-2009, 03:53 AM
I think Rose will still win it, but Westbrook is turning out waaaaayyy better than I thought he'd be.

Baller1
02-27-2009, 11:21 AM
impressive to think about and would look like a lock any year,until you see that rose is averaging more ppg and apg

True, but Westbrook wasn't even starting at the beginning of the year, so he's had to work hard to get his stats up, which he has. I think if he keeps playing at such a level, he has a real shot at grabbing ROTY. Although, I really like what Rose is doing in Chicago.

abe_froman
02-27-2009, 04:02 PM
True, but Westbrook wasn't even starting at the beginning of the year, so he's had to work hard to get his stats up, which he has. I think if he keeps playing at such a level, he has a real shot at grabbing ROTY. Although, I really like what Rose is doing in Chicago.
like i said any year,that line would win it.but this rookie class jumping in as quick as they have.and while i do think he has a shot,he's unfortunately in okc and coming out of nowhere(wasnt even thought of as in the mix before the season), doesnt carry the name/cache with him ,which is part of it(durant over horford,ect.)

Sidious
02-27-2009, 04:56 PM
rose will win easily

theuuord
03-02-2009, 01:59 AM
True, but Westbrook wasn't even starting at the beginning of the year, so he's had to work hard to get his stats up, which he has. I think if he keeps playing at such a level, he has a real shot at grabbing ROTY. Although, I really like what Rose is doing in Chicago.

Wow, I didn't even realize he wasn't starting.

As a starter Westbrook has averaged 17.2-5.3-5.4 with decent percentages. That's a lot better than I thought.

Westbrook has definitely surprised me, and everyone else too I would think.

rabueed
03-02-2009, 02:26 AM
something you gotta realize, though, is that Westbrook doesn't have the rest of his team, veterans included, looking to him on where to be on offense during the game. That's what separates Rose from the rest, IMO. Rose is a leader out there on the court, and it shows by example.

Michael Jordan would be great individually all those years with his stats and so on, but without leadership, he wouldn't have his MVPs or championships.

Baller1
03-02-2009, 02:30 AM
something you gotta realize, though, is that Westbrook doesn't have the rest of his team, veterans included, looking to him on where to be on offense during the game. That's what separates Rose from the rest, IMO. Rose is a leader out there on the court, and it shows by example.

Michael Jordan would be great individually all those years with his stats and so on, but without leadership, he wouldn't have his MVPs or championships.

Rose has to be the leader. He's the man in Chicago.

Westbrook has Durant, he doesn't need to be the leader.

I just think people count Westbrook out far too much, as the guy previously posted, Westbrook's numbers as a starter are identical to Rose's.

theuuord
03-02-2009, 02:31 AM
something you gotta realize, though, is that Westbrook doesn't have the rest of his team, veterans included, looking to him on where to be on offense during the game. That's what separates Rose from the rest, IMO. Rose is a leader out there on the court, and it shows by example.

Michael Jordan would be great individually all those years with his stats and so on, but without leadership, he wouldn't have his MVPs or championships.

Actually it doesn't really seem that way. The more I watch Rose the more it appears that he's extremely quiet and humble, and just by nature of being a point guard on a team without much star power appears to be the leader a lot of the time when in fact he's just a good point guard.

The "Rose"-colored glasses - pun mildly intended - are starting to come off. I'd rather have him over Westbrook, personally, but Rose has been so media-driven that sometimes it's hard to see him for what he is - a rookie point guard with a ton of talent that still has a lot of work to do. Westbrook is an extremely talented player as well and has I think shocked pretty much everyone with how strongly he's played here in his first season.

what54!?
03-02-2009, 01:54 PM
Actually it doesn't really seem that way. The more I watch Rose the more it appears that he's extremely quiet and humble, and just by nature of being a point guard on a team without much star power appears to be the leader a lot of the time when in fact he's just a good point guard.

The "Rose"-colored glasses - pun mildly intended - are starting to come off. I'd rather have him over Westbrook, personally, but Rose has been so media-driven that sometimes it's hard to see him for what he is - a rookie point guard with a ton of talent that still has a lot of work to do. Westbrook is an extremely talented player as well and has I think shocked pretty much everyone with how strongly he's played here in his first season.Yeah westbrook has suprised me the most of every rookie. I didn't think he was worth the 4th pick and thought he would come on slowly. But I gotta admit, he is a stud.

WhiteSoxBears82
03-02-2009, 02:11 PM
Rose only b/c it was in a different font :rolleyes:

unwantedplayer
03-02-2009, 02:21 PM
Rose is definetly going to win it. There is really no competition other than O.J. Mayo. But I don't think many people expected Rose to be this good.

Sportfan
03-02-2009, 03:20 PM
I like rose a lot and I think he'll win it but IMO the real ROY is mayo

Baller1
03-02-2009, 11:31 PM
Russell Westbrook; 3/2/09 vs. Dallas Mavericks

17 Pts, 10 Rbs, 10 Ast, 2 Stl, 1 Blk

Oh... and they won.

Wow.

EX-TREME
03-03-2009, 07:32 AM
Russell Westbrook; 3/2/09 vs. Dallas Mavericks

17 Pts, 10 Rbs, 10 Ast, 2 Stl, 1 Blk

Oh... and they won.

Wow.

really. westbrook is awesome.

Baller1
03-03-2009, 10:49 AM
really. westbrook is awesome.

Yeah, Durant and Green both didn't play either.

derek10
03-03-2009, 06:16 PM
Rose or Westbrook definitly. rose is having a great rookie season but, westbrook is coming on as of late, he hada triple double last night without durant in the linup. they are both on terrible teams it will go to whoever has one a couple of big highlight games.

RealistRocket34
03-03-2009, 06:23 PM
Derrick Rose, because he actually leads his team to wins. Mayo doesn't get hype like LeBron so it should be Rose by a landslide in the votings.

chuckdaily85
03-03-2009, 06:57 PM
Where is Brook Lopez in this category. You guys are glorifying Rose when he is coming to team loaded with talent (Gordon, Deng, Noah, Thomas). Lopez, Westbrook, and Mayo basically had one maybe two guys on their team and they are still putting up numbers. My vote would be for Lopez because his stats are good plus he's doing without the same amount of touches as the other aforementioned guys.

b_rad23
03-04-2009, 04:30 PM
Where is Brook Lopez in this category. You guys are glorifying Rose when he is coming to team loaded with talent (Gordon, Deng, Noah, Thomas). Lopez, Westbrook, and Mayo basically had one maybe two guys on their team and they are still putting up numbers. My vote would be for Lopez because his stats are good plus he's doing without the same amount of touches as the other aforementioned guys.

I think that you're thinking of it all wrong. Lopez has far more talent IMO. I think it's the fact that Rose is the clear #1 on his team that allows him to put up those somewhat gaudy numbers unlike Lopez (Carter, Harris), Westbrook (Durant, Green), Mayo (Gay- he might be better so his numbers are on par with Rose's). I think Westbrook and maybe Lopez are better overall players at this point.

charlsdq7
03-04-2009, 04:47 PM
Rose vs MAyo battle.....Rose will win but Mayo should...

theuuord
03-04-2009, 06:43 PM
I think that you're thinking of it all wrong. Lopez has far more talent IMO. I think it's the fact that Rose is the clear #1 on his team that allows him to put up those somewhat gaudy numbers unlike Lopez (Carter, Harris), Westbrook (Durant, Green), Mayo (Gay- he might be better so his numbers are on par with Rose's). I think Westbrook and maybe Lopez are better overall players at this point.

I think it's remarkable that the Nets are anywhere close to the playoffs with literally zero starting quality 3's or 4's. Yi is getting there (or at least was before his injury) but he's still ridiculously inconsistent and can't be counted on from a game to game basis.

The Nets have 27 wins, and pretty much every single one of them is because of Carter, Harris, and Lopez. That's more remarkable to me than what the other players are doing.

For me right now, it's a four-way tie. Lopez could win it and I'd be ecstatic because I'm a Nets fan. Rose could win it and I'd be completely unsurprised because he's a freak of nature athletically and has the whole media behind him. Westbrook could win it and I'd be a little surprised (because Rose plays his position and is clearly the favorite there), but I'd be happy because he's entirely deserving, especially since his play has improved as the year's gone on (unlike Rose+Mayo, who have been stagnant or falling a bit). And of course, Mayo could win it and I'd be happy because Mayo is a freak of nature as a scorer and needs no explanation.






I think the one thing we can agree on is that this is a truly great draft class, and it's going to be fun watching these guys for the next ten or fifteen years. Hell, those are just the ROY candidates: we've still got Beasley, Love, Augustin, Gordon, Thompson, Chalmers, Speights, Lee, Anderson, Arthur, Mbah a Moute, Hill, Oden (i put him last because most people don't count him, even though he's eligible) and so on. even Alexander I think will be a rotation-level player in a few years. The talent in 2008 is outstanding - there are no LeBron's, but a ton of future all-stars.

QuaLiThADoN
03-04-2009, 07:04 PM
My vote = Lopez/Rose
Maybe we are going to have a grant hill jason kidd two ROY's lol

klvanzu
03-05-2009, 12:13 AM
My vote = Lopez/Rose
Maybe we are going to have a grant hill jason kidd two ROY's lol

4 way? Rose Lopez Westbrook Mayo

lorenz00
03-05-2009, 01:16 AM
westbrook man!! his out of nowhere!

b_rad23
03-07-2009, 07:25 PM
Just want to add that if Beasley was playing Rose minutes he'd average 20.13 PPG and 7.8 RPG (at his current rate obviously).

MGB
03-08-2009, 11:23 AM
Just want to add that if Beasley was playing Rose minutes he'd average 20.13 PPG and 7.8 RPG (at his current rate obviously).

just want to add that Beasley's efficiency has been rather bad most of the season...

Hellcrooner
03-09-2009, 03:30 AM
Marc Gasol numbers in march.

4 games played

21.75 ppg on 28/39 shooting 75% with 29-36 80%ft shooting.

9,75 rpg

4 assists pg

1 steal pg

2.75 blocks per game.

If he keeps this speed until seasons end, can he win it?

How didficult is to averagea in 20s getting less than 10 shots a game???

ggg
03-09-2009, 04:38 AM
no because memphis dont give love for his talents. they could actually compete if they use him more often.

Kyben36
03-09-2009, 07:03 AM
Marc Gasol is a pretty good player, I would love him on the bulls

HOZ THE KNICK
03-09-2009, 08:02 AM
rose have it on lock and it seems like the bulls are headed to the dance.

birdrock7525
03-09-2009, 11:21 AM
Russell Westbrook is really coming on lately. I know his numbers are up due to injuries but he really brings it and is an intense player. I haven't watched many Bulls games, but even with Memphis I didn't see that fire with Rose, I could be misaken but as a knick fan this kid reminds me of marbury, crazy talent but lacks that internal drive.

RapssRULzzz16
03-09-2009, 11:35 AM
He would be a great fit for the raps.

theuuord
03-09-2009, 11:39 AM
Marc Gasol is good but he's not even the best rookie on his own team.

The Panch
03-09-2009, 11:47 AM
It looks like Rose has it locked up, but Eric Gordon seems to be getting closer to him. If Eric Gordon was playing out of the gates like Rose was, we would be talking about Eric Gordon for ROY.

mrblisterdundee
03-09-2009, 11:51 AM
I don't see anybody overtaking Russell Westbrook. He's just too damn good. I think he'll eventually bump Rose out of first.

Bullsfan22
03-09-2009, 11:58 AM
Russell Westbrook is really coming on lately. I know his numbers are up due to injuries but he really brings it and is an intense player. I haven't watched many Bulls games, but even with Memphis I didn't see that fire with Rose, I could be misaken but as a knick fan this kid reminds me of marbury, crazy talent but lacks that internal drive.

any bulls fan would tell you that you couldn't be more wrong. Derrick Rose has the most disgusted looks on his face when he losses,he simply hates losing just as much as the kobe's and the lebron's. I'd really like to know how you came to the conclusion that he lacks internal drive? I hope your not basing it off showing emotion because while kg shows emotion and screams and yells and exudes internal drive a guy like timmy D has just as much internal drive but doesn't show it in his emotions. If your basing internal drive off work ethic (which you should be) derrick has a great work ethic and just about all his former coaches have stated that in articles and interviews.

albertc86
03-09-2009, 12:08 PM
No love for Lopez? He's quietly going under the radar but he's doing his thing too.

theuuord
03-09-2009, 12:17 PM
It looks like Rose has it locked up, but Eric Gordon seems to be getting closer to him. If Eric Gordon was playing out of the gates like Rose was, we would be talking about Eric Gordon for ROY.

If the ROY was based on shooting alone, then you're right. But Gordon does little else outside of that.

Faneik
03-09-2009, 12:17 PM
No love for Lopez? He's quietly going under the radar but he's doing his thing too.

Exactly what I was going to say.

12.6 pts, 8 reb, 1.9 blks in 30 mins per game.

Very good line for a 20 year old rookie.

Leading the NBA in efficiency per game by a rookie:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=0&splitDD=All%20Teams

EDIT
Lopez averages are better than Marc Gasol's in less minutes.

birdrock7525
03-09-2009, 12:32 PM
any bulls fan would tell you that you couldn't be more wrong. Derrick Rose has the most disgusted looks on his face when he losses,he simply hates losing just as much as the kobe's and the lebron's. I'd really like to know how you came to the conclusion that he lacks internal drive? I hope your not basing it off showing emotion because while kg shows emotion and screams and yells and exudes internal drive a guy like timmy D has just as much internal drive but doesn't show it in his emotions. If your basing internal drive off work ethic (which you should be) derrick has a great work ethic and just about all his former coaches have stated that in articles and interviews.

Like I said, I could be mistaken, my assumption is taken from a small sample and little research. But from what I've seen , Westbrook looks like the guy I'd rather have on my squad.

Chicagofaithful
03-09-2009, 12:32 PM
R.O.Y. in my eyes...

1. Derrick Rose (because he's making a terrible bulls team look playoff bound)
2. OJ Mayo (while he hasnt improved the grizz that much, he has been so consistent)
3. Eric Gordon (the guy can just flat out score which is what won Ben Gordon the award)
4. Russel Westbrook - his injuries have kept his averages down, but the man is a straight baller looking to get his teammates involved.
5.Brook Lopez - i still can't believe he fell so far in the lottery, the knicks took Gallinari over him! hahaha
6. Kevin Love - while this was tough between him and Marc Gasol, Kevin has done more so far.
7. If the Grizz would just use Marc more often then he'd jump way up, but since he is underutilized i dont think he stands a chance for ROY.
8. Michael Beasley - the only reason he is so low is because he doesnt get more time. he's proving lately that he can be a force in this league, and his defense is better than he gets credit for but until he gets consistent minutes... he wont win ROY which is mostly Eric Spoelstra's fault.

any more i dont see necessary to discuss...

Bullsfan22
03-09-2009, 01:04 PM
Like I said, I could be mistaken, my assumption is taken from a small sample and little research. But from what I've seen , Westbrook looks like the guy I'd rather have on my squad.

no problem.;)

superkegger
03-09-2009, 01:13 PM
Marc Gasol for ROY

:laugh:

He has a good week in March and all of the sudden HC and his ridiculous european bias thinks he should be ROY. Unreal. It's rookie of the year, not rookie of the first week in march.

Brooke
03-09-2009, 01:17 PM
if any rookie on that team were to get it, it would be Mayo. He is second IMO right behind Derrick Rose

what54!?
03-09-2009, 01:21 PM
nope. He's not passing rose, mayo, or westbrook

IndyRealist
03-09-2009, 01:24 PM
Guy's a beast, but it is the rookie of the year award, not rookie of the month. Memphis should have realized that he's played pro ball for a while now and given him the reigns of the team instead of floundering about their PG position. After all is said and done, I'd rather build around him and Mayo than around Mayo and Gay.

charlsdq7
03-09-2009, 01:24 PM
yeah 2 late...Rose got it

SDBearsFan
03-09-2009, 02:18 PM
I think Rose wins it, but, it's good to see that such a strong rookie class came out of this years draft. Definitely better than the Oden/Durant draft class.

Hellcrooner
03-09-2009, 02:23 PM
there are 20 games laft, my question is if he keeps it for the next 3 months.

Lopez: does he take less shootis than Marc? i DOUBD IT, TH gay and MaYo ( and even warrick) Show leaves him with a very ridiculous amount of shots a game, had he had 4 or 5 shots more a game he would have a 15 ppg averga.

Gibby23
03-09-2009, 02:27 PM
there are 20 games laft, my question is if he keeps it for the next 3 months.

Lopez: does he take less shootis than Marc? i DOUBD IT, TH gay and MaYo ( and even warrick) Show leaves him with a very ridiculous amount of shots a game, had he had 4 or 5 shots more a game he would have a 15 ppg averga.

You know there is only about a month left?

IndyRealist
03-09-2009, 02:33 PM
You know there is only about a month left?

I assume he means playoffs too.

Brook Lopez has taken 650 shots in 63 games, or about 10/game.
Marc Gasol has taken 491 shots in 62 games, or about 8/game.

Gibby23
03-09-2009, 02:35 PM
I assume he means playoffs too.

Brook Lopez has taken 650 shots in 63 games, or about 10/game.
Marc Gasol has taken 491 shots in 62 games, or about 8/game.

Memphis isn't going to the playoffs, and they don't consider playoffs for roy.

Jonathan2323
03-09-2009, 02:40 PM
R.O.Y. in my eyes...

1. Derrick Rose (because he's making a terrible bulls team look playoff bound)
2. OJ Mayo (while he hasnt improved the grizz that much, he has been so consistent)
3. Eric Gordon (the guy can just flat out score which is what won Ben Gordon the award)
4. Russel Westbrook - his injuries have kept his averages down, but the man is a straight baller looking to get his teammates involved.
5.Brook Lopez - i still can't believe he fell so far in the lottery, the knicks took Gallinari over him! hahaha
6. Kevin Love - while this was tough between him and Marc Gasol, Kevin has done more so far.
7. If the Grizz would just use Marc more often then he'd jump way up, but since he is underutilized i dont think he stands a chance for ROY.
8. Michael Beasley - the only reason he is so low is because he doesnt get more time. he's proving lately that he can be a force in this league, and his defense is better than he gets credit for but until he gets consistent minutes... he wont win ROY which is mostly Eric Spoelstra's fault.
any more i dont see necessary to discuss...

good to hear that people realize this.

Derrick Rose will win, but Eric Gordon has been very impressive.

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
03-09-2009, 02:55 PM
Those are some pretty impressive numbers, but it might be too late.

Hellcrooner
03-09-2009, 03:02 PM
I assume he means playoffs too.

Brook Lopez has taken 650 shots in 63 games, or about 10/game.
Marc Gasol has taken 491 shots in 62 games, or about 8/game. thats it.

Lopez has shot like 150 more shots than mark and still is doing only 0,5 more points per game.

so no, he is not haveing better stats.

MJ-BULLS
03-09-2009, 03:10 PM
in the end it will be derrick rose, marc gasol is playing real good as of late and those are impressive numbers,but rose has he's team in playoffs contention and i believe he's going to play better when in seasons end

theuuord
03-09-2009, 03:25 PM
thats it.

Lopez has shot like 150 more shots than mark and still is doing only 0,5 more points per game.

so no, he is not haveing better stats.

it is not that simple and you know it.

Baller1
03-09-2009, 06:05 PM
R.O.Y. in my eyes...

1. Derrick Rose (because he's making a terrible bulls team look playoff bound)
2. OJ Mayo (while he hasnt improved the grizz that much, he has been so consistent)
3. Eric Gordon (the guy can just flat out score which is what won Ben Gordon the award)
4. Russel Westbrook - his injuries have kept his averages down, but the man is a straight baller looking to get his teammates involved.
5.Brook Lopez - i still can't believe he fell so far in the lottery, the knicks took Gallinari over him! hahaha
6. Kevin Love - while this was tough between him and Marc Gasol, Kevin has done more so far.
7. If the Grizz would just use Marc more often then he'd jump way up, but since he is underutilized i dont think he stands a chance for ROY.
8. Michael Beasley - the only reason he is so low is because he doesnt get more time. he's proving lately that he can be a force in this league, and his defense is better than he gets credit for but until he gets consistent minutes... he wont win ROY which is mostly Eric Spoelstra's fault.

any more i dont see necessary to discuss...

Russell Westbrook has played in every single game for OKC this season...? And he has the best stats among rookies since the all-star break.

Chronz
03-09-2009, 06:25 PM
Marc has been great, but Lopez has been better

Faneik
03-12-2009, 08:37 AM
thats it.

Lopez has shot like 150 more shots than mark and still is doing only 0,5 more points per game.

so no, he is not haveing better stats.

lol...the numbers don't lie.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?league=00&season=22008&conf=OVERALL&position=1&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=0&splitDD=All%20Teams

And don't forget, Marc is a more seasoned player. This isn't his 1st professional year, plus his international experience.

Lopez is having a better year.

ELEVATION23
03-12-2009, 02:24 PM
Russell Westbrook should get it..but Lopez or Rose will prob. get it

GSW_Soul
03-13-2009, 12:55 AM
Im pretty sure rose is gonna take cuz he's beasting rite now..

Hellcrooner
03-13-2009, 04:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090313 welll Maybe im nto that crazy?

superkegger
03-13-2009, 04:26 PM
Kevin Love has been spectacular.

abe_froman
03-13-2009, 04:55 PM
Kevin Love has been spectacular.

yes he has been,and no one's noticed

superkegger
03-13-2009, 04:58 PM
yes he has been,and no one's noticed

I don't know that he's ROY worthy, but he's been phenomenal, especially when people were saying he was going to be an average bench player at best.

abe_froman
03-13-2009, 05:01 PM
I don't know that he's ROY worthy, but he's been phenomenal, especially when people were saying he was going to be an average bench player at best.

no he's not,all rookie team though(first or 2nd).but he's been really good and hardly gets talked about as good.and count me as a fan

lakerboy
03-13-2009, 05:15 PM
John Hollinger, using his PER is claiming that Brooke Lopez should win the ROY.



So we're left in the odd situation where Rose is the consensus favorite to win, and Mayo is a strong favorite to come in second … even though at least two other players are clearly more qualified than both of them.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090313

PER is a joke. It's just a number, and doesn't tell anything. If Brooke Lopez is really the ROY, why can't he even lead Devin Harris and Vince Carter (both all stars) to the freaking playoffs?

superkegger
03-13-2009, 05:38 PM
John Hollinger, using his PER is claiming that Brooke Lopez should win the ROY.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090313

PER is a joke. It's just a number, and doesn't tell anything. If Brooke Lopez is really the ROY, why can't he even lead Devin Harris and Vince Carter (both all stars) to the freaking playoffs?

On that basis you can say any stats is just a number. By that mantra I can say Nicholas Batuum is the ROY. PER isn't the end all, but if you sit down and understand what it means, it's one good way to understand a players impact on the game.

theuuord
03-13-2009, 10:36 PM
John Hollinger, using his PER is claiming that Brooke Lopez should win the ROY.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090313

PER is a joke. It's just a number, and doesn't tell anything. If Brooke Lopez is really the ROY, why can't he even lead Devin Harris and Vince Carter (both all stars) to the freaking playoffs?

lol, PER isn't just a stat thrown at a dartboard. It's a serious statistical breakdown that accounts for information that has been proven to reflect winning, especially on the offensive end.

Is it perfect? Of course not. Like I just said it's biased towards offensive players, because accurately quantifying defense is nearly impossible statistically or not. But it's a pretty good overall model for deciding who is more efficient on the court. It's also not great for using across positions without adjustment, but still better than just using the basic stats with no context added.

And to answer your question, the Nets have two all-stars, Brook Lopez (a rookie center), and no one else. We have a decent bench and a lot of potential but as a team the Nets are still very young and developing. The Nets were projected by most before the season to be bottom 3 in the East because of this, and Lopez is a big reason why they're in the playoff hunt in the first place.

Chronz
03-14-2009, 03:26 AM
John Hollinger, using his PER is claiming that Brooke Lopez should win the ROY.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090313

PER is a joke. It's just a number, and doesn't tell anything. If Brooke Lopez is really the ROY, why can't he even lead Devin Harris and Vince Carter (both all stars) to the freaking playoffs?

Because of the rest of the team

theuuord
03-14-2009, 03:19 PM
Okay, so I've actually been really torn on this since the beginning of the season. I haven't put a vote into this poll yet because of that. Rose, Mayo, Westbrook, and Lopez are all deserving candidates, with Love and Gasol leading the back end.

But barring any drastic change between now and the end of the year, it's very clear to me that Brook Lopez deserves the Rookie of the Year Award.

And that's NOT my homerism talking (which, I'll freely admit, I have a ton of - my mancrush on Brook Lopez is well documented), but the actual record of how stunningly well he has performed as a rookie center - and how much better he's getting with every passing month.
He's currently shooting .657 from the field this month - and shot 60% from the field last month, too.
Those aren't all dunks, either - he's got a good offensive repertoire and a jumper that extends about 18 feet.

Barring any drastic change between now and the end of the season, expect my vote to go to Brook Lopez.
(and yours should too!)

lakers4sho
03-14-2009, 03:24 PM
IMO Brook Lopez deserves it, but the league's going to give it to the either Rose or Mayo, unless they suffer from some injury or severe breakdown.

Living Legend
03-14-2009, 04:36 PM
Eric Gordon is the ROY

Faneik
03-14-2009, 06:17 PM
Eric Gordon is the ROY

ok master

who's the mvp? most improved?

Chronz
03-15-2009, 12:55 AM
Eric Gordon is the ROY

As a Clippers fan, Ill have to disagree though hes definitely a first teamer

theuuord
03-15-2009, 01:20 AM
As a Clippers fan, Ill have to disagree though hes definitely a first teamer

Any other season he would for sure, but Mayo and Rose have the guard spots locked up this year.
Even if neither of them wins ROY, there's no way they get slipped to the 2nd team.

lakers4sho
03-15-2009, 01:22 AM
^^ I think he meant talent wise, not actually being on the "first team".

theuuord
03-15-2009, 01:46 AM
^^ I think he meant talent wise, not actually being on the "first team".

Even talent-wise, Gordon doesn't stand up next to those two. He's a great shooter but does little else outside of that. He's kind of like Mayo lite.

lakers4sho
03-15-2009, 01:49 AM
I guess :shrug:

But he's a Clipper fan, so he gets to see him play more than I do.

abe_froman
03-15-2009, 01:51 AM
As a Clippers fan, Ill have to disagree though hes definitely a first teamer

as a fan,no doubt that you do,but too many good guards this year and not enough spots.hell both mayo and westbrook look deserving for first team but one will have to slip to second(pissing many off),and gordon might not even make it on either,because of it

Chronz
03-15-2009, 02:01 AM
Any other season he would for sure, but Mayo and Rose have the guard spots locked up this year.
Even if neither of them wins ROY, there's no way they get slipped to the 2nd team.

as a fan,no doubt that you do,but too many good guards this year and not enough spots.hell both mayo and westbrook look deserving for first team but one will have to slip to second(pissing many off),and gordon might not even make it on either,because of it


Rookie teams arent restricted by positions like All-NBA teams are, theoretically EG, Mayo, Westbrook, Rose, Lopez can all make it, but Gasol might throw him out.

theuuord
03-15-2009, 02:15 AM
Rookie teams arent restricted by positions like All-NBA teams are, theoretically EG, Mayo, Westbrook, Rose, Lopez can all make it, but Gasol might throw him out.

are you sure about that? Because if you're right you may have a point, although they probably wouldn't want 4 guards on the team out of principle. Between those 4, Gordon would probably be the odd man out and either Gasol or Love (or hell, even Beasley for the fun of it) would be put in.

Chronz
03-15-2009, 02:40 AM
You may be right, the closest time its come down to a uni-position team was in 02-03, Gooden, Nene, Amare, and Butler were all forwards I believe and the 2nd team that year was comprised of Jay Williams, Brewer, Giricek, Manu with Boozer as the lone bigman. Though in 99 they did have nothing but perimeter players that was the year the only true centers were Kandi man and Doleac.

Ollie Tabooger
03-15-2009, 03:05 PM
Derrick Rose:D he is the only thing the Bulls really got going for them!

I disagree. I think the bulls have more going for them then most teams in the league. I see them being really good in a couple years. If they get a good frontcourt player like bosh or elton brand at the end of 09 or 2010, that will put them in the playoffs for sure. Also, with 3 young really good guards in kirk hinrich, derrick rose, and ben gordon, they could trade one of them (preferably hinrich in my opinion) and someone else (maybe brad miller) for another talented forward or big man. And in the upcoming draft, the bulls have two first round picks, which will help them alot if they pick the right players.

Chronz
03-16-2009, 05:36 PM
Top Rookies Seasons by the #'s


e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk T
6.8 Lopez,Brook NJN 30 .556 16.1 10.6 1.0 3.9 .7 2.2 2.3 27.0
6.6 Rose,Derrick Chi 37 .499 16.0 3.9 5.3 1.5 .9 2.6 .2 24.2
6.5 Mayo,O.J. Mem 38 .529 18.9 4.5 2.5 2.5 1.1 2.7 .2 23.8
6.4 Gasol,Marc Mem 31 .575 15.1 10.2 1.8 3.8 .9 2.3 1.3 26.1
6.2 Westbrook,Russel Okl 33 .493 16.9 5.8 4.7 2.7 1.5 3.8 .2 24.9

5.6 Love,Kevin Min 25 .524 14.0 13.3 1.3 3.7 .6 2.0 .9 27.1
4.8 Beasley,Michael Mia 24 .510 18.7 7.8 1.1 3.2 .7 2.3 .7 25.6
4.6 Gordon,Eric LAC 33 .582 17.8 2.9 2.4 2.5 1.2 2.2 .5 22.1
4.2 Oden,Greg Por 23 .584 16.4 13.5 1.0 6.3 .8 2.5 1.9 29.2
4.1 Chalmers,Mario Mia 32 .543 12.6 3.3 4.9 3.5 2.3 2.4 .1 21.2

3.5 Thompson,Jason Sac 27 .519 12.7 9.6 1.2 5.0 .7 2.4 .8 21.3
3.4 Augustin,D.J. Cha 27 .566 16.7 2.6 4.3 2.6 .7 2.2 .0 22.4
3.3 Fernandez,Rudy Por 26 .579 15.1 4.2 2.6 1.8 1.0 1.6 .2 21.5
2.9 Mbah_A_Moute,Luc Mil 26 .515 9.9 9.3 1.1 3.7 1.5 1.8 .8 20.1
3.0 Speights,Marrees Phl 15 .555 16.7 8.1 .7 4.6 .9 1.3 1.6 25.5

e82 per36 rates tm Min Eff% Sco Reb Ast PF Stl TO Blk T
2.2 Batum,Nicolas Por 18 .536 11.6 6.7 1.8 3.6 1.4 1.4 1.1 20.7
2.1 Anderson,Ryan NJN 19 .528 12.4 8.9 1.2 4.3 1.0 1.7 .5 21.6
2.0 Hibbert,Roy Ind 13 .520 15.7 8.0 1.4 7.5 .5 2.0 2.7 24.5
1.9 Mcgee,Javale Was 15 .519 12.6 9.0 .4 4.3 .8 1.6 2.1 21.9
1.9 Arthur,Darrell Mem 20 .453 9.7 9.2 .8 5.2 1.2 1.3 1.2 19.9

1.8 Hill,George SAS 18 .503 12.2 4.5 3.4 3.8 1.1 1.9 .6 19.6
1.6 Randolph,Anthony GSW 15 .488 12.5 10.2 1.0 4.3 1.1 2.8 2.4 22.6
1.4 Lee,Courtney Orl 24 .556 12.1 3.3 1.6 2.8 1.4 1.4 .3 17.1
1.3 Morrow,Anthony GSW 19 .549 12.9 4.6 1.1 2.6 .9 .8 .2 18.7
1.2 Koufos,Kosta Uta 12 .532 12.3 8.3 .9 3.8 .7 1.4 1.7 21.4

JordansBulls
03-16-2009, 06:49 PM
If the Bulls make the playoffs I believe Rose will get it.

Chronz
03-16-2009, 07:00 PM
If the Bulls make the playoffs I believe Rose will get it.
Thats how Amare won it over Yao a few years back

abe_froman
03-17-2009, 01:18 AM
If the Bulls make the playoffs I believe Rose will get it.

think he'll get it regardless

Punkindrublic03
03-17-2009, 01:23 AM
westbrook!

klvanzu
03-17-2009, 12:54 PM
*d-rose*

what54!?
03-17-2009, 01:04 PM
its still rose's award. To much hype around him. (well deserved hype though)

Faneik
03-19-2009, 09:58 AM
its still rose's award. To much hype around him. (well deserved hype though)

The only I can see Rose losing the award:

- Bulls, 8th seed, 32-37, fails to reach the playoffs

- Nets, 11th seed, 29-39 somehow reach the playoffs.

IF this happens, Lopez should win it.

patk1083
03-19-2009, 10:34 AM
Why is Derrick Rose in a different font in the poll from everyone elses? Are you trying mind tricks to get us to vote for him:)

and where is this so called different font??? Rose should definitely be the ROY...best stats overall...and helping team make push for playoffs...hopefully they get in.

ElMarroAfamado
03-19-2009, 02:45 PM
if eric gordon was getting as much Pt as some of these other rookies since the beggining of the season he would run away with it .....
in the end
rose
gordon
mayo

are going to be the best from that class and i dont think mayo is ever going to be great..

b_rad23
03-20-2009, 06:02 PM
if eric gordon was getting as much Pt as some of these other rookies since the beggining of the season he would run away with it .....
in the end
rose
gordon
mayo

are going to be the best from that class and i dont think mayo is ever going to be great..

Actually, his per minute stats and percentages aren't the greatest.

nouveauAG
03-20-2009, 11:51 PM
If the Bulls make the playoffs I believe Rose will get it.

I think he will get it regardless, but that will definitely help his case. Although I'm not sure he has to get there to win. Does anyone know if Melo made the playoffs the year LBJ won it?

abe_froman
03-21-2009, 01:40 AM
I think he will get it regardless, but that will definitely help his case. Although I'm not sure he has to get there to win. Does anyone know if Melo made the playoffs the year LBJ won it?

yes he did

Baller1
03-22-2009, 01:51 PM
if eric gordon was getting as much Pt as some of these other rookies since the beggining of the season he would run away with it .....
in the end
rose
gordon
mayo

are going to be the best from that class and i dont think mayo is ever going to be great..

Gordon isn't even a top 3 rookie guard this year.

Brother J
03-23-2009, 07:44 AM
Rose will win

sargon21
03-23-2009, 10:26 AM
Rose should win it

what54!?
03-23-2009, 12:45 PM
Gordon isn't even a top 3 rookie guard this year.
he's right. rose,westbrook, mayo. Gordon can shoot the ball though

josh-hamilton32
03-24-2009, 06:14 PM
gotta be mayo or rose

Sportfan
03-24-2009, 10:00 PM
Rose will get it because of all the hype he had and because he could lead his team into the playoffs. Mayo's been the best player this year

GSW_Soul
03-24-2009, 11:42 PM
For me I still think it will be Rose.

GSW_Soul
03-24-2009, 11:45 PM
But I also want Anthony Morrow to win..

ChitownbullsBG7
03-25-2009, 09:46 AM
Rose will get it because of all the hype he had and because he could lead his team into the playoffs. Mayo's been the best player this year

Not really. Oj's stats and Mayo's stats are very similiar. Also Mayo is looked upon to do alot more than Rose while Rose has a bunch of options on his team and he still can do what he does.

JordansBulls
03-25-2009, 05:34 PM
We were 33-49 last year, we are 34-38 now. We are already better than last year's record and we can possibly go 7-3 the rest of the way for a 41-41 record which would be an 8 game improvement over last year. We have 7 of our last 10 games at home. I already feel if we make the playoffs Rose will get ROY, but if we get 40 or 41 wins I will feel even more confident in him getting it.

Hawkeye15
03-25-2009, 05:56 PM
Rose will win it. Mayo has faded the second half of the season. Really, Rose, Westbrook, Love, and Lopez should be the favorites.

JordansBulls
03-25-2009, 07:24 PM
Rose will win it. Mayo has faded the second half of the season. Really, Rose, Westbrook, Love, and Lopez should be the favorites.

Yeah, I haven't heard much about Mayo in a while.

saritasbora
03-26-2009, 11:08 AM
I think everyone pretty much knows Rose is the ROY

Wrigleyboy25
03-26-2009, 02:02 PM
Hey this weeks PSD blog is about ROY. So you can debate the choices on the blog if you want:

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/blogs/the-rookie-race-26032009.html

JordansBulls
03-26-2009, 08:57 PM
Hey this weeks PSD blog is about ROY. So you can debate the choices on the blog if you want:

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/blogs/the-rookie-race-26032009.html

Debate will be closer than most think, but Rose should get it as long as Chicago makes the playoffs.

REALLYYYYY?
03-27-2009, 02:05 AM
my vote went to rose but it very nearly went to Luc Mbah a Moute for the name. plus i just wouldnt really be surprised if he sneaks up and steals it in the end

Ollie Tabooger
03-27-2009, 05:06 PM
my vote went to rose but it very nearly went to Luc Mbah a Moute for the name. plus i just wouldnt really be surprised if he sneaks up and steals it in the end

wow mbah a moute isnt even in the question. i dont know what your talking about.

Durant is hype
03-30-2009, 09:25 AM
Rose got it wrapped.

EX-TREME
03-30-2009, 09:40 AM
Rose got it wrapped.

yup

Bg7getclutch
03-30-2009, 10:21 AM
It has to be derrick rose. So many players talk about him in the league and even coaches say good stuff about him. They know the rookie of they year has to be derrick rose. Who votes?

vuile
04-02-2009, 03:33 AM
It has to be derrick rose. So many players talk about him in the league and even coaches say good stuff about him. They know the rookie of they year has to be derrick rose. Who votes?

totally - rose it is! http://www.photopile.info/img/c/8.gif

JordansBulls
04-03-2009, 11:12 PM
Rose and Love Rookies of the month for March.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/04/03/rookies.month/index.html




Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls

March. 6 vs. Milwaukee: Recorded a career-high 27 points to go with six rebounds and two steals, in a 117-102 win over the Bucks.

March 9 @ Miami: Tallied 23 points and nine rebounds in a 130-127 double-overtime loss to the Heat.

March 18 @ Oklahoma City: Registered 25 points, six rebounds and three assists in a 103-96 win over the Thunder.

March 31 @ Indiana: Posted 24 points in addition to a career-high 11 rebounds and six assists in a 107-105 loss to the Pacers.

Kevin Love, Minnesota Timberwolves

March 3 vs. Golden State: Recorded 18 points and had 14 rebounds in a 118-94 loss to the Warriors.

March 17 @ San Antonio: Scored 17 points and added 19 rebounds in a 93-86 loss to the Spurs.

March 18 @ New Orleans: Posted 23 points and 11 rebounds in the Timberwolves 94-93 loss to the Hornets.

March 31 vs. Dallas: Registered 23 points, 12 rebounds, and three assists in a 108-88 loss to the Mavericks.

Kakaroach
04-04-2009, 05:34 PM
Debate will be closer than most think, but Rose should get it as long as Chicago makes the playoffs. x2 But Lopez has given him a run for his money but the Nets won't make the playoffs, especially with that key loss today. Rose should get it.