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mark1125
01-02-2009, 12:58 PM
The good news is that Texas signed Derrick Turnbow thus ending our pursuit of the legendaryt reliever.

The bad news is that if we can't get someone like that, I am wondering when/if we are going to add a Saito, Cruz, Beimel, etc.

Throw me a bone DD. I am trying to be positive, but if I have another season of Rodney, Seay, and Lopez to look forward to, I will go crazy.

JackB
01-02-2009, 02:34 PM
I feel your pain. Don't forget Mr. Zumaya in that list. Maybe the other option is to strengthen our starters up during the off season. Have them throw 6-7-8 innings during spring training so they can all throw complete games all season ong . That way we can just by pass the bullpen.Hmmm. I seem to remember pitchers doing that anyway. They would pitch three or four times a week. No four or five man rotation. No righty lefty situation guys.No closers. It didn't seem to hurt them. In fact how many 250-300 plus game winners did we have? And they hit too. These guys are babies now. Can't throw over 190-200 innings or they are over worked.Oh I feel so bad for these millinare babies. Don't get me started.

mark1125
01-02-2009, 06:32 PM
I agree Jack. I have grown to hate baseballs obsession with pitch counts and the like. At this rate, will we ever see anymore 300 game winners?

I would love to be able to rely on Zumaya, but his 10 cent head will likely land him on thbe DL again.

Oh well......at least the will be no Turnbow in D-Town.

Moneytime27
01-02-2009, 06:56 PM
Have the Tigers front office gone on vacation since signing Matt Treanor ? havent heard anything from them in weeks

Sheffies Chef
01-02-2009, 07:23 PM
I feel your pain. Don't forget Mr. Zumaya in that list. Maybe the other option is to strengthen our starters up during the off season. Have them throw 6-7-8 innings during spring training so they can all throw complete games all season ong . That way we can just by pass the bullpen.Hmmm. I seem to remember pitchers doing that anyway. They would pitch three or four times a week. No four or five man rotation. No righty lefty situation guys.No closers. It didn't seem to hurt them. In fact how many 250-300 plus game winners did we have? And they hit too. These guys are babies now. Can't throw over 190-200 innings or they are over worked.Oh I feel so bad for these millinare babies. Don't get me started.

Very, very, very great post Jack!

mark1125
01-02-2009, 09:34 PM
Kids don't play catch anymore. When I was a kid, my friends would come over and we would play catch for hours. I don't think it's done anymore. Then they are babied with pitch counts and such.

Nowadays, we soil ourselves with delight if we get 7 solid innings from someone.

Bondomania
01-03-2009, 11:58 AM
good news is you won't have to worry about seeing Lopez this year... he was non-tendered.. hahahaha, other than that i think we are looking at pretty much the same BP we had last year, with maybe a young guy coming up fromt he minors to contribute

Rodney Stuckey
01-03-2009, 04:15 PM
Yeah Lopez sucked. Hopefully We sign somebody or at least we get something outta zumya other than walks!

mark1125
01-03-2009, 07:57 PM
I can't imagine that Saito and/or Cruz would break the bank.

Maybe Rodney bought off Leyland and DD again for an important role in the pen.

If they go with the same pen and it flounders again, I am all for sweeping Leyland and DD right out of town. It is horrible.

drewstantontime
01-04-2009, 12:27 AM
ya kids dont play catch anymore, now they play video games all day and pretend to be athletic

mark1125
01-04-2009, 01:14 AM
It's funny how much times have changed in baseball. I just ordered the 1984 strat o matic game. I was looking over stats, and Willie Hernandez.....the CLOSER, pitched 130 innings. Aurilo Lopez pitched over 140. Hell.....they pitched more innings than many #4 and 5 starters.

babygranderson
01-04-2009, 10:40 AM
I feel your pain. Don't forget Mr. Zumaya in that list. Maybe the other option is to strengthen our starters up during the off season. Have them throw 6-7-8 innings during spring training so they can all throw complete games all season ong . That way we can just by pass the bullpen.Hmmm. I seem to remember pitchers doing that anyway. They would pitch three or four times a week. No four or five man rotation. No righty lefty situation guys.No closers. It didn't seem to hurt them. In fact how many 250-300 plus game winners did we have? And they hit too. These guys are babies now. Can't throw over 190-200 innings or they are over worked.Oh I feel so bad for these millinare babies. Don't get me started.

I agree with this post overall, but I don't think it is JUST pampered millionaires and lazy kids who should shoulder the bulk of the blame for this problem. Mlb needs to take a long look in the mirror on this one. In my opinion, around 92,93,-1994 ish, when other sports started really overtaking baseball, a clear effort was made to "make the game more exciting." This meant "more offense." Not only did the guys juice it up more, but umpires SHRANK THE STRIKE ZONE.

That's why games take as long as they do. Hitters can go up there and just look for the perfect pitch and tee off. If any of you subscribe to mlb.com or have the new network, watch some complete games (not just hi-lights) and watch umps give pitchers a little off the black and the bottom part of the strike zone is at least 3-4 inches lower than today, and the top is probably even more. The games moved quicker and pitchers tended to challenge hitters more (in my opinion). Mlb went for the offense = better viewing philosophy, and I think the game took a significant step back. Watching pitcher's duels and teams using "small ball" (and playing stronger D) is FUN to watch, more than today's version.

It would be interesting to me to see what today's average pitch count is for today's starters vs. that of maybe a starter from 1987.

I really think today's pitchers have as good or better "stuff," but to most fans, we'll never get to notice it. SP's will have a 4.50 ERA now and hit a reasonable pitch count (100-120) by the 5th or 6th innings now due to Ump's "diming" the zone - with the extra walks and tee shots killing their stats.

I think good starters of today, like Roy Halladay, deserve huge props and would've been even better 20 years ago. I think Greg Maddux may be the best pitcher I will ever see in my lifetime. He pitched his whole career in this "era" and his numbers are still unreal.

RicoSteel
01-04-2009, 05:22 PM
good news is you won't have to worry about seeing Lopez this year... he was non-tendered.. hahahaha, other than that i think we are looking at pretty much the same BP we had last year, with maybe a young guy coming up fromt he minors to contribute

Then you are looking at a team that will be 8 games out by the break. I cannot believe we have done nothing to address the pen. Unbelievable. :clap:

grizzly21
01-05-2009, 11:37 AM
i think when the lions fired millen he walked across the street and became the tigers advisor. this is how the talk would go, "hey everyone i have an idea...lets not address anything we needed to, and play for a high first round pick. then we to draft a wide reciever to catch all the balls that our bullpen will be watching leave the yard. Brilliant!"

RicoSteel
01-05-2009, 03:45 PM
Promising news on Tigers.com.....

Apparently over the next few weeks we may get busy in the reliever market. Hoffman, Saito, Lyon, and Isringhausen mentioned. Also discussed Joe Beimol in the article. As long as they are not relying on Rodney and Zumaya I am cool with whoever they bring in.

mark1125
01-05-2009, 04:14 PM
Promising news on Tigers.com.....

Apparently over the next few weeks we may get busy in the reliever market. Hoffman, Saito, Lyon, and Isringhausen mentioned. Also discussed Joe Beimol in the article. As long as they are not relying on Rodney and Zumaya I am cool with whoever they bring in.

Yes on Saito. I think he is worth a gamble. Lyon would be OK as well.

Not sure about Hoffman or Izzy, but would be worth looking into. No mention of Cruz? That suprises me a bit. He has had some solid seasons and can go more than an inning.

RicoSteel
01-07-2009, 09:13 AM
Our big signing....Alexis Gomez is back!!! Whooooooooo

JMDTM
01-07-2009, 09:51 AM
Promising news on Tigers.com.....

Apparently over the next few weeks we may get busy in the reliever market. Hoffman, Saito, Lyon, and Isringhausen mentioned. Also discussed Joe Beimol in the article. As long as they are not relying on Rodney and Zumaya I am cool with whoever they bring in.

thats a great post haha good to know

Bondomania
01-07-2009, 11:54 AM
i would like to take a 1 year flier on Saito... sign him call it an offseason, haha.. That allows some of the young closers we have in the minors to get 1 more year of experience, and if Saito gets hurt then at least those kids will have started the season in the minors and got that crucial experience. We have enough lefty specialists that i am not concerned with getting Beimel. Cruz wouldn't be bad to go after either.

BP
CL - Saito
SU - Rodney
SU - Zoom/Cruz/Fien
MR - Dolsi
LS - Seay
LS - Rapada
MR - Miner

RicoSteel
01-07-2009, 02:19 PM
Not banking on Rapada. He started to falter before he was sent down, and then got hit pretty hard in Toledo.

Bondomania
01-07-2009, 05:20 PM
I forgot, we drafted Kyle Bloom in the rule 5 draft.. most likely becomes the lefty specialist.. either that or we have to give him back