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HipSlappyJoe
12-26-2008, 08:54 PM
Name some of the best players on your team people nationally no one really knows

Mine?

Jayson Werth RF- A former number one pick, Jayson Werth is incredibly underrated. With an OPS over nearly 1.000 and a UZR rating that puts him 5th overall in the MLB in fielding amoungst OFs, Werth is incredibly valuable when he is in the lineup. He hit the most HRs off of left handed pitching in the bigs (more than Arod, Pujols, Howard) and stole 20 bases.

tonercharmer
12-26-2008, 08:56 PM
isnt Werth a Dodger ??? oh no coletti let his *** go Damn!

Sportfan
12-26-2008, 08:57 PM
Kevin Youkilis: no one really knew who the heck this guy was until mid 08. I guess that counts

viktor06
12-26-2008, 09:12 PM
Werth is even underappreciated in Philly, look at the amount of playing time he gets. He should play 160 games per year

Sportfan
12-26-2008, 09:13 PM
not on my team but Mike Aviles should defiantly be on the list

NYYankeesWin#27
12-26-2008, 09:13 PM
4 the yanks- xavier nady or jose veras

but the biggest would be jair jurjjens 4 the braves

viktor06
12-26-2008, 09:14 PM
I would add Jerry and Scott Hairston, Willy Aybar, Marco Scutaro, Mark Ellis, David DeJesus, Cody Ross, Joey Votto, Randy Winn

LBCgiantsfan
12-26-2008, 09:21 PM
Scutaro is a good one, and on my team i'm going with Randy Winn

belliard is god
12-26-2008, 09:27 PM
chris davis....BEAST!!!

Matt-the-great
12-26-2008, 09:29 PM
-Paul Maholm
-Mike Aviles
-Joey Votto
-Aaron Hill
-Justin Duchsherer
-Mike Napoli
-Jose Lopez
-Elijah Dukes

...there are definetely more...but thats all i can think of now....really under-appreciated dudes

sacgiants1213
12-26-2008, 09:33 PM
not on my team but Mike Aviles should defiantly be on the list

took the words right out of my mouth. aviles is such a sick player. good thing kc found this kid cuz pena is pretty much a failure.

as for the giants i'd go with randy winn and sergio romo (very good relief pitcher).

BALLER71
12-26-2008, 09:37 PM
Yup Mike Aviles. From the Marlins (he's now a Tampa Bay Ray) it would be Joe Nelson. Appeared in 59 games, has a 2.00 ERA. Very nice looking delivery also.

B-Balz
12-26-2008, 09:43 PM
Aubrey Huff for the O's

sacgiants1213
12-26-2008, 09:46 PM
another good one is nate mclouth of the pirates. he was supposed to break out last year, and damn did he ever. only 6 rbi's short of 100 and he finished in the 20/20 club last year... all star.

Flamarlins21
12-26-2008, 09:47 PM
Huff is a pretty big time player, dunno if he fits but anyway, I'd probably say Alfredo Amezaga. He is extremely valuable to the Marlins. Even though he doesn't start, he's a hell of a utility player at any position. He has a sick glove and seems to be clutch when someone needs it.

Zaunnie
12-26-2008, 09:50 PM
Shaun Marcum

Sabres39
12-26-2008, 10:11 PM
Nick Markakis. He is my favorite non-Yankees player, and he is just a ****ing beast.

THE_FLASH_21
12-26-2008, 10:16 PM
Jair Jurrjens and Tommy Hanson..

Joba Rules!!
12-26-2008, 10:16 PM
I think Zack Greinke is a little under appreciated.

Joe Nathan gets no love...Soria doesn't either for the type of pitcher he is.

dodgernation
12-26-2008, 10:18 PM
^ oh yeah Joe Nathan is the best closer in baseball IMO. for the dodgers i have to say corey wade

belliard is god
12-26-2008, 10:20 PM
Jair Jurrjens and Tommy Hanson..

he never even threw a major league pitch...

chicagofan71
12-26-2008, 10:25 PM
Huff is a pretty big time player, dunno if he fits but anyway, I'd probably say Alfredo Amezaga. He is extremely valuable to the Marlins. Even though he doesn't start, he's a hell of a utility player at any position. He has a sick glove and seems to be clutch when someone needs it.

By god no. The highest OPS he's ever put up is a 667 in 2006. and you wanna talk about clutch? How about a -9.7 rating in 2006 and a 2.3 in 2007. Yeah, about that....

chicagofan71
12-26-2008, 10:26 PM
4 the yanks- xavier nady or jose veras

but the biggest would be jair jurjjens 4 the braves

you really think that people haven't heard of Nady?

Not to mention he significantly dropped off in the 2nd half of the year with NYY

zzConflict
12-26-2008, 10:40 PM
From the White Sox I guess it would be Johhny Danks, he was great this year but due to inept offensive support he didn't build up the lofty win total required to get his due attention on the national front.

Flamarlins21
12-26-2008, 11:01 PM
By god no. The highest OPS he's ever put up is a 667 in 2006. and you wanna talk about clutch? How about a -9.7 rating in 2006 and a 2.3 in 2007. Yeah, about that....

I didn't mean he was GREAT I just meant that a lot of people know him for what he does...

dodgerzfan44
12-26-2008, 11:15 PM
^ oh yeah Joe Nathan is the best closer in baseball IMO. for the dodgers i have to say corey wade
I was going to say wade, also Andre Ethier.

dodgerzfan44
12-26-2008, 11:17 PM
Even tho this is not the topic,
worst player everyone has heard of: Andruw Jones

thegreatone08
12-26-2008, 11:37 PM
I've heard of all these players. If you put a name on here..how can they be the best player you have never heard off? Something don't add up..

CHRISDODGERS
12-26-2008, 11:49 PM
Cory Wade is a good one...

So is Nate McLouth... just a stud...:)

Statik1
12-26-2008, 11:56 PM
Cory Wade is a good one...

So is Nate McLouth... just a stud...:)

All in favor say I


/me "I"

redwhitenblue
12-26-2008, 11:57 PM
Name some of the best players on your team people nationally no one really knows

Mine?

Jayson Werth RF- A former number one pick, Jayson Werth is incredibly underrated. With an OPS over nearly 1.000 and a UZR rating that puts him 5th overall in the MLB in fielding amoungst OFs, Werth is incredibly valuable when he is in the lineup. He hit the most HRs off of left handed pitching in the bigs (more than Arod, Pujols, Howard) and stole 20 bases.
Werth's near 1.000 OPS was .861...what the hell are you talking about?
And he's simply bad vs RHP, he's basically like so many LHH's who can't touch LHP but kill RHP, except this time the hand he can't hit well is the one most of the league throws with.

PS...UZR is majorly flawed.

X-Plicit
12-26-2008, 11:59 PM
holy **** i never knew he was a number one pick

EAGLES3658
12-27-2008, 12:03 AM
On the Yankees......Brian Bruney and Jose Veras are both very good but i dont hear them getting talked about much.

and another is A-rod not many people have heard of him but he is very good

dodgernation
12-27-2008, 12:17 AM
Cory Wade is a good one...

So is Nate McLouth... just a stud...:)

my fantasy stud. go pirates;)

DJYankee
12-27-2008, 01:04 AM
from the yankees it has to be jose veras this guy stuff is nasty. Outside the yankees i will say todd helton

UofA
12-27-2008, 01:04 AM
I've heard of all these players. If you put a name on here..how can they be the best player you have never heard off? Something don't add up..

Most people in this forum will have heard of almost all of these players, it's more who do you think to the casual fan is unknown but very good

stevec6
12-27-2008, 01:15 AM
arod, pujols, manny, johan, cc, lincecum, griffey

PhillyLuver
12-27-2008, 01:24 AM
John Mcdonald is pretty good, slick fielder

ugadawgsfan17
12-27-2008, 02:12 AM
Omar Infante, he's so versatile

bronxbombers427
12-27-2008, 02:22 AM
Micheal Young is soooooooo clutch

oliperez
12-27-2008, 02:27 AM
PS...UZR is majorly flawed.
Why?

CY24
12-27-2008, 02:50 AM
Chris Snyder

JHG722
12-27-2008, 03:10 AM
Greg Dobbs
Ryan Madson
Chad Durbin
Ryan Freel
Brian Roberts
Luke Scott
Ramon Ramirez
Conor Jackson
Max Scherzer
Jon Rauch
Chad Qualls
Rafael Soriano
Kelly Johnson
Martin Prado
Yunel Escobar
Ryan The Riot :)
Matt Thornton
Rafael Betancourt
Jensen Lewis
Ryan Garko
Ben Francisco
Taylor Buchholz :)
Joakim Soria
Billy Butler
Jason Kubel
Nick Blackburn
Glen Perkins
Scott Baker
Kevin Slowey
Michael Cuddyer
Joey Devine
Brad Ziegler
Matt Capps
Paul Maholm
Ryan Doumit
Adam Laroche
Jack Wilson
Brandon Morrow
Matt Joyce
Jesse Litsch
Dustin McGowan
Scott Downs
Jason Frasor
Brandon League
Brian Tallet
John Hanrahan
John Lannan

Lemme know how I did.

Seamhead
12-27-2008, 03:41 AM
PS...UZR is majorly flawed.

What's the major flaw? (That was a serious question. Not a snotty question. If it were like MVP07patburrell, then I'm sure he'd make up a flaw. But it's you, so I'm sure you know of a real flaw)

LeBrowns
12-27-2008, 03:46 AM
Steven Louis Dalkowski (born June 3, 1939 in New Britain, Connecticut[1]) is a retired left-handed pitcher in minor league baseball. He is sometimes called the fastest pitcher in baseball history and had a fastball that may have exceeded 100 MPH. Some experts believe it went as fast as 110 MPH, others that his pitches travelled at 105 MPH or less.[2] The Guinness World Records records the fastest pitch ever as 100.9 MPH by Nolan Ryan.[3] As no radar gun or other device was available to measure the speed of his pitches precisely, the actual top speed of his pitches remains unknown. Regardless of its actual speed, his fastball earned him the nickname "White Lightning".[4]

Gigantes4Life
12-27-2008, 03:53 AM
Werth's near 1.000 OPS was .861...what the hell are you talking about?
And he's simply bad vs RHP, he's basically like so many LHH's who can't touch LHP but kill RHP, except this time the hand he can't hit well is the one most of the league throws with.

PS...UZR is majorly flawed.

Why do you think so? I know defense is the hardest thing to judge, so every defensive metric we have will be flawed. But UZR is probably the best. Do you have another reason?

HipSlappyJoe
12-27-2008, 01:17 PM
Werth's near 1.000 OPS was .861...what the hell are you talking about?
And he's simply bad vs RHP, he's basically like so many LHH's who can't touch LHP but kill RHP, except this time the hand he can't hit well is the one most of the league throws with.

PS...UZR is majorly flawed.

Oops I looked at his 2007 stats. Still pretty good. The much ballyhooed burrell was worse against lefties, plus is a god awful fielder and base runner.


The only thing Werth cant do is hit righties, but kills lefties and is great with his fielding and base running

yaowowrocket11
12-27-2008, 01:27 PM
Ryan Spilbourgs

Bob Loblaw
12-27-2008, 01:31 PM
Scott Downs

wildcat13
12-27-2008, 01:49 PM
three of the aforementioned spend parts of every season injured:

xavier nady
jason werth
brian bruney

great alex rodgrigez comment; never to heard of in the clutch and especially in the postseason, if the yankees can get past the red sox or the rays. rodriguez is ahead of only sammi sosa as the least-clutch clutch player. its easy to succeed against meatball pitchers, winning is tertiary.

SeoulBeatz
12-27-2008, 02:14 PM
Cole Hamels

ruckus16969
12-27-2008, 02:55 PM
Pokey Reese I wonder what ever happened to this dude

djeller1139
12-27-2008, 03:12 PM
Mark Ellis

beast montero
12-27-2008, 03:15 PM
andre eithier, votto, dejesus, and jurjens

brandonwarne52
12-27-2008, 03:17 PM
Kevin Youkilis: no one really knew who the heck this guy was until mid 08. I guess that counts

LMFAO no.

Scott Baker
Kevin Slowey

GA16Angels
12-27-2008, 03:20 PM
Angels: Joe Saunders

PERFEKT_KNL
12-27-2008, 03:23 PM
isnt Werth a Dodger ??? oh no coletti let his *** go Damn!

Jason Werth was tagged and heckled by Dodger fans as Werthless when he donned Dodger blue. Look up his numbers and the amount of time he spent on the DL. He worked out for the Phils, good for them. As for his place in Dodger history? > :horse:

GO DODGERS!!!

PERFEKT_KNL
12-27-2008, 03:28 PM
andre eithier, votto, dejesus, and jurjens

Huh? Who?

Hasn't only Ethier played a full season in the bigs?

The remaining three would be called "prospects."

B.G.B
12-27-2008, 03:31 PM
James Loney-Dodgers

He is an RBI Machine and this was his first full season playing. Not to mention he did had that Grand Slam in the NLCS againt the Cubs

sep11ie
12-27-2008, 03:37 PM
Werth is even underappreciated in Philly, look at the amount of playing time he gets. He should play 160 games per year


Couldn't you give him the extra 2 games?

SmoothOperator
12-27-2008, 03:51 PM
Jays:

Top players on my team that nobody knows of are probably Brandon League and Joe Inglett. League has an amazing arm, I repeat amazing out of the pen. Inglett is a guy who was a career minor leaguer, but has showed quite a bit of flair and clutchness over the last year. I would also say Scutaro, but I think he is better known having been on the A's as a starting SS during a big playoff run.

soxtu22
12-27-2008, 05:02 PM
Huff is a veteran and everyone knows who he is...Why would you even mention him? Mind as well throw Cliff Floyd in that mix if that's the case ..LOL. Mine would be my beloved Carlos Quentin, would have won MVP but he broke his wrist..such a heartbreaker. Second on my list would be Nate Mcclouth, Third is Alexei Ramirez. Runner up rookie of the year :) And let's not forget Nick Markakis....can hit lights out and has a cannon for an arm. :)

soxtu22
12-27-2008, 05:07 PM
And let's not forget Denard Span. He's one hell of a player...

Kyle man
12-27-2008, 05:19 PM
I'm suprised nobody has said this yet, but Ryan Ludwick.

.299BA/37HR/113RBI

that deserves some recognition even the unsung hero thread.

mnrlgry
12-27-2008, 05:20 PM
Even tho this is not the topic,
worst player everyone has heard of: Andruw Jones

LOL, it's the truth


How about


Most overpaid: Barry Zito

Twinke Masta
12-27-2008, 05:50 PM
Luis Casti..


oh wait

MJRiley26
12-27-2008, 06:12 PM
Ervin Santana
Brad Hawpe
Kevin Kouzmanoff

Zmaster52
12-27-2008, 07:07 PM
Nick Markakis-Justin Ducheser-Nate McLouth and chris Davis

Gigantes4Life
12-27-2008, 07:24 PM
Huh? Who?

Hasn't only Ethier played a full season in the bigs?

The remaining three would be called "prospects."

Votto, Dejesus and Jurrjens are not prospects, or even rookies for that matter.

beckeramos
12-27-2008, 07:28 PM
Hmm. Best players I never heard of? Can't say that I can name them considering I don't know them.

Gigantes4Life
12-27-2008, 08:04 PM
That's not what he said, it's best players people probably have never heard of. Read the thread.

Brendan
12-27-2008, 08:13 PM
Jeremy Guthrie. Most underrated pitcher in the majors

jk423
12-27-2008, 08:26 PM
Zack greinke

roggydog
12-27-2008, 08:36 PM
fred lewis randy winn manny buriss pablo sandoval

Ufarted12
12-27-2008, 08:46 PM
Kevin Kouzmanoff, Jody Gerut, chase headley and mike adams from the Padres

earias
12-27-2008, 09:05 PM
well i dont know haven't heard of of the player yet

JHG722
12-27-2008, 09:07 PM
Jeremy Guthrie. Most underrated pitcher in the majors

No, that's either Greinke or Halladay, depending on your perspective.

Gigantes4Life
12-27-2008, 09:20 PM
Or Lowe.

whitesoxfan83
12-27-2008, 09:34 PM
mark buehrle is the most underrated pitcher in baseball, 8 seasons as a starter 6 with an ERA under 4, never had a season with an ERA over 5 (altho he came close in 06, but after racking up so many innings in 05 thru the regular and post season i cant blame him for that bad year)

has also had among the worst run support in baseball since he became a starter, if even half his ND were wins he'd be at 150 wins before the age of 30, plus he is the most durable pitcher in baseball. (look at the amount of IP every year this guy goes thru)

all this in arguably the hardest pitchers park in baseball...

this guy is completly underrated.

Gigantes4Life
12-27-2008, 09:38 PM
He got a huge contract, I think people know about him.

dasam12
12-27-2008, 09:41 PM
I'm a Mets fan I dont really think there are any Mets that can fly under the radar.
I however agree that Jason Werth is one heck of a player.
Hey Hipslappy. How about we give you Castillo for Werth

beckeramos
12-27-2008, 09:58 PM
That's not what he said, it's best players people probably have never heard of. Read the thread.

Settle down ********. Get a sense of humor.

CHRISDODGERS
12-27-2008, 10:02 PM
I think Halladay is pretty underrated... he could be mentioned...

Sportfan
12-27-2008, 10:18 PM
it's not underrated, it's players you never heard of.

whitesoxfan83
12-27-2008, 11:04 PM
it's not underrated, it's players you never heard of.

then why is youk and werth being mentioned? if we want to play the never heard of this guy game then id go with kevin slowey, the guy's control is maddux esq and if his minor league numbers are a sign of things to come this guy is only going to get better.

and i still dont think anyone has heard of mark buerhle (yes i know they have but my point is he is underrated because no one pays attention to him, and no one pays attention to him because no one really knows dick about him outside of chicago)

JDIsMyGod23
12-27-2008, 11:07 PM
You got me on the Slowey bandwagon. I agree.

HipSlappyJoe
12-27-2008, 11:25 PM
I'm a Mets fan I dont really think there are any Mets that can fly under the radar.
I however agree that Jason Werth is one heck of a player.
Hey Hipslappy. How about we give you Castillo for Werth

throw in wright and you got a deal

thefens
12-27-2008, 11:42 PM
Two closers who get almost no love given how good they are:
-Joe Nathan (best closer in MLB)
-Joakim Soria (unbelievable closer on an unbelievably bad team)

-Mike Aviles is great

-Jason Werth rakes

-Sergio Romo is great

One of my personal favorites = Fernando Perez (TAM)

Zaunnie
12-28-2008, 12:15 AM
An honorable mention would be Jesse Carlson (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8218)

CHRISDODGERS
12-28-2008, 12:17 AM
it's not underrated, it's players you never heard of.

But I've heard of all these guys...:confused:

mikeman0000
12-28-2008, 12:55 AM
Brian Buscher

shane333t
12-28-2008, 01:16 AM
Well as of beginning of last year Ryan Ludwick and Rick Ankiel and Kyle Louse.

Twitchy
12-28-2008, 01:45 AM
RP Ramon Troncoso, LA Dodgers. 118 tRA, a 3.17 K:BB ratio, and a 60% GB ratio. I figure he'll be a breakout candidate for 2009. Reminds me a lot of Brandon League of the Jays.

Gigantes4Life
12-28-2008, 04:02 AM
RP Ramon Troncoso, LA Dodgers. 118 tRA, a 3.17 K:BB ratio, and a 60% GB ratio. I figure he'll be a breakout candidate for 2009. Reminds me a lot of Brandon League of the Jays.

I gotta admit Twitch, a 118 tRA doesn't sound very good. That's a lot of runs to be giving up :p

x_notorious
12-28-2008, 04:05 AM
Chris Davis

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29170

Stud.

Gigantes4Life
12-28-2008, 04:06 AM
I think most people know who Chris Davis is by now.

Twitchy
12-28-2008, 11:24 AM
I gotta admit Twitch, a 118 tRA doesn't sound very good. That's a lot of runs to be giving up :p

That just happens to be the same tRA as Affeldt, who's another crappy pitcher ;).

Capital G
12-28-2008, 03:51 PM
on the chisox danks. on the rays price (but not for long).

Gigantes4Life
12-28-2008, 04:46 PM
That just happens to be the same tRA as Affeldt, who's another crappy pitcher ;).

Not really. Affeldt has a 118 tRA+, not a 118 tRA :p

Joemoes
12-28-2008, 04:48 PM
Ibanez

Tekmosis
12-28-2008, 04:52 PM
Aubrey Huff, Prince Fielder in 07

Twitchy
12-28-2008, 05:13 PM
Not really. Affeldt has a 118 tRA+, not a 118 tRA :p

Wouldn't it be a shame if Guillen just happened to find himself released?

Vijay248
12-28-2008, 05:28 PM
josh johnson sp for marlins and cody ross

Gigantes4Life
12-28-2008, 06:19 PM
Wouldn't it be a shame if Guillen just happened to find himself released?

Not really, because then you'd be caught.

ugadawgsfan17
12-28-2008, 06:27 PM
on the chisox danks. on the rays price (but not for long).

Price has been overpublicized since the WS

THE_FLASH_21
12-29-2008, 10:19 PM
he never even threw a major league pitch...

Well i'm talking about him from all the prospects... He put up simular numbers to David Price last year... he's ranked so low, after the MVP, and the SO's and no hitter....:mad:

The A Team
12-29-2008, 11:25 PM
Kevin Youkilis: no one really knew who the heck this guy was until mid 08. I guess that counts

Unless you happened to read Moneyball, in which case you're like me and almost disappointed...

bagwell368
12-29-2008, 11:39 PM
Current? Nah... Past.

Jim Wynn, Reggie Smith, Rico Carty, Bill Freehan, Bob Alison, Don Mincher, Sixto Lezcano, Ron Fairly, Ken Boyer, Curt Blefary, Tony Philips

bagwell368
12-29-2008, 11:43 PM
Unless you happened to read Moneyball, in which case you're like me and almost disappointed...

A guy with a 143 OPS+ last year that had he not missed some games in the second half and got 6-8 more hits would have won the MVP? That guy?

8.1 RC/G ? 120 RC? Played stellar D at 1B and 3B?

Yeah, he blows....

J$mo0th_3o5
12-29-2008, 11:50 PM
Denard Span....

Lord Byron 34
12-30-2008, 12:06 AM
obviously he is a big name, but Roy Halladay doesn't get much love. Year in year out he is consistently one of the best in baseball but no one talks about him.

I also think Adrian Gonzalez and Brian Giles are underrated because their HR numbers suffer in petco.

Another similar question: which players are talked about as underrated so often that they become overrated? My nominations: Jason Bartlett, Mike Lowell (even though he is one of my favorites), Chone Figgins, Derek Lowe

The A Team
12-30-2008, 12:30 AM
A guy with a 143 OPS+ last year that had he not missed some games in the second half and got 6-8 more hits would have won the MVP? That guy?

8.1 RC/G ? 120 RC? Played stellar D at 1B and 3B?

Yeah, he blows....

I see you didn't take my point...must have lost something in translation. What I was getting at is that if you read Moneyball then Youkilis is far from some "player you never heard of." He was some kind of mythical fairy god beast of OBP before he even made an impact in the big Show.

The A Team
12-30-2008, 12:34 AM
obviously he is a big name, but Roy Halladay doesn't get much love. Year in year out he is consistently one of the best in baseball but no one talks about him.

I also think Adrian Gonzalez and Brian Giles are underrated because their HR numbers suffer in petco.

Another similar question: which players are talked about as underrated so often that they become overrated? My nominations: Jason Bartlett, Mike Lowell (even though he is one of my favorites), Chone Figgins, Derek Lowe

Chone Figgins is crap. He's a great 10th fielder to have because he can legitimately play everywhere, but I've found him overrated for pretty much the bulk of his career. '07 was the only season he was legitimately better than average.

Panzer133
12-30-2008, 12:44 AM
Joe Inglett and Marco Scutoro. Helped the Jays get out of some trouble last year.

The A Team
12-30-2008, 01:07 AM
****ing Inglett wouldn't get out against the Phillies last year. He's a goddamned scrub and we couldn't get the ****er back to his seat on the pine. He reminded me of Mark Lemke. Thank god Inglett isn't in our division. I hate watching bad players rake against the Phils.

Adalbjorg
12-30-2008, 01:52 AM
Name some of the best players on your team people nationally no one really knows

Mine?

Jayson Werth RF- A former number one pick, Jayson Werth is incredibly underrated. With an OPS over nearly 1.000 and a UZR rating that puts him 5th overall in the MLB in fielding amoungst OFs, Werth is incredibly valuable when he is in the lineup. He hit the most HRs off of left handed pitching in the bigs (more than Arod, Pujols, Howard) and stole 20 bases.

I'm pretty sure anyone who follows baseball has heard of Jason Werth.

eztmac1
12-30-2008, 02:05 AM
Rick Sturges
Gerald Thompson
Lamar Snow

eztmac1
12-30-2008, 02:42 AM
Oops... Also forgot
Poopshoot McCoy
Coites McLoven

CHRISDODGERS
12-30-2008, 02:59 AM
Oops... Also forgot
Poopshoot McCoy
Coites McLoven

:laugh2:

nrvana
12-30-2008, 03:08 AM
david murphy
nelson cruz

brandonwarne52
12-30-2008, 05:00 AM
obviously he is a big name, but Roy Halladay doesn't get much love. Year in year out he is consistently one of the best in baseball but no one talks about him.

I also think Adrian Gonzalez and Brian Giles are underrated because their HR numbers suffer in petco.

Another similar question: which players are talked about as underrated so often that they become overrated? My nominations: Jason Bartlett, Mike Lowell (even though he is one of my favorites), Chone Figgins, Derek Lowe

Bartlett's been a stud defender for years, but offensively he's a zero. It's funny though, because casual Twins fans (read: 99.9% of Twins fans) *****ed about how many 'errors' he made. Well no ****, the guy has range like a mofo, he's gonna miss a few here and there. He's an incredible defensive SS, though.

Buckwheat
12-30-2008, 07:32 AM
Me.

Matt-the-great
12-30-2008, 07:43 AM
i was a big Figgins fan..but now i do think he is a bit over-rated....good lead-off bat.....but no SLG ability....and you dont want that lack of power playing 3b or lf where he is generally placed....

Werth is under-rated.
the Minnisota Twins organization is under-rated (especially Span and even Nathan)

BLOMETSFAN
12-30-2008, 07:57 AM
No one from the Mets ever goes under the radar. Jose Lopez from the M's has a really good year this year and I think the casual fan prolly wouldnt know him because his name isnt Ichiro.

Buckwheat
12-30-2008, 08:12 AM
No one from the Mets ever goes under the radar. Jose Lopez from the M's has a really good year this year and I think the casual fan prolly wouldnt know him because his name isnt Ichiro.

Or Mr. Overrated: Felix Hernandez

eztmac1
12-31-2008, 03:23 AM
david murphy
nelson cruz
For one sir, I have heard of both David Murphy and Nelson Cruz... both future HOF in my book. You should not have even responded to this post with such crap, in fact, Ken Lay did a better job of running Enron than you did responding to this post. You suck.

good spliff
12-31-2008, 04:28 AM
Scott Hatteberg. In OAK he had some impressive OBP numbers.

beldugo
01-04-2009, 07:29 PM
i would say angels second baseman...howie kendrick

infernoscurse
01-04-2009, 08:15 PM
Scott Baker
Kevin Slowley
Nick Blackburn
Glen Perkins


from my team
i dont think there is one since our team usualy has high star players

R. Johnson#3
01-04-2009, 09:16 PM
-Paul Maholm
-Mike Aviles
-Joey Votto
-Aaron Hill
-Justin Duchsherer
-Mike Napoli
-Jose Lopez
-Elijah Dukes

...there are definetely more...but thats all i can think of now....really under-appreciated dudes

The entire city is on Aaron Hill's dick and he got hurt this year! He was getting appareciation outside of Toronto as well.

R. Johnson#3
01-04-2009, 09:19 PM
Joe Inglett

Sticks a big wad in his lower lip and grinds out every play. He actually produced too. Too bad he'll be coming off the bench this season.

infernoscurse
01-05-2009, 01:38 AM
i like aaron hill i even think he has more potential than robinson cano


pd: to add to the topic

Armando Galarraga

Kyle916
01-05-2009, 01:40 AM
Ryan Freele

blenderboy5
01-05-2009, 02:23 AM
Derek Jeter.

goldglove212
01-05-2009, 02:29 AM
Derek Jeter.

:rimshot:

redsox10thman
01-05-2009, 06:37 AM
2 players off my head that get no attention... 3b Mark Reynolds (Arizona) hit 28 homeruns, 97 rbi's, 11 stolen bases, and scored 87 runs as well in "08". Granted the guy only hit .239, and struck out a major league record 204 times last year! But look who else makes that list as former single season strikeout leaders!

1 Mark Reynolds 204 2008
2 Ryan Howard 199 2007
Ryan Howard 199 2008
4 Jack Cust 197 2008
5 Adam Dunn 195 2004
6 Adam Dunn 194 2006
7 Bobby Bonds 189 1970
8 Josť HernŠndez 188 2002
9 Bobby Bonds 187 1969
Preston Wilson 187 2000

the other player I think WILL be looked over... I say will cause he's still young in his career is Taylor Buchholz RP for the Rockies. Taylor held his opponents to a .188 batting average in 66.1 innings last year. He posted a 2.17 ERA (which was sub 2.00 till last week of season), and he had a 0.95 WHIP. he will be fun to watch in "09" setting up both Street and Corpas

redsox10thman
01-05-2009, 06:49 AM
Roy Halladay
Nick Markakis
Nate Mclouth
Joe Nathan
Ryan Ludwick

Why are these guys being tagged...they are all considered top flight players and are all ALL Stars... which means they aren't the "best players you haven't heard of" They are the players that if you lived under a rock during baseball the last 18months you wouldn't know...

oksowhocares
01-05-2009, 08:05 AM
Luke Easter. He's on my deceased team!

Polandice
01-05-2009, 09:05 AM
Scott Downs.
he's very under-rated for a guy who has been one of the best late inning men for the past two years.

Joe Inglett had a great season last year as well.

mike6779682
01-05-2009, 09:13 AM
I'd say Ryan Doumit catcher or the Pirates.

infernoscurse
01-05-2009, 01:37 PM
2 players off my head that get no attention... 3b Mark Reynolds (Arizona) hit 28 homeruns, 97 rbi's, 11 stolen bases, and scored 87 runs as well in "08". Granted the guy only hit .239, and struck out a major league record 204 times last year! But look who else makes that list as former single season strikeout leaders!

1 Mark Reynolds 204 2008
2 Ryan Howard 199 2007
Ryan Howard 199 2008
4 Jack Cust 197 2008
5 Adam Dunn 195 2004
6 Adam Dunn 194 2006
7 Bobby Bonds 189 1970
8 Josť HernŠndez 188 2002
9 Bobby Bonds 187 1969
Preston Wilson 187 2000

the other player I think WILL be looked over... I say will cause he's still young in his career is Taylor Buchholz RP for the Rockies. Taylor held his opponents to a .188 batting average in 66.1 innings last year. He posted a 2.17 ERA (which was sub 2.00 till last week of season), and he had a 0.95 WHIP. he will be fun to watch in "09" setting up both Street and Corpas




he also had a Gold glove year getting more Errors than homeruns :D 34 Errors