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chinese_man_77
12-24-2008, 03:21 PM
“The Mets appear to be closing in on a deal for free-agent pitcher Derek Lowe,” reports the Boston Globe, according to a baseball source.

According to the report, ‘The deal is believed to be four years in length, or three years with a vesting option,’ and worth roughly $14-16 million per season.

John Harper of the Daily News writes that a deal could be reached between Christmas and New Year’s, according to a team source.

not a bad deal

Run Gardner Run
12-24-2008, 03:23 PM
pretty hefty price tag, but it makes their rotation a threat in the NL East.

Nighthawk
12-24-2008, 03:56 PM
pretty hefty price tag, but it makes their rotation a threat in the NL East.

a yankee fan talking about hefty price tags...wow

redwhitenblue
12-24-2008, 04:08 PM
Thank you!

Run Gardner Run
12-24-2008, 04:10 PM
a yankee fan talking about hefty price tags...wow

Im talking on behalf of the other team. For Lowe, its a hefty price

Mets4Life101
12-24-2008, 04:39 PM
lets get it done!

AZMetsFan33
12-24-2008, 04:42 PM
Santana/Lowe/Pelfrey/Maine would be a very nice 4 of 5 for the rotation.

a_roid_3333
12-24-2008, 04:49 PM
he'l probably live up to it in his first year, maybe even the second, but not after that

Seamhead
12-24-2008, 04:53 PM
That's a great deal.

Run Gardner Run
12-24-2008, 06:04 PM
Buster Olney says there is no offer, and they arent close

MelkyNYY
12-24-2008, 06:06 PM
Derek Lowe until he's 40? Lol

jetsfan89
12-24-2008, 06:13 PM
Derek Lowe until he's 40? Lol

so?

Nighthawk
12-24-2008, 06:15 PM
**** NY.....Come back to the Bean Lowe.

MelkyNYY
12-24-2008, 06:15 PM
so?

I find it hilarious, because we supposedly overpaid for a 31 year old Burnett at 16.5 million, and yet the Mets are giving a 36 year old low a 15 million dollar 4 year contract? A pitcher who lost it late in his career in the AL, went to the NL West, stat padded, and now will be the Phillies whipping boy for 4 years?

Wrigheyes4MVP
12-24-2008, 06:22 PM
Lowe >>>>>> Burnett

fightins89
12-24-2008, 06:25 PM
Derek Lowe until he's 40? Lol

HI HATER! Don't hate the player, hate the game. Don't hate just because your owner isn't willing to give out the money. More hating going on here. Another hate post? How many of these hate posts do we need....

Did I get them all?

Run Gardner Run
12-24-2008, 06:26 PM
**** NY.....Come back to the Bean Lowe.

Olney says chances are Boras and Boston wont be speaking much more after what happened with Teixiera


Lowe >>>>>> Burnett

Come on now

nysportsfan360
12-24-2008, 06:27 PM
Lowe is a much better pitcher then Burnett, and Lowe gets it done in the postseason. he's a big game pitcher

Run Gardner Run
12-24-2008, 06:27 PM
HI HATER! Don't hate the player, hate the game. Don't hate just because your owner isn't willing to give out the money. More hating going on here. Another hate post? How many of these hate posts do we need....

Did I get them all?

Your supposed to end all hate posts with his

Hate! Hate! Hate! Hate! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dzxef1muoQ)

Run Gardner Run
12-24-2008, 06:28 PM
Lowe is a much better pitcher then Burnett, and Lowe gets it done in the postseason. he's a big game pitcher

Burnett hasnt pitched in the postseason. How do you know hes not a big game pitcher? He pitches well against the Yankees and Red Sox

MelkyNYY
12-24-2008, 06:28 PM
HI HATER! Don't hate the player, hate the game. Don't hate just because your owner isn't willing to give out the money. More hating going on here. Another hate post? How many of these hate posts do we need....

Did I get them all?

I never wanted Lowe lol. And if the Yankees wanted him, he would be here.

MelkyNYY
12-24-2008, 06:30 PM
Lowe >>>>>> Burnett

Lowe's last year in the AL East was not better than Burnett's.

Stats Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLVCGyrww_M)

fightins89
12-24-2008, 06:31 PM
Lowe's certainly a more reliable pitcher, but Burnett has the capability to be much more overpowering than Lowe. I think I'd rather have Lowe, but I wouldn't label one better than the other until we see how the change of scenery affects Burnett.

nysportsfan360
12-24-2008, 06:31 PM
i didnt say he wasnt im just saying there not overpaying him that much considering hes a better complete pitcher then burnett is

MelkyNYY
12-24-2008, 06:31 PM
Lowe's certainly a more reliable pitcher, but Burnett has the capability to be much more overpowering than Lowe. I think I'd rather have Lowe, but I wouldn't label one better than the other until we see how the change of scenery affects Burnett.

True. Can't deny any of that.

MelkyNYY
12-24-2008, 06:33 PM
i didnt say he wasnt im just saying there not overpaying him that much considering hes a better complete pitcher then burnett is

No not really. Burnett has better K rates, Comparable GB rates (amazing since Lowe is a groundball pitcher), and Burnett also pitched in a much tougher division.

Yankees
Red Sox
Rays
Orioles

>

Padres
DBacks
Giants
Colorado

:) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLVCGyrww_M)

nysportsfan360
12-24-2008, 06:35 PM
yea we just said burnett is more overpowering but he is not as good of a pitcher as lowe, just look at the era

MelkyNYY
12-24-2008, 06:36 PM
yea we just said burnett is more overpowering but he is not as good of a pitcher as lowe, just look at the era

And I already cited the reason Burnett has a higher ERA.

He does not pitch to a pitcher
He faces the Yankees, Sox, Rays, Orioles instead of the bottom dwelling Rockies, Giants, Padres, and Dbacks.

Kenny
12-24-2008, 06:36 PM
pretty hefty price tag, but it makes their rotation a threat in the NL East.

Robbiecano24 thats a pretty laugable statement coming from a Yankees fan.

nysportsfan360
12-24-2008, 06:37 PM
and lowe has pitched in the al east to. he shut out the yankees a few years ago on short rest in the playoff game

Run Gardner Run
12-24-2008, 06:48 PM
Robbiecano24 thats a pretty laugable statement coming from a Yankees fan.

Seriously, were going to start this again? If I was this said person, I would have been gone a while ago. But im not.

I was saying it in terms of another team. I wasnt saying it based off the Yankees payroll. Im fine if you pay that price for him, hell, I want the Mets to get him, he adds to an already dynamic pitching staff.

CHRISDODGERS
12-24-2008, 07:06 PM
^ Love the sig RGR... :laugh:

johnnylee722
12-24-2008, 07:07 PM
Johan-Lowe-Pelfrey-Niese-Maine would certainly be a good rotation.

Just don't know how much you can trust Niese at this point.

johnnylee722
12-24-2008, 07:08 PM
^ Love the sig RGR... :laugh:

Who is he?

nysportsfan360
12-24-2008, 07:14 PM
there top pitching prospect

CHRISDODGERS
12-24-2008, 07:19 PM
Who is he?

Adalbjorg is a Red Sox fan...

That should explain it.. :)

RGR=Run Gardener Run...

gauth25
12-24-2008, 07:41 PM
Lowe >>>>>> Burnett

is that a joke?

gauth25
12-24-2008, 07:43 PM
and lowe has pitched in the al east to. he shut out the yankees a few years ago on short rest in the playoff game

ok and that was how about 4 years ago? the NL west is a joke and the NL is nothing compared to the AL, especially the Al east. burnett is better then lowe, anyone who disagrees is a moron

johnnylee722
12-24-2008, 08:12 PM
is that a joke?

I'd rather have Lowe on my team but Burrnett has better stuff.

johnnylee722
12-24-2008, 08:12 PM
Adalbjorg is a Red Sox fan...

That should explain it.. :)

RGR=Run Gardener Run...

oooo ok ok

I know who RGR... we're like BFF's :love: :D

Seamhead
12-24-2008, 08:26 PM
Come on now

Lowe tRA past 4 years: 3.24, 4.08, 4.02, 3.99
Lowe pitching runs above average past 4 years: 35, 20, 25, 15

Burnett tRA past 4 years: 3.69, 4.26, 4.00, 3.17
Burnett pRAA past 4 years: 29, 13, 17, 33

Lowe weighted tRA (past 4 seasons): 3.81
Burnett weighted tRA (past 4 seasons): 3.83


Lowe weighted pRAA (past 4 seasons) : 26
Burnett weighted tRA (past 4 seasons): 22

If anything, Lowe is better. Foir all of you snarking at the comment, care to, you know, have an idea what you're talking about. Look at ERA+. Get the same results.

hotpotato1092
12-24-2008, 08:33 PM
I wanted Sheets, oh well we're still getting a very good pitcher.

vick27m
12-24-2008, 08:34 PM
Burnett hasnt pitched in the postseason. How do you know hes not a big game pitcher? He pitches well against the Yankees and Red Sox

he won a ws in 2003 with the marlins then they shipped the whole team off thats how toronto got him.

MelkyNYY
12-24-2008, 09:17 PM
All ERA+ does it adjust based on park factor, which is irrelevant. There is no stat that shows the disparity in the skills of the hitters in the NL West/AL East. The Orioles, Rays, Red Sox, and Yankees would all be the best hitting teams in the NL West. That tells you something.

sportwiz628
12-24-2008, 10:15 PM
is that a joke?

Why would it be

Lowe rarely is injured compared to Burnett plus he is alot more reliable and is consistent

If Burnett is going to pitch a big game against the Sox I would make sure a nurse is with him 24/7 so he doesnt fall out of bed or something stupid like that

chinese_man_77
12-24-2008, 10:52 PM
Buster Olney says there is no offer, and they arent close

source?
besides, Olney is never right. i trust guys like keith law.

Seamhead
12-24-2008, 10:53 PM
All ERA+ does it adjust based on park factor, which is irrelevant.

Park factors are irrelevant? :laugh:



There is no stat that shows the disparity in the skills of the hitters in the NL West/AL East. The Orioles, Rays, Red Sox, and Yankees would all be the best hitting teams in the NL West. That tells you something.

So which is the metric that quantifies this?

JOSKOMANG4
12-26-2008, 05:51 PM
as a met fan.. I think we shouldnt go for Derrick Lowe.. 35 years old???????? WHYYYYYYYY

we can grab two pitchers for the price of lowe!!!!

I say we give Garland 3yr 24mill!!

----and------

we can try and resign Oliver Perez.. hoping his price tag gets lower.. hopin 4yr 40mill(pavano like)

8 +10- 18mill.. lowe.. just be himself.. wants 16...

rotation:

Santana
Maine
Pelfrey
Perez
Garland

sportwiz628
12-26-2008, 06:16 PM
as a met fan.. I think we shouldnt go for Derrick Lowe.. 35 years old???????? WHYYYYYYYY

we can grab two pitchers for the price of lowe!!!!

I say we give Garland 3yr 24mill!!

----and------

we can try and resign Oliver Perez.. hoping his price tag gets lower.. hopin 4yr 40mill(pavano like)

8 +10- 18mill.. lowe.. just be himself.. wants 16...

rotation:

Santana
Maine
Pelfrey
Perez
Garland


Lowe is a #2 but neither Perez or Garland are.

Maine really wasnt a good enough to be a 2 before his surgery and i think it will take at least a year for him to show he is good enough to be one.

Santana
Lowe
Maine
Pelfrey
FA/Neise

I like the second one especially if we can sign a decent pitcher for the #5 slot

war142
12-28-2008, 09:36 AM
Hope Maniya don't drop the ball on this one. Why not get Lowe and Wolfe!!!! Mets need to do something to strip that choke title they have won. In meantime get ride of that joker at secondbase, Castillo and give Murphy a shot there.

Sportfan
12-28-2008, 10:26 AM
Lowe would be a perfect fit in New York.

MrPink
12-28-2008, 11:05 AM
Why any Mets fan wants Oliver Perez back is a mystery. This guy is a turd. One start you get a stellar 6 innings and the next game he is knocked out of the 3rd. Way too much inconstancy. I wouldnt even offer him #5 starter money.

tangiers12
12-28-2008, 11:39 AM
I dont think Lowe is a number 2. If people consider him as a number 2 than he is an o.k. one at best. I would rather take a shot on Ben Sheets. I keep repeating myself about him. I know the mets have no interest and hes always injured but Sheets is a number1-2. Lowe would help the mets but at a 3 or 4 year deal hes , 35 he may be 36 when the season starts im not sure, we could have a number 5 starter in 4 years making 16 million a yr. All im saying is that im not as gung ho as everyone else is about signing Lowe.

Tragedy
12-28-2008, 11:44 AM
I dont think Lowe is a number 2. If people consider him as a number 2 than he is an o.k. one at best. I would rather take a shot on Ben Sheets. I keep repeating myself about him. I know the mets have no interest and hes always injured but Sheets is a number1-2. Lowe would help the mets but at a 3 or 4 year deal hes , 35 he may be 36 when the season starts im not sure, we could have a number 5 starter in 4 years making 16 million a yr. All im saying is that im not as gung ho as everyone else is about signing Lowe.
Have you taken a peak at the stats? Lowe has put up solid number 2 numbers since he arrived in LA. Last bad season the guy had was 2004 - He's been very, very good (and underrated) since.

thefens
12-28-2008, 11:49 AM
Why any Mets fan wants Oliver Perez back is a mystery. This guy is a turd. One start you get a stellar 6 innings and the next game he is knocked out of the 3rd. Way too much inconstancy. I wouldnt even offer him #5 starter money.

I think the Phils would be very happy to see Perez leave the Mets. Last year he had something like a 0.34 ERA against them.

Ph1lly Diehard
12-28-2008, 12:35 PM
I think the Phils would be very happy to see Perez leave the Mets. Last year he had something like a 0.34 ERA against them.

I'd rather see Lowe with the Mets then Perez with the Mets definitly. We knocked Lowe around good in the playoffs last year, we can hit him. Perez pitches like Nolan Ryan against us :speechless:

Hustla23
12-28-2008, 01:16 PM
I hope we get Lowe and Perez :) ;) :D

rocowear21
12-28-2008, 02:46 PM
Lowe, a solid 200 inning pitcher, Burnett just write back to me when he goes on the DL for the 15th time

Seamhead
12-28-2008, 04:13 PM
I'd rather see Lowe with the Mets then Perez with the Mets definitly. We knocked Lowe around good in the playoffs last year, we can hit him. Perez pitches like Nolan Ryan against us :speechless:

I really hope this isn't how the Mets are making their decision....:pity:

johnnylee722
12-28-2008, 04:17 PM
I hope we get Lowe and Perez :) ;) :D

hahaha it could happen. A lot of teams are dropping out of getting either Lowe or Ollie.

Opens the door to us.

johnnylee722
12-28-2008, 04:18 PM
I really hope this isn't how the Mets are making their decision....:pity:

Of course it makes sense. You hit a pitcher good once so now you want to face them every time.

I wish Hamels would pitch against us every game. :rolleyes:

Seamhead
12-28-2008, 04:22 PM
Of course it makes sense. You hit a pitcher good once so now you want to face them every time.

I wish Hamels would pitch against us every game. :rolleyes:

I really, really hope that whole post was sarcasm, as I don't feel like pointing out the fallacies in that logic right now. Sample size is the only thing I'll say...

Maine's the man
12-28-2008, 06:26 PM
from johnny yes, its sarcasm. However, I have been unfortunate enough to hear this argument for Ollie several times... seriously. I guess the Phillies have gotten to some met fans that much.

Here is a good question... assuming we sign Lowe. The way the market is, we could have an opportunity to sign either Ollie or Sheets as well. So assuming: Lowe 3/45-16 vesting option would you rather:

Sheets 2/28-16 vesting option (possibly just 3/40, thinking a third year guarantee might seal the deal for Sheets)
OR
Ollie 4/42
OR
Burrell 3/30


I think Sheets would be the way to go... great upside and I dont see the glaring need for an OFer. I think a much better idea is to trade castillo for byrnes or Marquis and then sign hudson. Maybe that should be a fourth option?

scottythegreat1
12-28-2008, 06:43 PM
Lowe not in the AL East??? Great news.

Anywho, 15 million a year is too much for Lowe, 12 million is about right.

sportwiz628
12-28-2008, 07:22 PM
Why any Mets fan wants Oliver Perez back is a mystery. This guy is a turd. One start you get a stellar 6 innings and the next game he is knocked out of the 3rd. Way too much inconstancy. I wouldnt even offer him #5 starter money.

any person in baseball would take Perez for #5 money but he has Boras as his agent and it wont happen. perez is a great pitcher he wasnt so god damn inconsistent. When he pitches good he is lights out but when he doesnt he sucks