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CubfanfromBirth
12-15-2005, 05:47 PM
Pujols vs. D. Lee

Give your reasoning!

CubfanfromBirth
12-15-2005, 05:51 PM
My thoughts are for D.Lee of course. Better Avg, Slug, more hits, more doubles, more tripples, and a Gold Glover for the year.

Driven
12-15-2005, 06:10 PM
Don't know how it can't be Pujols. He's been a wrecking force in the MLB ever since he debuted. When he retires, he'll go down as one of the best players ever. Lee won't.

Pujols is supposedly 25 years old (26 in January), while Lee is 30. Pujols only has 7 less HRs than Lee in his career, and his career OPS is 1.037! That's beyond amazing. That puts him in his own league with no one else. Lee's career OPS is .864, which is excellent, but that pales in comparison to Pujols.

Albert's lowest OPS in a season was .955, in his second year. He's hit 34 or more HRs in every season, and has had an OBP of .400 or better in every year but one (where it was a measily .394). He's also hit over 120 RBI every season but one (117). He walks more than he strikes out, and has a career AVG of .332 (Not that that usually means anything, but it just shows that no matter how you look at it, Pujols has no weakness offensively and put up incredible stats.)

Dare I say, when his career is over... Best player ever?

Blackbears77
12-15-2005, 06:31 PM
My thoughts are for D.Lee of course. Better Avg, Slug, more hits, more doubles, more tripples, and a Gold Glover for the year.

No way is Lee above Pujols. You can count on Pujols' numbers like you can count on a packed house at Wrigley Field for every home game. Lee hasn't proven himself to be in the Pujols catagory yet. He's a great player and an excellent 1B, but Pujols might just be the best player in all of baseball.

cubfan23
12-15-2005, 06:38 PM
Ok then he should of clarified his statement. He should of said this year because if it was just this year, easily Id say D.Lee then but over the years then most definetly Pujols.

Driven
12-15-2005, 06:45 PM
Who would you rather have NOW?

I think you take Pujols without question.

STLCards002
12-15-2005, 07:13 PM
"easily Id say D.Lee" It's not like Lee had that much of a greater year than Pujols. Pujols for sure offensively, and defensively it doesn't really matter b/c a game hasn't been lost by a first baseman's bad defense since that Buckner's legs :p

JonesSoda1314
12-15-2005, 07:31 PM
i think that pujols and lee are on a scale.... and for a while puljols was the heavy fav.. but this year has evened it out... it all depends if lees learning to hit the inside pitch will allow him to continue putting up this kind of production... were just going to have to see...the thing about pujols that would worry me is his foot problems... lee hasnt had any injury problems to my knowledge..
but overall id would give it to pujols just becuase hes done it longer... but lee very well may be passing him (or at least keeping up with him)

DamnGoat
12-15-2005, 07:53 PM
Who would you rather have NOW?

I think you take Pujols without question.
No kidding.

Anyone that takes Lee over Pujols is nuts, and is a biased Cub fan. Lee is a better defender w/o question, but he's not even close to the better bat.

Lloyd McClendon
12-15-2005, 08:23 PM
cubs fans will vote for d lee
non cubs fans will vote for king albert.

lee's carrer is a terd compard to what albert has done / continues to do / will do in the future. some say all said and done he's gonna have the greatest carrer ever, he certainly has the best start to it so far.

d lee didn't do **** until this year, even then he didn't have the consistency. i'd take albert in an important situation over him as well, and brad lidge would too i think :eek:

AARONDISNEY
12-15-2005, 10:27 PM
When he retires, he'll go down as one of the best players ever. Lee won't.


that's way too soon to say for either. Maybe Lee will hit like he did for this year for 8 or 9 more years, maybe Pujols will not hit over 310 again and even dip below 300 a couple of years. You can never tell what's going to happen. I'll agree that it's more likely to end up as you say but dont go determining the legacy of players that still have 10-12 years to go possibly.

kwon
12-15-2005, 10:44 PM
Lee is a great player and I love him but there is no way I choose him over Albert Pujols. Pujols is one of the best if not THE best hitter in the game today. Lee had a great MVP - caliber season but I don't expect to do it consistently over his career like Pujols has done.

rohan
12-15-2005, 10:55 PM
Lee is a great player and I love him but there is no way I choose him over Albert Pujols. Pujols is one of the best if not THE best hitter in the game today. Lee had a great MVP - caliber season but I don't expect to do it consistently over his career like Pujols has done.

Yeah. The Cub fan in me wants Lee, the baseball fan/smart guy in me knows Pujols is better. He apparently is younger, and bottom line is, Pujols is the best hitter in baseball not named Bonds. His defense isn't Lee-like, but it's very solid.

Sports Illustrator
12-15-2005, 11:50 PM
I would choose Pujols without a doubt in my mind. Pujols is a much proven player and has shown more of what he can do. I see Derek Lee currently on the rise but Pujols has been really risen each year better and better and Pujols is younger as well.

phatflier
12-16-2005, 02:15 AM
pujols...the only players who first few seasons compare to his are ted williams' and thats some insane company

americaspasttim
12-16-2005, 03:27 AM
Pujols, he simply the best hitter in all of baseball except Bonds, and when its all said and done I thinkhe will be considered the greatest hitter of all time. Defensively he's not quite as good as Lee, but he's not to shabby either...

eyememine
12-16-2005, 06:44 PM
Its rough to see the Cubs bias on this site...D.Lee is a great player and had a better year this year than Albert but honestly come on.

stlfan544
12-17-2005, 07:44 PM
Pujols is Pujols and Lee is Lee.........
I am not going to vote on this one allthough I'm a Cardinal fan......
They are both great athletes and I don't think i could pick between the two.....
Pujols is a great player and is younger but Lee has a few years on them. I think that those two are equal in my opinion.

IndiansFan337
12-18-2005, 09:36 PM
Pujols is the most feared hitter in baseball right now, while Lee is a threat he's not the consensus top hitter. And although Lee did win the GG, it's not as if Pujols is a slouch on defense.

THE PEOPLE
12-18-2005, 09:40 PM
Pujols vs. D. Lee

Give your reasoning!

D. Lee = D. Fense

soccerkicksa--
12-22-2005, 08:14 PM
Pujols is probably the best player in the whole league.

Blackbears77
12-22-2005, 09:01 PM
D. Lee = D. Fense

Pujols isn't too bad himself. It's his litlerally, gaurenteed offense, that puts him over the top.

Ramon Nivar
12-25-2005, 12:37 AM
Pujols is younger so that helps

UberCubsFan
12-25-2005, 12:45 PM
Pujols by 4 and a half miles (out of 5)

Pujols is an above average defensemen for 1B. his bat is like no other.

I'll give Lee the advantage with the glove.

Hitting for average: Pujols. Lee was BARELY better last year, is a career .270-some hitter, and pujols had 3 more hits in 3 fewer ABs. Lee is at 100K year, Pujols has never been there.

Hitting for power: is there even a question here? the post earlier sums it up... almost the same total in 1000 few ABs

Driving in runs AND scoring runs: Pujols... Lee broke 100 in each for the first time in his career. Pujols missed Lee's career high in RBIs ZERO times in his career.

OBP/SLG/OPS: It took a inhumane season from Lee to barely surpass the career numbers of Pujols.

SB: Pujols stole more bases :p

Pujols is feared in a line up with offense. That says A LOT as to his ability as a player.

Pujols packs the stadium. Pujols sells the apparel. Pujols gives fans in the bleachers something to take home. Pujols makes pitchers lose confidence in their stuff and managers hairs turn gray. Pujols does not slump to start or finish a season (well he does... but only because .325 is somehow "struggling"). Pujols gets a team built around him while Lee gets used in building a team. Because Pujols hits more home runs against "ground ball pitchers" than he does "fly ball pitchers". He makes who bats in front of him AND behind a better hitter and boosts their numbers.

and because there's only one sure way to get Pujols out: Walk him and get whoever bats behind him to hit a sharp ground ball right at somebody.

He is, without a doubt in my mind, the most feared hitter in the majors. if i ever DO doubt it, i'll just ask lidge. or i'll watch the replay of that home run.

Cubsfanatic23
12-25-2005, 02:39 PM
I'm a diehard Cubs fan, but it's Pujols. I love D Lee's glove, and the way he peformed last yr. However, Pujols has had a better overall career, and is still in his mid 20s.

fishfan79
12-25-2005, 05:39 PM
lee isnt half of the player for his career of puljos

That is like do you want Micky Mantle or do you want Juan Encarnacion


Puljos could end up one of the greatest player of all time.

the CUP
12-26-2005, 12:08 AM
D Lee had the better year last year, but if were talking careers now and for the future then its albert pujols

cubfan23
01-01-2006, 02:39 PM
D Lee had the better year last year, but if were talking careers now and for the future then its albert pujols


Exactly.

Sandman
01-04-2006, 11:04 PM
Lee had a better first half in 2005. That's the only thing he has on Pujols since he entered the league.

.287/.380/.581 in the second half. Good? Sure. Pujols-esque? nah.

monty
01-04-2006, 11:32 PM
This shouldnt even be a comparison. Albert Pujols has been more consistant of a hitter his whole career then Derrek Lee who had 1 good 1st half of the 2005 season. Other then that, Lee is just a above average 1st baseman while Albert Pujols is an elite all around player.

I cannt wait for my fantasy draft and see someone waste a 1st round pick on Derrek Lee.

KOH423
08-02-2006, 05:18 PM
i take pujols because he has had five seasons with at least 35 homers and a hundred RBI's while lee has had only three, plus pujols is more exciting to watch

Da King23
08-02-2006, 08:57 PM
Pujols may end with 800 HRs... if he can be healthy

Pujols also has been putting up big numbers longer. D Lee was a constent 30 HR until last year.
So Pujols until Lee can prove he is more than a 30 HR guy

dbroncos78087
08-02-2006, 09:31 PM
Pujols is better i think by far, he can hit for avg, power, and plays pretty good defense. Not to mention his attitude, its great towards everyone. I would take either on my team, but i think Albert is better.

HRF747
08-02-2006, 09:35 PM
I'll give my vote to Pujols... I think he's one of the most dangerous players to pitch on...

JohnnyCash
08-02-2006, 10:02 PM
Derek Lee All The Way!!

DamnGoat
08-02-2006, 10:35 PM
Pujols, and it's not even close.

Pujols' career numbers: .331/.418/.628

Lee's career numbers: .276/.363/.499

Pujols' best season: .359/.439/.667

Lee's best season: .335/.418/.662


Lee has had one season that is similar to what Pujols has done for 6 years in a row now, so it's really no contest at all.

As much as I like Lee, and think he can put up good to great numbers for the next 3-5 years, I don't think he'll ever be as good as he was in 05 again, and I don't it's very fair to compare him to Pujols either since there aren't too many guys that are close to his level right now.

salsa
08-02-2006, 10:37 PM
ALBERT PUJOLS ALL THE WAY

y would u even compare him with derek lee?

IRNMN
08-02-2006, 10:57 PM
I would take Lee because he has more 1B qualities then Pujols. I take Lee's Speed, Glove, Leadership, Value to his current team, ect but Pujols has the bat. So im leaning towarde Lee. Pujols is the best player because of his bat not because he is an all around player. Yeah I might sound a little crazy right now. Yeah I take Lee becuase Pujols glove can never be in the same league as Lee's because. Lee can save you about 50-60 runs if your IF screws up Lee 98% of the time will get the ball Pujols isnt a guarntee. Now Pujols can get you like 150+ runs but Lee gets close to 100 and if you add the saves thats about 150. So I take Lee.

Da King23
08-02-2006, 10:59 PM
Big Al' also is younger

Zaunnie
08-02-2006, 11:08 PM
What kind of stupid question is this? Its definately Albert Pujols

dbroncos78087
08-02-2006, 11:13 PM
I would take Lee because he has more 1B qualities then Pujols. I take Lee's Speed, Glove, Leadership, Value to his current team, ect but Pujols has the bat. So im leaning towarde Lee. Pujols is the best player because of his bat not because he is an all around player. Yeah I might sound a little crazy right now. Yeah I take Lee becuase Pujols glove can never be in the same league as Lee's because. Lee can save you about 50-60 runs if your IF screws up Lee 98% of the time will get the ball Pujols isnt a guarntee. Now Pujols can get you like 150+ runs but Lee gets close to 100 and if you add the saves thats about 150. So I take Lee.

Only counting his errors made at 1B, because he played the OF and 3B Albert has made 35 errors which is a little under 6 a year. And Derrek has had 60 errors in 9 years and that comes out to about 6.5. Not much of a difference but Albert averages 1 less. And for that little difference i would easily take Pujols' bat over DLee.

DamnGoat
08-02-2006, 11:26 PM
Also, if you're using Lee's 1B defense as an argument here it still should not matter. It still doesn't bring Lee close to the caliber of Pujols as an overall player.

To take Lee over Pujols is pretty odd IMO, and to base it on defense is even more foolish since Pujols isn't exactly stone-hands over there at 1B by any stretch. Pujols has played less games at 1B, but his FPCT at 1B is .993 to Lee's .994, so it's not like he's just giving up tons of runs over there w/his awful glove. :rolleyes:

I'll sacrafice Gold Glove defense, and a bat that'll give me .276/.363/.499 anyday for a bat that's gonna give me .331/.418/.628, and average to above average defense.

supermanshane83
08-02-2006, 11:38 PM
I am a die hard Cub fan.

For anyone to think D-Lee is in the same league as AP is crazy.

Think of it this way..

Who would a pitcher rather face in the bottom of the 9th up by one and D-Lee / AP at the plate with the tying run on base???

D-Lee of course. AP is probably the most dangerous threat in all of the majors (except Mr. Clutch Ortiz)...

IRNMN
08-02-2006, 11:54 PM
I would take Lee because he has more 1B qualities then Pujols. I take Lee's Speed, Glove, Leadership, Value to his current team, ect but Pujols has the bat. So im leaning towarde Lee. Pujols is the best player because of his bat not because he is an all around player. Yeah I might sound a little crazy right now. Yeah I take Lee becuase Pujols glove can never be in the same league as Lee's because. Lee can save you about 50-60 runs if your IF screws up Lee 98% of the time will get the ball Pujols isnt a guarntee. Now Pujols can get you like 150+ runs but Lee gets close to 100 and if you add the saves thats about 150. So I take Lee.

Accually Im just kidding I would take Pujols.

TheRedMarauder
08-06-2006, 09:59 AM
D. Lee is a good player, although having an injury ridden season, but Pujols is simply the best.

chicubs2034
12-06-2006, 05:33 AM
Pujols vs. D. Lee

Give your reasoning!

two years ago when lee was healthy he won the silver slugger award and the gold glove for first baseman....where was the mvp pujols????thats garbage, it should have been lee

Derrek Lee
12-06-2006, 06:08 PM
I would take Pujols as much as i like D-Lee. And i agree that he should have won the MVP. That was a ripoff.:mad:

Derrek Lee
12-06-2006, 06:08 PM
and the fact that he came in 3rd was even worse.:confused:

bpmd2k
12-09-2006, 05:03 AM
I would take Lee because he has more 1B qualities then Pujols. I take Lee's Speed, Glove, Leadership, Value to his current team, ect but Pujols has the bat. So im leaning towarde Lee. Pujols is the best player because of his bat not because he is an all around player. Yeah I might sound a little crazy right now. Yeah I take Lee becuase Pujols glove can never be in the same league as Lee's because. Lee can save you about 50-60 runs if your IF screws up Lee 98% of the time will get the ball Pujols isnt a guarntee. Now Pujols can get you like 150+ runs but Lee gets close to 100 and if you add the saves thats about 150. So I take Lee.

Hmmm, are you still so sure that pujols isn't a sure thing 4 months later... lol.

bpmd2k
12-09-2006, 05:06 AM
two years ago when lee was healthy he won the silver slugger award and the gold glove for first baseman....where was the mvp pujols????thats garbage, it should have been lee

He was in the post season....

Cubsrule
12-09-2006, 05:13 AM
He was in the post season....

But Lee was more important to his team and had the better all around numbers.

gocubbies
12-15-2006, 09:58 PM
Lee when healthy.

no reason.....

SJ5382
12-15-2006, 11:53 PM
I hate the jerk with a freakin passion, but Pujols is the obvious choice.

98YearsIsEnough
12-16-2006, 01:11 AM
Pujols is the better offensive player and Lee is the better defensive player. As a leader you'd take Lee too. But if your were to start a MLB team and you could draft any one player to begin your team with it would either be Pujols or Santana

98YearsIsEnough
12-16-2006, 01:15 AM
The Bias side of me wants to go with Lee but Pujols is one heck of a player and I would take him over Lee

bosox4416
12-16-2006, 12:16 PM
Pujols,by huge margins..

Cursed Rangers
12-16-2006, 01:37 PM
Not even close, Pujols by a mile. Pujols has a chance to go down as the best player of this generation.

R. Johnson#3
12-26-2006, 03:33 AM
As much as I like the Cubs, I have to go with Pujols. The only player that you can compare Pujols to is Bonds in his juiced years.

Hawaiiansoxfan
12-26-2006, 03:59 PM
Don't know how it can't be Pujols. He's been a wrecking force in the MLB ever since he debuted. When he retires, he'll go down as one of the best players ever. Lee won't.

Pujols is supposedly 25 years old (26 in January), while Lee is 30. Pujols only has 7 less HRs than Lee in his career, and his career OPS is 1.037! That's beyond amazing. That puts him in his own league with no one else. Lee's career OPS is .864, which is excellent, but that pales in comparison to Pujols.

Albert's lowest OPS in a season was .955, in his second year. He's hit 34 or more HRs in every season, and has had an OBP of .400 or better in every year but one (where it was a measily .394). He's also hit over 120 RBI every season but one (117). He walks more than he strikes out, and has a career AVG of .332 (Not that that usually means anything, but it just shows that no matter how you look at it, Pujols has no weakness offensively and put up incredible stats.)

Dare I say, when his career is over... Best player ever?

Word!

Derrek Lee
12-26-2006, 05:42 PM
Word!

yeah, but he still shouldnt have won the MVP.

.:mad: :mad: :confused: :horse: :crazy: :badidea: :pity: :bang:

terriblemente69
12-27-2006, 02:51 AM
Pujols by far, Lee had only one spectacular year and Pujols is a monster

CubsFanBudMan74
01-16-2007, 01:13 PM
definately pujols he jsut puts up insane numbers year in year out but d-lee is the betetr defender by far tho

DefLeppard
01-16-2007, 02:04 PM
Albert Pujols. Lee was just a one year wonder.

RedSoxRok34
01-18-2007, 01:57 AM
well, alberts the best in the game period, so...i gotta say albert!!

Sandman
02-04-2009, 03:33 PM
dude.

Rampage132
02-04-2009, 03:38 PM
Why would you bring back a two year old thread?

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 04:00 PM
Lol

Grecs422
02-04-2009, 04:52 PM
Pujols easily

NYY NYJ NYK
02-04-2009, 07:38 PM
Albert Pujols (best player in baseball)

con_artist
02-04-2009, 08:30 PM
how did 18 people think lee was better than pujols? :crazy:

Gigantes4Life
02-04-2009, 08:41 PM
Major LOL here.

JDIsMyGod23
02-04-2009, 08:51 PM
I literally went to the home forum and saw this and was hoping this was just made. Damn.

Sportfan
02-04-2009, 09:06 PM
this is so obvious, lee of course


































































j/k :D

NYMetros
02-04-2009, 10:40 PM
My thoughts are for D.Lee of course. Better Avg, Slug, more hits, more doubles, more tripples, and a Gold Glover for the year.

What? Derek Lee doesn't have a better average or slugging%.
And of course Lee has more doubles and hits. He has more than a year in the MLB over Pujols.
Many consider Pujols the best defensive 1st baseman in the game.
It's Pujols, obviously.

cardinals1226
02-04-2009, 10:53 PM
What? Derek Lee doesn't have a better average or slugging%.
And of course Lee has more doubles and hits. He has more than a year in the MLB over Pujols.
Many consider Pujols the best defensive 1st baseman in the game.
It's Pujols, obviously.

The guy posted that 3 years ago, 2005, when Lee had 46 homeruns and batted .335. He was basing that off of that season alone. Why is this thread even still open?

northsider
02-05-2009, 07:10 PM
It was dumb for this to be brought back shame on whoever did.

Sportfan
02-05-2009, 07:48 PM
completely agree northsider

Matt-the-great
02-06-2009, 03:37 PM
is this a serious question?

cardinals1226
02-06-2009, 03:40 PM
is this a serious question?

Three years ago when everyone thought Lee's one season of "greatness" made him better than Pujols.

quiksilver2491
02-06-2009, 04:01 PM
Alright, enough is enough, can a mod close this already so we don't have people who don't even read the thread come in here all surprised.

IRUAM #21
02-06-2009, 04:33 PM
How stupid

dre1990
08-28-2009, 11:18 PM
Pujols

Faithdies
08-28-2009, 11:30 PM
This was a great necro.

The_Mac22
08-29-2009, 03:14 AM
Pujols >>>> Lee.


/thread

Twinke Masta
08-29-2009, 08:20 AM
holy thread mine batman!

MooseWithFleas
08-29-2009, 03:12 PM
What? Derek Lee doesn't have a better average or slugging%.
And of course Lee has more doubles and hits. He has more than a year in the MLB over Pujols.
Many consider Pujols the best defensive 1st baseman in the game.
It's Pujols, obviously.

I got tricked by that too. I also thought Driven was insane when he said that Pujols was only 25 lol.

Zmaster52
08-30-2009, 10:12 PM
I'd rather have derek lee, i dont want pujols then lose a first basemen because he got a 50 game suspension because of steroids

todu82
08-31-2009, 04:23 AM
It's Albert Pujols easily.

DC82
08-31-2009, 07:32 AM
No brainer it's Pujols

Zaunnie
08-31-2009, 08:26 AM
:facepalm:

Saint Brian
08-31-2009, 10:24 AM
Nothing like dragging up irrelevant threads.

Tragedy
08-31-2009, 12:04 PM
:speechless:

How dose Lee have as many votes as he has?

Saint Brian
08-31-2009, 12:10 PM
:speechless:

How dose Lee have as many votes as he has?

Cubs fans who can't stomach voting for Pujols?

AirJordanXVIII
08-31-2009, 08:10 PM
If you average out the percentage of people on this forum that are from Chicago, you can see why theres is 19 votes for Lee.

BaustinSali08
08-31-2009, 09:32 PM
Pujols just because it's Pujols.

Rndy
08-31-2009, 10:18 PM
If you average out the percentage of people on this forum that are from Chicago, you can see why theres is 19 votes for Lee.



It's quite obvious most of these votes were during 05. There was an argument for it that one year, Even then I'd rather have Pujols though.

ShinobiNYC
09-01-2009, 10:08 AM
Amazingly, Lee had better numbers than Pujols in 2005.

FlakeyFool
09-06-2009, 07:22 PM
how is this even a question?

its pujols.

Burkey3472
09-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Wow, old *** thread. People have to realize this was made in 2005, and the year Lee was having was flat out nasty. Pujols was still the answer then though, and he is now.

Matt-the-great
09-07-2009, 08:13 AM
haha, i was prepared to come in here and lose my ****...but i thought i better check the date first.

Lee was actually having a super impressive season though...

in 2005:

Lee: .335/.418/.662 - 50 2b, 46 Hr, 107 rbi, 15 sb

Pujols: .330/.430/.609 - 38 2b, 41 Hr, 117 rbi, 16 sb

Lee definitely had the edge for that 1 season...but how could anyone justify choosing him when he was 5 years older than Pujols?

Silent
09-10-2009, 11:22 AM
anyone that picked d lee over pujols is on crack

ccspence8
09-10-2009, 01:58 PM
Lee is so overrated

Zmaster52
09-10-2009, 07:08 PM
anyone that picked d lee over pujols is on crack

i noe im on crack, i do it daily, lol PUJOLS IS ON STEROIDS

yanks19791024
09-12-2009, 09:45 AM
Pujols

Telios9
09-12-2009, 12:01 PM
pujols and if you pick lee your a homer or you dont watch baseball at all!

championmets
09-14-2009, 04:40 PM
this thread is hilarious, its been brought back like 7 times, lol

IMO its pujols but in 2005 Lee was close to getting the Triple crown

DieHardColtsfan
09-23-2009, 06:04 PM
LOL Classic!

AthleticMajesty
09-28-2009, 04:25 AM
It's not even close.

Pujols' is litterally 10 times more valuable.