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D.Pumps
12-14-2008, 04:51 PM
Hi Tigers, up here in the arctic we can't help but notice you could use some bullpen help. Well i think we're just the guys to talk to. Now I know BJ Ryan is a little pricey thats why we won't mention him today. No what im proposing is a complete rebuild of your Pen. All we as for in return is MR Willis and a significant amount of his salary paid. See our boy Brad Arnsberg has a thing with rebuilding pitchers, so we'd love to have a crack at Willis. Meanwhile you could have a nice lefty in Brain Tallet, a set up man in Jason Frasor?, or a righty specialist in Shawn Camp, or hell, have all three. Let us know what you think D-Town.

The Queen of Canada

Sheffies Chef
12-14-2008, 07:40 PM
i'd jump on 2 or 3 of them!

Sheffies Chef
12-14-2008, 07:40 PM
if you wanna pay us well for Dontrelle, i say he's yours.

JackB
12-14-2008, 07:58 PM
Oh and take Sheffield and his whole contract too.

stanpapi
12-14-2008, 09:59 PM
Don't confuse it with Sheff, but I'll take this trade. Willis needs to get out of Detroit. I mean, he needs more than that, but he does need to go.

Bondomania
12-15-2008, 11:16 AM
I would do a deal where we pick up some of Willis's contract for League... he is sick... that would be the only deal i do.. i think we have enough BP arms to get by this season.. this is a "re-tool" season for the tigers, similar to what the white sox went through a few years ago.. we will stick around long enough to make it interesting and sell tickets... maybe if one of our 2008 draft picks comes out of no where and is a major contributor we find ourselves in the playoffs.. or if we pick up a closer we could be a playoff team.. League looks like he can close, or at least has closer stuff

dddtfan
12-15-2008, 03:31 PM
Reality is, we do not have a penchant for paying people to play for other teams...although Jaque Jones was perhaps an exception, and that too was probably because we got money when we got him.

as for the Blue Jays, it seems to me that you have a contract that you aren't too crazy about in BJ Ryan, well, I've got 2 of them for you...Marcus Thames and Fernando Rodney. After Arbitration, those 2 will be somewhere in the vicinity of 4-7 Million dollars this year.

Tell you what, you can have a pitcher to rehab in Fernando Rodney, and we'll even give you a power bat that is still somewhat on the cheap, you give us that closer. You save between 3 & 6 million dollars and we get a quality closer under contract for 2 years (which is about when help from the farm should arrive for us) and that would be a NET cost to us will be about 5 Million dollars, the same as what Putz would have cost us, only we aren't paying in prospects anymore.

My alternative offer is Nate Robertson and Zach Miner. You save about 3 Million dollars this year, and you get 2 starting pitchers, one of them young, cheap and controllable, and the other, someone else who needs rehab.

take your pick.

My last offer is Sheffield and Thames for Ryan and Overbay. but I'd have to wait until spring to see if I think either Wilkin Ramirez, Caspar Wells, or Mike Hessman can hold down left field.

sorry Toronto, I'll work with you, if you help us out some to, no one way contract eats...thank you.

JMDTM
12-15-2008, 05:06 PM
I would do a deal where we pick up some of Willis's contract for League... he is sick... that would be the only deal i do.. i think we have enough BP arms to get by this season.. this is a "re-tool" season for the tigers, similar to what the white sox went through a few years ago.. we will stick around long enough to make it interesting and sell tickets... maybe if one of our 2008 draft picks comes out of no where and is a major contributor we find ourselves in the playoffs.. or if we pick up a closer we could be a playoff team.. League looks like he can close, or at least has closer stuff

im with you on that. league would be a huge pickup for Willis. id take it.

Sheffies Chef
12-17-2008, 12:17 AM
is league the guy that has a friggin' load of a tats?

Bondomania
12-17-2008, 12:40 AM
yeah, and glasses.... straight up bad ***..... complements that with a 97-98 mph fastball

rselinger
12-18-2008, 11:14 AM
League actually hits 100-101 once in a while.

Usually its 97-98, but when he pushes, he can slam it past you at 100. Thank god he got his velocity back, and his control is definately improving.

I don't think there is anyway we would trade League. In our bullpen, I'd keep Carlson/Downs/League as untouchable and willing to trade any of our other guys.

Also, I can't wait to see you guys on opening day up in T.O.

dddtfan
12-18-2008, 04:23 PM
[QUOTE=rselinger;7705548]

I don't think there is anyway we would trade League. In our bullpen, I'd keep Carlson/Downs/League as untouchable and willing to trade any of our other guys.

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If it would be good enough for you, I, personally would take the BJ Ryan contract at 10 Million a year for 2 years off your hands if you would take something involving Marcus Thames from us. After Arbitration, Thames figures to be making 3-4 Million this year, and if we could get the Net Cost of BJ Ryan down into that 6-7 Million range by offloading that Thames contract onto you, (he hits for some power which is something I think you all were looking for), we'd be working pretty close to within our budget, and you'd still be saving a chunk of change that you could then either save, or spend otherwise. We could throw Zach Miner into that equation to give you a young, and inexpensive starting pitcher that we look to NOT use in our rotation...

rselinger
12-19-2008, 10:10 AM
I personally would unload Ryan for Thames / Miner, 100%. I don't think Tigers management would want to give up on Miner, but I'd still consider pulling the trigger on Ryan for Thames, just because we'd be able to shed a contract that we can easily replace.

Bondomania
12-19-2008, 12:06 PM
Miner is very much in the mix for the 5th starter role, not to mention he has the ability to be a setup guy or closer.. i would prefer to hold on to Miner.. not to mention, the tigers don't have the financial ability to pick up a 10 million dollar closer.. and DD will never allow a closer to make 10 mill. for one of his teams, he just doesn't believe in it

dddtfan
12-20-2008, 02:51 AM
They have the ABILITY to pick up a 10M closer, based on budgetary constraints if they offload a 3 to 4 million dollar contract in the process, which is why I suggested Thames after arbitration as a starting point, now...whether DD would ACUTALLY DO THAT or not...well that is another story.

On paper, I'd agree Miner COULD be in the mix for a starting role, it seems though that no matter how we try, his name always seems to end up on the bullpen list, and I fully submit that Miner continues to prove he is a better starter than a reliever. We as fans need to accept this whether we like it or not, are proven right or wrong about our sentiment....as of today, Dontrelle Willis is our 5th starter, and will likely start on day 4 between Bonderman and Jackson, with Treanor as his catcher....AND will continue to serve in that role until somewhere around June the first where either we will once and for all determine Willis was a complete bust OR Willis will have proven he has rebounded. I don't hedge my bets either way as to what the outcome of that will be, BUT...that IS however what I bet the REALITY for us as fans is.

Bondomania
12-20-2008, 12:56 PM
i agree with most of what you say, I think that management have an idea of what they want, despite the fact that Miner has consistantly prooven that he is a better starter than reliever. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Miner is dealt prior to the season in a package to acquire a legit closer.. i think people highly under-value Miner, and i think he has the ability to be a legit #3 starter on a lot of teams

dddtfan
12-23-2008, 11:20 AM
I actually think before all is said and done, considering Miller and Jurjenns, that we'll trade Miner off, and he will be a consistent, not great, but consistent player for a team that has the spot to use him the way he needs to be used. I am on board with you that he could possibly be a #3, but certainly could fill out the back end of some team's rotation, but I think Miner is the one who we could regret trading the most. Miller is still young but I don't miss him yet, and Jurrjens got hit pretty hard the second half of the season.

theoldgoalie
12-23-2008, 03:41 PM
i agree with most of what you say, I think that management have an idea of what they want, despite the fact that Miner has consistantly prooven that he is a better starter than reliever. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Miner is dealt prior to the season in a package to acquire a legit closer.. i think people highly under-value Miner, and i think he has the ability to be a legit #3 starter on a lot of teams


I guess I never really gave it a thought, but it would make some sense. He is definately a legitimate starter and would be a really good number three starter on a team that needs one. It'll be interesting to see what happens there. It would be interesting to see what happens with Smoltz in Atlanta. I still tend to think he will be coming here, but a sign and trade deal or something that would send Miner back to Atlanta, or maybe send him to Colorado for Fuentes, although I am not sold on that dude. I think he has issues, namely thinking he is better than he really is. But again, I never really looked at Miner as being trade material, but he is. Good call man!