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mark1125
12-13-2008, 10:05 AM
CLOSER TALKS: The Tigers have been in contact recently with the agent for free-agent right-hander Derrick Turnbow, who notched 63 saves for Milwaukee in 2005-06.

Turnbow, who turns 31 on Jan. 25, pitched in only eight games this year because of right shoulder trouble and wildness (13 walks in 6 1/3 innings).

Agent Damon Lapa expects him to be healthy and throwing strikes by the start of training camp."


I surely hope this isn't true. Are you kidding me. If this is in the grand plan, we are doomed.

JackB
12-13-2008, 10:25 AM
Options? Rodney? Talk about being doomed.I might take a look at Joe nelson. At this point we need somebody that can throw strikes. I wouldn't trust Rodney at the end of a game with the Little league champions.

JMDTM
12-13-2008, 01:04 PM
maybe it will work out. who knows

Bondomania
12-13-2008, 02:16 PM
Agent Damon Lapa expects him to be healthy and throwing strikes by the start of training camp.

That's a funny quote if you think about it.. his inability to throw strikes is what got him demoted and caused him to fall out of favor in Milwaukee.. So thats awesome.. yet another guy that can't throw strikes in our BP.. who knows though, maybe the injury allowed him to get away from the game for a bit and view the game from a different angle..

stanpapi
12-13-2008, 02:44 PM
It's nonsense like this that actually makes me miss Todd Jones. One thing you could depend on with Jones, he wasn't going to walk a whole lot of people. I mean, he probably wasn't going to get them out nearly often enough, but more often than not, they were actually going to have to hit the ball. Signing this dude would be throwing good $ after bad.

Moneytime27
12-13-2008, 07:47 PM
maybe give him a minor league deal he's had a few good seasons but still highly inconsistent, they should be focusing on Takashi Saito since the Dodgers non tendered him he turned down 2.5 Million plus incentives from the Dodgers, with the low budget moves made with Everett , Laird and Jackson give him 4, 4.5 Million even if they overpay a little bit, better then giving Fuentes 11 Million a season and still no guarantee Fuentes lost his job as a closer with the Rockies a few years ago, way to risky, Saito is perfect and if Turnbow can get a minor league deal why not, cant be any worse then it was last year

mark1125
12-13-2008, 09:26 PM
maybe give him a minor league deal he's had a few good seasons but still highly inconsistent, they should be focusing on Takashi Saito since the Dodgers non tendered him he turned down 2.5 Million plus incentives from the Dodgers, with the low budget moves made with Everett , Laird and Jackson give him 4, 4.5 Million even if they overpay a little bit, better then giving Fuentes 11 Million a season and still no guarantee Fuentes lost his job as a closer with the Rockies a few years ago, way to risky, Saito is perfect and if Turnbow can get a minor league deal why not, cant be any worse then it was last year

Saito might be workable. I have no designs on Fuentes or his price tag, but I would like to see 2 guys picked up. Saito, Cruz, Lyon, Beimel, etc. They wouldn't break the bank. Turnbow????

I agree with Papi. Give me someone who can throw a strike.

Moneytime27
12-14-2008, 01:54 AM
seems the Tigers could land Beimel as the other 3 suitors Reds Rockies and Diamondbacks all landed left handed specialists leaving only the Tigers as the remaining team interested in his services. add Beimel and Saito or even a slight chance John Smoltz to close the Tigers could have a solid offseason

Epic89
12-14-2008, 04:36 AM
This is why the Tigers will never be successful until DD goes; he simply does not value the bullpen, and if 2008 couldn't teach him too, nothing will. He only bargain shops when it comes to the BP; DD will not spend to improve the pen. DD, these guys you sign are journeymen for a reason; they suck! Quit the reclamation projects, and get some proven guys!

This is just ****ing hopeless, I am furious with this team.

JackB
12-14-2008, 10:20 AM
DD has his hands tied. A couple of bad signings last year have hurt. They all make mistakes. Look a the money the Yankees spent on Pavano. What did he pitch maybe 30 innings the entire contract? You can't spend the kind of money thats being thrown around and try to compete with teams like the Mets and Yankees. It doesn't always buy success.Proven guys as you call them want the most they can get. We simply can't give them that kind of money. Most teams can't .How would you like to be an auto worker living in Detroit and see the Tigers spend 36-40 million on a player? Maybe you are. That auto worker can listen or watch the game on TV but won't be able to go to the game because of the ticket prices. For the most part if we can get one or two decent middle guys I think we'll be ok. We need a closer that can throw strikes. Doesn't have to blow people away.But the walks killed us last year.The starters need to go deeper into games this year.We need at least 6-7 innings from them.In most starts.Don't get all worked up just yet. Lets see how things work out. Teams are running out of money . We may have a shot at Biemiel. The trade deadline isn't until July 31st so we have time .

Bondomania
12-14-2008, 10:58 AM
DD has never and will never give a reliever 10 million per season... Wood has question marks just as K-Rod does.. k-rods velocity dipped a bit this year, and people question if his arm was wearing out, him and his agent claim that he is more comfortable pitching at the lower velocity and say its there if he needs it.. who knows.. and Wood cannot stay healthy to save him life.. last year was the first year that he really was healthy for an entire season, and i don't think he was, i think he was hurt for a bit.. Saito wouldn't be bad.. but why should we pay a reliever 10 mill. a season when in 2010 we are going to have a ton of relievers that we just drafted that will be ready to contribute for the tigers... doesn't make sense at all... i think we need to find a short-term solution to allow Perry and co. to develop for the year, and then we will have a dominant BP once again in 2010, as well as a pretty solid starting rotation. With Verlander, Galarraga, Bonderman, Porcello, and Jackson or Miner or Willis or Robertson

mark1125
12-14-2008, 11:06 AM
I definately did not endorse throwing big money at K-Rod, Wood, Fuentes. I would like them to grab Juan Cruz, Joe Beimel, and maybe a Saito. Not all 3 mind you, but 2 of them would be reasonable. I can't imagine they would be too expensive.

All I ask in no Fernando Rodney. His not not good, he is fragile, and he can't throw strikes.

PS. Joe NElson would be a cheap addition as well. He was seeking $800k from FLorida and they non-tendered. He was one of their best last year.

drewstantontime
12-14-2008, 12:00 PM
ya look at gagne a few years back and pavano. The expensive guys arent a guarentee all the time. As long as he makes changes in the bullpen then im happy

hoog
12-15-2008, 08:19 AM
Mark, i'm with you. Saito, Cruz, and Beimel should be targets right now along with Lyon and Joe Nelson. I would target two of those guys and then TRADE Rodney not promote him as a closer? Really, who are they trying to kid with that kind of talk. Rodney was a good set up man, for what, a half season? He's not that good, he is fragile, and he does not have a closer's mentality. I'd rather see him shipped out than get a shot at the closer spot.

Bondomania
12-15-2008, 11:33 AM
Mark, i didn't accuse you of it.. sorry if it came off that way.. i am just saying, i think DD was looking to get Wood, i really do.. however, i think he was trying to get him for 2 years and about 7 or 8 mill. and once the Indians came in and jacked the price up to 10 mill. DD said no thank you.

dddtfan
12-15-2008, 05:41 PM
Given the status quo and a rotation of Verlander, Bonderman, Gallaraga, Jackson, and what the heck, the dartboard says....Willis.

Arms for the pen are

lhp - Seay, Robertson, blank
rhp - Zoom, Miner, Rodney, blank

Not impressive I know and only 2 slots to go. that one other lhp slot MAY go to the rule 5 guy Bloom, or McKay McBride

And just so people get this thought in mind also...Fein just might make the team in April...so some people need to go one way or the other.

I like Nelson
Saito
AND Cruz, but they need to be one year deals, we have to much youth to close to be committing long term dollars and roster spots to these people

mark1125
12-15-2008, 06:24 PM
I agree with those names. Fuentes would be costly, Chad Cordero is nothing. Cruz is my favorite and I would like to see him get a shot at closing. Saito would be worths a shot too. Nelson is acceptable.

theoldgoalie
12-16-2008, 11:55 AM
Signing this dude would be throwing good $ after bad.

I think it's just a kick at the old tires, but taking a chance on this guy is a train wreck waiting to happen. We've got enough control problems right now with the Robertson and Willis situations looking to work themselves out. We need a steady force at the back end of the pen. To me, it all comes down to Smoltz. I don't care what the price is! bring him in and I will guarantee you he gives us 2-3 solid years in the pen with the ability to give us a spot start or two in emergency situations. In the meantime, we can either develop a young closer, make a trade, or take some money after a couple of contracts fall off and get someone more long term, but Fuentes is not the answer, Cordero is not the answer and neither is Turnbow.

dddtfan
12-23-2008, 11:47 AM
If Smoltz decides to leave Atlanta, and can pass a physical, I'd give him 2 years, if it wasn't too much money-wise, to get him that shot to get to 200 saves to go with his 200+ wins.