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superkegger
12-12-2008, 07:40 PM
For any and all discussion about the upcoming 2010 free agency.

We're all very aware that the summer of 2010 is going to be, according do Lebron, “very big”. No doubt he’s right. There are a lot of potential FA’s and team’s with potential cap space. Let’s take a closer look though at all 30 NBA teams and their situation as it relates to 2010.

A few things to note. Players who are in their “Qualifying Offer” year are not going to be included in the total salary committed for 2010.

For example, Rajon Rondo is technically under contract for 3,018,783; but unless he does what Ben Gordon does this year and decide to play for the qualifying offer so he can become a UFA at the end of that season, he will negotiate a new contract that will start in 2010.

So for the time being he will be listed as under contract, but his (and this goes for all players who are in that same situation) salary will not be counted against their cap for the time being.

Player Options, Team options and the like will be counted in the teams total salary.

I got nearly all my salary info from this site.

Legend:
TO = Team Option
QO = Qualifying Offer
ETO = Early Termination Option
UFA = Unrestricted Free Agent
Not Fully Guaranteed = That players salary for that season is not guaranteed in that full amount. If he is released before a certain date (varies by the player) they will not receive that full salary, nor will that full salary count against that teams cap.

Some of this info may be wrong. Some of the salary info may be a bit off. Forgive me for not being perfect, if you see something that you think is off, or something I need to add, let me know.

Unrestricted Free Agents in the summer of 2010 (previous season salary)
Joe Johnson (14,976,754)
Ray Allen (19,776,860)
Raja Bell (5,250,000)
Larry Hughes (13,655,268)
Ben Wallace (14,000,000)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (11,541,074)
Sasha Pavlovic (4,750,000)
Tracy McGrady (22,483,124)
Luis Scola (3,284,667)
Udonis Haslem (7,100,000)
Luke Ridnour (6,500,000)
Mike Miller (9,880,937)
Craig Smith (2,300,000)
Al Harrington (10,026,875)
Quentin Richardson (8,700,000)
Chris Duhon (6,031,800)
Earl Watson (6,600,000)
Hedo Turkoglu (7,354,500)
Shaq (21,000,000)
Steve Nash (13,125,000)
Travis Outlaw (4,000,000)
Brad Miller (12,250,000)
Manu Ginobli (10,728,130)
Kurt Thomas (3,800,000)
Bruce Bowen (4,000,000)
Fabricio Oberto (3,800,000)
Roger Mason Jr. (3,780,000)
Michael Finley (2,500,000)
Jermaine O'Neal (23,016,000)

Players with a Early Termination Option (Salary they would get in 2010 if not opting out)
Paul Pierce (21,513,521)
LeBron James (17,149,244)
Dirk Noritz (21,513,524)
Kenyon Martin (16,545,455)
Yao Ming (17,686,100)
T.J. Ford (8,500,000)
Kobe Bryant (24,806,250)
Vladimir Radanovich (6,883,800)
Dwyane Wade (17,149,244)
Michael Redd (18,300,000)
Richard Jefferson (15,000,000)
Sebastian Telfair (2,700,000)
Predrag Stojakovic (14,256,000)
Tyson Chandler (13,150,000)
Eddy Curry (11,276,863)
Jarred Jeffries (6,883,800)
Amare Stoudamire (17,686,100)
Joel Przybilla (7,405,300)
John Salmons (5,808,000)
Chris Bosh (17,149,243)
Jason Kapono (6,641,440)

superkegger
12-12-2008, 07:40 PM
Golden State Warriors

Players under contract in 2010:
Monta Ellis 11,000,000
Andris Biedrins 9,000,000
Jamal Crawford 10,080,000
Corey Maggette 9,600,000
Stephen Jackson 8,453,250
Ronny Turiaf 4,000,000
Kelenna Azubuike 3,300,000 (ETO)
Brandan Wright 3,398,072 (TO)
Anthony Randolph 1,965,720 (TO)
Marco Belinelli 2,380,270 (TO)

Total Salaries:
55,494,000

Things to note:
None at this time

Los Angeles Clippers

Players under contract in 2010:
Zach Randolph 17,333,333
Baron Davis 13,000,000
Chris Kaman 11,300,000
Eric Gordon 3,016,680 (TO)
Al Thornton 2,814,196 (TO)
Mardy Collins 2,801,613
DeAndre Jordan 854,389
Mike Taylor 854,389

Total salaries:
49,222,987

Things to note:
Marcus Camby is a UFA after the 09-10 season.

Los Angeles Lakers

Players under contract in 2010:
Kobe Bryant 24,806,250 (ETO)
Pau Gasol 17,823,000
Andrew Bynum 13,900,000
Vladimir Radmanovic 6,883,800 (ETO)
Sasha Vujacic 5,475,113
Luke Walton 5,260,000
Jordan Farmar 2,874,126 (QO)

Total Salaries with Kobe and Vlad:
74,089,682

Total Salaries with Vlad and no Kobe
49,283,432

Total salaries with no Vlad or Kobe:
42,399,632

Things to note:
Both Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza are UFA’s are the 08-09 season.
Kobe Bryant also has the ability to opt out of his contract after the 08-09 season, if he does so, he will not be part of the group that can opt out in 2010.

Phoenix Suns

Players under contract in 2010:
Amare Stoudamire 17,686,100 (ETO)
Jason Richardson 14,444,443
Leandro Barbosa 7,100,000
Jared Dudley 2,151,068 (TO)
Goran Dragic 1,972,000
Robin Lopez 1,867,320 (TO)
Alando Tucker 1,934,455 (TO)

Total salaries:
47,155,387

Total salaries if Amare opts out:
29,469,287

Things to note:
Steve Nash and Shaq are both UFA’s after the 09-10 season.

Sacramento Kings

Players under contract in 2010:
Kevin Martin 10,600,005
Beno Udrih 6,478,600
John Salmons 5,808,000 (ETO)
Francisco Garcia 5,442,810
Spencer Hawes 2,974,320 (TO)
Jason Thompson 2,178,000 (TO)
Donte Greene 930,700 (TO)

Total salaries:
34,412,435

Things to note:
Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas and Mikki Moore are all UFA’s after the 09-10 season.

superkegger
12-12-2008, 07:40 PM
Denver Nuggets

Players under contract in 2010:
Kenyon Martin 16,545,455 (ETO)
Carmelo Anthony 17,149,244
Chauncey Billups 13,150,000
Nene 11,360,000
JR Smith 6,031,851
Renaldo Balkman 3,027,094
Sonny Weems 854,389

Total salaries:
64,236,548

Things to note:
Linas Kleiza will be up for a contract extension after the 08-09 season.

Minnesota Timberwolves

Players under contract in 2010:
Al Jefferson 13,000,000
Ryan Gomes 4,385,000
Kevin Love 3,638,280 (TO)
Randy Foye 4,795,096 (QO)
Corey Brewer 3,703,472 (TO)
Sebastian Telfair 2,700,000 (ETO)

Total salaries:
27,426,752

Things to note:
Mike Miller and Craig Smith are both UFA’s after the 09-10 season.

Oklahoma City Thunder

Players under contract in 2010:
Nick Collison 6,850,000
Kevin Durant 6,053,663 (TO)
Jeff Green 4,455,988 (TO)
Russell Westbrook 4,017,720 (TO)
D.J. White 1,108,680 (TO)
Kyle Weaver 935,484

Total Salaries:
23,321,535

Things to note:
Chris Wilcox and Desmond Mason are UFA’s after the 08-09 season.
Earl Watson will be a UFA after the 09-10 season.
Johan Petro is available for a contract extension after the 08-09 season.
The Thunder only have 7,685,484 actually locked up for the 10-11 season.

Portland Trailblazers

Players under contract in 2010:
Joel Przybilla 7,405,300 (ETO)
Greg Oden 6,760,524 (TO)
LaMarcus Aldridge 7,627,499 (QO)
Brandon Roy 5,217,029 (QO)
Martell Webster 4,773,218
Jerryd Bayless 2,292,600 (TO)
Rudy Fernandez 320 1,246,680 (TO)
Nicolas Batum 1,196,760 (TO)
Sergio Rodriguez 2,338,240 (QO)

Total Salaries:
23,675,082

Things to note:
That salary figure does not include Brandon Roy or LaMarcus Aldridge, as they are in their QO offer year, which mean they will most likely get contract extensions after the 08-09 season.
Steve Blake and Martell Webester are UFA’s after the 09-10 season.
Channing Frye and Ike Diogu are up for contract extensions or will be UFA’s after the 09-10 season as well.
Basically, the Blazers total salary will only go up, and most likely significantly at that.

Utah Jazz

Players under contract in 2010:
Andrei Kirilenko 17,823,000
Deron Williams 15,202,590
C.J. Miles 3,700,000
Ronnie Brewer 3,779,571 (QO)
Kosta Koufos 1,298,640 (TO)

Total salaries:
43,559,720

Things to note:
Paul Milsap will be a UFA after the 08-09 season.
Carlos Boozer, Kyle Korver and Mehmet Okur can both opt out before the 09-10 season. Otherwise they will be UFA’s at the end of the 09-10 season.
Matt Harpring will also be a UFA after the 09-10 season.

superkegger
12-12-2008, 07:40 PM
Dallas Mavericks

Players under contract in 2010:
Dirk Nowitzki 21,513,524 (ETO)
Erick Dampier 13,078,000
Josh Howard 11,835,000
Jason Terry 9,873,000
DeSagana Diop 6,478,600
Shawne Williams 3,411,487 (QO)
Jose Barea 1,815,000 (TO)

Total Salaries with Dirk:
64,593,124

If Dirk Opts out:
43,079,600

Things to note:
Jason Kidd is a UFA after the 08-09 season.

Houston Rockets

Players under contract in 2010:
Yao Ming 17,686,100
Shane Battier 7,354,500
Carl Landry 3,000,000
Chuck Hayes 2,104,000 (TO)
Aaron Brooks 2,016,692 (TO)
Joey Dorsey 947,140

Total Salaries with Yao:
33,108,432

Total salaries if Yao opts out:
15,422,332

Things to note:
Ron Artest is a UFA after the 08-09 season
Tracy McGrady, Rafer Alston, and Luis Scola are UFA’s after the 09-10 season

Memphis Grizzlies

Players under contract in 2010:
Antoine Walker 10,498,100
Marko Jaric 7,625,000
Greg Buckner 4,277,777
O.J. Mayo 4,456,200 (TO)
Mike Conley 4,913,007 (TO)
Marc Gasol 3,480,000
Rudy Gay 4,422,784 (QO)
Hamed Haddadi 1,600,000
Kyle Lowry 2,975,164 (QO)
Darrell Arthur 1,123,680 (TO)

Total salaries:
36,743,164

Things to note:
Antoine Walker, has not played a single minute in the 08-09 campaign, and he is also not injured. He has an opt out clause after the 09-10 season. It is unknown what he’ll do, but it’s likely going to come down to a choice of does he want to play, or get paid 10 million to sit. Were he to opt out after the 09-10 season, the Grizzlies would be sitting at 26,245,064 for the 2010 off-season.

New Orleans Hornets

Players under contract in 2010:
Chris Paul 15,202,590
Predrag Stojakovic 14,256,000 (ETO)
Tyson Chandler 13,150,000 (ETO)
David West 8,287,500
Morris Peterson 6,420,720
James Posey 6,478,600
Hilton Armstrong 3,854,448 (QO)
Julian Wright 2,858,057 (TO)

Total salaries:
66,653,467

If Peja and Chandler opt out:
39,247,467

Just Peja:
52,397,467

Just Chandler
53,503,467

Things to note:
I have seen people post that Chris Paul can opt out or will be a free agent in 2010. He will NOT be on the market in the summer on 2010.

San Antonio Spurs
Tim Duncan 18,700,000
Tony Parker 13,500,000
George Hill 1,157,160 (TO)
Ian Mahinmi 1,623,959 (TO)

Total Salaries:
34,981,119

Things to note:
Manu Ginobli is a UFA after the 09-10 season.
Michael Finley, Kurt Thomas, Matt Bonner, Bruce Bowen, and Fabricio Oberto are all also UFA’s after the 09-10 season.

superkegger
12-12-2008, 07:41 PM
Chicago Bulls

Players under contract in 2010:
Kirk Hinrich- 9,000,000
Luol Deng- 11,345,000
Andres Nocioni- 7,000,000
Derrick Rose- 5,546,160 (TO)
Tyrus Thomas 6,256,806 (QO)
Joakim Noah 3,128,536 (TO)
Thabo Sefolosha 3,816,566 (QO)

Total salaries:
36,030,546.

Things to note:
Larry Hughes is a UFA after 09-10
Ben Gordon and Drew Gooden are both UFA’s after the 08-09 season.

Cleveland Cavaliers

Players under contract in 2010:
LeBron James 17,149,244 (ETO)
Marurice Williams 9,300,000
Delonte West 4,500,000
Daniel Gibson 4,015,334
J.J. Hickson 1,528,920 (TO)
Darnell Jackson 854,389 (not fully guarunteed)

Total salaries with LeBron not opting out:
37,347,886

Total salaries with LeBron opting out:
20,198,643

Things to note:
Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavolvic, Anderson Varejao and Zydrunas Illgauskas are UFA’s after the 09-10 season.

Detroit Pistons

Players under contract in 2010:
Richard Hamilton 11,333,333
Tayshaun Prince 11,148,760
Jason Maxiell 5,000,000
Rodney Stuckey 2,767,126 (TO)
Arron Afflalo 1,959,577 (TO)

Total Salaries:
32,208,796

Things to note:
Allen Iverson and Rasheed Wallace are UFA’s after the 08-09 season.
I believe Amir Johnson has signed an extension, though I am unsure.

Indiana Pacers

Players under contract in 2010:
Troy Murphy 11,968,255
Danny Granger 11,323,967
Mike Dunleavy 10,561,984
T.J. Ford 8,500,000 (ETO)
Jamaal Tinsley 7,500,000
Jeff Foster 6,666,667
Brandon Rush 2,069,040 (TO)
Roy Hibbert 1,685,280 (TO)

Total salaries with Ford:
53,257,759

Total Salaries if Ford opts out:
44,757,759

Milwaukee Bucks

Players under contract in 2010:
Michael Redd 18,300,000 (ETO)
Richard Jefferson 15,000,000 (ETO)
Andrew Bogut 12,000,000
Dan Gadzuric 7,248,325
Charlie Bell 3,851,440
Joe Alexander 2,763,600 (TO)
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute 854,389

Total Salaries:
59,055,739

Total salaries if both Redd and Jefferson opt out:
25,755,739

Just Redd:
40,755,739

Just Jefferson:
44,055,739

Things to note:
Charlie Villanueva is in the last year of his contract in the 09-10 season, and after the 08-09 season, the Bucks will either extend him or not extend him a QO, making him a UFA in 09-10.
Luke Ridnour will be a UFA after the 09-10 season.

superkegger
12-12-2008, 07:41 PM
Boston Celtics

Players under Contract in 2010:
Kevin Garnett 18,851,934
Paul Pierce 21,513,521 (ETO)
Kendrick Perkins 4,390,208
Rajon Rondo 3,018,783 (QO)
J.R. Giddens 1,100,640 (TO)
Bill Walker 854,389 (Not fully guaranteed)

Total salaries:
45,827,369
Total contracts if Paul Pierce opts out:
24,313,848

Thinkgs to note:
Ray Allen becomes a UFA after the 09-10 season.
Tony Allen becomes a UFA after the 09-10 seson.
Leon Powe and Glen Davis are UFA’s after the 08-09 season.

New Jersey Nets

Players under contract in 2010:
Vince Carter 17,522,375
Devin Harris 8,981,000
Keyon Dooling 3,828,000 (not fully guaranteed)
Eduardo Najera 3,000,000 (not fully guaranteed)
Yi Jianlian 4,050,499 (TO)
Brook Lopez 2,413,320 (TO)
Sean Williams 2,502,328 (TO)
Ryan Anderson 1,409,040 (TO)
Josh Boone 2,992,888 (QO)
Chris Douglas-Roberts 854,389 (TO)

Total Salaries:
44,138,576

Things to note:
Keyon Doolings contract is only guaranteed for $500,000 in 10-11 season, thus if he is cut before then, that is all he will be paid. Najera’s is guaranteed for 2.5 million. But with the plethora of team options, getting enough cap room to offer a max deal wouldn’t be hard.

New York Knicks

Players under contract in 2010:
Eddy Curry 11,276,863 (ETO)
Jarred Jeffries 6,883,800 (ETO)
Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560 (TO)
Wilson Chandler 2,130,482 (TO)

Total salaries:
23,595,305

Things to note:
While only 23,595,305 is committed for the 2010-2011 season, it is only spread across 4 players, who thus far this year have a combined 18 starts (all coming from Wilson Chandler). If the Knicks were lucky, they could actually have 0 salaries, but it is unlikely Curry or Jeffries would walk away from that kind of money.
Nate Robinson and David Lee are both available to sign contract extensions after the 08-09 seasons.
Chris Duhon, Al Harrington, and Quentin Richardson become UFA’s after the 09-10 season.

Philadelphia 76ers

Players under contract in 2010:
Elton Brand 15,959,100
Samuel Dalembert 13,012,823
Andre Iguodala 12,345,250
Reggie Evans 5,080,000
Louis Williams 5,000,000
Willie Green 3,976,000 (ETO)
Thaddeus Young 2,901,241 (TO)
Marreese Speights 280 1,773,960 (TO)
Jason Smith 2,187,913 (TO)

Total salaries:
61,348,437

Things to note:
Andre Miller is a UFA after the 08-09 season.

Toronto Raptors

Players under contract in 2010:
Chris Bosh 17,149,243 (ETO)
Jose Calderon 9,000,000
Jason Kapono 6,641,440 (ETO)
Andrea Bargnani 8,485,738 (QO)
Kris Humphries 3,200,000
Roko Ukic 1,450,000

Total salaries:
37,440,068

Total salaries if Bosh opts out:
20,290,825

Things to note:
Jermaine O’Neal is a UFA after the 09-10 season.
Anthony Parker is a UFA after the 08-09 season.
Andrea Bargnani is up for either an extension, or will be denied an extension and will become a UFA after the 09-10 season.

superkegger
12-12-2008, 07:41 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Players under contract in 2010:
Josh Smith- 11,600,000
Al Horford- 5,444,857 (TO)
Maurice Evans- 2,500,000 (ETO))
Acie Law- 2,940,844 (TO)

Total salaries:
22,485,701

Things to note:
Joe Johnson becomes an unrestricted free agent (UFA) after the 2009-2010 season.
At the end of the 2008-2009 Marvin Williams becomes a restricted FA, if not signed to an extension, he becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 2010 season.

Charlotte Bobcats

Players under contract in 2010:
Emeka Okafor 11,495,000
Gerald Wallace 9,500,000
Boris Diaw 9,000,000
Nazr Mohammed 6,883,800 (PO)
Matt Carroll 4,300,000
Adam Morrison 6,897,484 (QO)
D.J. Augustin 2,540,400
Alexis Ajinca 1,467,840

Total salaries:
44,127,075

Things to note:
Raymond Felton and Sean May both are up for contract extensions after the 08-09 season.
Raja Bell is a UFA after the 09-10 season.

Miami Heat
Players under contract in 2010:
Dwyane Wade 17,149,244 (ETO)
Michael Beasley 4,962,240 (TO)
Marcus Banks 4,847,586
James Jones 4,650,000
Daequan Cook 2,169,857 (TO)
Mario Chalmers 854,389 (TO)

Total salaries with Wade:
34,537,729

Total salaries if Wade opts out:
17,388,486

Things to note:
Shawn Marion is a UFA after the 08-09 season.
Udonis Haslem is a UFA after the 09-10 season.

Orlando Magic

Players under contract in 2010:
Rashard Lewis 19,573,711
Dwight Howard 16,647,180
Jameer Nelson 7,700,000
Mickael Pietrus 6,148,000
J.J. Redick 3,887,150 (QO)
Courtney Lee 1,352,640 (TO)

Total salaries:
51,421,531

Things to note:
Hedo Turkoglu has a ETO for the 09-10 season, and could opt out and resign, or he could become a UFA in the summer of 2010.

Washington Wizards

Players under contract in 2010:
Gilbert Arenas 17,730,693
Antawn Jamison 13,358,905
Caron Butler 10,811,960
Darius Songaila 4,818,000 (ETO)
DeShawn Stevenson 4,151,786 (ETO)
Andray Blatche 3,260,331
Nick Young 2,630,503 (TO)
Oleksiy Pecherov 2,380,270 (TO)
JaVale McGee 1,601,040 (TO)

Total Salaries:
62,769,494

Things to note:
Etan Thomas and Brendan Haywood will both be UFA’s after the 09-10 season.

DenButsu
12-12-2008, 08:45 PM
PSD NBA Forum posters, please take note:

superkegger has the official stamp of approval from the NBA mods on this thread, and we ask that you please do not create additional 2010 free agency threads unless there is some outstanding news development that actually merits its own thread.

All 2010 talk should take place here.

Thank you, and thanks superkegger for the very nice work on this! :clap:

ink
12-12-2008, 10:05 PM
:clap:

Excellent superkegger. Thanks. We'll keep this on the front page and sticky if necessary. From here on we'll merge all 2010 threads with this one so people will always have reference information. Nicely done!

superkegger
12-12-2008, 11:04 PM
PSD NBA Forum posters, please take note:

superkegger has the official stamp of approval from the NBA mods on this thread, and we ask that you please do not create additional 2010 free agency threads unless there is some outstanding news development that actually merits its own thread.

All 2010 talk should take place here.

Thank you, and thanks superkegger for the very nice work on this! :clap:


:clap:

Excellent superkegger. Thanks. We'll keep this on the front page and sticky if necessary. From here on we'll merge all 2010 threads with this one so people will always have reference information. Nicely done!

Thanks guys.

And a couple of interesting things I found while doing all this.

1. Oklahoma City Thunder. They are going to be sitting in a spot, where they can just pick up the team options on their players, and still be at about only 23 million in total salaries as of right now. Add in whoever they get in this years draft, which will be a high pick, and they could be a very good team in 2010-2011.
2. New York Knicks. Didn't really realize how big of a transformation Donnie Walsh had made already. They still have work to do to ensure they've got talent and not just money to allure guys, but they certainly look to be in a much better position than say, 1 year ago.
3. Andrea Bargnani. I think he is the lynchpin to the Raptors future. Either they get value for him in a trade that makes them better and keeps bosh there, or he somehow turns a corner and becomes a real impact player and keeps bosh in Toronto. but if he keeps on this course, the raptors will be in a tough spot, because resigning him wouldn't be a good use of money, and letting him go for nothing discards a potentially useful trading chip. Bosh's future kinda hangs in the balance as to what Bargnani does, or gets done with him.
4. San Antonio Spurs. That FO continues to wow me with their intelligence. I don't know if they had the foresight, or if it is just chance, but they're set up to make a run at somebody if they want to, and me personally, I think they will. It's got to be hard to refuse playing for a team with Tim Duncan and Tony Parker, and their 4 Championships. How can you turn down the money and winning?
5. Golden State, Washington, Clippers, and Indiana Pacers. All teams that are not very good, who have bad cap situations, and who don't look like they're going to make any noise anytime soon.

LeBrowns
12-13-2008, 01:05 AM
did we really need another one....can we just completely ban 2010 stories until next season?

superkegger
12-13-2008, 01:08 AM
did we really need another one....can we just completely ban 2010 stories until next season?

we could, but people are still going to bring them up. So its easier to just funnel them all to one thread.

JordansBulls
12-13-2008, 01:48 AM
Great Job on this. I will sticky it so that it is up.

DenButsu
12-13-2008, 05:23 AM
did we really need another one....

This isn't just "another one". This is the one.


can we just completely ban 2010 stories until next season?

No. This is now and will continue to be one of the hottest ongoing topics in the NBA, and so we need a place to discuss it since nobody is going to stop talking about it - no matter how much you might dread hearing talk of LeBron leaving Cleveland.

Anybody who wishes not to discuss this topic is welcome to not post in or read this thread. And as Ink said, anybody who posts additional 2010 threads will find that they will soon be merged into this one, so please just don't do it. Thanks. :cool:

sportsnutzz
12-17-2008, 01:56 PM
Nice work superkegger :clap:

I Am Awesome-O
12-17-2008, 03:03 PM
Dallas Mavericks

Players under contract in 2010:
Dirk Nowitzki 21,513,524 (ETO)
Erick Dampier 13,078,000
Josh Howard 11,835,000
Jason Terry 9,873,000
DeSagana Diop 6,478,600
Shawne Williams 3,411,487 (QO)
Jose Barea 1,815,000 (TO)

Total Salaries with Dirk:
64,593,124

If Dirk Opts out:
43,079,600

Things to note:
Jason Kidd is a UFA after the 08-09 season.

Houston Rockets

Players under contract in 2010:
Yao Ming 17,686,100
Shane Battier 7,354,500
Carl Landry 3,000,000
Chuck Hayes 2,104,000 (TO)
Aaron Brooks 2,016,692 (TO)
Joey Dorsey 947,140

Total Salaries with Yao:
33,108,432

Total salaries if Yao opts out:
15,422,332

Things to note:
Ron Artest is a UFA after the 08-09 season
Tracy McGrady, Rafer Alston, and Luis Scola are UFA’s after the 09-10 season

Memphis Grizzlies

Players under contract in 2010:
Antoine Walker 10,498,100
Marko Jaric 7,625,000
Greg Buckner 4,277,777
O.J. Mayo 4,456,200 (TO)
Mike Conley 4,913,007 (TO)
Marc Gasol 3,480,000
Rudy Gay 4,422,784 (QO)
Hamed Haddadi 1,600,000
Kyle Lowry 2,975,164 (QO)
Darrell Arthur 1,123,680 (TO)

Total salaries:
36,743,164

Things to note:
Antoine Walker, has not played a single minute in the 08-09 campaign, and he is also not injured. He has an opt out clause after the 09-10 season. It is unknown what he’ll do, but it’s likely going to come down to a choice of does he want to play, or get paid 10 million to sit. Were he to opt out after the 09-10 season, the Grizzlies would be sitting at 26,245,064 for the 2010 off-season.

New Orleans Hornets

Players under contract in 2010:
Chris Paul 15,202,590
Predrag Stojakovic 14,256,000 (ETO)
Tyson Chandler 13,150,000 (ETO)
David West 8,287,500
Morris Peterson 6,420,720
James Posey 6,478,600
Hilton Armstrong 3,854,448 (QO)
Julian Wright 2,858,057 (TO)

Total salaries:
66,653,467

If Peja and Chandler opt out:
39,247,467

Just Peja:
52,397,467

Just Chandler
53,503,467

Things to note:
I have seen people post that Chris Paul can opt out or will be a free agent in 2010. He will NOT be on the market in the summer on 2010.

San Antonio Spurs
Tim Duncan 18,700,000
Tony Parker 13,500,000
George Hill 1,157,160 (TO)
Ian Mahinmi 1,623,959 (TO)

Total Salaries:
34,981,119

Things to note:
Manu Ginobli is a UFA after the 09-10 season.
Michael Finley, Kurt Thomas, Matt Bonner, Bruce Bowen, and Fabricio Oberto are all also UFA’s after the 09-10 season.

The Grizzlies are the ones that had the option on Walker after THIS season, not vice versa. Even though he is about to be bought out, he wouldn't have been on the Grizzlies roster regardless because they would never in a million years pick up his option. That's why most people think it was a bad idea to buy him out because he was an expiring contract. But the Grizzlies have an enormous amount of cap room as it is, so they don't need Walker to facilitate trades. Anyways, 26,245,064 is the amount of cap space they will be looking at in 2010 as of right now.

Other than that, great work man.

still1ballin
12-17-2008, 03:46 PM
great job keg!!!

superkegger
12-17-2008, 04:04 PM
The Grizzlies are the ones that had the option on Walker after THIS season, not vice versa. Even though he is about to be bought out, he wouldn't have been on the Grizzlies roster regardless because they would never in a million years pick up his option. That's why most people think it was a bad idea to buy him out because he was an expiring contract. But the Grizzlies have an enormous amount of cap room as it is, so they don't need Walker to facilitate trades. Anyways, 26,245,064 is the amount of cap space they will be looking at in 2010 as of right now.

Other than that, great work man.

According to the site I went off of, http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm
they say Toine has a player option after this season.

hoopshype has him listed as a team option, but they're the only one, and they've been known for being somewhat unreilable.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis.htm

hoopsworld has him listed as a player option after this season.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9190

SI, from 06-07 list Toine as having a ETO after 09 season
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/salaries/heat.html


From everything I can tell, Toine has a player option after the 08-09 season. If you can show me otherwise, from a credible source, cool, but from everything I've been able to gather, he's got a player option.

MagicBucsSox
12-17-2008, 04:34 PM
kobe can opt out this summer

we want amare back home come '10

bostncelts34
12-22-2008, 11:20 AM
Great work superkegger, considering your a laker fan and all....

lol jk man, amazing job. :clap:

UofA
12-24-2008, 02:03 PM
for how many other threads were created about 2010, I'm surprised there's still only two pages in this official thread

IBleedPurple
12-24-2008, 02:52 PM
:clap:

Excellent superkegger. Thanks. We'll keep this on the front page and sticky if necessary. From here on we'll merge all 2010 threads with this one so people will always have reference information. Nicely done!

Agreed. Thank you for ending the madness, and posting all of the player and team info. Great thread.

njnets
12-24-2008, 03:10 PM
for how many other threads were created about 2010, I'm surprised there's still only two pages in this official thread

i was thinking the same thing. maybe this deters 2010 talk. at least it stops the pointless threads of the same thing over and over again.

Rome
12-27-2008, 08:22 PM
Least people will know where to post 2010 things now and not make a billion threads. Good **** superkegger.

Suns will look totally changed. come 2010. The NBA will definitely look a lot different.

Giaps
01-09-2009, 01:08 AM
Specifically, how much can they get in a max contract in 2010 by signing with another team (not their own)? How much will they be making on a yearly basis?

Fear_GAS_OLDier
01-09-2009, 01:20 AM
Close thread

Giaps
01-09-2009, 01:43 AM
Close thread
Why's that buddy? I'm asking a simple question. A max contract today won't be as much as a max contract in 2010. I'm curious to see how much 1 player will cost against the salary cap.

Vinny642
01-09-2009, 01:57 AM
wasn't Mark Texeria like 180 for 8 years... kinda high.
CC Sabathia got hella cash too, but in NBA they are smart and have salary caps, Lebron should make somewhere from 20-30 Million, I think not sure though.

DerekRE_3
01-09-2009, 01:59 AM
Why's that buddy? I'm asking a simple question. A max contract today won't be as much as a max contract in 2010. I'm curious to see how much 1 player will cost against the salary cap.

Not sure but, the max for a player depends on how long they have played in the NBA. The more a player has been in the league, the higher the max is. What the max is also depends on the salary cap. The more years in the NBA player has, the higher the percentage of the cap his contract can take up.

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-09-2009, 02:05 AM
Not sure but, the max for a player depends on how long they have played in the NBA. The more a player has been in the league, the higher the max is. What the max is also depends on the salary cap. The more years in the NBA player has, the higher the percentage of the cap his contract can take up.

Exactly. They have all been in the league the same amount of years so their max offers would all be the same.

$KnicksAndKobe$
01-09-2009, 02:12 AM
17m

Giaps
01-09-2009, 02:14 AM
Not sure but, the max for a player depends on how long they have played in the NBA. The more a player has been in the league, the higher the max is. What the max is also depends on the salary cap. The more years in the NBA player has, the higher the percentage of the cap his contract can take up.
I know, that's why I ask. They are all making the same exact amount of money to the penny today and they will likely make the same money to the penny in 2010.

I'm wondering how much of the salary cap 1 of their max contract will eat up.

Ex: $65.5 million salary cap and Lebron Makes $22 million

mjt20mik
01-09-2009, 02:27 AM
Probably around the vicinity of like 19-23 million.

carter15
01-09-2009, 02:35 AM
i think the answers so far are right around it...i no its more then 21 million...my first hunch was 22 or 23 million a year.

MoBASS
01-09-2009, 01:07 PM
around $22 million a year:

5 years $110 million with another team
6 years $130 million with their own team

GregOden#1
01-09-2009, 01:22 PM
It's a percentage of the salary cap. I think around 30%. Rashard got a max 18 million with bird rights, which I think is a bit higher than he'd get from a team outright signing him without a S&T. So I'd say 18 million is a good bet.

That's this year though, it might actually go down with NBA revenue going into the tank.

davg31
01-09-2009, 01:29 PM
Close thread

lol. must be the quickest I have ever seen anyone say close thread. No answer or anything first

MagicBucsSox
01-09-2009, 01:33 PM
bosh & melo dont deserve the max deal they gon get unlike bron wade n yao(cause he's gonna bring in crazy revenue)

MJ-BULLS
01-19-2009, 07:10 PM
bosh and melo are good but they deserve a good contract when they become free agents

Kingsade
01-19-2009, 11:45 PM
$20 million average?
$25 million?

Raps18-19 Champ
01-20-2009, 12:00 AM
Ild give Bosh $20+mil. Maybe even $25+ if someone matches our offer

Kyle916
01-20-2009, 05:48 AM
bosh & melo dont deserve the max deal they gon get unlike bron wade n yao(cause he's gonna bring in crazy revenue)

Bosh definitely does.

D Roses Bulls
01-20-2009, 07:08 PM
i know this could belong in the Bulls forum, but i wanted a broader view of what everyone thinks. with all the talk about lebron, maybe nash, and chris bosh going to the knicks in the summer of 2010, who do you think the Bulls could lure in free agency that summer as well with a core of young talent like they have and a star in the making in derrick rose. whats everyones thought?

More shats!
01-20-2009, 07:12 PM
A Scrub.

Bulls4Lyfe
01-20-2009, 07:14 PM
not dwade, lebron, amare, or bosh

D Roses Bulls
01-20-2009, 07:21 PM
well i think if lebron ever wanted to build on his comparisons to mj which i think there are none he would maybe consider since chicago is a large market and because he's stated he likes derrick rose. i know chicago is on his list even though i dont think he will go there. wade, well theres only a chance because he is from chicago and he likes wade and that would be something to have the back court full of two stars from chicago. i think out of every star though i think they would have the best chance at signing maybe amare for the fact that bosh, wade, lebron will be the the three bigs and amare will be almost like a 5th wheel and i think he would love to play with another up and comming point guard because look at performance lately since steve nash's play has gone down. i think thats there best chance.

Master Mind
01-20-2009, 07:31 PM
T-Mac

rapswin98
01-20-2009, 07:33 PM
A Scrub.i hope so

Tblaze
01-20-2009, 07:40 PM
Maybe amare or something, but you won't win any championship with him on your team. Inside defence will still suck badly.

Draco
01-20-2009, 07:52 PM
I'd like to see more Suns games to see how bad Amare's defense really is. I wonder if it would help pairing him with Noah or TT.

DocUSN
01-20-2009, 07:59 PM
come on bulls fourm man.... there is an offical 2010 thread as well.

MiamiHeat
01-20-2009, 08:17 PM
well i think if lebron ever wanted to build on his comparisons to mj which i think there are none he would maybe consider since chicago is a large market and because he's stated he likes derrick rose. i know chicago is on his list even though i dont think he will go there. wade, well theres only a chance because he is from chicago and he likes wade and that would be something to have the back court full of two stars from chicago. i think out of every star though i think they would have the best chance at signing maybe amare for the fact that bosh, wade, lebron will be the the three bigs and amare will be almost like a 5th wheel and i think he would love to play with another up and comming point guard because look at performance lately since steve nash's play has gone down. i think thats there best chance.

for that reason he won't go to Chicago
why would he want to follow MJ and be the shadow of MJ?
don't you think he wants to create his own legacy

Bg7getclutch
01-20-2009, 08:30 PM
Dwayne wade will come to chicago. I would love to see bosh come to chicago. Either way, derrick rose pairing up with any of them will be a sick combo. I cant believe people thought that beasely was better than rose, if the bulls had beasely right now, the bulls would have been in big trouble.

wwwhat
01-20-2009, 08:30 PM
How about Joe Johnson? He's nearly a superstar, but is not well known and seems rather soft-spoken so a slightly smaller market (EG not LA or Boston) would be perfect for him. Derrick Rose and Joe Johnson would be one of the best back courts in the league.

Bg7getclutch
01-20-2009, 08:34 PM
^ I always forget about joe johnson. He's an excellent player that doesn't get enough credit for what he does.

HOZ THE KNICK
01-20-2009, 08:34 PM
is this a chicago thread?

JordansBulls
01-20-2009, 08:56 PM
i know this could belong in the Bulls forum, but i wanted a broader view of what everyone thinks. with all the talk about lebron, maybe nash, and chris bosh going to the knicks in the summer of 2010, who do you think the Bulls could lure in free agency that summer as well with a core of young talent like they have and a star in the making in derrick rose. whats everyones thought?

Hopefully Amare and Joe Johnson.

Nighthawk
01-20-2009, 08:58 PM
They will sign Scalabrine. He's a FA in 2010

what54!?
01-20-2009, 09:00 PM
Hopefully not Bosh or amare if we can get one of them

rapswin98
01-20-2009, 09:02 PM
is this a chicago thread?oh good im not the only one who is thinking about the same question

jayl1377
01-20-2009, 09:17 PM
any combination of wade/joe johnson and amare/bosh

Master Mind
01-20-2009, 09:39 PM
Dwayne wade will come to chicago. I would love to see bosh come to chicago. Either way, derrick rose pairing up with any of them will be a sick combo. I cant believe people thought that beasely was better than rose, if the bulls had beasely right now, the bulls would have been in big trouble.

Don't jump the gun just yet buddy...Beasley is gaining steam--give him some more time...It takes bigs more time to get acclimated to the league than guards...

Master Mind
01-20-2009, 09:40 PM
any combination of wade/joe johnson and amare/bosh

How about no combination...Maybe just one big name...

Wilson
01-20-2009, 09:45 PM
I don't think the Bulls should go after LeBron, Wade or Joe Johnson. All those guys are ball handlers, so it'd be very difficult for them to find chemistry with Derrick Rose. The most logical player for the Bulls would be Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire.

xabial
01-20-2009, 10:10 PM
Jerome James New york knicks
Player option for 2009-2010 $6.6 Million dollars.

Bench player doesnt play a lot, nearly injured every season. Only played 10 minutes this season. In the past 2 seasons he only played 15 minutes across four games. Although he is a total scrub how could you give away 6.6M for just sitting on the bench?

*update* out this whole season after rupturing his right Achilles tendon Jan 20 09
Injured agian?

hotpotato1092
01-21-2009, 03:02 AM
Basically, where do you all see the major free agents going? Here are my projections:

LeBron James: Cleveland Cavaliers. I think he's staying put. He'll make a ton of money no matter where he is, and you never leave a team that talented to go to a team as bad as the knicks, even if both he and Bosh sign there there's no guarentee that they're as good as the Cavs are now. It's gonna drag out really long which I think could really hurt the knicks pursuit of other players, and we're gonna get at least two false reports of LeBron agreeing to come to New York or Miami or Detroit or wherever, but I think in the end he stays.

Dwayne Wade: San Antonio Spurs: Here's my shocker. They have cap room with Manu expiring, and they aren't known for big free agent signings. That said, Duncan will be towards the end of his career, so they will recognize that they need a new face of the franchise. I think Duncan talks Wade into the idea of fighting for titles with him and Parker for 3 or 4 years before Duncan retires. I think he signs only for 3 years because he knows that when Duncan breaks down he'll want out. Anyway that's my big shocker of the 2010 free agency.

Chris Bosh: New York Knicks: After missing out on LeBron and Wade the Knicks "settle" on Bosh as their marquee signing. He's a perfect fit as a center for D'antoni because of his freakish athleticism, and I think he wants to go to a bigger market than Toronto to show just how good he really is.

Yao Ming: Houston Rockets: He's staying, no way Houston lets him get away. Honestly he's overrated as a player, but he makes them more money than any player makes their team because of his chinease marketability, no way Houston lets him sniff free agency.

Amare Stoudemire: New Jersey Nets: Jay Z will make his push for LeBron but ultimately without the Brooklyn stadium being ready (and the fact that it may never be ready) LeBron will stay. They were never really a major player for Wade because of Harris and VC so they turn their attention to Amare. I'd be thrilled to have a long term nucleus of Haris-Amare-Brook-whatever lottery pick they get this year.

Dirk Nowitzki: Dallas Mavericks: I'm fairly certain he already said he's staying, and he's gonna take a big pay cut so that they can sign another marquee free agent.

Kobe Bryant: L.A Lakers: He's staying, he has no reason to leave.

Michael Redd: Dallas Mavericks: He's a lock to leave IMO, he's gonna want a chance to win that he simply won't get in New Orleans. Dirk, Josh Howard and Redd could do some serious damage in the west.

Joe Johnson: New York Knicks: The Knicks second major signing. He played great under D'antoni once, I think he joins Bosh in New York to try to bring the title to MSG. They didn't get LeBron, but they did get two very good players.

Paul Pierce: Boston Celtics: He's a celtic for life, he's going nowhere.

Tyson Chandler: Detroit Pistons: They cleared cap space for LeBron, LeBron wasn't interested. Neither was Wade. Or Bosh. Or Amare. Or Yao. The point is not many top tier free agents want to play in the city of Detroit, it's simply not as desirable as New York or other big markets. Someone will take their money, but I think they have to settle for Tyson.

Manu Ginobli: Miami Heat: I think that Miami panics after losing Wade and goes out and gives Manu a much bigger contract that he deserves. Don't get me wrong he's a very good player, but he's getting older and he was never really a franchise player. Beasley will be the franchise player by then.

Steve Nash: Dallas Mavericks: Here's another somewhat shocker. Nash and Dirk are best friends, both are DESPERATE for a title, and Nash is going to be one of the last major free agents on the market because nobody will give him a max deal at his age and health. Dirk's gonna call him in late July and say "look, we're both getting older but we can still play, we won't have many more chances to win a title, come back to Dallas for the mid level exception and maybe we can win one together". I think Nash jumps at that chance and they compete for a few years with Howard, Redd, Nash and Dirk.

Tracy McGrady: Phoenix Suns: I just feel like Tmac's not gonna have much opportunity, he's always hurt and he's never gotten past round one. Phoenix will need someone to put fans in the seats so they'll sign him to keep fans interested during the rebuilding process. Phoenix will have cap room so I think they'll try to get someone after losing practically their entire team.

Shaq: L.A Lakers: another shocker here, Shaq said earlier this season that he's not opposed to a return to the Lakers. I think he goes back as the 6th man, he plays 25 minutes off the bench for Pau and Bynum and Kobe and Shaq have a chance to win one more title together.

Anyway that's how I think it's going down, how do you all?

twoearl
01-21-2009, 03:31 AM
^ i disagree with the pistons not nabbing anyone in 2010. The pistons are a stable franchise with good leadership. Just because they dont have the big lights of NY or the beaches that Miami or LA has dosent mean they cant draw players.

Look at thier potential team starters, stuckey, rip and tayshawn all they need is a great big man and they are finals contenders in the east.

i think JD is targeting Amare or BOSH. I guarantee one of those players will be wearing a pistons jersey in 2010.

AirJordanXVIII
01-21-2009, 06:58 PM
Gimme Joe Johnson for the Sixers.

njnets
01-25-2009, 12:39 PM
ok my friends keep telling me that they saw a lebron james update about 2 weeks ago saying he signed an extension through 2011. but sporting news has a big 2010 article about him. doesn't he have an OPTION for 2011 aka that he will not pick it up? an answer would be nice because im starting to doubt myself because it was like 5 vs 1 in the arguement i had lol.

b_rad23
01-25-2009, 03:08 PM
He has a player option for 2010-2011 but he makes more money if he opts out and signs a new deal. He will opt-out.

MiamiHeat
01-25-2009, 07:50 PM
Basically, where do you all see the major free agents going? Here are my projections:

LeBron James: Cleveland Cavaliers. I think he's staying put. He'll make a ton of money no matter where he is, and you never leave a team that talented to go to a team as bad as the knicks, even if both he and Bosh sign there there's no guarentee that they're as good as the Cavs are now. It's gonna drag out really long which I think could really hurt the knicks pursuit of other players, and we're gonna get at least two false reports of LeBron agreeing to come to New York or Miami or Detroit or wherever, but I think in the end he stays.

Dwayne Wade: San Antonio Spurs: Here's my shocker. They have cap room with Manu expiring, and they aren't known for big free agent signings. That said, Duncan will be towards the end of his career, so they will recognize that they need a new face of the franchise. I think Duncan talks Wade into the idea of fighting for titles with him and Parker for 3 or 4 years before Duncan retires. I think he signs only for 3 years because he knows that when Duncan breaks down he'll want out. Anyway that's my big shocker of the 2010 free agency.

Chris Bosh: New York Knicks: After missing out on LeBron and Wade the Knicks "settle" on Bosh as their marquee signing. He's a perfect fit as a center for D'antoni because of his freakish athleticism, and I think he wants to go to a bigger market than Toronto to show just how good he really is.

Yao Ming: Houston Rockets: He's staying, no way Houston lets him get away. Honestly he's overrated as a player, but he makes them more money than any player makes their team because of his chinease marketability, no way Houston lets him sniff free agency.

Amare Stoudemire: New Jersey Nets: Jay Z will make his push for LeBron but ultimately without the Brooklyn stadium being ready (and the fact that it may never be ready) LeBron will stay. They were never really a major player for Wade because of Harris and VC so they turn their attention to Amare. I'd be thrilled to have a long term nucleus of Haris-Amare-Brook-whatever lottery pick they get this year.

Dirk Nowitzki: Dallas Mavericks: I'm fairly certain he already said he's staying, and he's gonna take a big pay cut so that they can sign another marquee free agent.

Kobe Bryant: L.A Lakers: He's staying, he has no reason to leave.

Michael Redd: Dallas Mavericks: He's a lock to leave IMO, he's gonna want a chance to win that he simply won't get in New Orleans. Dirk, Josh Howard and Redd could do some serious damage in the west.

Joe Johnson: New York Knicks: The Knicks second major signing. He played great under D'antoni once, I think he joins Bosh in New York to try to bring the title to MSG. They didn't get LeBron, but they did get two very good players.

Paul Pierce: Boston Celtics: He's a celtic for life, he's going nowhere.

Tyson Chandler: Detroit Pistons: They cleared cap space for LeBron, LeBron wasn't interested. Neither was Wade. Or Bosh. Or Amare. Or Yao. The point is not many top tier free agents want to play in the city of Detroit, it's simply not as desirable as New York or other big markets. Someone will take their money, but I think they have to settle for Tyson.

Manu Ginobli: Miami Heat: I think that Miami panics after losing Wade and goes out and gives Manu a much bigger contract that he deserves. Don't get me wrong he's a very good player, but he's getting older and he was never really a franchise player. Beasley will be the franchise player by then.

Steve Nash: Dallas Mavericks: Here's another somewhat shocker. Nash and Dirk are best friends, both are DESPERATE for a title, and Nash is going to be one of the last major free agents on the market because nobody will give him a max deal at his age and health. Dirk's gonna call him in late July and say "look, we're both getting older but we can still play, we won't have many more chances to win a title, come back to Dallas for the mid level exception and maybe we can win one together". I think Nash jumps at that chance and they compete for a few years with Howard, Redd, Nash and Dirk.

Tracy McGrady: Phoenix Suns: I just feel like Tmac's not gonna have much opportunity, he's always hurt and he's never gotten past round one. Phoenix will need someone to put fans in the seats so they'll sign him to keep fans interested during the rebuilding process. Phoenix will have cap room so I think they'll try to get someone after losing practically their entire team.

Shaq: L.A Lakers: another shocker here, Shaq said earlier this season that he's not opposed to a return to the Lakers. I think he goes back as the 6th man, he plays 25 minutes off the bench for Pau and Bynum and Kobe and Shaq have a chance to win one more title together.

Anyway that's how I think it's going down, how do you all?

:eyebrow:

:crazy:

what54!?
01-26-2009, 03:58 PM
Basically, where do you all see the major free agents going? Here are my projections:

LeBron James: Cleveland Cavaliers. I think he's staying put. He'll make a ton of money no matter where he is, and you never leave a team that talented to go to a team as bad as the knicks, even if both he and Bosh sign there there's no guarentee that they're as good as the Cavs are now. It's gonna drag out really long which I think could really hurt the knicks pursuit of other players, and we're gonna get at least two false reports of LeBron agreeing to come to New York or Miami or Detroit or wherever, but I think in the end he stays.

Dwayne Wade: San Antonio Spurs: Here's my shocker. They have cap room with Manu expiring, and they aren't known for big free agent signings. That said, Duncan will be towards the end of his career, so they will recognize that they need a new face of the franchise. I think Duncan talks Wade into the idea of fighting for titles with him and Parker for 3 or 4 years before Duncan retires. I think he signs only for 3 years because he knows that when Duncan breaks down he'll want out. Anyway that's my big shocker of the 2010 free agency.
Chris Bosh: New York Knicks: After missing out on LeBron and Wade the Knicks "settle" on Bosh as their marquee signing. He's a perfect fit as a center for D'antoni because of his freakish athleticism, and I think he wants to go to a bigger market than Toronto to show just how good he really is.

Yao Ming: Houston Rockets: He's staying, no way Houston lets him get away. Honestly he's overrated as a player, but he makes them more money than any player makes their team because of his chinease marketability, no way Houston lets him sniff free agency.

Amare Stoudemire: New Jersey Nets: Jay Z will make his push for LeBron but ultimately without the Brooklyn stadium being ready (and the fact that it may never be ready) LeBron will stay. They were never really a major player for Wade because of Harris and VC so they turn their attention to Amare. I'd be thrilled to have a long term nucleus of Haris-Amare-Brook-whatever lottery pick they get this year.

Dirk Nowitzki: Dallas Mavericks: I'm fairly certain he already said he's staying, and he's gonna take a big pay cut so that they can sign another marquee free agent.

Kobe Bryant: L.A Lakers: He's staying, he has no reason to leave.

Michael Redd: Dallas Mavericks: He's a lock to leave IMO, he's gonna want a chance to win that he simply won't get in New Orleans. Dirk, Josh Howard and Redd could do some serious damage in the west.

Joe Johnson: New York Knicks: The Knicks second major signing. He played great under D'antoni once, I think he joins Bosh in New York to try to bring the title to MSG. They didn't get LeBron, but they did get two very good players.

Paul Pierce: Boston Celtics: He's a celtic for life, he's going nowhere.

Tyson Chandler: Detroit Pistons: They cleared cap space for LeBron, LeBron wasn't interested. Neither was Wade. Or Bosh. Or Amare. Or Yao. The point is not many top tier free agents want to play in the city of Detroit, it's simply not as desirable as New York or other big markets. Someone will take their money, but I think they have to settle for Tyson.

Manu Ginobli: Miami Heat: I think that Miami panics after losing Wade and goes out and gives Manu a much bigger contract that he deserves. Don't get me wrong he's a very good player, but he's getting older and he was never really a franchise player. Beasley will be the franchise player by then.
Steve Nash: Dallas Mavericks: Here's another somewhat shocker. Nash and Dirk are best friends, both are DESPERATE for a title, and Nash is going to be one of the last major free agents on the market because nobody will give him a max deal at his age and health. Dirk's gonna call him in late July and say "look, we're both getting older but we can still play, we won't have many more chances to win a title, come back to Dallas for the mid level exception and maybe we can win one together". I think Nash jumps at that chance and they compete for a few years with Howard, Redd, Nash and Dirk.

Tracy McGrady: Phoenix Suns: I just feel like Tmac's not gonna have much opportunity, he's always hurt and he's never gotten past round one. Phoenix will need someone to put fans in the seats so they'll sign him to keep fans interested during the rebuilding process. Phoenix will have cap room so I think they'll try to get someone after losing practically their entire team.

Shaq: L.A Lakers: another shocker here, Shaq said earlier this season that he's not opposed to a return to the Lakers. I think he goes back as the 6th man, he plays 25 minutes off the bench for Pau and Bynum and Kobe and Shaq have a chance to win one more title together.

Anyway that's how I think it's going down, how do you all?uh sorry buddy I think wade is staying right where he is. The heat are building a good young team here with young player. Why would wade leave for a aging team who be even older by then? (I'm not saying TD won't be able to get the job done anymore but still). The heat are going to give wade all the money he could want. With beasley having two years under is belt and if the heat land bosh or amare the heat will be in good shape.

HOZ THE KNICK
01-27-2009, 08:37 AM
i want amare and joe johnson.

Sox Appeal
01-27-2009, 06:45 PM
Basically, where do you all see the major free agents going? Here are my projections:

LeBron James: Cleveland Cavaliers. I think he's staying put. He'll make a ton of money no matter where he is, and you never leave a team that talented to go to a team as bad as the knicks, even if both he and Bosh sign there there's no guarentee that they're as good as the Cavs are now. It's gonna drag out really long which I think could really hurt the knicks pursuit of other players, and we're gonna get at least two false reports of LeBron agreeing to come to New York or Miami or Detroit or wherever, but I think in the end he stays.

Dwayne Wade: San Antonio Spurs: Here's my shocker. They have cap room with Manu expiring, and they aren't known for big free agent signings. That said, Duncan will be towards the end of his career, so they will recognize that they need a new face of the franchise. I think Duncan talks Wade into the idea of fighting for titles with him and Parker for 3 or 4 years before Duncan retires. I think he signs only for 3 years because he knows that when Duncan breaks down he'll want out. Anyway that's my big shocker of the 2010 free agency.

Chris Bosh: New York Knicks: After missing out on LeBron and Wade the Knicks "settle" on Bosh as their marquee signing. He's a perfect fit as a center for D'antoni because of his freakish athleticism, and I think he wants to go to a bigger market than Toronto to show just how good he really is.

Yao Ming: Houston Rockets: He's staying, no way Houston lets him get away. Honestly he's overrated as a player, but he makes them more money than any player makes their team because of his chinease marketability, no way Houston lets him sniff free agency.

Amare Stoudemire: New Jersey Nets: Jay Z will make his push for LeBron but ultimately without the Brooklyn stadium being ready (and the fact that it may never be ready) LeBron will stay. They were never really a major player for Wade because of Harris and VC so they turn their attention to Amare. I'd be thrilled to have a long term nucleus of Harris-Amare-Brook-whatever lottery pick they get this year.

Dirk Nowitzki: Dallas Mavericks: I'm fairly certain he already said he's staying, and he's gonna take a big pay cut so that they can sign another marquee free agent.

Kobe Bryant: L.A Lakers: He's staying, he has no reason to leave.

Michael Redd: Dallas Mavericks: He's a lock to leave IMO, he's gonna want a chance to win that he simply won't get in New Orleans. Dirk, Josh Howard and Redd could do some serious damage in the west.

Joe Johnson: New York Knicks: The Knicks second major signing. He played great under D'antoni once, I think he joins Bosh in New York to try to bring the title to MSG. They didn't get LeBron, but they did get two very good players.

Paul Pierce: Boston Celtics: He's a celtic for life, he's going nowhere.

Tyson Chandler: Detroit Pistons: They cleared cap space for LeBron, LeBron wasn't interested. Neither was Wade. Or Bosh. Or Amare. Or Yao. The point is not many top tier free agents want to play in the city of Detroit, it's simply not as desirable as New York or other big markets. Someone will take their money, but I think they have to settle for Tyson.

Manu Ginobli: Miami Heat: I think that Miami panics after losing Wade and goes out and gives Manu a much bigger contract that he deserves. Don't get me wrong he's a very good player, but he's getting older and he was never really a franchise player. Beasley will be the franchise player by then.

Steve Nash: Dallas Mavericks: Here's another somewhat shocker. Nash and Dirk are best friends, both are DESPERATE for a title, and Nash is going to be one of the last major free agents on the market because nobody will give him a max deal at his age and health. Dirk's gonna call him in late July and say "look, we're both getting older but we can still play, we won't have many more chances to win a title, come back to Dallas for the mid level exception and maybe we can win one together". I think Nash jumps at that chance and they compete for a few years with Howard, Redd, Nash and Dirk.

Tracy McGrady: Phoenix Suns: I just feel like Tmac's not gonna have much opportunity, he's always hurt and he's never gotten past round one. Phoenix will need someone to put fans in the seats so they'll sign him to keep fans interested during the rebuilding process. Phoenix will have cap room so I think they'll try to get someone after losing practically their entire team.

Shaq: L.A Lakers: another shocker here, Shaq said earlier this season that he's not opposed to a return to the Lakers. I think he goes back as the 6th man, he plays 25 minutes off the bench for Pau and Bynum and Kobe and Shaq have a chance to win one more title together.

Anyway that's how I think it's going down, how do you all?

:eyebrow:

Solid predictions man, nice job.

Lebron James: New York Knicks: I there's a chance he ends up staying in Cleveland, but in the end, I see him leaving for New York. With all of the cap-space the Knicks have lined up for the summer, not only would they be able to sign Lebron to the MAX, they would also have the money to go out and sign another MAX contract player. (Like Wade, Bosh, Amare, etc) And I'm sure that's something that will appeal greatly to somebody like Lebron.

Dwayne Wade: New York Knicks: I would LOVE to see Dwayne Wade coming back to Chicago and play for the Bulls, but with the way things are looking for them, they'll be an average team in 2010, and I don't see that being very appealing to Dwayne Wade when FA rolls around. So in the end, I see him surprising some people and deciding to go join Lebron in New York. Both of these players know, if they would pair up together, they would instantly have one of the best 1-2 punches in NBA history. If the Knicks could somehow add a decent big man to this lethal 1-2 combination, there's no question we could be looking at a potential dynasty.

Chris Bosh: Cleveland Cavaliers: With Lebron leaving the Cavs, they know they'll have to do something to address their need for a franchise player. Bosh will fill the need, and then some. Granted, Bosh isn't Lebron James, but when the summer of '10 rolls around, there's a chance he could end up being the best low-post scorer in the NBA. With Delonte West and Mo Williams on the perimeter, and Bosh in the post, this team would still have the pieces in place to be contending for years to come.

Yao Ming: Houston Rockets: Not much to say here. Houston loves Yao, and from what I can tell, Yao loves Houston.

Amare Stoudemire: New Jersey Nets: With Lebron deciding to sign with the Knicks, the Nets end up with what I would call a decent fall back option in Amare Stoudemire. Devin Harris has already shown he's one of the best young players in the league, and with Brook Lopez doing the same, I think an Harris - Amare - Lopez combination will be a solid one going forward.

Dirk Nowitzki: Dallas Mavericks: He's already said he plans on staying, and has even gone as far as to say that he would be willing to restructure his contract so the Mavs would have more money available in 2010. With that said, I don't see anyway of him leaving Dallas.

Kobe Bryant: L.A Lakers: I thought he was a FA this year. :shrug: Doesn't matter though, he'll sign an extension with the Lakers and this will never even be an issue.

Michael Redd: Miami Heat: With Wade ending up in New York, it's obvious the Heat will be looking for somebody who could replace Wade at SG. And I think they find a very capable replacement in Michael Redd. (I could also see Joe Johnson signing here..) Granted, Redd isn't the player that Wade is, but he's still one of the better SG's in the league, and his ability to score the basketball is as good as anybody in the league.

Joe Johnson: Atlanta Hawks: I see him staying put in Atlanta. The Hawks are already one of the better teams in the Eastern Conference and with players like Acie Law, Al Horford, Josh Smith, etc. who will all only be improving, I think by the time the summer of '10 rolls around, this team will be ready to compete for a championship. And Joe knows that. He could be the best player, on one of the best teams in the league, and that's something I see him taking full advantage of.

Paul Pierce: Boston Celtics: He's in the same situation as Kobe. I see him signing an extension before this could even become an issue. He's a Celtic for life.

Tyson Chandler: New Orleans Hornets: I see him staying put with the Hornets for the 10-11 season (he has a player option), and then testing the market the following season. Let's face it, Chandler has a pretty decent situation down in New Orleans. He's playing alongside one of the better young big men in David West, and he also has an pretty good PG in Chris Paul throwing him lobs. He would be a fool to leave the Hornets.

Manu Ginobli: San Antonio Spurs: Manu has been a HUGE reason of the Spurs success throughout the years, and I don't see why the Spurs would let him get away. Granted, he's aging, but he should still be one of the best scorers in the league when 2010 rolls around.

Steve Nash: Miami Heat: With the Knicks using their remaining cap-space on Wade, the potential reunion of he and D'Antoni goes down the drain. So he decides to sign in a pretty good situation down in South beach. He'll be joined by Michael Redd, and with Michael Beasley who (should) develop into one of the best low-poster players in league already on the roster, he'll have legitimate chance to win a title. Something that I'm sure will be appealing to Nash.

Tracy McGrady: Toronto Raptors: He'll end his career where it began, up North in Canada. The Raptors have plenty of money available in 2010 and with the all of the other "big name" free agents signing elsewhere they'll be forced to make some type of signing, especially with Bosh leaving. McGrady does that for them, and if he could stay healthy he's still one of the Top 10-15 players in the league.

Shaq: San Antonio Spurs: This signing will surprise some people, but I think this will be a PERFECT place for the Big fella to end his career. He's always praising Duncan and calling him "the second best big man in the history if the NBA", and with his already good (from what I can tell) relationship with Papovich, I couldn't think of any reasons why Shaq wouldn't want to end his career with the Spurs.

Wilson
01-27-2009, 06:50 PM
Kobe Bryant: L.A Lakers: I thought he was a FA this year. :shrug: Doesn't matter though, he'll sign an extension with the Lakers and this will never even be an issue.


He's got a player option, so there's a good chance he'll opt out to sign an extention...

aman_13
01-27-2009, 07:21 PM
Chris Bosh- resigns
Lebron James- resigns
Dwayne Wade- resigns
Amare Stoudamire- signs with Miami Heat

I know Knicks fans don't like these predictions.

Raps18-19 Champ
01-27-2009, 07:25 PM
lol imagine if all the big satrs dont sign with knicks or nets

id laugh

Wilson
01-27-2009, 08:15 PM
Chris Bosh- resigns
Lebron James- resigns
Dwayne Wade- resigns
Amare Stoudamire- signs with Miami Heat

I know Knicks fans don't like these predictions.

Amare wants to be the man, he's probably not going somewhere where there's already an established leader...

DenButsu
01-27-2009, 11:24 PM
None of these players are going to resign. Some, however, may re-sign.


(Sorry - I know everyone hates grammar cops, but this one really bugs me).
:smoking:

njnets
01-27-2009, 11:28 PM
lol imagine if all the big satrs dont sign with knicks or nets

id laugh

someone is gonna get screwed over, its inevitable. 17 teams will be able to make max offers to FA. 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats a lot of freakin teams. usually its no more than 5 per year but 17 is too many. all the teams are putting about 90% of their chips into this FA pool. so its hit or miss.

and i hope the nets don't lol. raptors are gonna have cap space too right?

Draco
01-29-2009, 10:27 PM
None of these players are going to resign. Some, however, may re-sign.


(Sorry - I know everyone hates grammar cops, but this one really bugs me).
:smoking:

In that case it should have been written.. 'Some, however, might re-sign.'

Draco
01-29-2009, 10:29 PM
Some Clevelanders may not see it, but LeBron says he's as loyal as they are. In high school, Oak Hill Academy recruited him hard, but he wanted to stay with his friends and teammates at SVSM. He admitted that his decision in 2010 will have similarities to those days.

"I'm a fan too,'' LeBron told me, before staying an extra hour after practice to shoot jump shots with Mo Williams and Daniel Gibson. "And if I'm a fan of these teams, the fans should respect that. I respect the fans that come to watch us. But you can't take the kid out of me. Ever since I was a kid, I loved the Cowboys and I loved the Yankees. This is my job, this is what I do and I respect that, but you can't take the kid out of me and tell me to stop liking the teams I grew up loving. That's like telling me I can't like Michael Jordan because he killed the Cavs a lot. That's my childhood. That's what I grew up doing.''

"I'm a loyal person,'' LeBron said. "I've always been loyal. I respect people who give me the opportunity. Right now, I think it is similar. But I'm more of a businessman now. You have to look at the business side of things. This is a business. So you look at all the options. I'm going to do what's best for my family, do what's best for my friends and do what's best for me at the end of the day.''

"Ever since I've been asked about the Cavs, I never gave any indication that I was leaving or that I wasn't happy here,'' he said. "I think the franchise has definitely done a great job of giving me a team and putting me in position to win ballgames, so I'm happy here and I look forward to getting better this year and in the years to come.''

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3866164

camador22
01-30-2009, 01:35 AM
My predictions

Lebron-Resigns

Wade-Resigns

Bosh- Going to NY

Amare- Going to Miami

J.Howard-Resigns

Redd-Goes to NJ or Toronto

Nash- Goes to NY

J.J-Resigns

McGrady- Goes to NJ with Vince

DaNtHeMaN628
02-03-2009, 06:00 PM
Guard Dwyane Wade committed to Miami Heat
All-Star guard Dwyane Wade said Tuesday he remains committed to the Miami Heat, but said he would explore all of his options should he elect to opt out of his contract and become a free agent in 2010.

BY MICHAEL WALLACE
MWALLACE@MIAMIHERALD.COM
Days after suggesting the possibility of becoming a teammate of LeBron James after the two become free agents in 2010, Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade shot down at least one potential destination for the star-studded tandem: New York.

Wade said Tuesday that he remains committed to the Heat for now and could see himself spending the rest of his career in Miami. But Wade also said he would explore all of his options should he elect to opt out of his contract and become a free agent in 2010, the same summer several of the NBA's top players have options.

James, the Cleveland Cavaliers forward, is expected to be the most sought-after free agent in 2010 as part of a class that also includes Wade, Toronto's Chris Bosh and Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire.

''Is it a possibility me and LeBron will play together? It's always a possibility,'' Wade said after the Heat's practice Tuesday at AmericanAirlines Arena. ``We're both free agents. Is it a possibility I'm going to New York? That's not a possibility in my mind.''

That's the strongest stance yet Wade has taken on his potential free agency in 2010. His comments came on the heels of a New York Post story published Friday in which Wade was quoted as saying he and James could end up as teammates.

But Wade took exception to some of the comments attributed to him in the story and said Friday that he never implied that the two would play in New York. The Knicks are among several teams that are clearing significant salary cap space to make a run at James and another top-tier free agent. The Heat also is among those teams angling to sign two players to maximum-level deals.

Wade said he takes the questions about his future in stride. But he also said his comments sometimes are taken completely out of context.

''Everybody puts their quotes where they want to put them [but], you know what you say,'' Wade said. ``I understand how things get twisted. I just laugh at it and keep going.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/594/story/886030.html
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 06:01 PM
None of this means **** until they are made offers $ talks

MiamiHeat
02-03-2009, 06:02 PM
watch people come and say everything can change when 2010 comes around

Dwyane Wade is going to play for Miami all his career

Lebron and Wade in Miami in 2010? :p

jkiddvc20
02-03-2009, 06:02 PM
Does not mean he is going to be on the Heat forever he still said he would explore his options. If he really was commited that much to the Heat he would of already signed a big 8 year contract.

CaptainCool79
02-03-2009, 06:03 PM
None of this means **** until they are made offers $ talks

agreed. and with a laker fan too.....lol

unwantedplayer
02-03-2009, 06:06 PM
We've seen many people change their minds after they say they are committed to a team, i.e. Elton Brand.

DaNtHeMaN628
02-03-2009, 06:06 PM
Does not mean he is going to be on the Heat forever he still said he would explore his options. If he really was commited that much to the Heat he would of already signed a big 8 year contract.

He stands to make more money with the contract he signed. It was to ensure he would get another max contract. Additionally, no team can offer more years or more money than Miami when his contract expires.

Hellcrooner
02-03-2009, 06:09 PM
where exactly does it say he wont play for NY ?

in fact if i was a heat fan i would be scared, because he is not saying im resinging, and worse he says he MAy pla with lebron.

well there are only TWO teams projected ro have enough cap room for two maximum contracts in 2010 Knicks and Pistons.

Big Quett
02-03-2009, 06:12 PM
Does not mean he is going to be on the Heat forever he still said he would explore his options. If he really was commited that much to the Heat he would of already signed a big 8 year contract.

The MAX number of years you can sign in the NBA is 6 years. There is no such thing as 8 year contracts anymore.

And plus the more years you have in the league the more you can make. So he, LeBron and Bosh are going to make more money this time around Then they would have had they signed the Long contract then

Gup
02-03-2009, 06:13 PM
watch people come and say everything can change when 2010 comes around

Dwyane Wade is going to play for Miami all his career

Lebron and Wade in Miami in 2010? :p

Thatd be something else... But not a chance

DaNtHeMaN628
02-03-2009, 06:13 PM
where exactly does it say he wont play for NY ?

in fact if i was a heat fan i would be scared, because he is not saying im resinging, and worse he says he MAy pla with lebron.

well there are only TWO teams projected ro have enough cap room for two maximum contracts in 2010 Knicks and Pistons.

Where he says "Is it a possibility I'm going to New York? That's not a possibility in my mind.''

Sorry if that went over your head. Also once Miami unloads Banks, they would have the cap space to sign two max contracts.

_Sn1P3r_
02-03-2009, 06:17 PM
None of this means **** until they are made offers $ talks

Haha, yeah. :cool:

NYMetros
02-03-2009, 06:18 PM
None of this means **** until they are made offers $ talks

Exactly.
People say stuff like this all the time in the sports world.
But once they finally get down to negotiating with other teams... usually the franchise that offers the most money prevails. The Knicks will most likely be the team to offer him the most money, so common sense says that the Knicks will be a major factor in every player's FA plans in 2010.

DaNtHeMaN628
02-03-2009, 06:19 PM
Haha, yeah. :cool:

Funny you would laugh considering you will lose Bosh in 2010.:rimshot:

MiamiHeat
02-03-2009, 06:20 PM
Exactly.
People say stuff like this all the time in the sports world.
But once they finally get down to negotiating with other teams... usually the franchise that offers the most money prevails. The Knicks will most likely be the team to offer him the most money, so common sense says that the Knicks will be a major factor in every player's FA plans in 2010.

....Miami can offer more money and years

DaNtHeMaN628
02-03-2009, 06:20 PM
Exactly.
People say stuff like this all the time in the sports world.
But once they finally get down to negotiating with other teams... usually the franchise that offers the most money prevails. The Knicks will most likely be the team to offer him the most money, so common sense says that the Knicks will be a major factor in every player's FA plans in 2010.

Miami can offer the most money because Wade is their player so they can offer an extra year on the contract.

Draco
02-03-2009, 06:26 PM
The only big name FA's likely to move in 2010 (or perhaps in a trade before then) are Bosh and Amare. I think, even on PSD, most people already knew that.

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 06:32 PM
Nobody on here knows **** about who is and isn't gonna move


The only big name FA's likely to move in 2010 (or perhaps in a trade before then) are Bosh and Amare. I think, even on PSD, most people already knew that.

Draco
02-03-2009, 06:35 PM
Nobody on here knows **** about who is and isn't gonna move

No one knows with 100% certainty what any player is going to do. However there's a lot of indicators that point towards Bosh and Amare leaving and Lebron and Wade staying.

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 06:40 PM
Un til 2010 comes and players are offered $$ from all those other teams I could care less what "indications" are made. Nobody knows who will end up where. To be honest it's a waste of time for anyone to try and guess.


No one knows with 100% certainty what any player is going to do. However there's a lot of indicators that point towards Bosh and Amare leaving and Lebron and Wade staying.

NYMetros
02-03-2009, 06:40 PM
Miami can offer the most money because Wade is their player so they can offer an extra year on the contract.

Eh, the Knicks could easily outspend them if they wanted to.

boms-4
02-03-2009, 06:41 PM
i really can see Wade opt out and go explore the FA market

Draco
02-03-2009, 06:42 PM
Un til 2010 comes and players are offered $$ from all those other teams I could care less what "indications" are made. Nobody knows who will end up where. To be honest it's a waste of time for anyone to try and guess.

Then don't guess. Why bother responding to posts in this thread if it's a waste of your time.

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 06:43 PM
Cause it's funny to see all you idiots argue about **** you have no control or idea of


Then don't guess. Why bother responding to posts in this thread if it's a waste of your time.

Testaverde16
02-03-2009, 06:45 PM
It is too early for this to mean anything to me.....

whats with the hatred for NY though?

Draco
02-03-2009, 06:45 PM
Cause it's funny to see all you idiots argue about **** you have no control or idea of

Actually, people do have an idea of what's going on. Those would be the indications you "could care less" about.

What's funny, is watching you argue about a topic you think is a waste of time. That makes you an even bigger idiot.

MiamiHeat
02-03-2009, 06:47 PM
i really can see Wade opt out and go explore the FA market

...we know he going to opt out lol but then he will sign a big nice fat contract with the Heat :)

FaceDown91
02-03-2009, 06:47 PM
Miami can offer the most money because Wade is their player so they can offer an extra year on the contract.

they can offer a bigger contract yes but not more money. U have to remember the indorcements players like Wade or Lebron would get in NY. It would be ENDLESS! Heat can offer a bigger contract to wade and cavs can offer a bigger contract to lebron but the most money? hell no.

dre1990
02-03-2009, 06:49 PM
None of this means **** until they are made offers $ talks

:clap:

jrodmesche
02-03-2009, 06:58 PM
Everyone wants to be in miami/
ITS ALL GOOD IN THE HEAT BABY:smoking:

kidfury
02-03-2009, 07:07 PM
Both Lebron and Dwayne are RICH plus or minus a few million, how much does it matter. Wade may possibly be happy in Miami. Lebron, may well give up some of the endorsement money to play in warm weather in Florida. Besides even if they play in Florida it's not like either of one of them will NOT get endorsements and possibly if they're a duo their endorsements could sky rocket.

$BOOKE$
02-03-2009, 07:15 PM
Both Lebron and Dwayne are RICH plus or minus a few million, how much does it matter. Wade may possibly be happy in Miami. Lebron, may well give up some of the endorsement money to play in warm weather in Florida. Besides even if they play in Florida it's not like either of one of them will NOT get endorsements and possibly if they're a duo their endorsements could sky rocket.


yea they would both get endorsements no matter where they went.

FaceDown91
02-03-2009, 07:15 PM
Both Lebron and Dwayne are RICH plus or minus a few million, how much does it matter. Wade may possibly be happy in Miami. Lebron, may well give up some of the endorsement money to play in warm weather in Florida. Besides even if they play in Florida it's not like either of one of them will NOT get endorsements and possibly if they're a duo their endorsements could sky rocket.

i agree with u that maybe lebron may give up some endorsement money to play in places like miami, but how do we know there thinking that way? Esspically Lebron IMO because he said one time that he really wanted to become a billionaire. And he seems to be a bought out type of guy. Wade IMO i think will most likely stay but of course we don't know **** on what is gonna happen.

FaceDown91
02-03-2009, 07:16 PM
yea they would both get endorsements no matter where they went.

not the kind NY or NJ can offer.

kidfury
02-03-2009, 07:20 PM
i agree with u that maybe lebron may give up some endorsement money to play in places like miami, but how do we know there thinking that way? Esspically Lebron IMO because he said one time that he really wanted to become a billionaire. And he seems to be a bought out type of guy. Wade IMO i think will most likely stay but of course we don't know **** on what is gonna happen.

You are right, none of us know what they are thinking but I'm not so sure how much of their future is really about the money. When you're rich how many more houses or cars do you need? I think it'll will involve factors besides money.

FaceDown91
02-03-2009, 07:29 PM
You are right, none of us know what they are thinking but I'm not so sure how much of their future is really about the money. When you're rich how many more houses or cars do you need? I think it'll will involve factors besides money.

Well there is the economy factor so that could be 1 reason.

WadeCounty
02-03-2009, 07:40 PM
Does not mean he is going to be on the Heat forever he still said he would explore his options. If he really was commited that much to the Heat he would of already signed a big 8 year contract.

btw thats not possible until next year, a player cant sign a extension until his final year in the contract

mjt20mik
02-03-2009, 07:43 PM
If the heat become a lottery team next year, it's possible that he will opt out.

philab
02-03-2009, 07:47 PM
Okay, so when LeBron says he's not going anywhere, everyone shrugs it off like it's meaningless . . . but when Wade says it's not a possibility right now that he'd play in NY in 2010, suddenly that's conclusive?


Any talk of 2010 is meaningless. No one knows anything and there are zero "indications" regarding any player's destination.

FaceDown91
02-03-2009, 07:53 PM
Okay, so when LeBron says he's not going anywhere, everyone shrugs it off like it's meaningless . . . but when Wade says it's not a possibility right now that he'd play in NY in 2010, suddenly that's conclusive?


Any talk of 2010 is meaningless. No one knows anything and there are zero "indications" regarding any player's destination.

didn't lebron say 2010 will be the biggest day of his life? i don't remember lebron saying anything about not leaving.

Draco
02-03-2009, 07:55 PM
Any talk of 2010 is meaningless. No one knows anything and there are zero "indications" regarding any player's destination.

I'm not sure how much more consistent or clear Lebron and Wade have to be to convince anyone to take them at their word.

Draco
02-03-2009, 07:56 PM
didn't lebron say 2010 will be the biggest day of his life? i don't remember lebron saying anything about not leaving.

He didn't say that.

Sean McG
02-03-2009, 07:56 PM
Even if he said "I'm going to play in New York in 2010" there's no guarantee he would.. Plus if I'm a cultural icon in a city playing professional sports, I'm gonna keep the fans happy by saying something like this, regardless whether I plan to leave or not, better than openly admitting it and having the media, your coaches, team mates, fans etc all after you. When one of these big FA's signs an extension next year then I'll believe them.

Draco
02-03-2009, 08:01 PM
Even if he said "I'm going to play in New York in 2010" there's no guarantee he would.. Plus if I'm a cultural icon in a city playing professional sports, I'm gonna keep the fans happy by saying something like this, regardless whether I plan to leave or not, better than openly admitting it and having the media, your coaches, team mates, fans etc all after you. When one of these big FA's signs an extension next year then I'll believe them.

The problem is that when Lebron and Wade speak about loyalty it seems highly unlikely to me that their intent was just to say the right things in order to deflect attention away from 2010 and that leaving would actually be a possibility. That seems pretty damn, disloyal.

D Roses Bulls
02-03-2009, 08:02 PM
who miami really better worry bout is the bulls stealing him away since that is his home town and all of his family is there plus it is one of the top three largest markets so converse might give him incentives for doing that and also remember wade loves d rose and the bulls should have alot of money that summer too. so we shall see.

DaNtHeMaN628
02-03-2009, 08:06 PM
Eh, the Knicks could easily outspend them if they wanted to.

NBA Salary Cap Rules wouldn't allow them to.

HiphopRelated
02-03-2009, 08:08 PM
where exactly does it say he wont play for NY ?

in fact if i was a heat fan i would be scared, because he is not saying im resinging, and worse he says he MAy pla with lebron.

well there are only TWO teams projected ro have enough cap room for two maximum contracts in 2010 Knicks and Pistons.
and Miami

GodsSon
02-03-2009, 08:40 PM
lets face it, other then a select few athletes, all of these guys are money whores...wade said he would consider going to play in europe for 40 million a year, so what does that tell you? lol...loyalty in sports goes as deep as the pocket can go.

philab
02-03-2009, 08:41 PM
didn't lebron say 2010 will be the biggest day of his life? i don't remember lebron saying anything about not leaving.

He said, "I love Cleveland, I love Ohio, and I'm not going anywhere."


Again, it's meaningless, but so is everything else regarding 2010 and all these guys.

To ignore statements like the one above on one hand and give credence to statements like Wade's on the other is ridiculous.

None of it means anything. Wait until about mid-June 2010 to start talking about it.

philab
02-03-2009, 08:47 PM
and Miami

I never heard Miami did, but I'll take your word for it.


Before that post, Cleveland was listed as the only team with the money to re-sign one of the superstars AND sign another of the big names to a maximum contract.

New York and Detroit have the money to sign two FAs, but don't have any superstars currently on the team. That means both would-be signings would have to sign for less than they could potentially make.

Miami, of course, has a superstar, so that changes things if you are correct.

Lakers4ItAll
02-03-2009, 08:50 PM
That's where you are wrong and an idiot. Nobody knows what will happen.


Actually, people do have an idea of what's going on. Those would be the indications you "could care less" about.

What's funny, is watching you argue about a topic you think is a waste of time. That makes you an even bigger idiot.

Giaps
02-03-2009, 08:52 PM
I don't believe he will or he won't. I see it more as him trying to stop the talk and put the focus on his team. It's all good.

Draco
02-03-2009, 08:59 PM
That's where you are wrong and an idiot. Nobody knows what will happen.

If you can't understand my post for what it is then I'm not surprised that you can't understand Lebron or Wade's comments for what they are. I'm speculating and talking about probabilities. I didn't post that I knew what will happen. And this is such a waste of time for you that you keep coming back for more.. like an idiot.

dee279
02-03-2009, 09:00 PM
Does not mean he is going to be on the Heat forever he still said he would explore his options. If he really was commited that much to the Heat he would of already signed a big 8 year contract.

Why would he ask for an extention now? It would more complicate wut the Heat would have to do to get another max player like CB4, Lebron, Stoudemire or whoeva else

dee279
02-03-2009, 09:06 PM
yeah Miami would easily have 2010 cap space if they trade for Jermaine Oneal with his 20 sumthin million dollar contract expiring in 2010

IRUAM #21
02-03-2009, 09:12 PM
The Heat only have 5 players under contract after next season, so yes they will have plenty of money, and also Wade has a player option for the 2010/11 season.

Ray_R
02-03-2009, 09:13 PM
No way wade in NY hes gonna be part of the Heat all his carrer if he opts out im positive he will be a Bull it that simple he really wanted Derrick Rose on his team and seeing Derrick Is in a Bulls jersey he might come back for a homecoming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

philab
02-03-2009, 09:27 PM
also Wade has a player option for the 2010/11 season.

LeBron has one too. Same with (I think) Bosh and Anthony.


The chances of those options being picked up is ZERO PERCENT.

NYstateofMinD
02-03-2009, 10:03 PM
Coming from a Knicks fan I really doubt either Dwade or LBJ will be with the Knicks. LeBron maybe with the Nets but I think both would resign with their respective teams.

Off-topic but I want Deron on the Knicks. Sorry Jazz fans :cool:

IRUAM #21
02-03-2009, 10:05 PM
LeBron has one too. Same with (I think) Bosh and Anthony.


The chances of those options being picked up is ZERO PERCENT.

Yeah i know

HOZ THE KNICK
02-03-2009, 10:52 PM
this thread is a waste of ****ing time

YankeeFan89
02-03-2009, 11:05 PM
we dont need wade...will just sign bosh and bron!

FaceDown91
02-03-2009, 11:07 PM
we dont need wade...will just sign bosh and bron!

and if they resign?

tbron
02-03-2009, 11:08 PM
lol at the knicks

Talick
02-03-2009, 11:11 PM
Wade will not leave the Heat. He is known for his allegiance to teams. ie. Marquette.

Hustla23
02-03-2009, 11:17 PM
LOL if Wade's knee is still intact by then , then we'll talk about contracts.

but I hope he stays with Miami. He's the life of the franchise.

hotpotato1092
02-03-2009, 11:21 PM
I'm calling it now: D Wade signs with the Spurs for 3 years in 2010. He gets to play for a title with Duncan and Parker for 3 years and when Duncan retires he can just leave.

hotpotato1092
02-03-2009, 11:22 PM
And by the way, didn't Carlos Boozer say he was resigning with the Cavs? Didn't Johnny Damon say he'd never play for the Yankees? Didn't Brett Favre say he retired? Athletes are liars. That's just fact.

HOZ THE KNICK
02-03-2009, 11:24 PM
And by the way, didn't Carlos Boozer say he was resigning with the Cavs? Didn't Johnny Damon say he'd never play for the Yankees? Didn't Brett Favre say he retired? Athletes are liars. That's just fact.
co-signed

TheChosenOne88
02-03-2009, 11:28 PM
The only "Mega-Superstar" player that will bolt in 2010 is Stoudemire (he wants to be "THE MAN") and that is a maybe because the Suns might eventually give him everything he wants because he is that good of a player. I can see the Suns rebuilding this summer by trading Shaq and Nash. They will acquire picks and an up and coming young PG and more role players. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh ain't going anywhere so keep dreaming Knicks fans. Oh and by the way aren't the Knicks still way over the cap because of a guy named Eddy Curry?

TheChosenOne88
02-03-2009, 11:30 PM
And by the way, didn't Carlos Boozer say he was resigning with the Cavs? Didn't Johnny Damon say he'd never play for the Yankees? Didn't Brett Favre say he retired? Athletes are liars. That's just fact.

Its a shame that never panned out for the Jazz :D and now they are backed into a corner deciding who to keep this summer, Boozer or Millsap. They can't keep both unless they unload AK-47, but who is going to take that gun?

The Prodigy
02-03-2009, 11:31 PM
Exactly.
People say stuff like this all the time in the sports world.
But once they finally get down to negotiating with other teams... usually the franchise that offers the most money prevails. The Knicks will most likely be the team to offer him the most money, so common sense says that the Knicks will be a major factor in every player's FA plans in 2010.

yea but if thats the case than the players original team can always match the other teams offer and if im not mistaken can give more than the max. Its not like the knicks can give lebron or wade like 50 per year

TheChosenOne88
02-03-2009, 11:35 PM
yea but if thats the case than the players original team can always match the other teams offer and if im not mistaken can give more than the max. Its not like the knicks can give lebron or wade like 50 per year

The collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow 50 per year, but your right when you said the original team can offer more money and another year. So if an elite player wants to play with another elite player, one of them is going to have to take a pay cut.

The Mecca
02-03-2009, 11:36 PM
LOL if Wade's knee is still intact by then , then we'll talk about contracts.

but I hope he stays with Miami. He's the life of the franchise.

Lol, yea I'll take Lebron and Joe Johnson or Lebron/DWade anyday.

philab
02-03-2009, 11:38 PM
Wade will not leave the Heat. He is known for his allegiance to teams. ie. Marquette.

Very dumb comment.


First, staying with a college is NOTHING like staying with an NBA team.

Second, Wade only played two years at Marquette and jumped after his junior season. "Foregoing senior year" and "loyalty" don't exactly go hand-in-hand. I'm not criticizing his decision, but let's be serious here.

Third, future lottery picks are NOT going to transfer. When you transfer, you have to sit out a year. No future lottery pick is going to sit out a year when they could just jump to the NBA or stick it out and get noticed. Hell, the facts support the theory that he HATED Marquette and that's why he jumped.

Finally, if anything, Marquette was loyal to Wade, not the other way around. Wade only received three scholarship offers and was declared ineligible his freshman year because of academics. If Marquette had dropped him, he could very well have ended up playing JUCO ball. He should be thankful he was even playing Division I ball his sophomore and junior seasons.

TheChosenOne88
02-03-2009, 11:51 PM
Very dumb comment.


First, staying with a college is NOTHING like staying with an NBA team.

Second, Wade only played two years at Marquette and jumped after his junior season. "Foregoing senior year" and "loyalty" don't exactly go hand-in-hand. I'm not criticizing his decision, but let's be serious here.

Third, future lottery picks are NOT going to transfer. When you transfer, you have to sit out a year. No future lottery pick is going to sit out a year when they could just jump to the NBA or stick it out and get noticed. Hell, the facts support the theory that he HATED Marquette and that's why he jumped.

Finally, if anything, Marquette was loyal to Wade, not the other way around. Wade only received three scholarship offers and was declared ineligible his freshman year because of academics. If Marquette had dropped him, he could very well have ended up playing JUCO ball. He should be thankful he was even playing Division I ball his sophomore and junior seasons.

Good point

still1ballin
02-03-2009, 11:58 PM
None of this means **** until they are made offers $ talks

Agreed. He can pull off an Elton Brand.

Draco
02-04-2009, 12:09 AM
Agreed. He can pull off an Elton Brand.

What's that mean?

TheChosenOne88
02-04-2009, 12:11 AM
What's that mean?

Bolting for money but not playing to the high expectations that came with the dough.

Draco
02-04-2009, 12:15 AM
And by the way, didn't Carlos Boozer say he was resigning with the Cavs? Didn't Johnny Damon say he'd never play for the Yankees? Didn't Brett Favre say he retired? Athletes are liars. That's just fact.

It'd be great if you could provide some quotes because context means a whole lot. Boozer telling the Cav's organization he'd resign so that they'd let him out of his contract on a verbal agreement is different than what Wade said.

Edit: My mistake, Boozer opted out. Nonetheless, still a different context than Wade discussing his future in Miami.

Here's Wade.

"My prediction: I'll be in the Sunshine State in two years. I feel I'll re-sign back with Miami, that's what I'm saying," Wade said. "I've always said I wanted to be here for the long haul. I started something great here; the Miami community has been unbelievable to me.


"I would love to retire here; I would love to be one of those players who stays in one organization and never moves. Not many players have ever done that, and I'd like to be one of those guys."

Draco
02-04-2009, 12:17 AM
Bolting for money but not playing to the high expectations that came with the dough.

People are different. Did Brand make any statements about staying with the Clips prior to having left?

Draco
02-04-2009, 12:21 AM
Here's Boozer on his future with the Jazz... different motivations. Hey, at least Boozer is consistent.


Here is what Boozer told ESPN:

“I’m opting out. No matter what, I’m going to get a raise regardless.
I am going to opt out, I don’t see why I wouldn’t, I think it’s a very good
business decision for me and my family, but I’d also like to see what
happens with the Jazz and stay here.”

mlisica19
02-04-2009, 12:23 AM
not surprising... D wade is one of most 2010 superstars who will remain with their team.... This might even include James


If i had to seriously bet on whose coming to NY... It would be Chris Bosh outta the top 5 guys on the free agents list. He doesnt look like he LOVES toronto, hes an american player who probably wants to be in AMERICA. He knows he wont win with them, so why not try sumwhere else

TheChosenOne88
02-04-2009, 12:32 AM
People are different. Did Brand make any statements about staying with the Clips prior to having left?

I don't know the whole story but from what I remember Brand said he was basically "jealous" of what the Celtics did and was willing to do whatever it takes for the Clippers to bring in hungry marquee players willing to do whatever it takes to win a championship. I don't remember if Brand gave a verbal commitment, but I do remember the Clippers Head Coach blowing up on a phone interview when asked if Brand gave a verbal commitment to him and the organization.

still1ballin
02-04-2009, 12:33 AM
People are different. Did Brand make any statements about staying with the Clips prior to having left?

Yeah.

Draco
02-04-2009, 12:38 AM
Yeah.

Quotes?

hotpotato1092
02-04-2009, 01:36 AM
People are different. Did Brand make any statements about staying with the Clips prior to having left?

Didn't Baron Davis sign with the expectation that Elton was gonna sign also? I'm sure they had some talks. I bet that friendship is ruined now.

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 01:55 AM
Quotes?


I love LA i wanna play here forever with my bff Baron Davis:)

There you go

Draco
02-04-2009, 01:58 AM
There you go

Wow.. you're right. It looks like Wade might go to NY afterall.

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 01:59 AM
Lol

MagicBucsSox
02-04-2009, 10:03 AM
first lebron said no, now d wade shut down big apple idea, si .com


D-Wade: I won't play for KnicksViews 1924 Comments 5 06:58 AM ET 02.04 Share Print It My T&R Days after suggesting the possibility of becoming a teammate of LeBron James after the two become free agents in 2010, Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade shot down at least one potential destination for the star-studded tandem: New York. Wade said Tuesday that he remains committed to the Heat for now and could see himself spending the rest of his career in Miami. But Wade also said he would explore all of his options should he elect to opt out of his contract and become a free agent in 2010, the same summer several of the NBA's top players have options. ''Is it a possibility me and LeBron will play together? It's always a possibility,'' Wade said after the Heat's practice Tuesday at AmericanAirlines Arena. ``We're both free agents. Is it a possibility I'm going to New York? That's not a possibility in my mind.''

Miami Herald

HOZ THE KNICK
02-04-2009, 10:05 AM
what's the point in this thread don't you know money talks and ******** walks by now?

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 10:12 AM
There's already a thread on this.

DieHardColtsfan
02-04-2009, 10:24 AM
We will see come off-season.. our money will be the chatterbox of the party

Draco
02-04-2009, 10:27 AM
That's just it.. The media has supported the idea of Lebron and Wade staying. It's Bosh leaving Toronto that's supposedly been the worst kept secret in the NBA.

DJ CHACH
02-04-2009, 10:43 AM
the HEAT made him do this..cause he still ididnt rule out the knicks, they ar AN OPTION...im not sure yet if i want him or not, but the heat organizatio n made him put this statement out so that it doent become a distraction..dont uguys think its odd to back track?

Ethix11
02-04-2009, 10:58 AM
Miami has as much if not more money than the knicks. ******** keep walkin

NYKnickFanatic
02-04-2009, 11:52 AM
Who the hell cares. I dont even want Wade on the Knicks.

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 11:53 AM
Who the hell cares. I dont even want Wade on the Knicks.

Yeah he sucks, why would you want a finals Mvp on your team ?

MaHaRaJaH
02-04-2009, 11:59 AM
lol you think theyd ACTUALLY say 'oh i caint wait'

Gup
02-04-2009, 12:05 PM
what's the point in this thread don't you know money talks and ******** walks by now?

Reading your comments are priceless. Unless someone is talking about how amazing the Knicks are, you get all up in a frenzy!

Honestly, i can't see either LBJ or Wade signing with the Knicks. Which is kinda funny because they're trying to clean as much cap for 2010

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 12:10 PM
Reading your comments are priceless. Unless someone is talking about how amazing the Knicks are, you get all up in a frenzy!

Honestly, i can't see either LBJ or Wade signing with the Knicks. Which is kinda funny because they're trying to clean as much cap for 2010

Even if they dont get one of those guys the will still get either Johnson, Bosh, or Stoudamire

LanceUpperCut
02-04-2009, 12:14 PM
If I were a knicks fan I would look at maybe drafting a srar instead of just hoping some other teams superstar decide's to jump ship.Just a thought.

DodgerBlue24
02-04-2009, 12:17 PM
Even if they dont get one of those guys the will still get either Johnson, Bosh, or Stoudamire

They will get none of them... These guys dont want to play for a looseing team... Bosh wants to go to Orlando and play with Superman... Oh Well we'll have to see what happends...

Giaps
02-04-2009, 12:18 PM
Yes, because athletes always tell the truth.

First he says it's fun to talk about and then he says NY is not possible... that's a contradicting. He's just trying to squash the talk and put the focus on his team. Nothing wrong with that.

fairandbalanced
02-04-2009, 12:21 PM
Who the hell cares. I dont even want Wade on the Knicks.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha...............This is got to be the funniest post ever by a Knick fan. With that Team, even Rodney Stuckey will be welcomed.

NYstateofMinD
02-04-2009, 12:25 PM
Oh my god, NO DWADE? I'm going to cry. No LeBron either?

Okay all jokes aside, don't stereotype all Knicks fans please. I'm not a huge fan of D-Wade anyway and would much rather prefer Joe Johnson than D-Wade. To tell you the truth really, I would rather re-sign Nate , D-Lee and someone else rather than sign D-Wade so relax yourself big guy.

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 12:34 PM
They will get none of them... These guys dont want to play for a looseing team... Bosh wants to go to Orlando and play with Superman... Oh Well we'll have to see what happends...

:crazy:

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 12:37 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahaha...............This is got to be the funniest post ever by a Knick fan. With that Team, even Rodney Stuckey will be welcomed.


He'll be welcomed on a lot of teams.

Jonathan2323
02-04-2009, 12:39 PM
KNicks fans are funny as hell now they dont want Wade lol because he said this and some NYC fan said he rather have Nate and Dlee than Wade LMAO. i cant wait to see what they say when Lebron does not go there, they will probably say who cares he sucks anyways :laugh:.

1goldenrican1
02-04-2009, 12:43 PM
The only "Mega-Superstar" player that will bolt in 2010 is Stoudemire (he wants to be "THE MAN") and that is a maybe because the Suns might eventually give him everything he wants because he is that good of a player. I can see the Suns rebuilding this summer by trading Shaq and Nash. They will acquire picks and an up and coming young PG and more role players. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh ain't going anywhere so keep dreaming Knicks fans. Oh and by the way aren't the Knicks still way over the cap because of a guy named Eddy Curry?

No we are not..... Dont you remember hearing,reading and seeing everywhere that we traded Jamal Crawford and Zach the black hole Randolph. That alone gave us the chance to grab to superstars with max contracts. Were just trying to dump curry or JJ so we can resign Lee

GunFactor187
02-04-2009, 12:46 PM
Dang it I was hoping to buy his jersey for half price too...

Oh well I can only see him in a Miami jersey anyways.

still1ballin
02-04-2009, 01:05 PM
Who the hell cares. I dont even want Wade on the Knicks.

Of course you do!:p

todu82
02-04-2009, 01:33 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see Wade remain in Miami. Still let's see what happens in 2010 when teams start offering him big money.

jayl1377
02-04-2009, 01:37 PM
obviously hes not going to new york, he would much rather play at home in chicago

Kaptain Kanada
02-04-2009, 02:19 PM
Will he... won't he???

I'm looking forward to this summer.... see if some of these guys start to re-up with their current teams.

fredv
02-04-2009, 02:28 PM
When money talks the players walk... He can't refuse a big offer, even from NY.

HOZ THE KNICK
02-04-2009, 02:32 PM
When money talks the players walk... He can't refuse a big offer, even from NY.
yo sig is crazy everytime i see that **** it's funny.

Kaptain Kanada
02-04-2009, 02:37 PM
When money talks the players walk... He can't refuse a big offer, even from NY.

Doesn't he get the bigger offer from Miami?

IRUAM #21
02-04-2009, 02:44 PM
^^ Yes

TheChosenOne88
02-04-2009, 03:48 PM
No we are not..... Dont you remember hearing,reading and seeing everywhere that we traded Jamal Crawford and Zach the black hole Randolph. That alone gave us the chance to grab to superstars with max contracts. Were just trying to dump curry or JJ so we can resign Lee

Yea you just proved my point, you still have Eddy Curry and Jerome James eating up cap space. Al Harrington is actually worth what he is being paid so I won't hate on him. What Knicks fans fail to realize is no matter how over the cap a team that has a free agent superstar, they can still offer them a the 6 year max contract and offer another superstar a 5 year deal. So Knicks fans don't hold your breath expecting to get 2 bonafide superstars in the summer of 2010, you can talk about it all you want but it ain't gonna happen. The Knicks best bet is to resign Lee and try to land an All Star over the summer to even try to make the playoffs next season. Plus the Knicks will be in rebuilding mode in 2010 so what makes you think 2 superstars will want to play together if they don't have anyone else on the team who can actually play in the nba. Money does talk but don't expect LeBron, Wade, and Bosh to jump ship just for money, they want rings and the opportunity to compete for a championship for years to come. The Knicks aren't going to be able to offer them that chance unless they continue to make improvements to their team instead of just worrying about clearing cap space. Isiah Thomas and Dolan dug your team into the hole they are in and the sad reality is you Knicks fans actually think you have hope by believing what the media loves to write to cause controversy and say "LeBron, or Wade, or Bosh, or Stoudemire are coming to the Knicks in 2010, your savior is coming!!!"

Giaps
02-04-2009, 04:15 PM
Wade is more likely to stay in Miami than Bosh/Toronto and Lebron/Cleveland. Miami is not a major market like NY-LA-CHI but it is a nice place to play. TOR is a large market, but I have to imagine not many superstars prefer it on their list of destinations...

philab
02-04-2009, 06:35 PM
Wade is more likely to stay in Miami than Bosh/Toronto and Lebron/Cleveland. Miami is not a major market like NY-LA-CHI but it is a nice place to play. TOR is a large market, but I have to imagine not many superstars prefer it on their list of destinations...

You basically just said nothing.

Seriously, that was akin to posting "Miami is warm. Toronto is in Canada."

Miami is a "nice" place to play? That sounds pretty damn subjective to me. Yeah, lots of people prefer warm weather and yeah, its a decent-sized market . . . but not everyone has the same preferences.

You have to imagine not many superstars would prefer Toronto? Thanks for the input. :rolleyes: Again, I understand the disadvantages of playing in Toronto, but not everyone has the same preferences.


Not every athlete would go to NY, CHI, LA or MIA (or another warm market) if given a pick of all cities. This is especially true when a player has spent multiple years living outside of those cities. I know this is very difficult to fathom for those from NY, LA, etc., but it's true.

Economically-speaking, some players may choose to play in one of the big markets because it's the best decision financially. You, however, made no mention of such.


Now, Bosh and LeBron may very well prefer to play in NY, LA, MIA, CHI, etc., but we don't know that. To say that they would prefer one city over another just because some percentage of the population feels that same way is ridiculous.

TheChosenOne88
02-04-2009, 06:41 PM
You basically just said nothing.

Seriously, that was akin to posting "Miami is warm. Toronto is in Canada."

Miami is a "nice" place to play? That sounds pretty damn subjective to me. Yeah, lots of people prefer warm weather and yeah, its a decent-sized market . . . but not everyone has the same preferences.

You have to imagine not many superstars would prefer Toronto? Thanks for the input. :rolleyes: Again, I understand the disadvantages of playing in Toronto, but not everyone has the same preferences.


Not every athlete would go to NY, CHI, LA or MIA (or another warm market) if given a pick of all cities. This is especially true when a player has spent multiple years living outside of those cities. I know this is very difficult to fathom for those from NY, LA, etc., but it's true.

Economically-speaking, some players may choose to play in one of the big markets because it's the best decision financially. You, however, made no mention of such.


Now, Bosh and LeBron may very well prefer to play in NY, LA, MIA, CHI, etc., but we don't know that. To say that they would prefer one city over another just because some percentage of the population feels that same way is ridiculous.

Couldn't agree more

FaceDown91
02-04-2009, 07:27 PM
If lebron goes to NY, not surprised that much but if the knicks don't get anybody in the 2010 off season with all that cap space, i will laugh my *** off. :laugh2:

J4KOP99
02-04-2009, 07:35 PM
If lebron goes to NY, not surprised that much but if the knicks don't get anybody in the 2010 off season with all that cap space, i will laugh my *** off. :laugh2:

All of the major sports are better off when the New York teams are doing well.

It's the biggest market and has the most media. People may like to see the Knicks fail but you have to admit, LeBron on the biggest stage is a good thing for basketball.

TheChosenOne88
02-04-2009, 07:45 PM
All of the major sports are better off when the New York teams are doing well.

It's the biggest market and has the most media. People may like to see the Knicks fail but you have to admit, LeBron on the biggest stage is a good thing for basketball.

Why is it better for the NBA if he plays for the Knicks? LeBron is LeBron everywhere he goes, nothing and no one will ever change that. He's not going to be more popular if he plays for the Knicks, he's already a household name and a global icon.

J4KOP99
02-04-2009, 09:28 PM
Why is it better for the NBA if he plays for the Knicks? LeBron is LeBron everywhere he goes, nothing and no one will ever change that. He's not going to be more popular if he plays for the Knicks, he's already a household name and a global icon.

I am not saying LeBron himself will get any more "popular." I am saying if he is on a bigger stage, such as NYC, the media attention will be greater. You cannot argue that New York City sports teams get more national attention than say, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

cmstophe
02-04-2009, 09:50 PM
Correction.


I am not saying LeBron himself will get any more "popular." I am saying if he is on a bigger stage, such as NYC, the media attention will be greater. You cannot argue that New York City sports teams get more national attention than say, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Not when LeBron James is wearing the Wine and Gold.

Outside of New York, nobody cares about the Knicks. They would care if the Knicks got LeBron James, but that's not the point.

VCaintdead17
02-04-2009, 10:08 PM
You guys are acting like its a rare thing for a team to resign their star player. I doubt the HUGE names like D Wade, Bron, Johnson ect. will leave. It's not like they will be in their final years in 2010. They will still have plenty of time.

JordansBulls
02-04-2009, 10:20 PM
Hopefully Lebron comes to Chicago.:D

FaceDown91
02-04-2009, 10:24 PM
Hopefully Lebron comes to Chicago.:D

if he does he won't be able to wear number 23.

Wilson
02-04-2009, 10:30 PM
Hopefully Lebron comes to Chicago.:D

Meh, you'd get a lot less out of Derrick Rose with LeBron there, because the ball won't be in his hands anymore...

TheChosenOne88
02-04-2009, 10:47 PM
I am not saying LeBron himself will get any more "popular." I am saying if he is on a bigger stage, such as NYC, the media attention will be greater. You cannot argue that New York City sports teams get more national attention than say, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

The Cavs have 13 games on National TV this season. Guess how many the Knicks have? None

SportsNuts4ever
02-11-2009, 08:38 PM
wait, i am not understanding how it is not a consensus that lebron will get a monumental increase in coverage. Ny is the biggest media market in teh world. cleavland is one of the worst cities to live in and no on cares about him. and ur little stat about national games is all cuz of lebron, not the "storied" hisotry of the cavaliers

how about this forum be for people who made it past the 8th grade?

DenButsu
02-11-2009, 09:23 PM
wait, i am not understanding how it is not a consensus that lebron will get a monumental increase in coverage. Ny is the biggest media market in teh world. cleavland is one of the worst cities to live in and no on cares about him. and ur little stat about national games is all cuz of lebron, not the "storied" hisotry of the cavaliers

how about this forum be for people who made it past the 8th grade?

How about you stay around long enough to have more than like 9 posts before you start running around criticizing the entire forum, which you haven't spent enough time at yet to really understand? :eyebrow:

The General
02-11-2009, 10:49 PM
if the knicks every get good and the old rivalries against the pistons and bulls re-emerge the nba will benefit tremendously.