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DenButsu
12-12-2008, 01:53 AM
I think most NBA fans will agree that there are 9 teams among those most likely to end up in the playoffs in the West, those being:

Dallas
Denver
Houston
LA Lakers
New Orleans
Phoenix
Portland
San Antonio
Utah


So the question here is simple: Which team won't make the cut?

superkegger
12-12-2008, 02:03 AM
Gosh, I have no idea. Before I thought the Suns, but then the Jrich trade comes through. I'm still onthe fence as to whether they actually get better, or if they just add more talent that doesn't exactly fit.

I guess until they prove they've actually figured it out, and know how to win with a half court offense I'll say the Suns are the team left out.

S.J.Basketball
12-12-2008, 02:06 AM
Dallas or Phoenix based on what it looks like right now.

DerekRE_3
12-12-2008, 02:07 AM
I'm going to make a really really super bold prediction...

The Kings won't make it.

mnp2597
12-12-2008, 02:10 AM
Houston because they won't stay healthy

superkegger
12-12-2008, 02:11 AM
I'm going to make a really really super bold prediction...

The Kings won't make it.

woah woah woah.

are you serious man? i mean you never get anywhere with safe predictions, but thats juat a little too bold for me.

DODGERS&LAKERS
12-12-2008, 02:18 AM
Its weird for the west to be so top heavy. 9 good teams, with the rest pretty much being the worst teams in the league.

dooodo
12-12-2008, 02:23 AM
Portland imo will end up getting knocked off... thats a really hard one tho.

DenButsu
12-12-2008, 02:24 AM
Houston because they won't stay healthy

I don't know if it will be Houston or not, but there's probably a lot to the idea that injuries could be the factor that tips the scales against the team that misses out.

For me, my "lock" teams are:

Denver
Houston
LA Lakers
New Orleans
San Antonio
Utah

... and my borderline teams are:

Dallas
Phoenix
Portland

And this isn't to take anything away from Portland, because they've been playing great. I just suspect that their youth and inexperience - comparative to the other teams they're contending with - might catch up with them at some point this season, and cause a skid that they just can't quite recover from. Dallas or Phoenix might be easy to pick, but those teams are stocked with vets who know how to finish in the final stretches of games and seasons (look at how the Mavs finished last season, going 6-3 (.667) in their final 9 games after going 6-8 (.429) in the 14 games before that). So I'm going with the Blazers for now, although if they keep going at their current rate for a while without faltering I'll have to rethink it for sure.

KobeIs
12-12-2008, 02:24 AM
If you asked me at the start of the year, I would've said Portland, but now I'm thinking Dallas.

Well Portland's a possibility but they gotta crash and burn for that to happen

ESaady
12-12-2008, 02:27 AM
I'm going to make a really really super bold prediction...

The Kings won't make it.

I'll raise you with the OKC THUNDER!!

superkegger
12-12-2008, 02:33 AM
As much as I hate cliches and that ****.

Brandon Roy plays beyond his year. I think he'll bring them to the playoffs this year.

But really, as fantastic as the lakers have started, they've been playing piss poor lately, and they aren't untouchable.

I think if anyone suffers a major injury, it will spell their doom. Health is the key to the western conference race.

DreamShaker
12-12-2008, 03:31 AM
The Mavs....

Vidball
12-12-2008, 03:31 AM
To me, the teams I think will definitely make it are:

Lakers
Hornets
Jazz
Rockets
Spurs
Blazers

The teams I think will be battling for the last 2 spots and will be very close to each other in the standings by the end of the season are:

Mavs
Nuggets
Suns

Right now only 2 1/2 games separate the #2 and #9 seed in the West. Barring major injuries I just think the top 6 teams I listed are teams that are very well put together. Mavs, Nuggets and Suns all lack depth. The West really is 9 deep though and all 9 are playoff-caliber teams.

Kohaku
12-12-2008, 03:33 AM
Hi Den, http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301633.

nygiants242
12-12-2008, 03:33 AM
Eh.. as of now it is really tough to say.. we have to just wait and see while taking into account all the future injuries of a team.. so as of NOW it is ridiculously hard to tell

luckynumber_752
12-12-2008, 03:50 AM
As much as I hate cliches and that ****.

Brandon Roy plays beyond his year. I think he'll bring them to the playoffs this year.

But really, as fantastic as the lakers have started, they've been playing piss poor lately, and they aren't untouchable.

I think if anyone suffers a major injury, it will spell their doom. Health is the key to the western conference race.

I agree with all of that. I think the Blazers will make it by a comfortable margine and finish better than most people around the league think they will. This is a much better team than last year. The Lakers are probably the best team in the West, but they have had a fairly pampered schedual. They will probably take the west, but another team, could surprisingly pass them up before it's all said and done. At this point, it's gonna be a showdown for about 8 teams. That's so true, any major injury to a star player, and that's probably the team that doesn't make it. The Jazz might b able to do it though, without a Boozer or Williams though. I made a thread almost just like this though, a couple days ago. I still think the Mavs will b the team that doesn't make it. They've been playin good lately, I just think they're the worst of the best in the West.

BrizzleBear
12-12-2008, 03:51 AM
The Suns

Duncan = Donkey
12-12-2008, 06:44 AM
way to early to tell, the season is still young. hopefully it wont be the suns

td0tsfinest
12-12-2008, 10:58 AM
If Houston can't stay healthy, there out otherwise I'd say the Dallas Mavericks. Maybe Mark Cuban can trade J-Kidd back for Harris.

DrDEADalready
12-12-2008, 11:01 AM
Dallas or portland won't make it.

JJ_JKidd
12-12-2008, 11:45 AM
Even if im a Mavs fan,,, I initially thought of the Mavs... But when i learned that Bell was Nash's bestfriend (Suns trade) I now pick the Suns... But who cares anyway if you make the playoffs but not win the Championship then whats the use???

Bosh=nextKG
12-12-2008, 11:56 AM
i gotta go with Dallas, they barely beat the bobcats who had neither jrich or wallace. I mean it's hard to judge tho cuz they havn't had howard in a while cuz of his injury and he is their 2nd best plaer so, who knows?

dre1990
12-12-2008, 12:03 PM
Dallas

PHX-SOXFAN
12-12-2008, 12:44 PM
Even if im a Mavs fan,,, I initially thought of the Mavs... But when i learned that Bell was Nash's bestfriend (Suns trade) I now pick the Suns... But who cares anyway if you make the playoffs but not win the Championship then whats the use???

as a mavs fan you surely can remember the last time Nash lost his "best friend" on the team?:o He did pretty well after Dirk.:D

Gibby23
12-12-2008, 12:47 PM
as a mavs fan you surely can remember the last time Nash lost his "best friend" on the team?:o He did pretty well after Dirk.:D

Didn't Dirk do better and go to the finals.:D

Gibby23
12-12-2008, 12:50 PM
I think the Suns. Nash is a PG that needs players around him that he can create for, now he has 3 guys with him that can create for themselves. He can still help out Amares game but can't do much with Shaq and J Rich. I don't think the pieces will fit that well and the bench will be an issue.

Vidball
12-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Wow...I guess people are really holding onto that small lead Denver has over the rest of the group--I'm the only one here that thinks the Nuggets will fall to the 9 seed. I actually think they might be close to the 9th seed after they play CLE and play in DAL, HOU & PHX next week (followed by a back to back against POR both nights). I would be surprised if Denver doesn't drop at least 4 of those 6 games. They are riding a nice little streak since the trade but its a long season and Denver has the worst big men PF/C combo of the 9 teams that are fighting for 8 spots out West. I think if this thread were made again around the end of the month Denver would probably be a popular pick.

todu82
12-12-2008, 07:20 PM
Dallas

The Answer3
12-12-2008, 07:37 PM
Mavs.

G-Funk
12-12-2008, 07:55 PM
Blazers still a young team, if not Dallas.

superkegger
12-12-2008, 08:06 PM
as a mavs fan you surely can remember the last time Nash lost his "best friend" on the team?:o He did pretty well after Dirk.:D


Didn't Dirk do better and go to the finals.:D

:laugh:

IversonIsKrazy
12-12-2008, 08:18 PM
we all noe its out of these teams.

Dallas
Phoenix
Portland

Portland has bin playing so good, so imma have 2 say there in. so its between suns and mavs. after the j-rich trade and the way the teams have bin playing, i gotta say the Dallas Mavericks will be the odd team out.

1. Lakers
2. Spurs
3. Hornets
4. Jazz
5. Nuggets
6. Rockets
7. Blazers
8. Suns

MooseWithFleas
12-12-2008, 08:39 PM
im gonna say dallas, but its close between them and phoenix

mrblisterdundee
12-12-2008, 08:40 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that Dallas will find some way to choke. They're classic for that.

Spurred1
12-12-2008, 11:59 PM
Phoenix-the defense is likely to worsen with the subtraction of Bell and too many guys needing the ball.
Denver should make the playoffs with no problem; Billups has really helped turn that team around.

#1Mavericksfan
12-13-2008, 12:43 AM
I like how eveybody is picking the Mavs not to make the playoffs and only a small amount of people picked the Suns and the season is still young, I'm not even surprised people picked the Mavs because the Mavs get no respect on this forum so therefore I'm not gonna give anybody else team respect, the Suns just became even worse at the defensive end in case anybody cares and atleast the Mavs attempting to play some defense.

superkegger
12-13-2008, 02:58 AM
I still think its too early. I think that its not going to come down to whos the best 8 teams, but who ended up bieng the healtiest 8 teams.

theimortalone
12-13-2008, 03:03 AM
Didn't Dirk do better and go to the finals.:D

True, but didnt Dirk Choke in the finals? ;)

jrivera
12-13-2008, 04:05 AM
Dallas

LAKERS 24/7
12-13-2008, 04:50 AM
IMO there are three tiers in the western conference (not including the **** teams)

1. Lakers

2. Spurs
3. Utah
4. New Orleans
5. Houston

6. Denver
7. Portland
8. Phoenix
9. Dallas

Dallas has been playing much better as of late (8-2 in last 10) so I'd say Phoenix is left out. But it is hard to predict at this point.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
12-13-2008, 05:02 AM
Blazers are overrated.

JJ81
12-13-2008, 02:03 PM
Dallas

Brendan
12-13-2008, 02:35 PM
I picked Houston to win it all before the season. Not a popular vote but my vote so we'll see what happens with them but i dont see them missing it

I dont think Phonix makes it. They are a mess right now

JAZZNC
12-13-2008, 04:41 PM
Blazers are overrated.

Very overrated. The Jazz killed them the other night without Boozer. Their big men are pretty soft and they don't really have a decent PG. All of their players are pretty average for the most part. They don't really have any stars, I just don't think they are that good. If they hadn't gone on that miracle streak last year they wouldn't have even been close to the playoffs.

chaugh970
12-13-2008, 04:43 PM
Blazers have lost 3 straight now if I'm correct? including the clips last night. They are gonna finish 3rd in the Northwest. I think its between them and the Suns.

rhino17
12-13-2008, 05:19 PM
Houston because they won't stay healthy

they havnt been healthy yet but they are still in 3rd place, goo call :eyebrow:


anyway, I say either Dallas or Portland. I just dont think Portland is as good as they are playing

DenButsu
12-14-2008, 02:11 AM
As of today, just a single game separates the 3 through 9 spots in the West:


Western W L PCT GB
L.A. Lakers1 19 3 0.864 0.0
Denver2 16 7 0.696 3.5
San Antonio3 14 8 0.636 5.0
New Orleans4 12 7 0.632 5.5
Houston5 15 9 0.625 5.0
Utah6 15 10 0.600 5.5
Portland7 15 10 0.600 5.5
Dallas 8 13 9 0.591 6.0
Phoenix 14 10 0.583 6.0

What a great playoff race it'll be again this season. :nod:

Spurred1
12-14-2008, 02:14 AM
^Wow-didn't realize that it was getting that close. Congrats on Denver's rise,btw. Without Billups, that would have never happened. Carmelo's good and all, but Billups is the one who runs that show.

superkegger
12-14-2008, 02:24 AM
IMO there are three tiers in the western conference (not including the **** teams)

1. Lakers

2. Spurs
3. Utah
4. New Orleans
5. Houston

6. Denver
7. Portland
8. Phoenix
9. Dallas

Dallas has been playing much better as of late (8-2 in last 10) so I'd say Phoenix is left out. But it is hard to predict at this point.


Denver is playing phenomenal ball, and in 2nd but they're in the third tier?

DenButsu
12-14-2008, 02:46 AM
Thanks spurred1... now what might be the toughest 6 game stretch of our season begins, so we'll see how we hold out through that.

superkegger
12-14-2008, 03:02 AM
Blazers have lost 3 straight now if I'm correct? including the clips last night. They are gonna finish 3rd in the Northwest. I think its between them and the Suns.

houston just lost to the clippers tonight as well.

I think its just going to be a wild ride in the west this year.

Vinny642
12-14-2008, 07:19 AM
Well im glad to see New Orleans is still a lock in the playoffs.

snickers
12-14-2008, 08:51 AM
houston just lost to the clippers tonight as well.

I think its just going to be a wild ride in the west this year.

have clipps been pretty good or something i guess getting zach randolph.
helped them lot.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-14-2008, 11:17 AM
Suns will make it

I think they'll get alot of long game winning streak like around 4-7 times this season

I think Dallas, I dont think Kidd and Drik can carry a team to the playoofs in the west if they trade Howard

Portland could be the one that doesnt make it. If someone(probably Oden) get injured for a long tim, i dont think they can complete hard and strong enough in the west

Lakergirl24
12-14-2008, 12:14 PM
Dallas, unless they make a trade

Vidball
12-21-2008, 03:17 PM
Wow...I guess people are really holding onto that small lead Denver has over the rest of the group--I'm the only one here that thinks the Nuggets will fall to the 9 seed. I actually think they might be close to the 9th seed after they play CLE and play in DAL, HOU & PHX next week (followed by a back to back against POR both nights). I would be surprised if Denver doesn't drop at least 4 of those 6 games. They are riding a nice little streak since the trade but its a long season and Denver has the worst big men PF/C combo of the 9 teams that are fighting for 8 spots out West. I think if this thread were made again around the end of the month Denver would probably be a popular pick.

Denver finally is facing some competition and they're really struggling. They've dropped 3 straight by an average of 12ppg. I really think they're gonna be the odd team out if the other teams stay relatively healthy.

hotpotato1092
12-21-2008, 03:36 PM
Yao and Tmac can't stay on the court, Houston gets eliminated in the last week of the season.

what54!?
12-21-2008, 03:56 PM
Dallas. I think their window is just closed now.

droalex
12-21-2008, 04:24 PM
I say Dallas.

JayW_1023
12-21-2008, 04:51 PM
Phoenix...their defense has gotten worse now and even their coach is unproven. At least Carlisle has a history of guiding teams to the postseason.

Dallas is defensively in much better shape than Phoenix.

The Answer3
12-21-2008, 05:49 PM
Phoenix...their defense has gotten worse now and even their coach is unproven. At least Carlisle has a history of guiding teams to the postseason.

Dallas is defensively in much better shape than Phoenix.


Phoenix certainly has the talent but their coach doesn't know what do with the players. He shouldn't run the offense through Shaq. Though, I still think they're gonna make the playoffs. Dallas isn't making it. They could certainly use Devin Harris right now.

Denver's not gonna finish top 4. With Billups they're extremely consistent adn much better defensively. They won't lose to mediocre-average teams. Denver's 5-7 against teams above .500 and 11-0 against teams below .500. Like I said, they haven't done anything to contend with the Cavs, Celtics and Lakers. They're in the same tier as Jazz, Suns and Rockets. I just think the lack of depth in their frontcourt might hurt them later on in the season.

innovator
12-21-2008, 08:46 PM
dallas

zambo4president
12-21-2008, 09:00 PM
Im thinkin its Portland.

UofA
12-21-2008, 09:08 PM
Dallas




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codes238
12-22-2008, 12:10 PM
i think denver, people are really overrating this team... they have no bench and i just dont think they have nearly enough talent as the other 8 teams...

everyones saying dallas but people tend to forget that theyve been pretty amazing since their rough start and theyve basically been playing the whole year without their 2nd best player who is now finally healthy...

DenButsu
12-22-2008, 12:13 PM
We've got enough talent. What we don't have is a coach who knows how to use it properly.

These last 3 games have been bigtime disappointments. But I still think it's ridiculous to think we won't find our way to the postseason.

bostncelts34
12-22-2008, 12:31 PM
Its weird for the west to be so top heavy. 9 good teams, with the rest pretty much being the worst teams in the league.

i was just thinking the same thing. ALl the talk about how the east is the JV league and blah blah blah. But agter the top 9 in the west, you really have no one at all lol. SO basically, 8 teams are fighting for 9 spots. I like those chance alot better than grabbing a spot in the east.

after top 9 in west:

Memphis-9 (no injuries, just blow)
clippers-8 (same ^^^)
goldenstate-8 (monta injury)
Kings-7 (no injuries)
Minny-4 (no injuries)
OKC-3 (on injuries)

Total wins- 39

east after top 9:

Philly- 12 (brand is out now)
NY-11 ( no injuries)
toronto-10 (no injuries/underperforming)
indy-10 (no injuries)
char-9 (no injuries)
wash-4 (Arena's injured)

total wins: 56


Anyways, to answer the actual question.


I beleive it is Dallas