View Full Version : Game 20: Utah Jazz (11-7) @ Sacramento Kings (5-14)

12-02-2008, 08:01 PM

Utah Jazz (utahjazz.com) @ Sacramento Kings (www.sacramentokings.com)

Date: December 2, 2008
Time: 10:00 PM ET
Location: ARCO Arena in Sacramento, CA



PG...........SG..........SF..........PF........... C
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Udrih (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/beno_udrih/index.html)---Jackson (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/bobby_jackson/index.html)---Garcia (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/francisco_garcia/index.html)---Hawes (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/spencer_hawes/index.html)---Miller (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brad_miller/index.html)


PG...........SG..........SF..........PF........... C
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Williams (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/deron_williams/index.html)---Brewer (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ronnie_brewer/index.html)---Miles (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/cj_miles/index.html)---Millsap (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_millsap/index.html)---Okur (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mehmet_okur/index.html)

STATISTICAL LEADERS: (http://www.nba.com/statistics/)


Kings Martin-22.4 Miller-7.9 Udrih-5.3 Udrih-1.2

Nets Boozer-20.5 Boozer-11.7 Williams-11.8 Brewer-2.0


Spencer Hawes vs. Paul Millsap


Kings Faithful
12-03-2008, 01:33 AM

12-03-2008, 01:37 AM
Douby blows, and Im losing faith in Reggie big time. Thats all I need to say..

12-03-2008, 02:03 AM
missed the game, anyone wanna give a quick recap?

Kings Faithful
12-03-2008, 02:16 AM
missed the game, anyone wanna give a quick recap?

(see every other game we lost by 8 points or less)

We basically outplayed them for most the game, they had a ridiculous amount of turnovers but for some reason they kept sticking in it and eventually took the lead in the fourth. Its a back and forth game up until the 3 minute mark when the jazz bump the lead to 4. At that point Reggie thinks its a good idea to play Quincy Douby instead of Francisco Garcia who was playing well. Well what happened was Douby had 2 chances to give us the lead with a three...one of them was a horrible wide open shot, the other was a flat out air ball. We lose after several BAD timeouts. Instead of taking threes at the end to at least give ourselves a chance being down by 5...we take twos and decide to foul Kyle Korver just so he can end the game with a Jazz win. We get screwed, and I have finally lost my faith in Reggie. Its time for him to go.

12-03-2008, 02:20 AM
Why was Douby even in. We have K-Mart and Garcia back.

12-03-2008, 02:20 AM
i don't know why reggie likes douby so much.... garcia is def way more clutch than douby even if he is hurt. reggie needs to stop playing douby, he's not part of our future plans and he's just killing the present. i mean, we just gave cisco a 5 year contract, let him earn it. LET HIM PLAY.

Kyle N.
12-03-2008, 02:42 AM
I thought it was a decent game, besides the fact we lost. Yeah, with Douby, I don't know. It's nothing against him or anything, it's not like we ourselves could have done better, but yeah, Garcia should have been in at the end of the game. I also agreed we should have taken a three ball at the end, but whatever. But what I saw was team that was fighting to win and playing decent basketball and trying to give the crowd their money's worth. I was pleased for the most part. The Jazz are good, even without Boozer, so I'm not cut up about it. Good job for Spencer starting. That dude is a straight up G. The spin move and dunk, and the behind the back pass were sick. Thank you Spencer, we owe you.

12-03-2008, 02:54 AM
couldnt watch the game but was watching the score on nba.com i see were up by 1 then we lose by what 6, 5 iono i forgot. i mean can the kings close out a game? we seriously could have a winning record right now.

12-03-2008, 03:37 AM
Having Douby play in the final minutes was weird. He didn't play all game and then Reggie brings him in with 3 or 4 minutes left in a tight game. Plus Douby gets two crucial shots near the end of the game. I don't know if Theus thinks that Douby is a clutch player or what. He's already taken the last shot in two games and now he gets brought in the end of a tight game. Douby has done nothing to show that he is a clutch player, we would have been better off with Cisco or Bobby in the game.

On the plus side, it was nice to nice K-Mart back in action and Hawes had a good game.

A quarter of the way into the season, we're already out of the playoff mix. It's time to start thinking about trading some of our veterans.

12-03-2008, 10:38 AM
It has been a long time since I posted anything on in PSD just because it has been such an abysmal season. But after watching every minute of every game, I have finally figured out what is going on with the Sacramento Kings.....

They Are Tanking Games

I know you may not believe it, or want to hear it, but please read my points as to why below-- Keep in mind I love the Kings and want to see them succeed, so I'm not a bitter fan, and I've been following the Kings for 10 years. Here we go, in order of sequence:

1) Petrie's track record shows only one signigicant FA Signing in the Kings era: Vlade Divac (whom I loved but lets face it, he was not a real star). Every other Star Player we've ever had (i.e. Webber, Bibby, Peja, Miller,) was obtained in trade or through the draft. Why? Because big name FA as you've all agreed in other threads are NOT coming to small market sactown. Even Webber who was traded here, whined the whole time until the fans embraced him. ***Thus, point #1 is that Petrie knows the only true way to get a superstar in the NBA is to draft high (see Portland w/back to back high picks) and how successful they are now.

2) Management has been pushing Theus to play the Youth....Develop the young guys, and help build a foundation. But then a week later he is being crucified on the radio by Joe Maloof for not winning? I don't buy it. That was a brilliant PR move in order to make it look like they actually care about winning so it doesn't appear that they are okay with losing. Over the last few years the Maloofs have always been vocal, but Petrie has always made sure those guys don't say something stupid to embarrass the organization. Also, at a 5 and 15 record, most other coaches with no proof of a winning history would be fired by now. (See PJ Carlisemo)

3) Inexplicable Coaching Moves by Theus. I don't know about you guys, but I actually think Reggie Theus is a good coach, and even in his rookie campaign, I saw him make some good decisions. This year, he is making very strange timeout calls, subsitutions, and play calls...Last night for example, was insane- I've been around coaches for several years and the one thing I know is that you never put a completely cold body into a game in crunch time, that is just ludicrous...and Reggie is NOT that stupid. He is a smart coach and there is no way I believe he puts in Douby OVER Garcia whom he has always favored since Louisville. No way. Not now, not ever, not on purpose. And a timeout at 3:59 in the 4th to draw a post up play call for Martin? Post Up? Again...no way...Theus is not making decisions that dumb.

4) Injury Bug... Hhhhmmmm, 4-5 Weeks for a Calf Strain (Garcia), 3 Extra Weeks for an Ankle (Martin), Garcia and Martin come back and all of a sudden Salmons is unavailable? Don't get me wrong, I believe of course all these guys were very injured, but the delay in rehab, and softness of Salmons thigh injury has me very intrigued.

5) Close Game Losses... Miller, Martin, Moore, Bobby Jackson- these guys are all Veteran players and have been on the floor in most end of game situations, and they know how to win-- the young guys have not been making the mistakes-- these guys have. Did anyone else find it strange that Miller didn't even step up on Deron Williams jumper last night, or that all of our bigs let hime waltz in the lane without so much as breathing on him in crunch time? I'm not saying that they are in on the big plot, but they are NOT putting in the effort that THEUS has been known to squeeze out, and under normal circumstances Theus would be furious-- but if you look at him on the sidelines-- even with his contract situation-- he seems calm, poised, and collected. Even his post game conference is subdued and low key. I know Theus is always poised and put together because he is that type of guy---but at 5-15 and inexplicable meltdowns, I would have to think we'd see a hint of frusteration-- and we haven't. Why? Because I don't think he is overly concerned with his job status.

6) The Wrap Up:

Theus has been given a directive by upper management (i.e. the Maloofs, Petrie) to play the young guys as much as possible to speed up the franchises development for next year and 2010. Knowing they will never land a FA outright without paying Gilbert Arenas money, they can tank games without actually having to say it. Theus does what he is told because he wants to stay around and grow with these young guys. He plays Donte, Quincy, and Thompson at in-opportune moments so that Petrie can evaluate what he has for future trades/signings, and waive options (See Miller, Moore, Williams). Theus is told that he needs to put these players in prime time situations - thus Quincy for 2 game winning shot attempts, and big shots last night. Thompson playing in the 4th making rookie mistakes (see fouling jumpshooters against detroit in the fourth).

Joe/Gavin make it appear like they are very concerned with winning by going to the games (even traveling for most- Gavin), and talking to the media about Theus' job security. This way, they have the option of firing or keeping Theus at any point and can still make it look like they weren't taking games.

Lastly, in the NBA, you don't choke this many games out by two points if you have Veterans on the team. Especially to the Nets. Or get blown out by a very bad Memphis team. Bad defensive schemes, timeouts, and play-calls are all easy ways to throw games without the fans or players being able to really accuse the organization of anything concrete. Only speculate.

I personally think this is the BEST thing for the organization and am in full agreement with this because quite frankly, until we get a star player, and a really athletic big man, we aren't going anywhere- and in the NBA no team ever lets those guys go-- see Orlando (Howard), Atlanta (Smith), Minnesota (Garnett), Cleveland (James), Denver (Anthony), Miami (Wade)....on and on and on. They give those guys extensions in their prime, and if you are lucky, the only thing you can do is a pull a Boston and hope the aged stars have gas in the tank.

I see Ricky Rubio/Brandon Jennings, or Blake Griffin in our future. I also see a later pick such as Hansborough in our future as well. And I think we have seen the last of Miller and Moore.

PS-- Two Years ago I told everyone in this forum how great Hawes would be, and 50% of you said I was crazy and that he was a slow, unathletic, jumpshooting Center who couldn't play defense. Thanks to the 50% who agreed with me, and thanks to Hawes for proving me right.

The future is bright for us--- Hawes Starting, with a high draft pick at the PF and/or Point positions next year with a healthy Martin and Salmons. Bringing Brown, Thompson, Garcia off the Bench. Perhaps picking up a FA such as Joe Johhson or Shawn Marion in trade.

Tank away I say...Tank away.

12-03-2008, 10:03 PM
The future is bright for us--- Hawes Starting, with a high draft pick at the PF and/or Point positions next year with a healthy Martin and Salmons. Bringing Brown, Thompson, Garcia off the Bench. Perhaps picking up a FA such as Joe Johhson or Shawn Marion in trade.

I don't know that we're tanking on purpose, but I do think that we're going to get a high draft pick. We definitely need a better PG, but I think that Thompson is going to be a good starting PF. Unless we can get Blake Griffin, PF shouldn't be a consideration for us. We do need a better SF, unless Greene develops at a rapid rate.