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Driven
11-30-2008, 12:21 AM
The Orioles have revisited trade talks with the Cubs about outfielder Felix Pie, according to industry sources, and could end up as the third team in a three-way deal that would send marquee right-hander Jake Peavy from the San Diego Padres to Chicago.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-orioles1129,0,3629851.story

Nice! If we could get Greene that would make it a great deal.

C - Hernandez/Weiters
1B - Huff
2B - Roberts
3B - Mora
SS - Greene
LF - Pie
CF - Jones
RF - Markakis
DH - Scott

Not a bad lineup at all.

Brendan
11-30-2008, 12:57 AM
Sources told the Baltimore Sun that the Orioles are discussing a Felix Pie deal with the Cubs and are potentially the third team in a Jake Peavy trade.

Given their lack of a legitimate center fielder, the Padres could use Pie themselves. However, it doesn't appear that they're very high on the 23-year-old. If the Cubs send Pie to Baltimore for Garrett Olson, that might make them a more attractive trade partner. It was reported earlier this month that the Padres offered Khalil Greene to Baltimore for Olson.

Told you i trusted the FO

mlciganek
11-30-2008, 03:07 PM
Cubs fan here. I would hate to give you guys Pie, but for us to get Peavy I do it in a second. Do you all think that Brian Roberts will

1) Resign there

2) Get traded this offseason?

Driven
11-30-2008, 04:59 PM
I would say he's more likely to re-sign, but the smart move would be to trade him.

TheShock45
11-30-2008, 08:08 PM
not an orioles fan or a padres fan or a cubs fan just curious haha

anybody think the padres will try and pawn khalil greene off on yas i know they want a replacement first but i think if the prospects are right they wouldnt mind throwing him your way

also wanted to say i like garrett olsen for felix pie i think the upside is in way better favor of the orioles

vick27m
11-30-2008, 08:23 PM
do you orioles fans think you are the third team in the trade or are they just rumors

blb
11-30-2008, 09:54 PM
do you orioles fans think you are the third team in the trade or are they just rumors

It doesn't really matter what O's fans think.

And everything is only a rumor until something actually happens.

That said, the O's were interested in Pie last year when Brian Roberts was on the block. I wouldn't be surprised if they're still interested...

Titansboy8788
11-30-2008, 10:35 PM
Pie is an outfielder right? i thought our outfield was set with Scott, Jones, and Markakis. Shouldn't we be focusing on acquiring starting pitching and a starting shortstop?

Driven
12-01-2008, 12:42 AM
And everything is only a rumor until something actually happens.

Disagree with this statement. The Orioles could easily be the third team right now, but if it doesn't happen, than it doesn't happen. It doesn't mean that it wasn't the truth.

vetoedbyangelos
12-01-2008, 09:12 AM
Pie reminds everybody of Corey Patterson, namely because of his slight build, tool set, and strikeout totals. I disagree somewhat with this evaluation. I see him more as a Mike Cameron-type player - solid, but not necessarily special. Yes, he has huge holes in his swing and he lacks any sort of plate discipline, but he is still only 23 years old. He's also 6'2", which means there is some room for him to fill out and develop more power, something Patterson couldn't do. If the Orioles could get him for Garrett Olson, I certainly think we should do it. I don't see Luke Scott acting as a DH, especially since he prefers to play the field - and hit poorly as a DH last year. If the Orioles pull this off, I'd guess that Scott could be traded for a SS. I think Huff is valuable to the team because he can play first base, third base, and he can DH - plus he's more offensively prolific. Not only that, but Pie and Reimold could platoon in left field and Montanez could be our reserve outfielder and pinch hitter. Since Scott's salary will soon go up, I think it's entirely possible he's already played his last game as an Oriole.

I hope the Orioles are the third team, as long as their involvement is limited to Garrett Olson for Felix Pie. I'm still hoping the Orioles pry J.J. Hardy and Mat Gamel from the Brewers, then maybe sign Teixeira. If they can do that, I'll be supremely happy. After all, our offense would be set - and we could sign grizzled veterans to hold over the rotation until our kids are ready to pitch. Since we're probably not going to land Burnett or Sheets, I'm guessing Carl Pavano and Freddy Garcia.

blb
12-01-2008, 12:27 PM
I hope the Orioles are the third team, as long as their involvement is limited to Garrett Olson for Felix Pie. I'm still hoping the Orioles pry J.J. Hardy and Mat Gamel from the Brewers, then maybe sign Teixeira. If they can do that, I'll be supremely happy. After all, our offense would be set - and we could sign grizzled veterans to hold over the rotation until our kids are ready to pitch. Since we're probably not going to land Burnett or Sheets, I'm guessing Carl Pavano and Freddy Garcia.

With Aubrey Huff as the O's top trade candidate and Hardy possibly moving to third to make room for Alcides Escobar, I don't see a trade going down between the O's and the Brewers. Besides, Milwaukee's out to replace CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets and the only pitching the O's have to offer is either (a) singlehandedly holding down the entire starting rotation (Jeremy Guthrie) or (b) being stockpiled in the minors for the O's future (Brian Matusz, Chris Tillman, Jake Arrieta, etc.). And since the Brewers already traded Matt LaPorta for a guy who's about to become a rental, I don't see them trading Hardy or Gamel unless they get a top of the rotation starter in return.

bigity b
12-01-2008, 12:36 PM
The Washington Post Blog was saying that if/when the Cubs acquire Peavy, Marquis would be the odd man out in the rotation. Apparently the Cubs want to send Pie and Marquis to the O's while the O's send Olsen, plus a strong prospect to the Padres (and the Cubs would send a prospect or 2 to the Padres) for Peavy. If that were the case, I would almost want the Cubs to send Marquis to the Padres and have the Padres send us Khalil Greene. That seems to echo the rumors last week that the O's turned down Greene for Olsen straight up. What do you all think of that?

Padres get: Olsen, Marquis, + a prospect from the O's and/or Cubs
Cubs get: Peavy
O's get: Pie and Greene

Then, as vetoed says above, we could flip Scott (although I think im one of the few that actually likes him in LF or as the 4th OF).

Number5
12-01-2008, 02:14 PM
The Washington Post Blog was saying that if/when the Cubs acquire Peavy, Marquis would be the odd man out in the rotation. Apparently the Cubs want to send Pie and Marquis to the O's while the O's send Olsen, plus a strong prospect to the Padres (and the Cubs would send a prospect or 2 to the Padres) for Peavy. If that were the case, I would almost want the Cubs to send Marquis to the Padres and have the Padres send us Khalil Greene. That seems to echo the rumors last week that the O's turned down Greene for Olsen straight up. What do you all think of that?

Padres get: Olsen, Marquis, + a prospect from the O's and/or Cubs
Cubs get: Peavy
O's get: Pie and Greene

Then, as vetoed says above, we could flip Scott (although I think im one of the few that actually likes him in LF or as the 4th OF).

I think the Cubs have to give up more than that to the Padres. At least 2 guys like Marshall and Cedeno would have to be added from Chicago to San Diego to make that deal have a chance to work IMO. Marquis is a problem. The Padres would never take on his salary - it defeats the whole purpose of dealing Peavy. The Cubs have salary issues, too, and really need him to go. He probably has to go to the Orioles, but I can't see the Orioles paying more to get him. To get Peavy, I'm guessing the Cubs just give him to the Orioles to make the deal work.

bigity b
12-01-2008, 05:06 PM
^^^ makes sense. I think its funny the Cubs want Marquis part of the deal as a throw in and no one wants him (even though he's in the last year of his contract - right?). These three teams trading to eachother with the basics outlined above (Padres get Olsen, Cubs get Peavy, O's get Pie) makes perfect sense and all they need to work out are the throw-ins (Marquis and/or Greene) and/or the propects the Padres get from whom - but i guess if it were that easy the deal would have been donw by now....

Titansboy8788
12-01-2008, 10:22 PM
Just curious as to why Olsen is drawing interest? if he is that good, then why dont the Orioles keep him, considering we need starting pitchers?

Driven
12-02-2008, 02:07 AM
Olson is the kind of guy that can put up nice numbers in the National League and in Petco, but I don't see it happening with the Orioles.

Eicholtz
12-02-2008, 09:10 AM
First thing I thought about when I heard this was what about Nolan Reimold? He may get screwed over again. As he was pissed last year but he didn't get a spring training invite last year. But if this happens and it becomes a competition for the last outfield spot Reimold vs Pie and the long shot because of defense Montanez I guess that's good for the team.

Young prospects are always intriguing but OF ones should be the least of their concerns IMO. But this all maybe setting something else up and if all we have to do is give up a prospect and Olson I guess it's worth it. Especially if they get their SS too.

I just have to say it but I still want Hardy.........but that ain't happening.

Either way this will be interesting.

bigity b
12-02-2008, 11:33 AM
^^^ interesting to say the least... i forgot about Reimold and Montanez. Are you suggesting that if we get Pie, we'll flip Reimold of Montanez as part of a package in another deal? What if one of them was the prospect mentioned (to the Padres) and we get Pie, Marquis, and Greene back - would you be satisfied with that? Cover 3 holes with 2 players and now they can focus on SP and Texeria!

In the end i trust the GM. He did a hell of a job last year...

ABTY7
12-02-2008, 04:02 PM
I think the Cubs have to give up more than that to the Padres. At least 2 guys like Marshall and Cedeno would have to be added from Chicago to San Diego to make that deal have a chance to work IMO. Marquis is a problem. The Padres would never take on his salary - it defeats the whole purpose of dealing Peavy. The Cubs have salary issues, too, and really need him to go. He probably has to go to the Orioles, but I can't see the Orioles paying more to get him. To get Peavy, I'm guessing the Cubs just give him to the Orioles to make the deal work.

Not really- this year the Padres would save 3M(ish) from Peavy to Marquis- however, more importantly is that the Padres would A.) have young pieces in place in which they control for years and B.) Rid themselves of the remaining 48M owed to Peavy from 2010-2012 + a 22M option in 2013

Eicholtz
12-03-2008, 11:36 AM
^^^ interesting to say the least... i forgot about Reimold and Montanez. Are you suggesting that if we get Pie, we'll flip Reimold of Montanez as part of a package in another deal? What if one of them was the prospect mentioned (to the Padres) and we get Pie, Marquis, and Greene back - would you be satisfied with that? Cover 3 holes with 2 players and now they can focus on SP and Texeria!

In the end i trust the GM. He did a hell of a job last year...

I don't want to see Reimold go. I want to see what he can do. If he was included in a deal I would hope it would be for more than a guy who hasn't panned out for his current club (Pie).

Getting the shortstop would help but apparently they could have acquired Greene just for Olson. So there isn't a need for anyone one of our young guys to go unless it was for someone good or better than Greene. I wasn't crazy about Greene when I first heard the rumors BUT for Olson I would have done that in a heartbeat.

As far as a Marquis I am sure there is a better option somewhere. ERA almost 5 in the NL. This guy would have Russ Ortiz numbers by time his tenure would be over in Baltimore. So no to him.

If they were talking about acquiring someone elses young productive players for vets then I would be all for it. This of course is all speculation so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

bigity b
12-03-2008, 04:21 PM
^^^ Marquis' NL ERA scares me too, but i would take him on for two reasons, 1) its the last year of his contract 2) he would be that vet on the staff that coaches love. i.e. he would fill the trashel role this year and couldnt do any worse.

Eicholtz
12-03-2008, 05:41 PM
^^^ Marquis' NL ERA scares me too, but i would take him on for two reasons, 1) its the last year of his contract 2) he would be that vet on the staff that coaches love. i.e. he would fill the trashel role this year and couldnt do any worse.

Yeah being that we have only 1 starter locked in and a bunch of question marks a veteran he would help. If they did get him I would just hope there would be a better pitcher coming along as well. With that said now that Payton is gone I just don't want to see our young guys get caught up in some OF log jam. Unless it brings something fruitful in return.

Speaking of other pitchers. I am anxious to see Troy Patton. Also hopefully Albers can regain his form from last year and stay healthy. IMO that was the moment the pitching staff started it's nose dive. He was and is an important cog on this team's pitching staff.

Brendan
12-03-2008, 07:20 PM
Nothing has happened yet. Starting to seem unlikely...

Brendan
12-03-2008, 10:41 PM
The New York Post reports that the Padres are close to trading Khalil Greene to an undisclosed team.

It's believed that they've pffered him around to the Orioles and Tigers, but they were having trouble finding a deal they liked. St. Louis and Kansas City could be possibilities here.

Rotoworld

Could he be coming here?

vetoedbyangelos
12-08-2008, 03:58 PM
I started a thread in the Orioles forum regarding the three way trade. The Orioles can afford to absorb Marquis' contract - and they can give the Cubs that left-handed power-hitter they're looking for (Luke Scott). If we ship Olson for Pie, then it makes sense to send Scott to the Cubs. We'd pick up Marquis' contract, but since that isn't an even swap, the Cubs would add extra to their end and have San Diego ship us Chris Young - even if we had to kick in with Montanez to get it done (which I think would do it).

This would be a winner all the way around. The Cubs would get Peavy and Scott, the Orioles would get Pie, Marquis, and Young, and the Padres would get Olson and Montanez from the Orioles, in addition to whatever it is the Cubs are offering.

The Padres get prospects, the Cubs get their needs met, and we get a prospect and two veteran starters.

Tone091
12-09-2008, 10:22 AM
I hope that happens, I like Chris Young but I doubt they would let him go.

bigity b
12-09-2008, 02:11 PM
(Not sure where to post this so I did on the other thread as well... can someone move this thread or the other one and combine them?)

From RotoWorld today, http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Hea...MLB&hl=252674;

"Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune writes that it would "be a stunner" if the Cubs don't acquire Jake Peavy by the end of this week's winter meetings.

A four-team deal could be in the works with Peavy heading to Chicago, Mark DeRosa to Philadelphia, and Felix Pie to Baltimore. The Padres would receive Garrett Olson, J.A. Happ and Sean Marshall. The Cubs would also like to unload Jason Marquis and some of his $9.5 million 2009 salary on either the Orioles or Phillies. It seems like an excellent deal for the Cubs, who would open the '09 season with a rotation of Peavy, Carlos Zambrano, Ryan Dempster, Rich Harden and Ted Lilly. Dec. 9 - 11:38 am et"

So now the Phillies are involved. I have to believe we do more than just give up Olsen to the Pads fro Pie from the Cubs. I would like to think we could fill some other holes (SS or SP). Hopefully Marquis goes to Philly to replace Moyer and we could somehow get Young and/or Blanks...

Billy Griffin
12-09-2008, 02:19 PM
The last thing the Orioles need is another outfielder.
They fielded a great young outfield in 2008 with about 3-4 new AAA stars coming to their 2009 spring training.
We have Adam Jones, Markakis and 3 great left-fielders vying for the left field position.
Instead of Felix Pie and/or Freel from Cincinnati...
they should be trading Garrett Olsen to San Diego for Khalil Greene and the catcher Hernadez for a second basemen and a AAA pitcher.

vetoedbyangelos
12-09-2008, 02:47 PM
Greene is already gone. Towers traded him to St. Louis. Just to be clear, Scott isn't that young. He was a serviceable part, not a prospect. Adding Pie and letting him platoon with Reimold is smart, especially if we add Freel as a super-utility player. Gives the Orioles greater flexibility. Montanez is not a AAA star, and Reimold has never played above AA. We can't overvalue our prospects and assume we always have the solution internally.

If the Orioles trade Hernandez, it doesn't mean Wieters will be the starting catcher on day one either - MacPhail has already stated that they were interested in adding a veteran catcher. Somebody like Gregg Zaun would make sense.

Scott, Reimold, and Montanez aren't great left fielders. Two are unproven commodities (Reimold and Montanez), and two are sub-par defensively (Scott and Montanez). Reimold might end up being the solution in left, but the Orioles shouldn't put all of their eggs in one basket. What if Reimold gets hurt again? It's happened before, that's why he's 25 and he's never been above AA.