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Brendan
11-29-2008, 04:47 PM
Aaron Cook or Chien-Ming Wang?

Matt-the-great
11-29-2008, 04:50 PM
add a poll..

i say Cook....great numbers at Coors

METS CP 5
11-29-2008, 04:52 PM
Wang

jkiddvc20
11-29-2008, 05:29 PM
Wang by far.

johnnylee722
11-29-2008, 05:39 PM
Wang's a good #1 lol

Gigantes4Life
11-29-2008, 06:31 PM
Cook.

Wang should be a #3.

yaowowrocket11
11-29-2008, 07:48 PM
Aaron Cook

Joba Rules!!
11-29-2008, 10:31 PM
Cook:

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
2005 26 COL NL 7 2 13 13 2 0 0 0 83.3 101 38 34 8 16 24 2 3 357 2 0 3.67 4.78 130 1.404
2006 27 COL NL 9 15 32 32 0 0 0 0 212.7 242 107 100 17 55 92 7 2 915 11 0 4.23 4.90 116 1.397
2007 28 COL NL 8 7 25 25 2 0 0 0 166.0 178 87 76 15 44 61 6 0 698 6 0 4.12 4.79 116 1.337
2008 29 COL NL 16 9 32 32 2 1 0 0 211.3 236 102 93 13 48 96 4 6 886 2 0 3.96 4.60 116 1.344 AS

Wang:

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
2005 25 NYY AL 8 5 18 17 0 0 0 0 116.3 113 58 52 9 32 47 6 3 486 3 0 4.02 4.23 105 1.246
2006 26 NYY AL 19 6 34 33 2 1 1 1 218.0 233 92 88 12 52 76 2 6 900 4 1 3.63 4.52 124 1.307
2007 27 NYY AL 19 7 30 30 1 0 0 0 199.3 199 84 82 9 59 104 8 9 823 1 1 3.70 4.47 121 1.294
2008 28 NYY AL 8 2 15 15 1 0 0 0 95.0 90 44 43 4 35 54 3 0 402 1 0 4.07 4.44 109 1.316

The numbers are really close. It isn't a huge surprise that Cook hasn't been smacked around too bad at Coors seeing as that he's a sinkerballer, but that being said he has managed to throw up good numbers in a notorious hitters park. Wang has the edge in WHIP by quite a bit in '05-'07 and also beat Cook out in '08 (He only pitched ~80 innings though)

Wang's career FIP is 3.90, Cook's is 4.32
Wang's career BABIP is .287, Cook's is .307
Wang's career WHIP is 1.29, Cook's is 1.44
Wang's career BAA is .264, Cook's is .290
K/9,BB/9, and K/BB are all very, very close

I'd take Wang. Not by much, but it seems like he has room to improve more so than Cook, because he has yet to harvest that devastating bowling ball of a sinking heater. Call it being a homer, but that's who I would want.

A_Roid_33333
11-30-2008, 12:54 AM
neither

asufan55
11-30-2008, 01:15 AM
Chien Ming Wang

CY24
11-30-2008, 03:57 AM
umm...Cook

theLgndKllr35
11-30-2008, 04:16 AM
I'd go with Wang.

Run Gardner Run
11-30-2008, 01:37 PM
Wang is a decent #1 pitcher, led us to the playoffs 2 years in a row. I'd take Wang in a heartbeat

todu82
11-30-2008, 05:05 PM
Wang

belliard is god
11-30-2008, 08:31 PM
cook

Joba Rules!!
11-30-2008, 10:25 PM
Is anyone going to give their reasoning or is the hatred for the Yankees so deep with some people that they think they don't need to give one?

MetsFan19
11-30-2008, 10:55 PM
Aaron Cook puts his numbers up at coors field
he is one of the best at getting ground balls


....Cook is no Joke

Gigantes4Life
12-01-2008, 10:53 AM
Is anyone going to give their reasoning or is the hatred for the Yankees so deep with some people that they think they don't need to give one?

Sure, Wang is ****.

Compared to Cook that is.

EAGLES3658
12-01-2008, 01:55 PM
Cook.

Wang should be a #3.

:laugh2:

Wang has been a good #1.....it is just that he is not an ace. He would be a great #2.

I pick Wang by far.

EAGLES3658
12-01-2008, 01:56 PM
Sure, Wang is ****.

Compared to Cook that is.

Wang>Cook

Gigantes4Life
12-01-2008, 06:46 PM
:laugh2:

Wang has been a good #1.....it is just that he is not an ace. He would be a great #2.

I pick Wang by far.

Wang's tRA+ in his career were:

116, 107, 95, 100.

He's never pitched like a #1 in his career (118 and above), and he was a decent #2 in 2006. These last two seasons he's been a very average #3 SP in the MLB.

Cook on the otherhand, was a 112, 94 and 106 the past three years (few IP in 2005).

Cook was a very good #2 this year, and was much better than Wang.

Cook>Wang

McJoe
12-01-2008, 06:51 PM
Wang has been the ace of the Yankees staff for like 3 years...both are sinkerballers which make them both very good candidates to be good 2 starters but aces in the way that they can log A LOT of innings.

Id take Wang based on what he has done the past few years...Joba posted the stats and im way too lazy to do it again...lol

championmets
12-01-2008, 08:44 PM
wang is better than cook, but wang is by no means a #1

flips333
12-01-2008, 08:47 PM
cook

Definitely cook... Did you see the all star game? He was awsome in that shows clutch. And he's done it @ Coors.

EAGLES3658
12-01-2008, 10:47 PM
yeah lets base everything off of the allstar game........

EAGLES3658
12-01-2008, 10:48 PM
Wang's tRA+ in his career were:

116, 107, 95, 100.

He's never pitched like a #1 in his career (118 and above), and he was a decent #2 in 2006. These last two seasons he's been a very average #3 SP in the MLB.

Cook on the otherhand, was a 112, 94 and 106 the past three years (few IP in 2005).

Cook was a very good #2 this year, and was much better than Wang.

Cook>Wang

U dont watch the games like i do he keeps us int he game every night and when he pitches we have the best chance to win

Gigantes4Life
12-02-2008, 02:22 AM
U dont watch the games like i do he keeps us int he game every night and when he pitches we have the best chance to win

Of course, you know better than I do because you're a professional scout.

CY24
12-02-2008, 02:46 AM
Of course, you know better than I do because you're a professional scout.
woah. settle down

ShinobiNYC
12-02-2008, 03:43 PM
Wang : AL East
Cook: NL West


I think you know the answer.

quiksilver2491
12-02-2008, 03:46 PM
Wang : AL East
Cook: NL West


I think you know the answer.

Uhh you do realize that Cook plays in Coors? Cook is the better pitcher.

championmets
12-02-2008, 05:20 PM
Uhh you do realize that Cook plays in Coors? Cook is the better pitcher.

uhh do you realize that there are no really good bats in the NL west

championmets
12-02-2008, 05:20 PM
uhh do you realize that there are no really good bats in the NL west

And if u say manny ur crazy, he was there for like two months

Run Gardner Run
12-02-2008, 10:27 PM
Of course, you know better than I do because you're a professional scout.

Wang keeps the Yankees in the game, thats all that matters. Its why hes such a good pitcher. He doesnt find himself getting taken out early in games for giving up alot of runs.