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JordansBulls
11-25-2008, 05:15 PM
Source: DailyNews (http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_11067360)




Randolph seemed generally pleased to be in Los Angeles and playing with the Clippers, despite their woeful start to the season, and even more tumultuous offseason.

Asked whether he was comfortable trying to fill the shoes left by Elton Brand, Randolph laughed, then confidently said, "Shoot, he ain't better than me. He ain't better than me."

MiamiHeat
11-25-2008, 05:17 PM
OHHH SNAP!! son get his ***!!

madiaz3
11-25-2008, 05:32 PM
A center like Camby next to Randolph is the most balanced and effective combo one could ask for, as for latent talent, probably not, but that combination could be more effective than what could have been with Brand retained.

mariotubes
11-25-2008, 05:43 PM
Hes had a better year thus far, but im not too sure if he can keep that up. We'll hafta see

Ni55anpat
11-25-2008, 05:43 PM
I actually think Randolph is better then Brand, just my 2 cents

MiamiHeat
11-25-2008, 05:46 PM
he's averaging beast stats this year

superkegger
11-25-2008, 05:47 PM
He might be. but zbo is also a team cancer and grade a pos. so whatever.

Catfish1314
11-25-2008, 05:51 PM
Catfish1314 on this comment: "Yes he is."

Elton Brand puts up an effort to stop his opponent from scoring. Zach Randolph is probably not familiar with this term, but it's called defense. And I won't bother looking but I'm willing to bet Brand's percentages are far more attractive than Randolph's as well.

MiamiHeat
11-25-2008, 06:08 PM
catfish1314 on this comment: "yes he is."

elton brand puts up an effort to stop his opponent from scoring. Zach randolph is probably not familiar with this term, but it's called defense. And i won't bother looking but i'm willing to bet brand's percentages are far more attractive than randolph's as well.

through 14 games
brand:
Fg% .433
ft% .730

through 11 games
randolph:
Fg% .434
ft% .821

Aapox
11-25-2008, 06:12 PM
Lol, too bad Elton Brand played at Duke and learned how to play team basketball.

Catfish1314
11-25-2008, 06:14 PM
through 14 games
brand:
Fg% .433
ft% .730

through 11 games
randolph:
Fg% .434
ft% .821

Brand's career percentages have got to be higher, so I expect that will change. Regardless, I would rather have Brand because he's the superior defender.

madiaz3
11-25-2008, 06:19 PM
Randolph this year is actually in SOME shape, so yes he doesn't get owned on defense, but he's a tenacious rebounder which includes boxing out obviously. He doesn't get scored on by scrubs only by the likes of TD, but who doesn't? There is usually only one big man of TD's caliber per opponent so with Camby limiting the offense of one guy, Randolph can continually outscore and outperform the other opposing C or PF with ease.

Catfish1314
11-25-2008, 06:24 PM
Randolph this year is actually in SOME shape, so yes he doesn't get owned on defense, but he's a tenacious rebounder which includes boxing out obviously. He doesn't get scored on by scrubs only by the likes of TD, but who doesn't? There is usually only one big man of TD's caliber per opponent so with Camby limiting the offense of one guy, Randolph can continually outscore and outperform the other opposing C or PF with ease.

Camby's actually not that great of a defender. He's a great shotblocker and the best there is coming over to help, but he's not very big. He's long and mobile, but he's only about 230 pounds so a lot of big men tend to pretty much set the tone on him. That's why Nene guarded Duncan in the 2007 playoffs.

Hustla23
11-25-2008, 06:29 PM
LOL people still think he's selfish and a cancer? Have you ***** watched a single knicks game this year? This guy has completely turned his game around. Passing and playing unselfish ball and hustling on defense like never before.

I'm actually really sad we let Zach go. I was hoping we could trade Curry and other bad contracts instead.

Gibby23
11-25-2008, 06:32 PM
Was he suppose to say "Yeah, Brand is better than me, I suck."

t-mac1nukka
11-25-2008, 06:37 PM
no! he didnt have to say either was better. could of said something like "those are big shoes to fill, but thats what im here to do." he was limited to saying "im better" or "hes better."

Hustla23
11-25-2008, 06:40 PM
Well atleast it's nice to hear some people speak their mind and not bore us with their political correctness :)

Gibby23
11-25-2008, 06:53 PM
I like it, and im sure the Clippers like it. It means he has something to prove when he is on the court wearing a clipper uniform.

goku
11-25-2008, 07:09 PM
the clippers are the new knicks they have talent but it dont mix chemistry wise

brand is better than zack offensively and on defense

Gibby23
11-25-2008, 07:17 PM
the clippers are the new knicks they have talent but it dont mix chemistry wise

brand is better than zack offensively and on defense

Not this year so far. You can say it was because of the System, but Zach has put up these kinds of numbers in the past.

arlubas
11-25-2008, 07:20 PM
Lol, too bad Elton Brand played at Duke and learned how to play team basketball.

As opposed to Randolph who played for Michigan State and Tom Izzo who don't preach team basketball? Dude, seriously stop talking about things you don't know anything about.

patevish
11-25-2008, 07:41 PM
I am glad to have randolph on my fantasy team and since Marcus Camby plays his game with more emphasis on defense, as a ZBO fantasy owner... I think he will start to score 25-30 pts/gm and start grabbing 12-15 rbs a night. woooooooooo. And how the hell is randolph a cancer ??? Hes been putting up 20-10 like every game and he never gets any limelight at all. He is sooo underrated

JIDsanity
11-25-2008, 07:57 PM
It's true on offense, but Randoph baby Brand plays d, and hes loved by the media

michaellui11
11-25-2008, 08:50 PM
so far..i agree with him

McPeak92
11-25-2008, 09:32 PM
Zack put up those numbers with one other legit scoring option, Brand shares the ball with Thaddeus, Willie, Miller, Iguodala, Williams and defensively Zack is a joke were Brand is one of the best defensive PFs in the game. Zack is kidding himself if he thinks hes as good as EB.

Phitin' Phan
11-25-2008, 09:53 PM
Not this year so far. You can say it was because of the System, but Zach has put up these kinds of numbers in the past.

Its been like 13 games into the season. Stats this far into the season mean nothing. Just because Randolph has had 15 better games doesn't mean you can throw away the fact that Brand has been better his entire career. Brand is the better player, period.

ShaunRiching9
11-25-2008, 10:09 PM
OMG i hate randolf

TheBatchelor213
11-25-2008, 10:14 PM
Zach is better, not that Zach has won any championships but Elton is a pansy and will never be a winner.

Jacob K.
11-25-2008, 10:32 PM
anyone know if Philidelphia and the Clippers play eachother this year?

McPeak92
11-25-2008, 10:33 PM
anyone know if Philidelphia and the Clippers play eachother this year?

you serious?

40oz
11-25-2008, 10:44 PM
eh, close to a tie...i'd rather have Brand...he jumps

da wood
11-25-2008, 10:55 PM
anyone know if Philidelphia and the Clippers play eachother this year?

no they dont play this season i think they play at the end of next season.

da wood
11-25-2008, 10:57 PM
no they dont play this season i think they play at the end of next season.

man you know i'm just playing. you know you really need not come to an nba forum to talk basketball if you don't know something as simple as that. you really sound like mcnabb right now.:(

DenButsu
11-25-2008, 11:47 PM
Here are comparative stats for what appear to me to be their respective best seasons (05-06 for Brand, 06-07 for Z-Bo):


Per 36 Minutes:
Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Elton Brand 2005-06 26 79 79 3099 8.8 16.7 .527 0.0 0.0 .333 5.1 6.6 .775 2.7 6.4 9.2 2.4 0.9 2.3 2.0 2.6 22.7
Zach Randolph 2006-07 25 68 67 2425 8.9 19.1 .467 0.2 0.7 .292 5.8 7.1 .819 3.0 7.3 10.2 2.2 0.8 0.2 3.2 2.7 23.9

Advanced:
Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS
Elton Brand 2005-06 26 79 3099 26.5 .580 .527 9.3 19.9 14.8 13.1 1.4 4.9 9.3 27.7 116 100 9.4 5.6 15.0
Zach Randolph 2006-07 25 68 2425 22.8 .537 .472 10.0 25.6 17.6 12.8 1.2 0.5 12.6 33.1 106 109 3.6 1.8 5.4


To me, it's primarily a question of whether Brand is completely able to recover his previous form or not (and I haven't been following him closely this season, so I don't know how far he's come). But given his superior defense and efficiency, where most of the main things like scoring and rebounding are pretty close, I'd probably take Brand over Zach on his being the more complete player.

Hustla23
11-26-2008, 12:08 AM
I agree with the person who said a Camby-Zach tandem would be alot more efficient than a Camby-Brand combo.

They just compliment each other so much better.

29$JerZ
11-26-2008, 12:11 AM
Brand is a better defensive player than Zach but that's not saying much. Zach isn't an athletic player like Brand but he has magnets for hands.

Offensively I think Zach is a bit better, Brand is more polish but they aren't that much different offensively.

king4day
11-26-2008, 12:19 AM
If Zach leads this team to the playoffs, then I'll say he's better. From what I've seen, I have to go with Brand though.

xxdc2tegxx
11-26-2008, 12:25 AM
blah whatever....

I agree that people under rate Randolphs game...he is 20 and 10 but in the end--other than statistics--what GM in their right mind is going to choose randolph over Brand?

It like saying Jamal Crawford is better than any other sg not named kobe bryant

DenButsu
11-26-2008, 12:27 AM
I agree with the person who said a Camby-Zach tandem would be alot more efficient than a Camby-Brand combo.

They just compliment each other so much better.

I don't know about that, man. I think ZBo-Camby is a very risky defensive proposition... If they actually do trade Kaman, then it will just be absolutely hilarious watching Camby trying to defend in the post against the likes of Duncan, Nene, Bynum, Dwight, Yao, Shaq, etc.

b_rad23
11-26-2008, 12:30 AM
blah whatever....

I agree that people under rate Randolphs game...he is 20 and 10 but in the end--other than statistics--what GM in their right mind is going to choose randolph over Brand?

It like saying Jamal Crawford is better than any other sg not named kobe bryant

I guess that analogy works...except...there are at least 5 SGs with better stats and who are much better all around.

hockeypro68
11-26-2008, 12:41 AM
Offensively Randolph is ahead of Brand, but Elton has solid defense and shot blocking ability.

dre1990
11-26-2008, 12:44 AM
if i where him i would say the same thing, plus he is better IMO

hdxstunts1
11-26-2008, 12:45 AM
Was he being sarcastic or something because thats like Ben Gordon being interviewed on him filling Jordans shoes and saying Gordon is better! Randolph sucks if he was in any decent kind of shape he would be a middle of the pack player if he was in good shape and had a good attitude i might be able to see a slight resemblence in the play of Randolph compared to Brand!

Giaps
11-26-2008, 12:51 AM
Zach will always be cool in my book. He became a better person and player while playing for the Knicks.

arlubas
11-26-2008, 03:27 AM
NVM this post.

THE MTL
11-26-2008, 03:35 AM
Isnt he supposed to have this kinda of attitude. I mean is is supposed to be like Elton Brand is better than me. Actually, Brand is part of the reason why Philly is so mediocre this year. One can argue that Randolph is better. Take Zach and minus the "attitude problems" (which have been nonexistent for the past two years) and you get an allstar.

DreamShaker
11-26-2008, 04:13 AM
He can prove it by helping the Clips to wins....

TMAC94
11-26-2008, 04:16 AM
he is this season

carlo4444
11-26-2008, 04:56 AM
lol idk i think he probs could beat him but i rather have brand

amare#1
11-26-2008, 06:42 AM
Brand has had a better career, but Randolph is in better form.

DenButsu
11-26-2008, 09:13 AM
Brand has had a better career, but Randolph is in better form.

I think that's a pretty fair characterization for the moment, but the longer term question becomes how much of his previous form can Brand recover? If he can get back to where he was at before (as, say, Kenyon Martin appears to have), I'd still give him the nod as the superior overall player until Z-Bo proves otherwise.

Daze9900
11-26-2008, 10:26 AM
Yeah that cancer thing has got to stop. He puts up beast numbers night in and night out. When Kobe scores 81 points, rapes white girls eliminates the possibility of consequetive championships, throws teamates under the bus on youtube he's not a cancer. Zbo can't seem to shake the rap he had in portland when he was a cancer off the court. He's a very consistent player with an occaisional mental lapse, but on the court his 20 and 12 really does more to help teams win than lose. Period. As for the Brand thing, they are both similar players. I think the Achilles thing brought brought Brand back down to earth with the mortals a bit.

MiamiHeat
11-26-2008, 10:35 AM
Isnt he supposed to have this kinda of attitude. I mean is is supposed to be like Elton Brand is better than me. Actually, Brand is part of the reason why Philly is so mediocre this year. One can argue that Randolph is better. Take Zach and minus the "attitude problems" (which have been nonexistent for the past two years) and you get an allstar.

your sig is no homo at all....

Missing56&33
11-26-2008, 10:38 AM
The Clippers are getting a skilled player that can do a lot of good things. Zach is playing with a lot of confidence right now

legendkillerv2
11-26-2008, 12:10 PM
you guys are stupid, wat was he suppose to say EB is better than me. Dude thats called confidence, he has confidence that he is better than EB.

mrblisterdundee
11-26-2008, 12:42 PM
Zach is playing better basketball, and he's one of the most consistent players in the league.

JJ81
11-26-2008, 01:39 PM
That's what I like to hear.

The Blue Baller
11-26-2008, 02:10 PM
Lol, too bad Elton Brand played at Duke and learned how to play team basketball.

Elton Brand is white?

IBleedPurple
11-26-2008, 03:35 PM
Camby's actually not that great of a defender. He's a great shotblocker and the best there is coming over to help, but he's not very big. He's long and mobile, but he's only about 230 pounds so a lot of big men tend to pretty much set the tone on him. That's why Nene guarded Duncan in the 2007 playoffs.

Agreed. Camby is a good individual face-up defender, and 'team helper'. If you go for a shot while he is facing you, he might block it. If you miss, he will probably get the board. But besides that, his defense for his size is suspect. 6-8 teams in the West have a big man that can overpower him down low.

Brand>Randolph

dbow1920
11-26-2008, 03:58 PM
Brand is better, however Randolph is awesome as well....i mean look at when they played each other... brand had 24 pts and 14 rebounds, Randolph had 12 pts and 7 boards...granted its only 1 game and **** happens, but it is something to start on...but theres also the fact that brand plays great d, an area where randolph isnt as good, brand also has a better work ethic and is a better team player

MrBloop
11-26-2008, 04:22 PM
Camby's actually not that great of a defender. He's a great shotblocker and the best there is coming over to help, but he's not very big. He's long and mobile, but he's only about 230 pounds so a lot of big men tend to pretty much set the tone on him. That's why Nene guarded Duncan in the 2007 playoffs.

What are you talking about? Camby is one of the best defenders we've had in the league in the last 10-12 years...when healthy.

Nene guarded Duncan b/c of the matchup, fouls, and the fact that he's a great weak side defender.

He's a game changer on the defensive end. He's always gonna give up pounds in the post, but thats his only deficiency in his defensive game.

DenButsu
11-26-2008, 09:03 PM
What are you talking about? Camby is one of the best defenders we've had in the league in the last 10-12 years...when healthy.

Nene guarded Duncan b/c of the matchup, fouls, and the fact that he's a great weak side defender.

He's a game changer on the defensive end. He's always gonna give up pounds in the post, but thats his only deficiency in his defensive game.

It all depends on how you define defense. If you define it strictly by blocking shots and grabbing defensive boards, then Camby's the best in the business.

If you define it (for centers/pfs) as actually playing one-on-one defense in the post, making proper rotations to block the lane, locking down and frustrating opponenets, and having an intimidating presence, then he's one of the weakest starters in the league.


So if you want to make a generous characterization, it probably should be, "good in some ways, but incomplete". If you want to be a little more brutally honest, it would be "an opportunistic stat padder who waits for easy chances and battles his own teammates for rebounds while failing to contribute much more to the overall team defensive effort than swatting at the layups of guards who penetrate from the perimeter and waiting to grab misses".

^All of this only applies to his time with the Nuggets, though. To be fair, I haven't watched him play yet on the Clippers this season. But from what I know of him, Camby is great at what he does well, but what he does well is strictly limited to blocks, boards, and feeding the post with some pretty sweet passes. If you're looking for honest, in-front-of-your-man harassing defense, you won't get much from him.