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JordansBulls
11-19-2008, 09:33 PM
What guys from the last 4 drafts (2004-2007) could we consider busts now?

Rockets Fanatic
11-19-2008, 09:35 PM
Bargnani

Lakers4ItAll
11-19-2008, 09:42 PM
Darko

OY!
11-19-2008, 09:44 PM
2004 Draft:
Emeka Okafor (still good but not as good everybody thought he was gonna be)
Shaun Livingston
Luke Jackson
Rafael Araujo
Josh Childress (actually i thought he was ok, but he was the 6th pick, so....)

2005 draft:
Marvin Williams
Raymond Felton
Fran Vazquez
Sean May
Gerald Green

2006 draft:
Andrea Bargnani (one of the worst 1st picks since kwame brown and sam bowie)
Adam Morrison (i think he is)
Shelden Williams
Patrick O'Bryant (100% bust!)
J.J. Redick (for now he's a bust but i await the magic to give him some min)
Cedric Simmons
Renaldo Balkman

2007 draft: (not really fair to do judge this but ill do it anyway)
Jeff Green
Greg Oden (yes i said it)
Marco Belinelli

OY!
11-19-2008, 09:45 PM
Darko

that was 2003

Sixerlover
11-19-2008, 09:46 PM
2004 Draft:
Emeka Okafor (still good but not as good everybody thought he was gonna be)
Shaun Livingston
Luke Jackson
Rafael Araujo
Josh Childress (actually i thought he was ok, but he was the 6th pick, so....)

2005 draft:
Marvin Williams - far from a bust
Raymond Felton - not a bust at all
Fran Vazquez
Sean May
Gerald Green

2006 draft:
Andrea Bargnani (one of the worst 1st picks since kwame brown and sam bowie)
Adam Morrison (i think he is)
Shelden Williams - not a bust
Patrick O'Bryant (100% bust!)
J.J. Redick (for now he's a bust but i await the magic to give him some min)
Cedric Simmons
Renaldo Balkman - he was picked too late to be considered a "bust"

2007 draft: (not really fair to do judge this but ill do it anyway)
Jeff Green
Greg Oden (yes i said it) - lol
Marco Belinelli - not yet

My 2 cents

Lakers4ItAll
11-19-2008, 09:46 PM
He started his 1st game the other night and scored 10pts


2004 Draft:
Emeka Okafor (still good but not as good everybody thought he was gonna be)
Shaun Livingston
Luke Jackson
Rafael Araujo
Josh Childress (actually i thought he was ok, but he was the 6th pick, so....)

2005 draft:
Marvin Williams
Raymond Felton
Fran Vazquez
Sean May
Gerald Green

2006 draft:
Andrea Bargnani (one of the worst 1st picks since kwame brown and sam bowie)
Adam Morrison (i think he is)
Shelden Williams
Patrick O'Bryant (100% bust!)
J.J. Redick (for now he's a bust but i await the magic to give him some min)
Cedric Simmons
Renaldo Balkman

2007 draft: (not really fair to do judge this but ill do it anyway)
Jeff Green
Greg Oden (yes i said it)
Marco Belinelli

Goon.Weezy
11-19-2008, 09:47 PM
wow u guys serious about bargss....everyone knew when he got drafted that it was gonna take time for him, and so far this year he is showing some potential....ya'll haters

Kings Faithful
11-19-2008, 09:48 PM
Okafor
Gerlad Green
Bargnani
jeff greene/brandan wright

OY!
11-19-2008, 09:52 PM
My 2 cents

really? i like an explanation about marvin williams, A BIG ONE TOO, on why he is not a bust? he did not even start on his collage team and yet he was the number 2 pick!? and he has not proven anything really, explain?

i would say everything else but marvin is the biggest bust in my opinion beside bargni.

Sixerlover
11-19-2008, 09:56 PM
really? i like an explanation about marvin williams, A BIG ONE TOO, on why he is not a bust? he did not even start on his collage team and yet he was the number 2 pick!? and he has not proven anything really, explain?

i would say everything else but marvin is the biggest bust in my opinion beside bargni.

Because he averaged 15 and 8 last year, while playing behind Josh Smith and Al Horford. And he is only 22 years old. He'll continue to improve. If you want to compare him to Deron Williams, or Chris Paul then yeah he is a "bust" but that is more a knock to the front office then to Williams

I still believe that he can be a 21/8 type of SF

soundjunkies2
11-19-2008, 10:00 PM
2004 Draft:
Emeka Okafor (still good but not as good everybody thought he was gonna be)
Shaun Livingston
Luke Jackson
Rafael Araujo
Josh Childress (actually i thought he was ok, but he was the 6th pick, so....)

2005 draft:
Marvin Williams
Raymond Felton
Fran Vazquez
Sean May
Gerald Green

2006 draft:
Andrea Bargnani (one of the worst 1st picks since kwame brown and sam bowie)
Adam Morrison (i think he is)
Shelden Williams
Patrick O'Bryant (100% bust!)
J.J. Redick (for now he's a bust but i await the magic to give him some min)
Cedric Simmons
Renaldo Balkman

2007 draft: (not really fair to do judge this but ill do it anyway)
Jeff Green
Greg Oden (yes i said it)
Marco Belinelli


Not a bust,he's averaging 15ppg 6Reb and 2Ast a game


but i agree with alot of your picks

JermanJaysFan
11-19-2008, 10:07 PM
Bargnani isn't looking like a bust at all these days.

b_rad23
11-19-2008, 10:11 PM
2004 Draft:
Emeka Okafor (still good but not as good everybody thought he was gonna be)
Shaun Livingston Maybe as of now, but this should be reevaluated later.
Luke Jackson
Rafael Araujo
Josh Childress (actually i thought he was ok, but he was the 6th pick, so....)

2005 draft:
Marvin Williams nope
Raymond Feltonjust not a stud. somewhere between bust and stud
Fran Vazquez
Sean May
Gerald Green

2006 draft:
Andrea Bargnani (one of the worst 1st picks since kwame brown and sam bowie)Bowie was a number 2 pick behind Hakeem and in front of MJ
Adam Morrison (i think he is)
Shelden Williams
Patrick O'Bryant (100% bust!)
J.J. Redick (for now he's a bust but i await the magic to give him some min)
Cedric Simmons
Renaldo Balkman

2007 draft: (not really fair to do judge this but ill do it anyway)
Jeff Greennot really at all
Greg Oden (yes i said it)starting to seem like it
Marco Belinelli

A lot of good picks just commented on some. I think Randy Foye should be considered. There should also be some Thunder centers up there.

BoognishMN
11-19-2008, 10:12 PM
Rany Foye, Corey Brewer, anyone else the Twolves have drafted since KG

jrice9
11-19-2008, 10:18 PM
I dont think you can call bargnani a bust. He has stepped up his play on both sides of the ball this season and had a sophemore slump after getting roty consideration. Look, he's european and a big man so its hard to judge him till year 5. I am not just saying that because I am a raptor fan watching him have 22 points tonight lol

Lakersfan2483
11-19-2008, 10:26 PM
What guys from the last 4 drafts (2004-2007) could we consider busts now?

Darko Millicic, Andrea Bargnani

Lakersfan2483
11-19-2008, 10:28 PM
2004 Draft:
Emeka Okafor (still good but not as good everybody thought he was gonna be)
Shaun Livingston
Luke Jackson
Rafael Araujo
Josh Childress (actually i thought he was ok, but he was the 6th pick, so....)

2005 draft:
Marvin Williams
Raymond Felton
Fran Vazquez
Sean May
Gerald Green

2006 draft:
Andrea Bargnani (one of the worst 1st picks since kwame brown and sam bowie)
Adam Morrison (i think he is)
Shelden Williams
Patrick O'Bryant (100% bust!)
J.J. Redick (for now he's a bust but i await the magic to give him some min)
Cedric Simmons
Renaldo Balkman

2007 draft: (not really fair to do judge this but ill do it anyway)
Jeff Green
Greg Oden (yes i said it)
Marco Belinelli

That about sums up the players for the thread although Oden is not a bust and Livingston had a terrible injury that set him back.

JMan17
11-19-2008, 10:43 PM
That about sums up the players for the thread although Oden is not a bust and Livingston had a terrible injury that set him back.

doesn't that make him a bust never the less?

BALLER71
11-19-2008, 10:44 PM
wow u guys serious about bargss....everyone knew when he got drafted that it was gonna take time for him, and so far this year he is showing some potential....ya'll haters

YooZ WElZ lETs me TEll youz SUMTanG... YOu iZZ a HOmeRR CuZ U iz A RapTORZ fAN. Hee SOfT AndD He IZ bUStT
Ya FEelZ ME?

SUNDUNDIDIT
11-19-2008, 10:47 PM
Oden.

JermanJaysFan
11-19-2008, 11:04 PM
YooZ WElZ lETs me TEll youz SUMTanG... YOu iZZ a HOmeRR CuZ U iz A RapTORZ fAN. Hee SOfT AndD He IZ bUStT
Ya FEelZ ME?

Waste of a post.

rosesbulls
11-19-2008, 11:14 PM
Tyrus Thomas looking more and more like a bust every game.
Adam Morrison he wont lead the d league in scoring.
Sean May
Patrick Obryant
Starting to think Randy Foye.

I dont know why people are putting Okafor on there lists i meen he isnt Howard but he is a good defensive presence and a good 15/10 guy who at some point i think will go to a all star game.

Entire top 10 draft choices of 06 other then Blazer players.
Bargani isnt exactly a bust but he isn't a good #1 pick.
Brandon Wright I dont know alot about him or if he got injured because he only played 38 so am not sure but statistic wise looking like bust
Mike Conley to early but hasnt looked to good
Corey Brewer
Joakim Noah he misses from 3 feet nuph said

rosesbulls
11-19-2008, 11:16 PM
YooZ WElZ lETs me TEll youz SUMTanG... YOu iZZ a HOmeRR CuZ U iz A RapTORZ fAN. Hee SOfT AndD He IZ bUStT
Ya FEelZ ME?

poser:rolleyes:

bostncelts34
11-19-2008, 11:19 PM
i dont see how you guys can say Gerald green is a bust, when he was picked like 16th lol

nik.jd.aitken
11-20-2008, 12:44 AM
Bargnani

This one.

jmoney23
11-20-2008, 12:49 AM
Why don't you guys turn a TV on this season before you call Bargnani a bust, yeah it's a homer pick cause I'm from T.O but even tonight, he had 25 points against Miami...he is having a solid season, but if you aren't from Canada, you won't see Raps games that often

To get back on track, from 2004-Araujo (8th), Luke Jackson (10th), I think Telfair at 13
2005-Ike Diogu (9th), Yaroslav Korolev (12th by the Clips)
2006- Morrison (3rd), Thomas (4th), Sheldon Williams (5th), O'Bryant (9th), Saer Sene (10th)

DreamShaker
11-20-2008, 12:52 AM
Why is Oden being mentioned:confused:

*Superman*
11-20-2008, 12:56 AM
No doub't JJ.

JordansBulls
11-20-2008, 01:19 AM
Tyrus Thomas looking more and more like a bust every game.
Adam Morrison he wont lead the d league in scoring.
Sean May
Patrick Obryant
Starting to think Randy Foye.

I dont know why people are putting Okafor on there lists i meen he isnt Howard but he is a good defensive presence and a good 15/10 guy who at some point i think will go to a all star game.

Entire top 10 draft choices of 06 other then Blazer players.
Bargani isnt exactly a bust but he isn't a good #1 pick.
Brandon Wright I dont know alot about him or if he got injured because he only played 38 so am not sure but statistic wise looking like bust
Mike Conley to early but hasnt looked to good
Corey Brewer
Joakim Noah he misses from 3 feet nuph said

Tyrus, Noah, May all come to mind.

Silent
11-20-2008, 01:56 AM
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Ya FEelZ ME?


Hahahahahahahahaha thats some of the worst ghetto slang i ever heard

and back to bargs give him 2 more years he will be a decent player by then he's finally playing his true postion sf no more of that pf ********



Tyrus, Noah, May all come to mind.

what did u expect from noah 20 and 10. worst pick the bulls ever made thomas still has some time he has more talent then noah he just needs a mentor to teach him what he needs to do and stop all the bullshi*

clehmun
11-20-2008, 02:23 AM
oden has put together 4 straight good games under limited minutes.
averaging around 14pts 10 rebs 3 blks... shooting good percentages from the field and line.

i know it's just 4 good game, and it doesn't say much...
but its also because of that, it's not fair to call him a bust after 6 games.

FlawlessKB24
11-20-2008, 02:25 AM
jj redick
definitely not lottery pick status

rhino17
11-20-2008, 02:57 AM
Gerald Green was picked in the 20s, how is he a bust?

Sixerlover
11-20-2008, 03:03 AM
Because he averaged 15 and 8 last year, while playing behind Josh Smith and Al Horford. And he is only 22 years old. He'll continue to improve. If you want to compare him to Deron Williams, or Chris Paul then yeah he is a "bust" but that is more a knock to the front office then to Williams

I still believe that he can be a 21/8 type of SF

Suprisingly I think I quoted his exact statline tonight. I could be wrong

Mallpha
11-20-2008, 03:09 AM
Tyrus Thomas personaly his the biggest disapointment for me was sure he will become like 15/10 + 2-3 blocks per game and now i see a 6,9 guy with fg is below 30%

clehmun
11-20-2008, 04:02 AM
Suprisingly I think I quoted his exact statline tonight. I could be wrong

21-14-4-2-1 baby!

carlo4444
11-20-2008, 04:55 AM
stop h8ing bargs his actually looking good this season he wont be a bust

Rome
11-20-2008, 05:55 AM
Young busts. lol Bassy from 04 :(

He'll step it up this year....

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 POR 68 26 19.6 0.393 0.246 0.789 0.1 1.4 1.5 3.3 0.5 0.1 1.84 1.80 6.8
05-06 POR 68 30 24.1 0.394 0.352 0.743 0.3 1.5 1.8 3.6 1.0 0.1 1.69 2.50 9.5
06-07 BOS 78 30 20.2 0.371 0.289 0.818 0.2 1.2 1.4 2.8 0.6 0.1 1.26 2.10 6.1
07-08 MIN 60 51 32.2 0.401 0.281 0.743 0.3 2.0 2.3 5.9 1.0 0.2 1.85 2.90 9.3
08-09 MIN 6 5 19.8 0.324 0.400 1.000 0.3 1.2 1.5 4.0 0.3 0.0 1.17 2.30 5.7
Career -- 280 142 23.6 0.389 0.303 0.774 0.2 1.5 1.7 3.8 0.7 0.1 1.63 2.30 7.8

IndiansFan337
11-20-2008, 08:54 AM
Why is Oden being mentioned:confused:

Because he's hardly played at all.

JordansBulls
11-20-2008, 09:42 AM
Hahahahahahahahaha thats some of the worst ghetto slang i ever heard

and back to bargs give him 2 more years he will be a decent player by then he's finally playing his true postion sf no more of that pf ********




what did u expect from noah 20 and 10. worst pick the bulls ever made thomas still has some time he has more talent then noah he just needs a mentor to teach him what he needs to do and stop all the bullshi*

I think Fizer might have been worse than Thomas.

Tblaze
11-20-2008, 09:56 AM
I think it's not fair to call the players from the 06 draft class busts. It was a VERY weak draft year and you basicly can't pick a stud with the #1 pick if there wasn't one in the draft.

citizenc78
11-20-2008, 10:33 AM
I'm picking anyone in the top 14 who has not worked out.

2004 -

Not a bust but - Okafor (It's astonishing looking now that it was a straight coin toss between him and D12 for No.1 Pick)
Shaun Livingston (Conditionally - Will he ever be back?)
Luke Jackson
Robert Swift

2005 -

Sean May

2006 -

Adam Morrison
Shelden Williams
Patrick O Bryant
JJ Redick

2007 -

Is it too soon to say Mike Conley?

DrDEADalready
11-20-2008, 10:50 AM
Oh just some guys by the name of Deron williams. and chris paul. What busts!! haha

ink
11-20-2008, 10:56 AM
Bargnani isn't looking like a bust at all these days.

People don't watch these players. They're just repeating what they hear.

torontosports10
11-20-2008, 11:04 AM
Bargs has great offensive numbers accross the board and he is still working on his defence and filling out his body. When he was drafted he was a "project player". He has to grow into hs body and adjust to the NBA game.

People around here think everyone should be a star right away and dont improve. The only 2 that come to mind right away are CP3 and Lebron who were stars.

So ppl learn what the **** a project player is and stop calling ppl like Bargs a bust when he is not suppose to be starting to become a star till next year or even the year after.

haircanada
11-20-2008, 05:21 PM
2004 Draft:
Emeka Okafor (still good but not as good everybody thought he was gonna be)
Shaun Livingston
Luke Jackson
Rafael Araujo
Josh Childress (actually i thought he was ok, but he was the 6th pick, so....)

2005 draft:
Marvin Williams
Raymond Felton
Fran Vazquez
Sean May
Gerald Green

2006 draft:
Andrea Bargnani (one of the worst 1st picks since kwame brown and sam bowie)
Adam Morrison (i think he is)
Shelden Williams
Patrick O'Bryant (100% bust!)
J.J. Redick (for now he's a bust but i await the magic to give him some min)
Cedric Simmons
Renaldo Balkman

2007 draft: (not really fair to do judge this but ill do it anyway)
Jeff Green
Greg Oden (yes i said it)
Marco Belinelli



how can you consider okafor,bargs,morrison,oden, green and belinelli.
im pretty sure okafor is almost averaging a double double and hes also on a crappy team.Ok now bargs he had a bad year last year but hes doing amzing this year as a starter.Now morrison dude hes been injured and is not getting the minutes thanks to wallace.Oden is not a bust noway in HELL dude he was injured all year long.how can you call him a bust if htis is his first year.hes played like what 7 games? cut thhe guy a break.ok now green this is outragous.whats this guy averaging like 15 and 6 thats pretty good for a second year guy.and belinelli one of the best eorpean shooter i have seen in a bit.he doesnt get the time to play.don nelson is not ltting him play.when he gets traded to a team that lets him play and hes bad then you can call him a bust

Frank Costanza
11-20-2008, 05:30 PM
Adam morrison

haircanada
11-20-2008, 05:33 PM
again how are you saying morrison
its his 2nd season in the nba and hes averaging over 10
hes also playing the backup role behind wallace which wont give him many minutes

Utah47Jazz
11-20-2008, 05:34 PM
Cedric Simmons and Luke Jackson.

Maybe Sasha Pavlovic, I went to a Jazz game against the Cavs and Jackson and Sasha weren't producing at all, this was in like 2005.

Cedric Simmons, I thought after the trade to Chicago he was going to be great there but I guess I was wrong.

Utah47Jazz
11-20-2008, 05:35 PM
again how are you saying morrison
its his 2nd season in the nba and hes averaging over 10
hes also playing the backup role behind wallace which wont give him many minutes

This isn't his second season, this is his 3rd. He was not a rookie last year.

haircanada
11-20-2008, 05:36 PM
he didnt play once last year?
im pretty sure
its his 3rd season in the nba but only second year playing

Draco
11-20-2008, 06:11 PM
So ppl learn what the **** a project player is and stop calling ppl like Bargs a bust when he is not suppose to be starting to become a star till next year or even the year after.

No one picks a project player with the #1 draft pick. He's a bust in the sense that he hasn't fulfilled expectations to date. Perhaps he can get to where the Raptors need him to be but right now he's still... Bustiani.

haircanada
11-20-2008, 06:19 PM
No one picks a project player with the #1 draft pick. He's a bust in the sense that he hasn't fulfilled expectations to date. Perhaps he can get to where the Raptors need him to be but right now he's still... Bustiani.

hes nota bust man
he had a BAD season last year
he had a solid rookie season
came second for roy
pretty sure he isnt a bust

sp1derm00
11-20-2008, 07:48 PM
I'm pretty sure Okafor and Oden aren't considered busts yet. Oden might be eventually if he continues to have health problems... but it's WAY too early to tell about him. So far this season he's done well in the games he has been able to play in (healthy).

lakers4sho
11-20-2008, 08:07 PM
Peter John Ramos

JMan17
11-20-2008, 08:45 PM
how can you consider okafor,bargs,morrison,oden, green and belinelli.
im pretty sure okafor is almost averaging a double double and hes also on a crappy team.Ok now bargs he had a bad year last year but hes doing amzing this year as a starter.Now morrison dude hes been injured and is not getting the minutes thanks to wallace.Oden is not a bust noway in HELL dude he was injured all year long.how can you call him a bust if htis is his first year.hes played like what 7 games? cut thhe guy a break.ok now green this is outragous.whats this guy averaging like 15 and 6 thats pretty good for a second year guy.and belinelli one of the best eorpean shooter i have seen in a bit.he doesnt get the time to play.don nelson is not ltting him play.when he gets traded to a team that lets him play and hes bad then you can call him a bust

okafor is avg 9 and 9 this season. he was the number 2 pick 4 years ago. I thought he would avg a little more then that at being a 4 year pro by now would you?

how can you not consider Green a bust?

Morrison is more of a still wait and see, but right now, he looks like a bust to me as well.

Bargs is a bust IMO as well.

KB24PG16
11-20-2008, 08:56 PM
Rany Foye, Corey Brewer, anyone else the Twolves have drafted since KG

:clap:

blacknell
11-20-2008, 09:09 PM
oden lokked ok last night

JordansBulls
11-20-2008, 09:52 PM
Adam morrison

I remember people comparing him to Larry Bird at first.

:smoking:

haircanada
11-20-2008, 10:14 PM
okafor is avg 9 and 9 this season. he was the number 2 pick 4 years ago. I thought he would avg a little more then that at being a 4 year pro by now would you?

how can you not consider Green a bust?

Morrison is more of a still wait and see, but right now, he looks like a bust to me as well.

Bargs is a bust IMO as well.

ok man green is not a bust wtf?
he averaging 15 7 and 2
you call that a bust?
thats pretty good for a second year player