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DewsSox79
11-19-2008, 05:46 PM
For Lowe's many suitors, price starts at $16 million

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Derek Lowe, who's proven to be clutch, durable and even versatile (he was a successful closer before switching to a starting role), is seeking to match or even beat the $16-million salary Andy Pettitte was paid by the Yankees last season when he was 35, as Lowe is now.
The two pitchers had similar platform years (Lowe was 14-11 with a 3.24 ERA last year compared to Pettitte's 15-9 with a 4.05 ERA in 2007) and fairly similar numbers in the preceding couple years, as well (though Pettitte's overall starting career is more impressive). A couple executives have mentioned that Lowe's agent, Scott Boras, made the comparison.
Pettitte has limited his field to the Yankees and Houston in his free-agent years. But the number of teams chasing Lowe is large, and may include the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Braves, Phillies, Giants and Mariners. The Yankees were expecting to present their offer to Lowe, which will follow proposals for top target CC Sabathia as well as A.J. Burnett, sometime this week.
Lowe gave the impression that he preferred playing on the East Coast, where he had a successful stint in Boston before moving to the West Coast by signing a four-year deal with the Dodgers before the 2005 season that just expired. But even if he limits the field based on geography, the Detroit product still would appear to have at least five viable suitors to choose from.

Tragedy
11-19-2008, 05:53 PM
And FoxSports.com, citing two unnamed executives, reported that agent Scott Boras is seeking a "Barry Zito-type" $18 million-per-year contract for 36-year-old Derek Lowe. Zito signed a seven-year, $126 million deal with the San Francisco Giants in December 2006.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3712873

Zito like money. Yeah, good one Boras.

DewsSox79
11-19-2008, 05:54 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3712873

Zito like money. Yeah, good one Boras.

these pitching contracts are getting way out of hand! Pretty soon more teams are going to use prospects to complelty fill their rotation.

mattybeingmatty
11-19-2008, 05:55 PM
lmfao... keep dreamin'.

whitesoxfan83
11-19-2008, 05:55 PM
what a joke.

StryderSox
11-19-2008, 05:59 PM
Boras must have really lost his mind with this one. When Petitte got his contract he was returning to a rotation he had carried for a while. Lowe doesn't have the reputation that Petitte had in New York. Boras must be counting on a Yankees/Red Sox bidding war or figuring that if all else fails for the Yanks with Sabathia and Burnett that they might get desperate

BTownTeamsRKing
11-19-2008, 05:59 PM
no way. put me down as people who are not as big on this FA group as others. the only solid guy is Texeira. all the others have questions, including CC. im not sold on Lowe at all. i dont think hes that good anymore and i believe he benefited greatly from playing in the NL. Lowe will not survive half a year in the AL East. 16 mil? wat a joke. maybe to an NL team.

DewsSox79
11-19-2008, 06:01 PM
boras is ruining baseball!

Tragedy
11-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Boras must have really lost his mind with this one. When Petitte got his contract he was returning to a rotation he had carried for a while. Lowe doesn't have the reputation that Petitte had in New York. Boras must be counting on a Yankees/Red Sox bidding war or figuring that if all else fails for the Yanks with Sabathia and Burnett that they might get desperate
Nope, Boras is still completely with it.

He does this very single offseason with just about every single player, and it USUALLY doesn't work. He said 7 years for Damon, he got 4. He said 5 for Kyle Lohse, he got 1. He wanted upward of $10 million per for Matsuzaka, he got about $8. He wants Zito like money for Lowe, and he won't get it.

tomno00
11-19-2008, 06:03 PM
not suprised... lowe is the best pitcher on the market IMO. dempster got 13 so you have to expect lowe will get this... probably with the yankees

Tragedy
11-19-2008, 06:03 PM
not suprised... lowe is the best pitcher on the market IMO. dempster got 13 so you have to expect lowe will get this... probably with the yankees
C.C. Sabathia?

And no, with the contract Dempster got, I'd expect Lowe to get about that.

BTownTeamsRKing
11-19-2008, 06:05 PM
boras is ruining baseball!

supply and demand. as long as someone pays, he can charge watever he wants.

tomno00
11-19-2008, 06:05 PM
ok second best

whitesoxfan83
11-19-2008, 06:08 PM
Nope, Boras is still completely with it.

He does this very single offseason with just about every single player, and it USUALLY doesn't work. He said 7 years for Damon, he got 4. He said 5 for Kyle Lohse, he got 1. He wanted upward of $10 million per for Matsuzaka, he got about $8. He wants Zito like money for Lowe, and he won't get it.

yea but most of the time he isn't serious, its like when a car dealer gives you the first bid on a car, both you and him know you aren't taking the first crazy *** offer he throws out there. the dealer (boras) starts high and then slowly works his way down until he gets the price he thinkd is fair, and in the process BS' the car buyer (or MLB owner) into thinking hes compromised on price when in actuality hes paying exactly what the dealer (boras) was looking for in the first place.

he will get lowe what hes actually looking for which is prob in the realm of 13-15mil. boras is great at what he does... you can argue hes ruining baseball, but you cant argue that.

Epic89
11-19-2008, 06:14 PM
**** Scott Boras. Zito money for Lowe? Posada money for Varitek? What an ***hole.

StryderSox
11-19-2008, 06:16 PM
He may be the vile of the sport but I would definetly want him representing me if I were a baseball stud

DewsSox79
11-19-2008, 06:17 PM
yea but most of the time he isn't serious, its like when a car dealer gives you the first bid on a car, both you and him know you aren't taking the first crazy *** offer he throws out there. the dealer (boras) starts high and then slowly works his way down until he gets the price he thinkd is fair, and in the process BS' the car buyer (or MLB owner) into thinking hes compromised on price when in actuality hes paying exactly what the dealer (boras) was looking for in the first place.

he will get lowe what hes actually looking for which is prob in the realm of 13-15mil. boras is great at what he does... you can argue hes ruining baseball, but you cant argue that.

I am a GM for a dealer in chicago, and that is exactly how he does it!

acecrusher06
11-19-2008, 06:34 PM
15+ for an average pitcher. wow. zito money....how did that deal turn out for the giants?

Chillwill2
11-19-2008, 06:34 PM
damn that scott boraS!!!! BUT IF I WAS A PLAYER I WOULD HIRE HIM IN A SECOND!!!...lol

whitesoxfan83
11-19-2008, 06:42 PM
id hardly call lowe average, in his 7 seasons as a starter his ERA has been under four 5 times. he also has a career 3.75ERA, he isnt worth zito money but in an age where Rivera makes 15mil to close i dont think its far fetched to give this guy 15mil as well.

not saying i would, but i understand why another team will do it.

Uncle Funster
11-19-2008, 06:44 PM
= out of his ever-lovin' mind. No AL team will touch him for that.

Having said that, he'll probably get more...

Brooke
11-19-2008, 07:27 PM
GMAB. Good one there Boras

Ph1lly Diehard
11-19-2008, 07:36 PM
He compared Oliver Perez to Sandy Koufax.

Enough said.

DownInHouston
11-19-2008, 08:16 PM
I cant hate.. mans doing his job and he does it well. If he didn't all these baseball players would not have him as an agent.

If I am thinking purely as a baseball fan and thinking irrationally..... I hate his guts :)

Cheezombie
11-19-2008, 08:20 PM
you guys do realize that boras start at a high price on purpose right? He doesn't actually expect to find someone to pay that, but if he does, it's just gravy for him.

bkny
11-19-2008, 09:17 PM
i guess lowe is not playinmg this year jajaja

all jokes aside too much money for a pitcher who has the 2 years left in him the most

DewsSox79
11-20-2008, 03:41 AM
i guess lowe is not playinmg this year jajaja

all jokes aside too much money for a pitcher who has the 2 years left in him the most

no way does he only have 2 more years left. totally disagree. not saying he is worth 16 mil

Matt-the-great
11-20-2008, 05:56 AM
an agent should never get as much air/blog time as Boras....i hear more about this guy than 98% of MLB players....it is sad.

Matt-the-great
11-20-2008, 05:57 AM
also, Lowe is going to get a rude awakening in the AL East if he comes back....

poodski
11-20-2008, 06:58 AM
If its a 3 years deal I ll take him at 15-18 mil.

1908_Cubs
11-20-2008, 08:57 AM
If its a 3 years deal I ll take him at 15-18 mil.

I wouldn't. His road splits, outside of a very pitcher friendly park, have not been good.

4.42 ERA, 1.39 WIHP - 2008
4.19 ERA, 1.31 WHIP - 2007
4.13 ERA, 1.35 WHIP - 2006

I don't know how much I trust a 35 year old with bad road splits over the last 3 years on $15m - $18m deals.

poodski
11-20-2008, 10:00 AM
I wouldn't. His road splits, outside of a very pitcher friendly park, have not been good.

4.42 ERA, 1.39 WIHP - 2008
4.19 ERA, 1.31 WHIP - 2007
4.13 ERA, 1.35 WHIP - 2006

I don't know how much I trust a 35 year old with bad road splits over the last 3 years on $15m - $18m deals.

Well if you want to discredit the home stats why not take out Coors?

Then you are left with a

3.65 ERA in 08 (I took out Angels stadium because its in the AL and he only played one game in coors)
3.61 ERA in 07
3.72 ERA in 06

Thats why using those splits dont really impress me much. Park factors are where to look.

Again I would pay that much for Lowe.

Tkais9009
11-20-2008, 11:06 AM
thats a lot of money

Gunzito22
11-20-2008, 11:21 AM
WOW... 18M for Lowe??? not gonna happen.

I see him ganding in St louis for like 3y/$40M...

Tkais9009
11-20-2008, 02:15 PM
i would like that

DewsSox79
11-20-2008, 04:36 PM
the cards neeeed soooo much pitching.

dbroncos78087
11-20-2008, 04:38 PM
If you shoot for Mars then you will get the Moon and it is still ridiculously high. If he only gets 12 it will look like a loss but he will still get 12. I am a very big fan of Lowe but i would be surprised if he gets half that (8).

Seamhead
11-20-2008, 05:21 PM
How come people are willing to give Manny $30 mil, but not Lowe $16 mil? If you'd take the time to be objective, you'd see which one deserves what they are asking for and which one doesn't....

Tragedy
11-20-2008, 05:55 PM
How come people are willing to give Manny $30 mil, but not Lowe $16 mil? If you'd take the time to be objective, you'd see which one deserves what they are asking for and which one doesn't....
Both will be grossly overpaid, but Lowe's asking price is closer to his actual worth than Ramirez, by far.

1908_Cubs
11-20-2008, 07:27 PM
Well if you want to discredit the home stats why not take out Coors?

Then you are left with a

3.65 ERA in 08 (I took out Angels stadium because its in the AL and he only played one game in coors)
3.61 ERA in 07
3.72 ERA in 06

Thats why using those splits dont really impress me much. Park factors are where to look.

Again I would pay that much for Lowe.

I'm not discrediting Dodgers stadium, only saying to look at the other side of the pillow.

Hell, if we start just willy nilly taking out ball parks, might as well take out anything we want. I understand taking out Coors, but the Angels stadium one is just plain stupid. Their offense sucked dick all year before the trade, and the game he pitched in Angels stadium was pre Tex. I don't see any reason to just discount his worst game for the sake of it being in the AL. That Gary Mathews Jr - Vlad - Garrett Anderson 3/4/5 really makes me shake in the boots.

He's a good pitcher. $13m, I'm down. $18m? You're plain stupid. He's 35. He hasn't pitched amazing outside of Dodgers stadium. And he was plain and simple, saved this season by an AMAZING September where he threw 30 IP of near .050 ERA ball. That wont happen very often, especially when you consider by mid season he'll be 36.

He's a good pitcher. Not an $18m pitcher. Not a top 5 or 6 in the league SP.