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JordansBulls
11-19-2008, 01:54 PM
Figure we will dedicate a thread to who many feel is the frontrunner for MVP and how high in the rankings other individuals should be.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/awards?page=awards-081118

Current Top 10

1. LeBron James, Cavaliers

2. Kobe Bryant, Lakers

3. Amare Stoudemire, Suns

4. Dwight Howard, Magic

5. Chris Paul, Hornets

6. Paul Pierce, Celtics

7. Dwyane Wade, Heat

8. Chris Bosh, Raptors

9. Joe Johnson, Hawks

10. C. Billups, Nuggets


NOTE: Will Sticky this for now until we need other thread stickied.

superkegger
11-19-2008, 02:02 PM
Kobe!

Faneik
11-19-2008, 02:04 PM
LeBron

cubulls
11-19-2008, 02:08 PM
Where is Derrick Rose? :D

marques724
11-19-2008, 02:21 PM
Lebron

Lost Art
11-19-2008, 02:34 PM
I've got to go with Lebron at this point. The Lakers are just too good, Kobe isn't going to have to put up big numbers this season and with all of the blowout wins he probably won't even play all that many minutes. If the Cavs keep winning, Lebron will probably be the MVP.

Macedonian
11-19-2008, 02:41 PM
Current Top 10Why ESPN, and not NBA.com ?


http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/11/14/mvp.week3/index.html

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
3. Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets
4. Joe Johnson, Atlanta Hawks
5. Chris Bosh, Toronto Raptors
6. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
7. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
8. Carlos Boozer, Utah Jazz
9. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns
10. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics

OY!
11-19-2008, 03:50 PM
The top ten looks right. but i think kobe will win this one. Unless if the cavs keep winning and win up to 55+, then lebron will most likely get it. but if that does not happen, it's kobe. Even with kobe not playing much min, he is still avg great numbers and is the most valuble for the team and if the lakers win like 60 or 65+, then kobe will get it.

it's pretty much between on of those 2.

FlawlessKB24
11-19-2008, 03:59 PM
its LeBron's to lose
like Kobe last season

MiamiHeat
11-19-2008, 04:01 PM
ddddddddddddd wadeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

:D

Lizard King
11-19-2008, 04:16 PM
I'm going to say CP3! He's too good.

superkegger
11-19-2008, 04:17 PM
Yeah, as much as I would like to see Kobe get another, if the Cavs keep winning (which I think is stupid that that's even part of the discussion, but alas it is), it's Lebron's no doubt.

BTownTeamsRKing
11-19-2008, 04:33 PM
so far: lebron

DreamShaker
11-19-2008, 04:37 PM
Lebron is head and shoulders above the rest right now...he is on a level we have rarely seen....

kingjanjic
11-19-2008, 04:42 PM
between kobe n lebron like every other year. who ever gets the most wins will get it so kobe cuz cavs will start to choke sooner or later while lakers stay strong:)

SteveNash
11-19-2008, 05:06 PM
Josh Smith should replace Joe Johnson. Billups should be in the top 5.

JordansBulls
11-19-2008, 05:11 PM
Josh Smith should replace Joe Johnson. Billups should be in the top 5.

Josh Smith is injured and played like 3-4 games.

Lakersfan2483
11-19-2008, 05:11 PM
The main thing with the award is that it's not based solely on stats, it's also about making your teammates better and your teams' record at the end of the year. Lebron is on great pace to win the award, but it depends on how his team finishes this year.

Top Candidates thus far: Lebron, Kobe, D. Howard, CP3, Chris Bosh

Besides Lebron, Dwight has been playing great basketball this year, as has Chris Bosh.

_Sn1P3r_
11-19-2008, 05:14 PM
LeBron's defintely number 1 right now. He has his team playing well and on a win streak.

pebloemer
11-19-2008, 05:14 PM
The main thing with the award is that it's not based solely on stats, it's also about making your teammates better and your teams' record at the end of the year. Lebron is on great pace to win the award, but it depends on how his team finishes this year.

Top Candidates thus far: Lebron, Kobe, D. Howard, CP3, Chris Bosh

Bosh has been tearing it up so far - I would have expected Amare to be a better candidate before the year began, but nice to see Bosh in the discussion this year.

LeBron seems to have all the factors working in his favor so far.

umh34
11-19-2008, 05:29 PM
i dont think Lebron is head and shoulders about everyone else this year for MVP. i think Dwade is right there with him. Lebron is leading the league in points and he has 8 boards. but Dwade is second, has more steals, and more BLOCKS. he is doing it all for the HEAT who were 15-67. now they are 6-5. IMO he should be right at the top for that award. Lebron is putting up big numbers but he is being over praiced, IMO. He needs to stop thinking about being rich and famous and think about basketball. it makes me sick.

x_notorious
11-19-2008, 05:38 PM
LeBron James as of right now. Playing out of his mind.

SensandRaps
11-19-2008, 05:44 PM
The main thing with the award is that it's not based solely on stats, it's also about making your teammates better and your teams' record at the end of the year. Lebron is on great pace to win the award, but it depends on how his team finishes this year.

Top Candidates thus far: Lebron, Kobe, D. Howard, CP3, Chris Bosh

Besides Lebron, Dwight has been playing great basketball this year, as has Chris Bosh.

that list of top candidates is good imo but if billups keep his play up for the nuggets he might get into the race (unlikely)

Zefflin
11-19-2008, 05:56 PM
Kobe will win the award again this season because he'll get 63-73 ;) wins and be #1 in the west again while putting up 25/6/6 in limited minutes. Plus he's the defensive anchor of the team and has been extremely efficient on and off the ball.

The only way Lebron will win MVP is if he can actually get this team to get over 50 wins for once. This season is looking good for him so far but he'll need at least 55-60 wins and be #2 in the east at least...while putting up 30/7/7 (which is no small feat)

To me it's only between those two...and Billups.

Joshtd1
11-19-2008, 07:22 PM
Surprised TD hasnt gotten any love, having kept the Spurs at .500 record with the surrounding cast he's gotten..not to mention hes putting up 20/10 +

Right now I'd have to say LBJ is #1 though.

daleja424
11-19-2008, 07:29 PM
IMO anyone would doesnt have James/Wade as 1 and 1a right now is not paying much attention. I think at this point Lebron has the biggest offensive impact on the game in the league and Wade has the biggest all around impact of anyone in the league. The things Lebron and Wade are doing this year put them at the top of the class IMO. Also the fact that no one has given Wade his due tells me how much basketball you guys watch...

Goon.Weezy
11-19-2008, 07:51 PM
honestly i think CB4 is in the top 3, but thats just me

Lakers4ItAll
11-19-2008, 07:58 PM
MVP isn't all about #'s......


I've got to go with Lebron at this point. The Lakers are just too good, Kobe isn't going to have to put up big numbers this season and with all of the blowout wins he probably won't even play all that many minutes. If the Cavs keep winning, Lebron will probably be the MVP.

KG#1
11-19-2008, 08:23 PM
if cavs keep up at this pace there is no way lebron loses

Lakers4ItAll
11-19-2008, 08:27 PM
The NBA wants Lebron to win it

superkegger
11-19-2008, 08:53 PM
IMO anyone would doesnt have James/Wade as 1 and 1a right now is not paying much attention. I think at this point Lebron has the biggest offensive impact on the game in the league and Wade has the biggest all around impact of anyone in the league. The things Lebron and Wade are doing this year put them at the top of the class IMO. Also the fact that no one has given Wade his due tells me how much basketball you guys watch...

Wade is playing great, but at 6-5 he's on the outside looking in right now. The MVP has clearly become the best player of the elite teams. I think Al Jefferson could put up 30 and 15 with 4.5 blocks per game and it wouldn't matter. (not trying to say jefferson should be in contention, just happened to use him as an example.)

JordansBulls
11-19-2008, 08:55 PM
Kobe will win the award again this season because he'll get 63-73 ;) wins and be #1 in the west again while putting up 25/6/6 in limited minutes. Plus he's the defensive anchor of the team and has been extremely efficient on and off the ball.

The only way Lebron will win MVP is if he can actually get this team to get over 50 wins for once. This season is looking good for him so far but he'll need at least 55-60 wins and be #2 in the east at least...while putting up 30/7/7 (which is no small feat)

To me it's only between those two...and Billups.

Why didn't Garnett win it last year with 66 wins.

Lakers4ItAll
11-19-2008, 09:02 PM
Good point!


Why didn't Garnett win it last year with 66 wins.

Vinny642
11-19-2008, 10:09 PM
Right Now--
1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Cp3

ARMIN12NBA
11-19-2008, 10:38 PM
Why didn't Garnett win it last year with 66 wins.

He averaged like 18 and 9. Plus Kobe was more deserving of the award as he was putting up good stats and was on the #1 team in his conference.

If Lebron's team wins 50+ games then he is the MVP because his team is good and he's got the stats. If he wins less and the Lakers and Hornets play as expected (top teams) then it is up for grabs for Kobe and Paul.

JMan17
11-19-2008, 11:00 PM
Why didn't Garnett win it last year with 66 wins.

he had 2 other hall of famers with him. plus he only avged like 18 and 10.

bidi_nash
11-19-2008, 11:18 PM
Lebron is the front runner right now, Kobe is behind him then CP3 and Bosh

daleja424
11-19-2008, 11:31 PM
Stat lines like Wade's tonight show why he is the MVP in the league... 40 pts, 11 assists, 5 blocks... thats filling a stat sheet

wade was all over the court on offense and defense... he is the best player in the league right now...

rosesbulls
11-19-2008, 11:32 PM
Kobe will win the award again this season because he'll get 63-73 ;) wins and be #1 in the west again while putting up 25/6/6 in limited minutes. Plus he's the defensive anchor of the team and has been extremely efficient on and off the ball.

The only way Lebron will win MVP is if he can actually get this team to get over 50 wins for once. This season is looking good for him so far but he'll need at least 55-60 wins and be #2 in the east at least...while putting up 30/7/7 (which is no small feat)

To me it's only between those two...and Billups.

Lebron puts up 30/7/7 almost every year or around it. If the lakers get 73 wins all rip my eyes out cause i would think they were giving me messed up images. Thats not hating its just not going to happen anytime soon last time i thought it was going to happen was when Kobe and Shaq were together wont think it will again for awhile.

Personally am going to go for CP3. CP3 has a chance to average 22 13 and 2.5 which are way better stats the any mvp nash season. Hornets might have best record or close to the best record at end of season. It will be like last season a game behind for who evers first or 2nd Kobe or CP3. Kobe and CP3 will both put up similarly impressive numbers while Lebron puts up best but

Lebron- Wont have good enough record
Kobe- He is dominate but i think he will go into a less agressive season 24-26 ppg. Not enough to give him any edge at all on CP3

CP3- cant underestimate the power of the assist with 22 ppg (little less then Kobe) 12 assists per game way more then any1 right now, and 5 rpg round up with great defense with 3 spg its hard to go against some1 who turns a pro game into a slam dunk contest with Tyson getting Alley oops.

It will be a real close ballot but I give CP3 the smallest edge over Kobe. Lebron wont have a shot again this year because the Cavs wont be contenders this years. They might be but i doubt it.

ClipperfanKevin
11-19-2008, 11:55 PM
Derrick Rose should get it :)

oshea225
11-20-2008, 12:09 AM
Stat lines like Wade's tonight show why he is the MVP in the league... 40 pts, 11 assists, 5 blocks... thats filling a stat sheet

wade was all over the court on offense and defense... he is the best player in the league right now...

and yet we lost...

Shaq back 2 L.A
11-20-2008, 12:15 AM
kobe will win the mvp if the lakers win 65-70+ and have the best record not only in the west but in the nba

lebron will win it if the cavaliers win 56+ which i doubt

chris paul will win it if the hornets have the best record in the west

d-wade will win it if(wait he has no chance)sorry but its the truth

*Superman*
11-20-2008, 12:37 AM
Dwight

tusc31
11-20-2008, 12:57 AM
King James.... unless he gets hurt there is no reason to even debate this !

DODGERS&LAKERS
11-20-2008, 02:29 AM
James is playing out of his mind and has the Cavs looking really good. Lebron is #1 right now.

Bleeds Blue
11-20-2008, 03:00 AM
unless the lakers win close to 70 games you have to believe lebron is going to take it this year. obviously hes going to have another great statistical year and looks like the cavs are a pretty good this year. lebron takes it if he stays healthy and the cavs keep it up

Rome
11-20-2008, 06:13 AM
Its the Kings year. Not Sac town lol. But yea unless La is the number one seed again and Kobe goes for like 28 6 5 and 23's numbers arent great. KB24 or Bron.

innovator
11-20-2008, 06:49 AM
i dont like lebron and im a die hard kobe and laker fan but i have to go with lebron, the guy is a beast and his team is winning

DQL
11-20-2008, 11:44 AM
Wade clearly deserves MVP consideration especially w/ his performance last night. He's currently #2 in PPG, #5 in APG, #2 in SPG, #7 in BPG (wow) and, of course, #1 in PER according to ESPN. If he keeps this up and the Heat somehow win 50 games I think Wade has a chance to win MVP

Brooke
11-20-2008, 01:01 PM
With the way LeBron is playing right now, he is the favorite as of now

UofA
11-20-2008, 01:48 PM
King James

Lakers4ItAll
11-20-2008, 02:44 PM
If the Celtics have the best record again do you think Pierce will win it?

cubulls
11-20-2008, 02:50 PM
Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and CP3 are all obvious choices but, if the Bulls get into the playoffs, and thats a HUGE if, then Derrick Rose should win it.

Lakers4ItAll
11-20-2008, 03:04 PM
I don't think he would get it due to the fact that the lower seeds in the East are totally up for grabs, Bulls could easily slide into a 7th or 8th seed.

ROY forsure tho


Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and CP3 are all obvious choices but, if the Bulls get into the playoffs, and thats a HUGE if, then Derrick Rose should win it.

Zefflin
11-20-2008, 03:12 PM
The Bulls will not make the playoffs.

cmstophe
11-20-2008, 03:14 PM
Lebron should take some hits in the MVP ranking for blowing the game last night for his team.


The only way Lebron will win MVP is if he can actually get this team to get over 50 wins for once. This season is looking good for him so far but he'll need at least 55-60 wins and be #2 in the east at least...while putting up 30/7/7 (which is no small feat)


For once?

You do know James has led the Cavs to 50+ win seasons 2 out of the last 3 years, right? Teams that were absolute GARBAGE compared to what he has now?

YGK1051
11-20-2008, 03:19 PM
lebron is clearly better than kobe i don't care what anyone thinks look at the two teams and players on the teams

Lakers4ItAll
11-20-2008, 03:37 PM
What makes it so clear??


lebron is clearly better than kobe i don't care what anyone thinks look at the two teams and players on the teams

cmstophe
11-20-2008, 03:42 PM
Neither the Lakers nor Cavaliers would be very good without Kobe/Lebron so that is a null point.

Kobe is still the best player in the league. I think Lebron is more capable of taking over a game but Kobe can finish a game off like none other.

Zefflin
11-20-2008, 05:15 PM
For once?

You do know James has led the Cavs to 50+ win seasons 2 out of the last 3 years, right?

No, 50+ wins would be 51 or higher. Not 50 wins twice in a row. Maybe he'll be able to actually finish first in his division this year!!

So stop trying to nit pick me Timmy Technicality.

Utah47Jazz
11-20-2008, 05:32 PM
I would love to see a Jazz player in here, but none of them are playing up to expectations. Maybe when D-Will comes back he will be in the running. Bur for now it's got to go to LeBron.

haircanada
11-20-2008, 05:40 PM
bosh lawl

cmstophe
11-20-2008, 07:36 PM
No, 50+ wins would be 51 or higher. Not 50 wins twice in a row. Maybe he'll be able to actually finish first in his division this year!!

So stop trying to nit pick me Timmy Technicality.

Oh well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me for correcting you...and sorry, I thought they had 52 wins one of those years. I still think 50 or more wins should be enough BTW. Which they will get barring injuries.

MooseWithFleas
11-21-2008, 04:17 PM
Its Dwight Howard right now. The numbers he are putting up are just simply absurd.

Lakers4ItAll
11-21-2008, 05:23 PM
Not


its dwight howard right now. The numbers he are putting up are just simply absurd.

MooseWithFleas
11-21-2008, 05:37 PM
My bad... 21 points 14 boards and 4 blocks per game is nothing... anyone can do that... did I mention he is shooting 60% from the field...

NYMetros
11-21-2008, 06:43 PM
I'd go with Dwight Howard, LeBron, or Pierce at this point. All 3 are playing amazing right now.

daleja424
11-21-2008, 07:31 PM
Its Dwight Howard right now. The numbers he are putting up are just simply absurd.

wanna talk absurd... look at d-wade and lebron right now...

Macedonian
11-21-2008, 07:51 PM
Here is the new list from nba.com
Released today...

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
3. Chauncey Billups, Denver Nuggets
4. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
5. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
6. Chris Bosh, Toronto Raptors
7. Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets
8. Carlos Boozer, Utah Jazz
9. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns
10. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics

daleja424
11-21-2008, 07:53 PM
Here is the new list from nba.com
Released today...

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
3. Chauncey Billups, Denver Nuggets
4. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
5. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
6. Chris Bosh, Toronto Raptors
7. Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets
8. Carlos Boozer, Utah Jazz
9. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns
10. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics

thats kinda fair... I still dont think its Kobe. THe Lakers this year are like the Celts last year. The team is amazing, but no one player is the team stud... But thats just MO...

LD V2.0
11-21-2008, 09:55 PM
damn...

cmellofan15
11-21-2008, 10:03 PM
Here is the new list from nba.com
Released today...

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
3. Chauncey Billups, Denver Nuggets
4. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
5. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
6. Chris Bosh, Toronto Raptors
7. Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets
8. Carlos Boozer, Utah Jazz
9. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns
10. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics

What abut Joe? On the last one they had him. I think he's pretty valuable. Not the prettiest stats to look at, and not going to win any popularity contests but c'mon the team was undefeated and he was their leader so that should count for something. But he is putting up 25, 4, and 4, so he should be up there instead of Pierce IMO.

chitown_havoc
11-21-2008, 10:09 PM
Derrick Rose.....!!!! Naw prolly not yet, but forreal I gotta go with D Wade if the heat get a winning record.or Dwight Howard ...I cant stand lebron or kobe...

daleja424
11-22-2008, 12:54 PM
What abut Joe? On the last one they had him. I think he's pretty valuable. Not the prettiest stats to look at, and not going to win any popularity contests but c'mon the team was undefeated and he was their leader so that should count for something. But he is putting up 25, 4, and 4, so he should be up there instead of Pierce IMO.

Then without Smith they dropped 4 strsight... Looks like Johnson may not even be the MVP of his team...

Lebron23
11-22-2008, 03:44 PM
LeBron James

CHRISDODGERS
11-22-2008, 03:58 PM
Here is the new list from nba.com
Released today...

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
3. Chauncey Billups, Denver Nuggets
4. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
5. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
6. Chris Bosh, Toronto Raptors
7. Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets
8. Carlos Boozer, Utah Jazz
9. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns
10. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics

Billups is too high... Johnson should be up there instead of Pierce...

daleja424
11-22-2008, 11:41 PM
I am going to chime in for Wade again after another do it all performance for him... this time in a win...

This time it was 38 pts, 8 assists, 2 blocks with the flu...

DreamShaker
11-23-2008, 12:32 AM
Can I be the first to mention the name....Devin Harris??

daleja424
11-23-2008, 12:33 AM
Can I be the first to mention the name....Devin Harris??

haha...first and last. I have been voting for him everytime as an all-star starter...but he isnt an MVP...

He has been great this year..but he isnt lebron, wade, paul or kobe... Hes not on that level

cahawk
11-23-2008, 11:10 AM
It's all Lebron.

Only reason kobe would be considered is like last year he has the most talent in the NBA around him. Laker's definetly the most talent in the NBA this year.

marvILLous
11-23-2008, 12:57 PM
Can I be the first to mention the name....Devin Harris??

lol seriously? he's good but c'mon MVP?

MiamiHeat
11-23-2008, 01:06 PM
WADE LEBRON one of them :)

NYMetros
11-23-2008, 01:09 PM
The Heat need to have a better record for me to say that Wade should get the nod over LeBron. Having a .500 team won't get it done for me.

DreamShaker
11-23-2008, 03:36 PM
lol seriously? he's good but c'mon MVP?


haha...first and last. I have been voting for him everytime as an all-star starter...but he isnt an MVP...

He has been great this year..but he isnt lebron, wade, paul or kobe... Hes not on that level

I don't think he's the MVP but his name should be mentioned....he's the leader of a Bets team that is doing some nice things....plus it makes the Kidd trade look even worse which is never a bad thing:cool:

DreamShaker
11-23-2008, 03:38 PM
The Heat need to have a better record for me to say that Wade should get the nod over LeBron. Having a .500 team won't get it done for me.

I'm actually not a fan of that method of thinking....Kobe should have been MVP in 2006....it was a joke that he wasn't....

quade36
11-24-2008, 10:19 AM
At the risk of getting the don kobe fans upset, if I were to pick a Laker for MVP, I think it should be Paul Gasol. Lets face it, this team is nothing without him. He was the catalyst last year and is probably the most important player. Don't get me wrong, Kobe will get his. But Kobe put up the same stats as he did when the team was not good enough to even make the playoffs. In fact, his numbers are down. Which I've always said was a good thing, the team plays better when he is less selfish.

_Supreme_
11-24-2008, 10:42 AM
For starters I'm (still) opposed to the notion that the MVP has to do with team's record per definition, so any arguments involving that are flawed Imo.

If you happen to be the best player on one of the best teams that doesn't have to mean you are the most valuable in the league. You might be the best on your team, but when you are on a team full of very good players it doesn't necessarily make you the most valuable in the league at all.

It might be the current standard used by the suspect people voting for the MVP, but it's 100% nonsense, and as long as this reasoning is used the award is even more meaningless than it would otherwise be.

That said, Chris Paul has been absolutely great, and just like last year he should be the frontrunner again at the moment, with a slight edge over Wade and Lebron (in no particular order).

Kabowdos
11-24-2008, 01:12 PM
At the risk of getting the don kobe fans upset, if I were to pick a Laker for MVP, I think it should be Paul Gasol. Lets face it, this team is nothing without him. He was the catalyst last year and is probably the most important player. Don't get me wrong, Kobe will get his. But Kobe put up the same stats as he did when the team was not good enough to even make the playoffs. In fact, his numbers are down. Which I've always said was a good thing, the team plays better when he is less selfish.

Your just saying that because it is 100 percent fact that you hate Kobe.

He is the most important piece to the Lakers unquestionably.

marques724
11-24-2008, 01:13 PM
Wade needs more wins for his team to get MVP. Lebron is the front-runner and if he team keeps this up will likely win it. Unless the lakers win 70 games and they give it to Kobe

Kabowdos
11-24-2008, 01:14 PM
For starters I'm (still) opposed to the notion that the MVP has to do with team's record per definition, so any arguments involving that are flawed Imo.

If you happen to be the best player on one of the best teams that doesn't have to mean you are the most valuable in the league. You might be the best on your team, but when you are on a team full of very good players it doesn't necessarily make you the most valuable in the league at all.

It might be the current standard used by the suspect people voting for the MVP, but it's 100% nonsense, and as long as this reasoning is used the award is even more meaningless than it would otherwise be.

That said, Chris Paul has been absolutely great, and just like last year he should be the frontrunner again at the moment, with a slight edge over Wade and Lebron (in no particular order).

CP3 and Hornets are a worse team than last year right now. It is not all about stats... if it were LeBron would probably have won the last few seasons. And KB24 would have at least two MVPs instead of just one.

Love it or hate it, the MVP goes to the best player on the best team in the best conference.

SouljahPhil...
11-24-2008, 01:42 PM
CP3 and Hornets are a worse team than last year right now. It is not all about stats... if it were LeBron would probably have won the last few seasons. And KB24 would have at least two MVPs instead of just one.

Love it or hate it, the MVP goes to the best player on the best team in the best conference.

yup..totally agree with you..Kobe will only win MVP if the lakers reach 70 wins but doubt it happens...

For me lebron is the frontrunner and will be the MVP when this season ends...Only way wade win it if his team reach 50 wins...If the record was not one of the basis for mvp then kobe should have won it at least 2 times already...

Young2Kinsler
11-24-2008, 03:45 PM
Jose Juan Barea!

Young2Kinsler
11-24-2008, 03:46 PM
yup..totally agree with you..Kobe will only win MVP if the lakers reach 70 wins but doubt it happens...

For me lebron is the frontrunner and will be the MVP when this season ends...Only way wade win it if his team reach 50 wins...If the record was not one of the basis for mvp then kobe should have won it at least 2 times already...

The classic Yankees/Lakers fan... lmao

rosesbulls
11-25-2008, 10:38 PM
ITs Lebron ATM but if lakers get 65+ wins and Cavs get 55> then it goes to Kobe with CP3 getting it if they win 60+ and lakers get 65< and cavs get 55<.

Jonathan2323
11-25-2008, 10:52 PM
Dwyaaaaaaaaane Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaade!!! so far he has to be #1. look at the stats.

Bosh=nextKG
11-25-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm going with a homer pick but he's a legit pick with the season he's having, Chris Bosh.

quade36
11-26-2008, 09:46 AM
Your just saying that because it is 100 percent fact that you hate Kobe.

He is the most important piece to the Lakers unquestionably.

And you are just saying that because its a 100 percent fact that you are obsessed with Kobe

The Lakers would be nothing without Gasol. They've been a completely different team since they got him. Heck he even makes Kobe's TEAM game better. Gasol is a stud.

Young2Kinsler
11-26-2008, 11:22 AM
No one likes my vote?

cmellofan15
11-26-2008, 12:49 PM
Cha Cha or die!!!!

kimchi'sworld
11-26-2008, 01:45 PM
1. Lebron

2. Dwade

3. Stoudemire

4. Kobe

5. D. Howard

5. Paul

6. Duncan

7. Joe Johnson

8. Yao

9. Garnett

10. V. Carter

JayW_1023
11-26-2008, 02:22 PM
Right now...LeBron, followed closely by Kobe.

LeBron has to do more and his team has a pretty awesome record. Kobe however, is playing great ball.

JayW_1023
11-26-2008, 02:25 PM
I'm actually not a fan of that method of thinking....Kobe should have been MVP in 2006....it was a joke that he wasn't....

Good to see another fan here who makes fun of his own players in his sig.

kimchi'sworld
11-26-2008, 02:29 PM
"Your saying that Michael beats KB on the stats you mentioned at age 27, well I've got a fact for you, at the age of 22, Kobe won his FIRST championship. How's that? Beat that!! Where was MJ at 22? At North Carolina trying to absorb coaching remarks from Dean Smith."

Wow, I can't believe someone actually made this comment!!!!!


Actually he probally meant Kobe won his first championship as the sidekick to Shaq at 21 while Jordan won the NCAA Naismith College Player of the Year, The Olympic gold and at 21 was just beginning his journey as the greatest hooper ever to be hailed

NYMetros
11-26-2008, 06:36 PM
Dwyaaaaaaaaane Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaade!!! so far he has to be #1. look at the stats.

LeBron has just as good stats and has a better record. It's interesting how he has a much better record than Wade too. One is 11-3, the other is 7-7.

Talick
11-26-2008, 11:56 PM
1. Lebron

2. Dwade

3. Stoudemire

4. Kobe

5. D. Howard

5. Paul

6. Duncan

7. Joe Johnson

8. Yao

9. Garnett

10. V. Carter

I'm not trying to be a homer but the fact that you're blind to bosh is just rediculous.

Flash812
11-27-2008, 12:16 AM
CP3 will be in the discusion at the end of the year, he has had 2 straight double doubles and his team is starting to get out of their slump. With that said I think Paul finishes second again to Lebron who is playing incredible, maybe 3rd time is a charm and he gets it next year.

Mile High Champ
11-27-2008, 06:01 PM
I really cant understand why Bosh's name is not coming up more. He has been amazing this season. The best PF in the game this season in my mind is Chris Bosh. 2nd in the league in scoring, averaging over 10 boards a game, over 55% from the field, 82% from the charity stripe and one block per game. Plus his defense this year has vastly improved. If the Raptors get on track and get a top 4 seed in the east. Bosh has got a legit chance..

Macedonian
11-28-2008, 01:39 PM
Race to the MVP: LeBron still tops, but Paul makes his move

Source (http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/rob_peterson/11/28/112808racetomvp/index.html)

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
3. Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets
4. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
6. Chris Bosh, Toronto Raptors
7. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
8. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns
9. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
10. Chauncey Billups, Denver Nuggets

jimbobjarree
11-28-2008, 03:24 PM
....enter Deron Williams

EAGLES3658
11-28-2008, 04:13 PM
Caron Butler will be MVP:D

Vinny642
11-28-2008, 07:00 PM
Cp3 man

G-Funk
11-28-2008, 08:12 PM
Lebron James

G-Funk
11-28-2008, 08:15 PM
The classic Yankees/Lakers fan... lmao

The classic Yankee/Lakers Envy...now that's some funny ****.


I guess it's true what they say it get's lonely at the top.

SensandRaps
11-28-2008, 08:18 PM
my top 5 for the mvp right now is
1. Lebron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dywane Wade
4. Chris Bosh
5. Chris Paul

Vinny642
11-28-2008, 08:27 PM
my top 5 for the mvp right now is
1. Lebron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dywane Wade
4. Chris Bosh
5. Chris Paul

Y is Wade ahead of Paul. Hornets got a better record then Heat, Paul's leading two major stat categories. And has 10 Double Doubles and 2 Triple Doubles.

BALLER71
11-28-2008, 11:36 PM
Wade dropped 43 tonight... he's just out of this world right now.

Macedonian
11-28-2008, 11:43 PM
Oh my Bosh
Tonight... 30 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 3 blk

daleja424
11-28-2008, 11:50 PM
Wade dropped 43 tonight... he's just out of this world right now.


Oh my Bosh
Tonight... 30 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 3 blk

Can't tout Bosh on a night that Wade outdid him... Wade is now leading the league in scoring and keeping the heat at .500 until the team gets healthy

Macedonian
11-28-2008, 11:58 PM
Wade outdid him...I'm not sure about it!

Bosh... 30 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 3 blk
Wade... 43 pts, 3 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk

daleja424
11-29-2008, 12:02 AM
I'm not sure about it!

Bosh... 30 pts, 10 reb, 7 ast, 3 blk
Wade... 43 pts, 3 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk

imma take wades 43 in 38 minutes over bosh's 30 in 44 minutes...sorry

kntresistheheat
11-29-2008, 12:31 AM
wade...mvp!!!

unwantedplayer
11-29-2008, 12:54 AM
Stephon Marbury 4 MVP :rimshot::rimshot::rimshot: :rock::rock::rock:

rosesbulls
11-29-2008, 01:07 AM
Stephon Marbury 4 MVP :rimshot::rimshot::rimshot: :rock::rock::rock:

I 2nd that:cheers::hi5::rock::horse::bang::k::nod::worth y::superman::cricket::bow::faint::hide::hide::guns ::dance::rimshot::cheer::injury::flag::moon:

Mile High Champ
11-29-2008, 01:45 AM
imma take wades 43 in 38 minutes over bosh's 30 in 44 minutes...sorry

points are not everything! bosh had a better night

LayZbone
11-29-2008, 01:57 AM
points are not everything! bosh had a better night

Bosh shot 50%, Wade shot 62%. Suns had no answer for him, and the game was never close.

still1ballin
11-29-2008, 02:51 AM
Bosh shot 50%, Wade shot 62%. Suns had no answer for him, and the game was never close.

I'm sure if Nash would of played it would of been a lot closer

Wade_County
11-29-2008, 04:46 AM
They might as well hand Lebron the MVP right now, Wade has a shot but the heat would have the finish im the top 3 in the east and I just dont see it happening.

And I might catch some heat for saying it but I think Cleveland will win the East, sorry Celtics fans.

daleja424
11-29-2008, 11:05 AM
points are not everything! bosh had a better night

Then you clearly have no idea the night Wade had. He sat out the first 6 minutes of the 4th quarter after already having 36 pts and the Heats lead went from 20 something down to 9ish so Wade came back and shut that down to. The only thing Bosh did better then Wade was rebound...whoopdy do... Wade scored 13 more points... Bosh had a good night but Wade single handedly routed the Suns

daleja424
11-29-2008, 11:18 AM
And I don't want to diminish guys like Bosh and Howard but I want to point out that a large number of their points are easy looks off of nice plays by OTHER people. Guys like Wade, Bryant, and Paul have to do the work themselves becasue they set themselves up for easy baskets...

Go watch todays top10 on nba.com and there is a perfect xample. Two plays by wade where he creates for himself and gets an easy dunk and two plays from bosh where his teammates make a nice pass and he gets uncontested looks...

5kiLL5
11-29-2008, 11:46 AM
Brandon Roy. Don't sleep on him, the Blazers are tied for the 2nd best record in the West and he has to be mentioned in the top 10.

daleja424
11-29-2008, 11:48 AM
Brandon Roy. Don't sleep on him, the Blazers are tied for the 2nd best record in the West and he has to be mentioned in the top 10.

He is a solid contributor to a good team... Not an MVP though...maybe not even an all-star

nygiants242
11-29-2008, 11:56 AM
Bosh is carrying the Raptors right now.

jimbobjarree
11-29-2008, 11:56 AM
I hope Wade wins it, I like that guy

nygiants242
11-29-2008, 11:56 AM
Brandon Roy. Don't sleep on him, the Blazers are tied for the 2nd best record in the West and he has to be mentioned in the top 10.

Nah... really can't see that happening at all.

daleja424
11-29-2008, 12:08 PM
Bosh is carrying the Raptors right now.

and wade is carrying the heat, and paul the hornets...whats your point?

rosesbulls
11-29-2008, 01:35 PM
I dont see Wade winning it or even coming close.

That team has just as much talent as Lebrons imo and Lebrons team is looking like the best or at the very least 2nd best team in the east and the only differnce in each teams talent is Cleveland has lebron

Bosh is at least the player of the week this week he had so many dominating games.

MiamiHeat
11-29-2008, 01:43 PM
28.4 PPG

WADE THE NEW SCORING LEADER FOR NOW

43 POINTS LAST GAME

:clap:

MVP MVP MVP!!

JayW_1023
11-29-2008, 01:53 PM
Ironic how all the overzealous NYC media hubbub has put a damp on the LeBron for MVP talk.

Duncan still makes his case for holding the Spurs afloat in midsts of two major stars being injured. He at least deserves a little love.

DQL
11-29-2008, 01:55 PM
I dont see Wade winning it or even coming close.

That team has just as much talent as Lebrons imo and Lebrons team is looking like the best or at the very least 2nd best team in the east and the only differnce in each teams talent is Cleveland has lebron

Bosh is at least the player of the week this week he had so many dominating games.

no the diffrence is the center position. LeBron wouldn't do **** if he had to play w/ Blount (worst basketball player ever), Anthony (undersized, no offensive game) and Magloire (plays like he's 67 years old) at center. Cavs' supporting cast is way better (Mo, Z, Ben, Gibson, Varejao, West...) while the Heat don't have the full squad (Wright, Zo, Jones are injured)

lakers4sho
11-29-2008, 02:05 PM
no the diffrence is the center position. LeBron wouldn't do **** if he had to play w/ Blount (worst basketball player ever), Anthony (undersized, no offensive game) and Magloire (plays like he's 67 years old) at center. Cavs' supporting cast is way better (Mo, Z, Ben, Gibson, Varejao, West...) while the Heat don't have the full squad (Wright, Zo, Jones are injured)

Dirk won with a supporting cast of Terry, Howard, Harris, and a younger Stackhouse. Doesn't really matter what kind of supporting cast you have as long as you're the best player on the best team.

I think LBJ wins it if Cleveland wins 50+ games. Sorry Wade fans.

Macedonian
11-29-2008, 04:52 PM
Bosh is at least the player of the week this week he had so many dominating games.You're definitely right!
The stats from the last week (Nov. 21-28)

Chris Bosh 33.8 pts, 9.0 reb, 3,8 ast, 0,3 stl, 1,5 blk, 56.3 FG%, 87.5 FT%
Dwyane Wade 29.0 pts, 4.0 reb, 6.0 ast, 2.3 stl, 0.8 blk, 49.4 FG%, 75,0 FT%
LeBron James 21.8 pts, 5.3 reb, 5.0 ast, 1.8 stl, 1.3 blk, 53.4 FG%, 81.8 FT%Enough said!:)

carter15
11-29-2008, 04:59 PM
i dont think paul pierce shud even be in the top 10 for mvp right now like he is in manyof the rankings.

jimbobjarree
11-29-2008, 09:09 PM
I think I'm gunna back all these Heat fans all year and say WADE FOR MVP!!!

..you gotta love the guy

ARMIN12NBA
11-29-2008, 09:12 PM
i dont think paul pierce shud even be in the top 10 for mvp right now like he is in manyof the rankings.

Agreed. PP is averaging 18 PPG while shooting a lowly 40% from the field. He has been playing pretty badly. Not to mention he is averaging 3 assists...to 3 turnovers.

jimbobjarree
11-29-2008, 09:13 PM
Agreed. PP is averaging 18 PPG while shooting a lowly 40% from the field. He has been playing pretty badly. Not to mention he is averaging 3 assists...to 3 turnovers.

trade me Deron in the sim league

MiamiHeat
11-29-2008, 10:09 PM
I think I'm gunna back all these Heat fans all year and say WADE FOR MVP!!!

..you gotta love the guy

:hi5:

lakers4sho
11-29-2008, 10:41 PM
trade me Deron in the sim league

:no:

torontosports10
11-29-2008, 11:15 PM
no the diffrence is the center position. LeBron wouldn't do **** if he had to play w/ Blount (worst basketball player ever), Anthony (undersized, no offensive game) and Magloire (plays like he's 67 years old) at center. Cavs' supporting cast is way better (Mo, Z, Ben, Gibson, Varejao, West...) while the Heat don't have the full squad (Wright, Zo, Jones are injured)

Im pretty sure he would do just as good or better then Wade is doing with them. Sayin he wouldnt do **** is just plain stupid.

Jonathan2323
11-29-2008, 11:22 PM
Wade #1 in MVP race right now

cmstophe
11-30-2008, 12:39 AM
Wade #1 in MVP race right now

....no.

Cavs record vs Heat record

The only reason LeBron isn't scoring balls to the wall is because he has been rested a ton the last 4 games.

The funny thing is that I was starting to wonder if LBJ would falter in the MVP race and tonight he comes out and pulls his team together on the road in the second night of a back to back, scores 30 and hits dagger shots in the 4th quarter.

Jonathan2323
11-30-2008, 12:40 AM
....no.

Cavs record vs Heat record

The only reason LeBron isn't scoring balls to the wall is because he has been rested a ton the last 4 games.

The funny thing is that I was starting to wonder if LBJ would falter in the MVP race and tonight he comes out and pulls his team together on the road in the second night of a back to back, scores 30 and hits dagger shots in the 4th quarter.

Wade is palying better right now. look at the stats.

cmstophe
11-30-2008, 12:53 AM
Wade is palying better right now. look at the stats.

Doesnt matter. the Cavs will go much further and LeBron's stats will, in the end, be better or similar. So LeBron would win it over Wade.

jimbobjarree
11-30-2008, 08:46 AM
D Wade for MVP!!

kimchi'sworld
11-30-2008, 09:53 AM
I'm not trying to be a homer but the fact that you're blind to bosh is just rediculous.


That's a fair point, I suppose if I we're to change my top 10 he would have to be at least in the top 5 right now

daleja424
11-30-2008, 10:31 AM
Right now:
1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Bosh
4. Cp3
5. Howard
6. Kobe
7. Billups
8. Duncan
9. Amare
10. Joe Johnson

NYMetros
11-30-2008, 11:58 AM
Last night's Heat game is exactly why Wade is not the MVP. LeBron would not have allowed the Heat to lose that game.

kozelkid
11-30-2008, 12:07 PM
Right now:
1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Bosh
4. Cp3
5. Howard
6. Kobe
7. Billups
8. Duncan
9. Amare
10. Joe Johnson

I like the list although I daresay JJ might deserve to be as high as 4th or 5th... I definitly agree with your top 3, with bosh and wade VERY close, but 4,5,6,7 is a crap shoot between JJ, kobe, howard and cp3 imo.

dudeonthemoon
11-30-2008, 12:22 PM
between kobe n lebron like every other year. who ever gets the most wins will get it so kobe cuz cavs will start to choke sooner or later while lakers stay strong:)
Yeah I agree and they haven't beat a contender yet

Bosh=nextKG
11-30-2008, 12:25 PM
kinda sad how ppl aren't giving any love to Bosh. He's been playing nuts so far this year and O'Neal has been decent so Bosh has been winning those games.

MiamiHeat
11-30-2008, 12:26 PM
Last night's Heat game is exactly why Wade is not the MVP. LeBron would not have allowed the Heat to lose that game.

wow your blaming the game on Wade?
that was all the refs fault Wade had the steal and
would of won the game it would of made him look great

NYMetros
11-30-2008, 12:34 PM
wow your blaming the game on Wade?

For the most part, yeah.


that was all the refs fault Wade had the steal and
would of won the game it would of made him look great

Not that play specifically. But before that, Miami had a bit of a lead. Wade should have taken over the game from that point on and won his team the game. Come on, the Clippers? They had 2 wins before last night. You can't lose to the Clippers (no offense Clippers fans).

MiamiHeat
11-30-2008, 12:37 PM
For the most part, yeah.



Not that play specifically. But before that, Miami had a bit of a lead. Wade should have taken over the game from that point on and won his team the game. Come on, the Clippers? They had 2 wins before last night. You can't lose to the Clippers (no offense Clippers fans).

but the point is we should of won the game we would of won the game if it wasnt for the damn refs

AirFartOne
11-30-2008, 12:42 PM
Top 3 as of now for me are all becoming free agents in 2010. LeBron, Bosh and Wade are interchangable. If they all keep playing like they are playing I think it will depend on their team's success as a deciding factor for who wins the MVP. I also have to give some props to Kobe, best player on a 13-1 team, he defenitely has to be looked at as well.

NYMetros
11-30-2008, 12:44 PM
but the point is we should of won the game we would of won the game if it wasnt for the damn refs

They shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. The Clippers are no better then the Thunder. How come LeBron plays the Thunder and the game is over before halftime, but Wade plays a team just as bad as the Thunder and he needs the refs to bail him out in the end?

MiamiHeat
11-30-2008, 12:57 PM
They shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. The Clippers are no better then the Thunder. How come LeBron plays the Thunder and the game is over before halftime, but Wade plays a team just as bad as the Thunder and he needs the refs to bail him out in the end?

don't compare the Thunder to the Clippers the Clippers have alot of talent in their roster many people wonder why their record is so bad... we will be playing the Thunder Dec.6 and see what happens then

GodsSon
11-30-2008, 01:03 PM
[QUOTE=daleja424;7488096]And I don't want to diminish guys like Bosh and Howard but I want to point out that a large number of their points are easy looks off of nice plays by OTHER people. Guys like Wade, Bryant, and Paul have to do the work themselves becasue they set themselves up for easy baskets...

You might just be the biggest homer in this thread...what do you mean Bosh gets easy looks from other people? most of the time he gets the ball in the high post, faces up, and either shoots over the defender or drives around and gets fouled for 2 FT's. Comparing the offensive game of Bosh to Howard is horrible, Howard gets most of his points off either put-backs, alley-oops, or dunks right under the basket. Anyway, back to the point, the amount of love i see Bosh get in these threads is so minimal its ridiculous, then again, fans are always drawn to 6'6-6'8 guys with athleticism and flashy dunks. tsk tsk tsk

marques724
11-30-2008, 04:37 PM
Wade's team probably won't get enough wins to beat out Lebron even if he does have better stats. Bosh is possibly in the same boat as Wade. It is Lebron's to lose unless the Lakers win a unbelievable amount of games and they give it to Kobe. The media has been waiting for a reason to give it to Lebron and his team is good enough to finally for them to give it to him

DQL
11-30-2008, 08:55 PM
They shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. The Clippers are no better then the Thunder. How come LeBron plays the Thunder and the game is over before halftime, but Wade plays a team just as bad as the Thunder and he needs the refs to bail him out in the end?

I think they are no longer that bad after adding Randolph. Last night he scored 27 pts. Don't underrate them before they defeat your team. Their starting lineup is much much more complete than before

Lebron23
11-30-2008, 08:57 PM
Best player on a contending team is LeBron James.

BADizzleBoY
11-30-2008, 09:01 PM
^:nod:

sixers suck

Mr.Grizzly
11-30-2008, 09:20 PM
CP3 or SUPERMAN

kvrnm
11-30-2008, 10:02 PM
chris paul for MVP

LeBrowns
11-30-2008, 11:52 PM
Right now it's LeBron's to lose.

Zefflin
12-01-2008, 12:42 AM
Lakers could be 81-1 if they keep playing like this. LOL KB will win mvp for putting up Vince Carter numbers in 3 quarters.

lakerboy
12-01-2008, 12:59 AM
Kobe will win it if LA wins more than 65 games.

lakers4sho
12-01-2008, 01:00 AM
nah, people will make excuses.

kvrnm
12-01-2008, 01:01 AM
Kobe will win it if LA wins more than 65 games.

definetly, i meen look at dirks mvp.

kvrnm
12-01-2008, 01:02 AM
nah, people will make excuses.

what does this mean?

JayW_1023
12-01-2008, 07:50 AM
I think Kobe should be frontrunner again. Sure he has alot of talent around him...but it takes a certain mindset as the franchise guy to make the team mesh well. Kobe is picking his spots and setting the tone.

He is trusting his teammates with the rock, but you know when it comes down to it...it's still Kobe who is the man who will take over when the game gets tight.

He doesn't have to average 35 anymore to show that he is still the leagues best player...because his leadership so far has been sufficient. And the results are showing.

And the numbers Kobe is averaging are downright impressive seeing how he has his team have blowout after blowout while he can rest in the 4th.

I think LeBron has been a monster...but Kobe is doing more things...notably on the defensive end.

slaviev
12-01-2008, 09:39 PM
Current Top 10

1. LeBron James, Cavaliers

2. Dwight Howard, Magic

3. Dwyane Wade, Heat

4. Chris Paul, Hornets

5. Amare Stoudemire, Suns

6. Chris Bosh, Raptors

7. Kobe Bryant, Lakers

8. C. Billups, Nuggets

9. Joe Johnson, Hawks

10. Tony Parker, Spurs


NOTE: Will Sticky this for now until we need other thread stickied.[/QUOTE]

rosesbulls
12-02-2008, 12:22 AM
Current Top 10

1. LeBron James, Cavaliers

2. Dwight Howard, Magic

3. Dwyane Wade, Heat

4. Chris Paul, Hornets

5. Amare Stoudemire, Suns

6. Chris Bosh, Raptors

7. Kobe Bryant, Lakers

8. C. Billups, Nuggets

9. Joe Johnson, Hawks

10. Tony Parker, Spurs


NOTE: Will Sticky this for now until we need other thread stickied.[/QUOTE]

Kobe 7!!! Tony Parker has played like 3 games so far. Chris Bosh is dominating Amar'e in the pf catagory, Dwight Howard has been good but isnt as good of a leader and he does give you much at the end of games.

My list
Lebron
Kobe
3-5 CP3, Bosh, Wade
Howard
Amar'e
Duncan
Billups
Joe Johnson

daleja424
12-02-2008, 10:13 AM
Dwyane Wade
another solid 37 pts, 13 assists, 3 blocks game for D-Wade

JayW_1023
12-02-2008, 11:42 AM
Dwyane Wade is averaging more blocks than Emeka Okafor. Amazing...he is 6'4 and playing weakside defense like that.

Then again, with a team so undersized it's logical someone with his hops leads his team in blocks.

camador22
12-02-2008, 12:27 PM
Dwyane Wade
another solid 37 pts, 13 assists, 3 blocks game for D-Wade

Wade's simply amazing. I truly haven't seen someone do the things he does since Jordan. If the Heat end up a top 5 team in the East I think he'll get the MVP

still1ballin
12-02-2008, 12:59 PM
Dwyane Wade
another solid 37 pts, 13 assists, 3 blocks game for D-Wade

What is currently the heats record? 9-9 currently in 9th place in the east. Not going to cut it. You can average all the stats you want, but in the end to win the award your team has to be one of the top team in the conferences.

NYMetros
12-02-2008, 06:49 PM
Dwyane Wade
another solid 37 pts, 13 assists, 3 blocks game for D-Wade

And his team's record is...?

It's LeBron right now with Howard not too far behind.

MiamiHeat
12-02-2008, 06:56 PM
mvp mvp mvp

dwyane wadeeeeeeeeeeee

camador22
12-02-2008, 07:16 PM
What is currently the heats record? 9-9 currently in 9th place in the east. Not going to cut it. You can average all the stats you want, but in the end to win the award your team has to be one of the top team in the conferences.

Currently 7th and if they end up a top 5 team in the East he'll end up winning it. Wade is IMO the best player in the league

J$mo0th_3o5
12-02-2008, 11:28 PM
Dwayne Wade MVP MVP MVP!!!

cmstophe
12-03-2008, 12:08 AM
Wow. The Wade fanboys are unbelievable. He is not winning it over LeBron or even Kobe.

DenButsu
12-03-2008, 12:40 AM
I think Billups is in the conversation now.

My apologies for not using bright colors and gigantic fonts.

cmellofan15
12-03-2008, 12:50 AM
I think Billups is in the conversation now.

My apologies for not using bright colors and gigantic fonts.

He's been in it since the first couple games in Denver IMO. And about the fonts don't worry I'll do it for you.

GO Chauncey!!!!!

:superman:

cmellofan15
12-05-2008, 09:55 PM
Top ten on NBA.com

http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/rob_peterson/12/05/race.to.mvp/index.html

rosesbulls
12-05-2008, 10:07 PM
Heat will need to be alot better then 9-9 for Wade to win MVP think 05-06 Kobe, Lebron, and AI were all putting up crazy #s Kobe was averaging 35 ppg! And none of them won it. Wade wont put up any of those 3 players 05-06 #s and Cleveland was the 4 team in east.

Jonathan2323
12-05-2008, 10:24 PM
there is only one anwser: DWYANE WADE!

MooseWithFleas
12-05-2008, 10:37 PM
Howard finished with 21-23 and 6 blocks. dear god

Jonathan2323
12-05-2008, 10:39 PM
Howard finished with 21-23 and 6 blocks. dear god

aganist the sorry Thunder but those are still great stats

J$mo0th_3o5
12-05-2008, 10:57 PM
The Heat are going to start winning and gonna go on a little streak. Wade for MVP!!!

Jonathan2323
12-05-2008, 10:59 PM
The Heat are going to start winning and gonna go on a little streak. Wade for MVP!!!

HEAT are going to suprise a lot of People Wade for MVP!!!!

J$mo0th_3o5
12-05-2008, 11:06 PM
HEAT are going to suprise a lot of People Wade for MVP!!!!

:nod:

kntresistheheat
12-05-2008, 11:21 PM
wade for mvp!!!!

MooseWithFleas
12-05-2008, 11:27 PM
dear god you guys are loud. don't you care more about your team winning?

NYMetros
12-05-2008, 11:29 PM
No. LeBron is the MVP. LeBron is leading his team to a better record, Wade isn't.

15-3 > 10-9

kntresistheheat
12-05-2008, 11:29 PM
10-9 thank you very much, But I kinda agree with you then again kobe was hated for a while in league......Wade is the most humble guy in the league not saying that will help him win for sure but it helps???? Rest asure if the heat ends up in the top 5 wade will win it and the coach of the year will be spolstra and by the way heat are in the 7th spot:D





Heat will need to be alot better then 9-9 for Wade to win MVP think 05-06 Kobe, Lebron, and AI were all putting up crazy #s Kobe was averaging 35 ppg! And none of them won it. Wade wont put up any of those 3 players 05-06 #s and Cleveland was the 4 team in east.

lol....Yeah of course we are were 5 wins away from equaling our 15 win season last year:p and we will make the playoffs:D





dear god you guys are loud. don't you care more about your team winning?

Calm down, were just messing around its early in the season and wow they are 5.5 games better than us relax:rolleyes:





No. LeBron is the MVP. LeBron is leading his team to a better record, Wade isn't.

15-3 > 10-9

Lebron23
12-06-2008, 03:14 AM
I pray to God that LeBron will score 50 points againts the Bobcats. The Cavaliers are winning, but i also wanted King James to win his 2nd NBA Scoring title.

DenButsu
12-06-2008, 06:52 AM
There is no god. If LeBron wants to score 50, he'll have to do it himself.

michaellui11
12-06-2008, 07:16 AM
lol
harris is in now

BlondeBomber41
12-06-2008, 07:24 AM
I love this thread. Keeps the NBA forum from being flooded with Homer MVP threads. Good idea. :up:

codes238
12-06-2008, 08:57 AM
i want wade to win but realistically if the season ended right now itdd have to be lebron... i think itll be tough though, wade, howard, duncan, CP3 and kobe are all very worthy of the award as well...

DODGERS&LAKERS
12-06-2008, 03:25 PM
There is no god. If LeBron wants to score 50, he'll have to do it himself.

There is a God, but I Lebron will have to score 50 on his own.

still1ballin
12-06-2008, 03:38 PM
Some of you guys need to get off Wade's nuts, Be real here, so far Lebron is leading in the MVP votes.

gangis2169
12-06-2008, 03:48 PM
We will have to see how it plays out later cause the Cavs have played the easiest schedule in the NBA so far. The teams that they have beat are a combine 116-156! 40 games under .500. So Lebron has really done nothing better than he did last year other than having another shooter (Mo Williams) help put away bad teams. Right now it should be a 3 way race between KG, Kobe, and Wade. With Lebron a close second. Its too bad for Lebron that he wont face decent action till mid Jan. Thats were they will be losing around 5-8 games a month there after.

gangis2169
12-06-2008, 03:51 PM
Some of you guys need to get off Wade's nuts, Be real here, so far Lebron is leading in the MVP votes.

Off Wade's nuts???? More like get off Lebron's nuts. If Lebron dont win this year I can garuantee you that he may get to 10 years deep in his career before he wins a title. When Kobe is out of the league and most of the others that have a great chance.

Sox Appeal
12-06-2008, 05:10 PM
Off Wade's nuts???? More like get off Lebron's nuts. If Lebron dont win this year I can garuantee you that he may get to 10 years deep in his career before he wins a title. When Kobe is out of the league and most of the others that have a great chance.

How would you know that? Lebron is one of the best players in the NBA at age 24, and he's only going to improve each and every season. And even if he doesn't win this year, he'll most likely have a more improved team coming back to him next year. (the Cavs have a few expiring contracts) So that mean's they'll be players for Boozer, and all of the other FA's this summer.

rosesbulls
12-06-2008, 05:45 PM
We will have to see how it plays out later cause the Cavs have played the easiest schedule in the NBA so far. The teams that they have beat are a combine 116-156! 40 games under .500. So Lebron has really done nothing better than he did last year other than having another shooter (Mo Williams) help put away bad teams. Right now it should be a 3 way race between KG, Kobe, and Wade. With Lebron a close second. Its too bad for Lebron that he wont face decent action till mid Jan. Thats were they will be losing around 5-8 games a month there after.

Were did you get that garbage from wade is 10-9 while lebron is 16-3.

KG is a bottom 5-10 choice.

Its Lebron, Kobe, CP3 then Wade.

Heat will have to be better then hanging around 500 for wade to be considered.

Lebron is in the lead.

If Kobe didn't win in 2005-2006 when he had #s desroying Wades #s this season and similar record

rosesbulls
12-06-2008, 05:49 PM
There is no god. If LeBron wants to score 50, he'll have to do it himself.

Your going to go to hell for being a Atheist :smoking:

cmellofan15
12-06-2008, 06:02 PM
I don't think we need to bring religion in this thread, and we shouldn't start downing on people's religious beliefs either. It's a thread about NBA players, nothing else should be brought up in the conversation.

IndiansFan337
12-06-2008, 09:36 PM
LeBron is the leader right now, no doubt. His stats might not be where some expect them to be, but that is simply because the Cavs have been blowing out teams often & his mpg are far below where they have been in years past.

He has been the most valuable player in the NBA, thus far.

daleja424
12-06-2008, 09:52 PM
LeBron is the leader right now, no doubt. His stats might not be where some expect them to be, but that is simply because the Cavs have been blowing out teams often & his mpg are far below where they have been in years past.

He has been the most valuable player in the NBA, thus far.

Thats not objective. Kobe is averaging 34 mpg, Wade 36.5, Lebron 35.5, and Paul 38. Lebron is playing basically the same minutes as kobe and wade so I dont wanna here he is only scoring 23 ppg lately bc of minutes...

J$mo0th_3o5
12-06-2008, 10:22 PM
Were did you get that garbage from wade is 10-9 while lebron is 16-3.

KG is a bottom 5-10 choice.

Its Lebron, Kobe, CP3 then Wade.

Heat will have to be better then hanging around 500 for wade to be considered.

Lebron is in the lead.

If Kobe didn't win in 2005-2006 when he had #s desroying Wades #s this season and similar record

The only thing Kobe had an advantage over Wade was Ppg. Everything else so far Wade has done better at.

daleja424
12-06-2008, 11:16 PM
another big night for wade...38 and 7 tonight with 2 blocks...

MiamiHeat
12-06-2008, 11:37 PM
mvp mvp mvp!!!

NYMetros
12-06-2008, 11:39 PM
The Heat barely won. :confused:

MiamiHeat
12-06-2008, 11:41 PM
The Heat barely won. :confused:

:rolleyes:
That was the Coach fault putting Wade out
what's wrong with that? :eyebrow:

daleja424
12-06-2008, 11:48 PM
The Heat barely won. :confused:

did u watch it or just glance at a boxscore. I wonder. If you didnt watch it then just look at the +/- stats. The Heat were +25 with Wade in the game. The only reason it was close is b/c twice the Cats took 15 point leads down near 2 with wade on the bench. Thats just another case for wade being mvp tho...the heat are worse then the thunder without him and a 6 seed or so with him...

J$mo0th_3o5
12-06-2008, 11:55 PM
The Heat barely won. :confused:

I freaking knew somebody was going to say that. Like what Daleja said look at the +/-

gangis2169
12-07-2008, 12:45 AM
Were did you get that garbage from wade is 10-9 while lebron is 16-3.
KG is a bottom 5-10 choice.

Its Lebron, Kobe, CP3 then Wade.

Heat will have to be better then hanging around 500 for wade to be considered.

Lebron is in the lead.

If Kobe didn't win in 2005-2006 when he had #s desroying Wades #s this season and similar record


Well lets see I really dont want to type this again but here you go the Cavs are 17-3 cause they have played teams with a record of 116-156 40 GAMES BELOW .500!!!!!!!!!!! Stats show that they have played the most favorable schedule in the nba. Thats why the 2 leaders of the 2 real best teams in the league are ahead KG and KOBE PERIOD! Not to mention the Cavs lost to BOSTON, NO, and DET....... That's not an MVP in my book! you have to beat the best to be MVP and he hasnt done S**T yet!

Oh yeah P.S. Wade is winning games by himself on a s**t team and is 2 games over .500!

rosesbulls
12-07-2008, 01:20 AM
Well lets see I really dont want to type this again but here you go the Cavs are 17-3 cause they have played teams with a record of 116-156 40 GAMES BELOW .500!!!!!!!!!!! Stats show that they have played the most favorable schedule in the nba. Thats why the 2 leaders of the 2 real best teams in the league are ahead KG and KOBE PERIOD! Not to mention the Cavs lost to BOSTON, NO, and DET....... That's not an MVP in my book! you have to beat the best to be MVP and he hasnt done S**T yet!

Oh yeah P.S. Wade is winning games by himself on a s**t team and is 2 games over .500!

KG is hardly in discussion :rolleyes:.

So, Lakers lost to Indiana and so did Celtics is it worse to lose to good teams then bad?
Lakers lost to Detroit and Celtics lost to Denver so they lost to good teams to.

What has Wade done?

Vinny642
12-07-2008, 02:56 AM
Don't forget bout my boy Chris Paul, winning 6 of last 7, averaging a double double and leading the NBA in Assists by around 2, and in steals. Im not saying the Hornets record is great but don't forget him.

carter15
12-07-2008, 03:10 AM
My Top 10
1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Paul
4. Kobe
5. Howard
6. Bosh
7. Harris
8. Billups
9. Roy
10. Duncan
11. VC (he'll take over harris's spot eventually:))

daleja424
12-07-2008, 01:30 PM
Top 10 right now:
Wade
Paul
Lebron
Dwight
Kobe
Billups
Bosh
Harris
Duncan
Pierce

Faneik
12-07-2008, 04:45 PM
Top 10

1. Chris Paul
2. Dwight
3. Wade
4. Lebron
5. Bosh
6. Boozer
7. Nowitzki
8. Duncan
9. Amare
10. Al Jefferson

cmstophe
12-07-2008, 04:56 PM
Any MVP list that doesnt have Lebron at Top 2 is a total joke.

camador22
12-07-2008, 06:41 PM
There's zero doubt IMO that Wade's the best player in the league right now. However Wade won't be the MVP unless the Heat end up a top 5 team in the East minimum. Therefore here are my current rankings for the month.

1. LeBron
2. D.Howard
3. Wade
4. CP3
5. Kobe

Zefflin
12-07-2008, 08:27 PM
As of now.

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. CP3
4. Dwight
5. Wade
6. Bosh
7. Billups
8. Duncan
9. BRoy
10. Harris

fishfan79
12-07-2008, 08:35 PM
Any MVP list that doesnt have Lebron at Top 2 is a total joke.

I am glad your decision is the standard to go by there :D

1 Dwight
2 Wade
3 Paul
4 Kobe
5 Lebron


mix them and toss them around however you want but those 5 are all amazing players and easily could be the mvp any of them. I would go with the big guy first personally

rosesbulls
12-07-2008, 09:13 PM
I am glad your decision is the standard to go by there :D

1 Dwight
2 Wade
3 Paul
4 Kobe
5 Lebron


mix them and toss them around however you want but those 5 are all amazing players and easily could be the mvp any of them. I would go with the big guy first personally

Wade isn't top 4 imo for MVP talk. IMO your team has to be atleast contending to be a seriouse discussion for MVP.

If a Kobe that averaged 35ppg on a .500 lakers team, a Lebron that averaged 31/7/7 on a 50-32 Cleveland team didn't win it then Why would Wade especially when he isn't even having the clear cut best season and there is no chance he keeps his blocks above 1.5. Wade shouldn't even be a real big possibility. A player whos team is at .500 should be no higher then 3 maybe 2 if there having incredible years (Kobe couple years ago).
imo it's

Lebron
Kobe
Dwight
CP3
Wade.

DenButsu
12-07-2008, 09:18 PM
I'm no Wade fan but I think it's kind of silly to say that he's not in contention for the MVP because of the Heat's record (which isn't great but not that bad, either). He's in the mix right there at the top based on his superlative play this season alone.

JayW_1023
12-07-2008, 09:35 PM
Wade is definately amazing this year individually. It's rare to see a 6'4 guy play so dominantly...almost like someone who is 6'8.

Now he has a jump shot...and his defense has improved as well. It's pretty tough to tell who is the best individual perimeter player in the league...him or LeBron.

With all the individual brilliance aside though, Kobe is once again the frontrunner for MVP in my opinion. He has done a great job leading his team and sacrificing individual glory for team success.

superkegger
12-07-2008, 10:01 PM
did u watch it or just glance at a boxscore. I wonder. If you didnt watch it then just look at the +/- stats. The Heat were +25 with Wade in the game. The only reason it was close is b/c twice the Cats took 15 point leads down near 2 with wade on the bench. Thats just another case for wade being mvp tho...the heat are worse then the thunder without him and a 6 seed or so with him...

We've heard this argument before, see 2006 Kobe Bryant. Didnt work then, won't work now.


I freaking knew somebody was going to say that. Like what Daleja said look at the +/-

Yeah, we all know Wade is the best player on the heat and a very large part for their wins. But they're still 7th in the East and only 2 games over .500


Don't forget bout my boy Chris Paul, winning 6 of last 7, averaging a double double and leading the NBA in Assists by around 2, and in steals. Im not saying the Hornets record is great but don't forget him.

Yeah, Paul is up there. I feel like he might not be in the discussion as much this year as last though, because they're not going to win as many games I don't think. People are much better prepared for them, and while Paul is single-handedly amazing, their bench is still weak, and I can see them wearing down over an 82 game season. Maybe not, but I think they need to make a move to get deeper.


I'm no Wade fan but I think it's kind of silly to say that he's not in contention for the MVP because of the Heat's record (which isn't great but not that bad, either). He's in the mix right there at the top based on his superlative play this season alone.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be. I completely disagree with how the MVP is voted, but while Wade is probably the best player in the game right now, or at least playing better than anyone else right now, the heat still don't look like a good team. Maybe they make a move and get a legit C and they get better and make a push towards the top of the east. But until that happens, he'll be what Kobe was for a few years, the best player in the league, but not MVP.

fishfan79
12-07-2008, 10:10 PM
Wade isn't top 4 imo for MVP talk. IMO your team has to be atleast contending to be a seriouse discussion for MVP.

If a Kobe that averaged 35ppg on a .500 lakers team, a Lebron that averaged 31/7/7 on a 50-32 Cleveland team didn't win it then Why would Wade especially when he isn't even having the clear cut best season and there is no chance he keeps his blocks above 1.5. Wade shouldn't even be a real big possibility. A player whos team is at .500 should be no higher then 3 maybe 2 if there having incredible years (Kobe couple years ago).
imo it's

Lebron
Kobe
Dwight
CP3
Wade.



the award is called Most Valuable Player, Not Most Valuable Playoff Player.

If they wish a MVPP then we give it to the top 2 teams record wise best player. Until then you are completely and utterly wrong, albeit in an opinion. Then again since we all have opnions and they have one thing in common often they all smell like a camels backside :) Goes for mine often too

I would say the amount of what wade has done upon a team with far less has been startling.

DenButsu
12-07-2008, 10:16 PM
I'm not saying he shouldn't be. I completely disagree with how the MVP is voted, but while Wade is probably the best player in the game right now, or at least playing better than anyone else right now, the heat still don't look like a good team. Maybe they make a move and get a legit C and they get better and make a push towards the top of the east. But until that happens, he'll be what Kobe was for a few years, the best player in the league, but not MVP.

Fair enough. Still, I think it's pretty ridiculous for anyone to say he's not even among the top 5 MVP candidates right now, when clearly he is based on strength of individual performance alone.

Nets fan 93
12-07-2008, 10:21 PM
Devin is 8th!

superkegger
12-07-2008, 10:25 PM
Fair enough. Still, I think it's pretty ridiculous for anyone to say he's not even among the top 5 MVP candidates right now, when clearly he is based on strength of individual performance alone.

Agreed. But unless there's a shift in precedent from previous years on how voting goes, Wade (as it stands now anyway, and how it looks the heat season is goin) could really finish no higher than 4th. (Assuming the Lakers, Cavs and Hornets all finish where they're projected to at this point)

That's just how it goes. We Laker fans can feel the Heat fans pain about how Wade should be higher, but it's not going to happen unless they really turn a corner.

superkegger
12-07-2008, 11:24 PM
Nice but i think Kobe should be up there on top
I am a true Kobe fan
in fact i just saw this vid. of this white boy jumping over a truck like Kobe just 2 seconds ago. Its pretty tite, here's the link:

hmm...your name natedogg22, guys name in video, nate...


nothing to do with the MVP either. :pity:

camador22
12-08-2008, 12:35 AM
I doubt Kobe will get this this year. He just hasn't been spectacular, the Lakers have been spectacular but not Kobe. If you ask me whats the difference between him and Pierce this season

Zefflin
12-08-2008, 12:43 AM
You're a blind fool if you can't understand sacrificing individual stats in order to make his team better. The guy is still putting up silly #'s playing 3 quarters a game. Some player named MJ started to understand this when he reached his 30's as well.

rosesbulls
12-08-2008, 12:59 AM
the award is called Most Valuable Player, Not Most Valuable Playoff Player.

If they wish a MVPP then we give it to the top 2 teams record wise best player. Until then you are completely and utterly wrong, albeit in an opinion. Then again since we all have opnions and they have one thing in common often they all smell like a camels backside :) Goes for mine often too

I would say the amount of what wade has done upon a team with far less has been startling.

Actually it does to a point have to do with the playoffs, There is a differnce between best player and Most valuable.

The last time a player won MVP on a team that didn't win there divison was 1987-1988 Michael Jordan won it on a 50-32 bulls team were Michael Finished the season averaging
86-87 CHI
games82 started82 minutes 40.4 FG% .535 3pt% .132 ft% .841

Offensive rebounds 1.7 defensive rebounds3.8 Total Rebounds5.5
Assists5.8 Steals 3.16 Blocks1.6

TO 3.07 PF 3.30 Points35.0

The heat will likely not finish the season just 4 games behind for first or with a 50-32 record. And Wade will definatly not gets those stats

The season before the bulls finished 40-42 (probably around were the heat will finish) Jordan didn't win it averaging

82 82 minutes40.0 fg% .482 3pt% .182 ft%.857 Offensive rebounds 2.0 defensive rebounds3.2 Total Rebounds 5.2 assists 4.6 steals 2.88 blocks1.52 TO 3.32 PF 2.90 37.1

alot better then what wade will likely average this year. So it is atleast half team success possibly more.

Edit: Winner that season, Magic Johnson, averaged 2 more assists 1 more rebound 2 more points then CP3 is this season not to much more.

camador22
12-08-2008, 12:59 AM
You're a blind fool if you can't understand sacrificing individual stats in order to make his team better. The guy is still putting up silly #'s playing 3 quarters a game. Some player named MJ started to understand this when he reached his 30's as well.

Im not saying he's doing the wrong thing. Jordan had spectacular stats and won 70 games. What im saying is what's the difference with Kobe's play and Pierce's play. LeBron and Howard are spectacular and have there teams in contention therefore they have a nod over Kobe. Plus he's averaging 34 minutes a game which is about the same as Wade and LeBron.

Zefflin
12-08-2008, 01:15 AM
What im saying is what's the difference with Kobe's play and Pierce's play. LeBron and Howard are spectacular and have there teams in contention therefore they have a nod over Kobe.

Well the difference is that PP is shooting under 40% and KB is shooting at his highest % yet.

Which is why I gave Lebron the nod over KB, so far...Dwight...not yet.


As of now.

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. CP3
4. Dwight