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CrowninMe
11-10-2008, 03:04 AM
He's looking more and more like a ROY, he's averaging around 19 on the season....and went for 31 tonight. To me, he looks a little like Kobe.


http://hoopsoup.com/2008/11/09/oj-mayo-is-now-rookie-of-the-year-frontrunner/

Fury
11-10-2008, 03:05 AM
wow dude is nice but relax the year just started...2 years ago they also thought adam morrison had the rookie of the year on lock and look what happen to him..

rico
11-10-2008, 03:10 AM
Derrick Rose


Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Nov 08 vs. CLE L 97 - 106 44 7 - 21 0 - 2 3 - 4 3 2 5 9 1 0 3 2 17
Nov 07 vs. PHX W 100 - 83 40 8 - 11 1 - 2 1 - 2 0 4 4 6 2 0 3 1 18
Nov 05 @ CLE L 93 - 107 39 7 - 16 1 - 3 5 - 6 0 0 0 7 1 0 3 1 20
Nov 03 @ ORL L 93 - 96 39 7 - 16 0 - 0 0 - 0 0 4 4 1 0 0 3 3 14
Nov 01 vs. MEM W 96 - 86 37 11 - 20 0 - 1 4 - 4 2 4 6 3 0 0 2 0 26




O.J Mayo


Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Nov 07 @ GSW W 109 - 104 44 8 - 19 1 - 4 3 - 4 3 6 9 4 0 0 3 3 20
Nov 05 @ SAC L 95 - 100 35 10 - 19 6 - 10 2 - 3 1 0 1 0 3 0 2 5 28
Nov 03 vs. GSW W 90 - 79 40 6 - 13 1 - 3 0 - 0 1 3 4 3 2 0 1 0 13
Nov 01 @ CHI L 86 - 96 43 7 - 15 2 - 2 0 - 0 1 3 4 1 1 0 5 3 16



Michael Beasley


Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Nov 08 @ NOH L 89 - 100 36 4 - 13 0 - 0 2 - 2 1 3 4 2 1 0 1 4 10
Nov 07 @ SAS W 99 - 83 31 5 - 10 0 - 0 10 - 10 2 6 8 3 2 2 1 1 20
Nov 05 vs. PHI W 106 - 83 37 7 - 17 0 - 0 3 - 4 2 7 9 1 1 1 4 3 17
Nov 01 @ CHA L 87 - 100 42 10 - 16 1 - 2 4 - 4 1 3 4 1 0 2 1 3 25

CrowninMe
11-10-2008, 03:47 AM
They're all good....but I'm just saying OJ is hte most NBA ready at this point. He looks like he's got the game down. He dropped 26 in the first half. That's pretty sick. We'll see, but it's obvious the T-Wolves screwed up big time.

Hellcrooner
11-10-2008, 04:25 AM
% Fg????


I thought So.

marvILLous
11-10-2008, 04:29 AM
% fg????


I thought so.

52%

DQL
11-10-2008, 04:31 AM
I knew he would put up a lot of points some day. I drafted him pretty high in bb fantasy and it seems to be a wise decision

Hellcrooner
11-10-2008, 04:32 AM
i mean for all the game splayed.

barreleffact
11-10-2008, 04:36 AM
Mayo wont win ROY...barring injury its Rose's to lose

rico
11-10-2008, 04:40 AM
i agree-^

AIMelo=KillaDUO
11-10-2008, 04:53 AM
I don't know if he's defineltey the ROY... He played great in the 1st half of tonights game. He only had 5 points in the second half. So far if I had to choose a ROY through the first two weeks of the season it would be Derrick Rose. Rose has to be the leader of that Bull's team... OJ atleast has Rudy.

kobeonekenobe
11-10-2008, 05:19 AM
i agree with everything the guy said about o.j. Definate leader for ROY for me, he does remind me of kobe too.

barreleffact
11-10-2008, 06:04 AM
i agree with everything the guy said about o.j. Definate leader for ROY for me, he does remind me of kobe too.

kobe was a highflyer...mayo can dunk(and has been able to since 7th grade for him), but no...i dont see the comparisons at all. then again i wasnt really as avid a watcher back then. i was like 8 when he got drafted

Big Quett
11-10-2008, 07:28 AM
% Fg????


I thought So.

He is shooting 44% but if you take out his first game which was terrible. He is shooting 48% his last 6 games. He should have had 40 easy. he had 20 in the first Quarter. He was 8 for 10 and 3 for 3 in 3's.But they went away from him in the 2nd half for some reason. He only had like 5 attempts in the 2nd half up until like the last 5 mins when the game was pretty much over and Rudy blew the game going 4 for 17. And he had 8 boards.


Im in Memphis so i am one of the biggest O J fans but KOBE? I dont really know about that. I dont really like Kobe but i respect his game. I think the Kobe comparisons are a little premature. I dont know if his ceiling is quite that high. I think the better comparison is like Joe Johnson or Ray Allen like. But i would definitely love to be wrong.

Faneik
11-10-2008, 07:52 AM
wow dude is nice but relax the year just started...2 years ago they also thought adam morrison had the rookie of the year on lock and look what happen to him..

About that time I heard things like: "He's the next Larry Bird". LOL.

Considering the rookie of the year award, to me it's still too early to determine who will win it. The top 3 picks Rose, Beasley, Mayo + Oden (if he plays over 65 games) are definitelly the best candidates.

Other than them, Jason Thompson, Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez and Brook Lopez are very good players, but not r.o.y.-material.

fishfan79
11-10-2008, 07:57 AM
is 31 pts or 9 steals in a game more impressive?

JayW_1023
11-10-2008, 08:38 AM
We already knew Mayo could score...he still has to prove he can make his teammtes better and be a leader, something that team desperately needs.

Fans in Asia
11-10-2008, 09:23 AM
I am not talking about ROY but the three rookies below impress me the most.

Derrick Rose
Rudy Fernandez
Mario Chalmers

Another Jazz Fans in Asia
http://jazzfansinasia.blogspot.com

NYKnickFanatic
11-10-2008, 09:38 AM
I don't know if he's defineltey the ROY... He played great in the 1st half of tonights game. He only had 5 points in the second half. So far if I had to choose a ROY through the first two weeks of the season it would be Derrick Rose. Rose has to be the leader of that Bull's team... OJ atleast has Rudy.

LOL @ your sig.
Billups is still wearing his Pistons kicks. :p

NYKnickFanatic
11-10-2008, 09:42 AM
I am not talking about ROY but the three rookies below impress me the most.

Derrick Rose
Rudy Fernandez
Mario Chalmers

Another Jazz Fans in Asia
http://jazzfansinasia.blogspot.com

Yeah, Im really liking Rudy Fernandez. He is definitely a candidate for ROY AND Sixth Man.

DenButsu
11-10-2008, 10:10 AM
LOL @ your sig.
Billups is still wearing his Pistons kicks. :p

But unlike the Pistons, he's still winning games... :rolleyes:

Kyben36
11-10-2008, 10:15 AM
I can definitly say Rose will have a 30 Point game as well. When he is on a Strugling team one day he will just kick in asd start to explode.

HiphopRelated
11-10-2008, 10:56 AM
you want a thread when Beasley drops 30 too??

Let's discuss ROY around allstar break

Kyben36
11-10-2008, 11:05 AM
^ Agreed. 2 weeks in and we alrady talk about ROY MVP and Defensive player of the Year. Lets look at the long Run. Injury and Improvement can realy defer who wins what.

fredv
11-10-2008, 11:07 AM
[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"]I am not talking about ROY but the three rookies below impress me the most.

Derrick Rose
Rudy Fernandez
Mario Chalmers


Don't forget Marc Gasol

JJ81
11-10-2008, 11:14 AM
Although I'm not one of these guys who's obsessed with a certain rookie.

I've like Mayo since the draft, I hope he manages to win ROY this season.:)

theuuord
11-10-2008, 11:22 AM
It's a long season...

NYKnickFanatic
11-10-2008, 11:34 AM
But unlike the Pistons, he's still winning games... :rolleyes:

Yeah, I really dont care for either team.
Just thought it was odd.
As long as my Knicks are winning, Im good. :clap:

Hellcrooner
11-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Big quett , you are in memphis, does it not botter to you that rudy and Oj shoot too many times and basically dont care to pass teh ball to their teamates?

You ned to score both from outside and inside to win games.

Since MArc Gasol made 27 points he has only had 4 shots each game, that is RIDICULOUS..

Yesterday at half time Oj had ggood numbers 9 from 12 i think, but gay was HORRIBLE 3 from 12, thats 25 shots between them, Conley had lik 3 attempts athur like 2 attempts and marc 0 i repeat 0!!!!!!! attempts.


I myself would vot mayo ROY if he is able to dishe 6 assists a game and shoot less than 16 shots a game with a 50% accuracy

Daniel
11-10-2008, 12:19 PM
Can you site the case where someone picked Morrison as the likely ROY

IndyRealist
11-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Can you site the case where someone picked Morrison as the likely ROY

I liked the moustache, does that count? :smoking:

Seriously, consistency wins ROY more than big games do. Regular, significant contributions count much more that having a 31pt game. And of course, you can't measure consistency two weeks into the season, so....

tbron
11-10-2008, 10:04 PM
things will change

SAVAGE CLAW
11-10-2008, 10:23 PM
Scoring is way overated

Afridi786
11-10-2008, 10:27 PM
^ROY will go to whoever's the most hyped. So I'm guessing Oden, Beasley, and OJ in that order.

DenButsu
11-10-2008, 10:38 PM
Scoring is way overated

Yeah, because when it comes to winning basketball games, who needs points? :rolleyes:

Lakers4ItAll
11-10-2008, 10:49 PM
Mayo is a scorer not a leader like Rose

chisox..YES!
11-10-2008, 10:50 PM
hundreds of rookies have scored thirty points in a game, lets not blow this out of proportion

kswissdaf
11-10-2008, 11:21 PM
be carful how u use the word definitely

SAVAGE CLAW
11-10-2008, 11:48 PM
Scored is overrated, in order to win a game i would take Prime Kidd´s 16-18 Points + 10 *** and ALMOST 10 rebounds average instead of say Arenas 30 points 2 assists 1 rebound.

oshea225
11-10-2008, 11:56 PM
52%

its 44%, but ok?

right now oj's scoring and rebounding are looking pretty nice (19.3pts and 5.3rebs). if he wants to win ROY however, he needs to bring his assists (currently 2.0) up. also, his 45% from 3 is very nice, but overall he is only 44%.

mzgrizz
11-11-2008, 12:21 AM
3 minutes to go in the game tonight and OJ has 31 points right now!!!!!!!!!!

Ryan328
11-11-2008, 12:29 AM
Yeah, Mayo is tearing it up again....33 pts, 5 assists, 3 boards

DenButsu
11-11-2008, 12:30 AM
Scored is overrated, in order to win a game i would take Prime Kidd´s 16-18 Points + 10 *** and ALMOST 10 rebounds average instead of say Arenas 30 points 2 assists 1 rebound.

Well, it depends on who the other four players on the team are, too.

The Nuggets could afford to let go of AI, for example, because they've got Melo, Nene, JR, LK... a few other capable scorers. It's great to have a Kidd or a Billups, but the point guard has to have scorers to dish off to.

And of course scoring is not the only thing that wins games, but it goes without saying that you've got to put points on the board.

Ryan328
11-11-2008, 12:31 AM
Mike Conley Jr needs to step it up though....0 pts

Cubs Man 5
11-11-2008, 12:52 AM
If Rose's team makes the playoffs and he keeps this up, he's going to win it.

Beasley actually has Wade and Marion. Although BG7 has been awesome, that's pretty much all Rose has right now. Deng is inconsistent.

Rose is going to win more championships out of all of these guys though. The kid is special. You don't usually see a guy with his talent who is a leader like him.

Afridi786
11-11-2008, 12:54 AM
^OJ will be a great scorer not much else...and scorers (and the most hyped players) usually win ROY awards.

THE MTL
11-11-2008, 01:01 AM
^OJ will be a great scorer not much else...and scorers (and the most hyped players) usually win ROY awards.

Excuse me? Do you not see the 1 steal per game along with 5.5 rebounds per game. Can you say ROY

THE MTL
11-11-2008, 01:02 AM
LOL, it must be a HUGE FIGHT for the ball between Mayo and Gay. Iono how thats going to work out lol.

Afridi786
11-11-2008, 01:05 AM
Excuse me? Do you not see the 1 steal per game along with 5.5 rebounds per game. Can you say ROY

Rose's stat-line, 18ppg, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, 1 steal, and shooting over 45% from the field, is that better than 19ppg, 2 assists (3 TO's), 5.5 rebounds, 1 steal, and 44 FG%, I don't see how Mayo is the clear ROY.

oshea225
11-11-2008, 01:08 AM
If Rose's team makes the playoffs and he keeps this up, he's going to win it.

Beasley actually has Wade and Marion. Although BG7 has been awesome, that's pretty much all Rose has right now. Deng is inconsistent.

Rose is going to win more championships out of all of these guys though. The kid is special. You don't usually see a guy with his talent who is a leader like him.

team records, playoffs, etc. dont factor into the roy award. just look back to last season. durant won the award, despite his team having one of the worst (2nd worst, if im not mistaken). al horford and his hawks went to the playoffs and played very well in them.

the point is, ROY is all about stats and individual performance, not about team success.

SAVAGE CLAW
11-11-2008, 01:11 AM
Just saw Grizz game... too many bad shooting and ill advised decisions to hand him Roy.

scandaless2
11-11-2008, 01:19 AM
All the R.O.Y

Rookie of the Year

Eddie Gottlieb Trophy
2007-08 - Kevin Durant
2006-07 - Brandon Roy, Portland
2005-06 - Chris Paul, New Orleans/Oklahoma City
2004-05 - Emeka Okafor, Charlotte
2003-04 - LeBron James, Cleveland
2002-03 - Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix
2001-02 - Pau Gasol, Memphis
2000-01 - Mike Miller, Orlando --------- Michael Redd 43rd pick is better
1999-00 - Elton Brand, Chicago (tie), Steve Francis, Houston
1998-99 - Vince Carter, Toronto ------- Dirk Nowitzki & Paul Pierce are better
1997-98 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
1996-97 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia
1995-96 - Damon Stoudamire, Toronto ------ Kevin Garnett is better
1994-95 - Grant Hill, Detroit (tie), Jason Kidd, Dallas
1993-94 - Chris Webber, Golden State
1992-93 - Shaquille O'Neal, Orlando
1991-92 - Larry Johnson, Charlotte
1990-91 - Derrick Coleman, New Jersey
1989-90 - David Robinson, San Antonio
1988-89 - Mitch Richmond, Golden State
1987-88 - Mark Jackson, New York
1986-87 - Chuck Person, Indiana ------ Dennis Rodman is better
1985-86 - Patrick Ewing, New York
1984-85 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
1983-84 - Ralph Sampson, Houston
1982-83 - Terry Cummings, San Diego
1981-82 - Buck Williams, New Jersey
1980-81 - Darrell Griffith, Utah
1979-80 - Larry Bird, Boston
1978-79 - Phil Ford, Kansas City
1977-78 - Walter Davis, Phoenix
1976-77 - Adrian Dantley, Buffalo
1975-76 - Alvan Adams, Phoenix
1974-75 - Keith Wilkes, Golden State
1973-74 - Ernie DiGregorio, Buffalo
1972-73 - Bob McAdoo, Buffalo
1971-72 - Sidney Wicks, Portland
1970-71 - Dave Cowens, Boston (tie), Geoff Petrie, Portland
1969-70 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee
1968-69 - Wes Unseld, Baltimore
1967-68 - Earl Monroe, Baltimore
1966-67 - Dave Bing, Detroit
1965-66 - Rick Barry, San Francisco
1964-65 - Willis Reed, New York
1963-64 - Jerry Lucas, Cincinnati
1962-63 - Terry Dischinger, Chicago
1961-62 - Walt Bellamy, Chicago
1960-61 - Oscar Robertson, Cincinnati
1959-60 - Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia
1958-59 - Elgin Baylor, Minneapolis
1957-58 - Woody Sauldsberry, Philadelphia
1956-57 - Tom Heinsohn, Boston
1955-56 - Maurice Stokes, Rochester
1954-55 - Bob Pettit, Milwaukee
1953-54 - Ray Felix, Baltimore
1952-53 - Don Meineke, Fort Wayne

DreamShaker
11-11-2008, 02:31 AM
Mayo is a good defender from what I've heard so far....am I wrong about this???

Second City
11-11-2008, 03:18 AM
I think that I will be Rose in the end...but it is a very long season and all of them will run into the rookie wall eventually.

marvILLous
11-11-2008, 03:23 AM
its 44%, but ok?

right now oj's scoring and rebounding are looking pretty nice (19.3pts and 5.3rebs). if he wants to win ROY however, he needs to bring his assists (currently 2.0) up. also, his 45% from 3 is very nice, but overall he is only 44%.

uhh, ok? the game he scored 31 pts he shot 52%, that's what i was talking about? ok?

_Supreme_
11-11-2008, 03:30 AM
Rose's stat-line, 18ppg, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, 1 steal, and shooting over 45% from the field, is that better than 19ppg, 2 assists (3 TO's), 5.5 rebounds, 1 steal, and 44 FG%, I don't see how Mayo is the clear ROY.

Rose has hurt the Bulls as much as he helps them. He is not playing like a playmaking point guard should play, but he tries to be Wade/Kobe/etc instead.

He shouldn't be taking all those shots. He is shooting way too much (and missing them too). The Bulls envisioned a CP3/Dwill type player when they drafted him, and he is playing a completely different style right now.

Mayo is definitely the front runner for ROY at the moment.

zambo4president
11-11-2008, 03:54 AM
Have you heard of Derrick Rose?

DamnGoat
11-11-2008, 06:29 AM
Rose has hurt the Bulls as much as he helps them.
:laugh2:

Not quite.

Explain how a teams 2nd leading scorer and leader in AST hurts them? That's ridiculous.

He is shooting way too much (and missing them too).
You act like a 46% FG% is a bad thing from a Rookie PG. It's pretty good actually.

The Bulls envisioned a CP3/Dwill type player when they drafted him, and he is playing a completely different style right now.
He's getting his teammates plenty of open looks, but they just aren't knocking them down. Deng, Nocioni and Thomas are all shooting under 40% so far and they account for probably half this teams shot attempts.

You cannot blame Rose for that.

Other than Ben Gordon there isn't a regular that's been a consistent Offensive player for the Bulls.

I'm pretty sure your entire critique is based on game logs and box scores since you've made this baseless argument more than once.

Mayo is definitely the front runner for ROY at the moment.
Eh, I don't see how?

If anything they're neck and neck right now.

Mayo is what he is, a great scorer. Rose can be a great scorer and playmaker, he's proving it so far.

_Supreme_
11-11-2008, 07:05 AM
:laugh2:

Not quite.

Explain how a teams 2nd leading scorer and leader in AST hurts them? That's ridiculous.


I watched that last game and Rose was taking way too many (bad) shots (also at the end of the game), which resulted in part in the loss.

In the Orlando game there were several Bulls players who were hitting a high percentage of their shots and Rose didn't assist on any of them, ending up with 1 total on the evening. So that can't be used as an excuse because at least 3 other Bulls were having a better shooting night than he was having, and he still kept taking the shots himself.

During the Boston game he was almost invisible even though he ended up the top scorer (and his teammates were having an awful night indeed). He had 18 points but when you watched the game you saw he didn't really play that well at all.

He wants to be the hero too much too soon. Patience would help the team building process more Imo, but it's also the coach's job to set the priorities straight so it's not neccessarily Rose's fault. He is a rookie after all.

The Phoenix game was very good though.

But Mayo has simply been the best rookie up untill this moment. He is doing the job Memphis got him for, and he is doing it very well so far (shooting a much higher percentage than I expected).

WickedBadMan
11-11-2008, 07:30 AM
I think the fact that Rose wasn't expected to make this big of an impact this early on would gather more votes than Mayo.

Good thing still a lot of games left to be played though!

_Supreme_
11-11-2008, 07:37 AM
Good thing still a lot of games left to be played though!

Yeah, all these discussions already about awards only a couple weeks into the season are really stupid.

Big Quett
11-11-2008, 08:53 AM
I think the fact that Rose wasn't expected to make this big of an impact this early on would gather more votes than Mayo.

Good thing still a lot of games left to be played though!

Are you serious? Name 1 first overall pick in the draft who wasnt expected to make a difference in year 1 just name 1? Dont worry i'll wait.:eyebrow:

Big Quett
11-11-2008, 09:11 AM
Big quett , you are in memphis, does it not botter to you that rudy and Oj shoot too many times and basically dont care to pass teh ball to their teamates?

You ned to score both from outside and inside to win games.

Since MArc Gasol made 27 points he has only had 4 shots each game, that is RIDICULOUS..

Yesterday at half time Oj had ggood numbers 9 from 12 i think, but gay was HORRIBLE 3 from 12, thats 25 shots between them, Conley had lik 3 attempts athur like 2 attempts and marc 0 i repeat 0!!!!!!! attempts.


I myself would vot mayo ROY if he is able to dishe 6 assists a game and shoot less than 16 shots a game with a 50% accuracy

Since his first game Mayo is shooting 48% from the field and 45% from 3. And how many guards can you name that shoot 50%? So why would u expect a rookie guard too. And plus He doesnt play Point so he is not going to average 6 assists .and he is averaging 5 boards. Hell Rose doesnt even average 6 assists. So why are u so critical on mayo for not doing so? If you watch the game O J takes good shots. He is a good shooter. And he is shooting 88% from the stripe. Plus he was 8 for 9 in the first quarter so that means he was hot when someone has the hot hand u feed them If he wasnt hot he wouldnt have taken that many shots.

What bothers me is rudy. He is not a good shooter and he is just jacking up shots. He is is shooting 40% from the field and 17% from 3. He needs to realize he is not a shooter he is a slasher. Im talking about watching the game he makes you cringe at the shots he takes.

I agree maybe other people need more shots. IMO Marc does need about 10 shots a game, But who else do you want to shoot? Lowery, Ross, Conely, Buckner? I think not. And Conely is a worst shooter than Rudy. I really dont like Conely. He has shown me nothing

And dont act like you care if anyone else gets shots you just care about your your fellow Spaniard Marc. So dont act like your just that concerned about the team. If Marc was getting 20 shots a game you wouldnt care if the grizz lose every game. So dont even come at me like that.

Mr.Grizzly
11-11-2008, 09:15 AM
guess what he just dropped 33. 19 in the fourth.

king4day
11-11-2008, 10:44 AM
I've only seen Rose and Mayo play one game each. Mayo impressed me more, but it'll be a tight race. IMO, I think Memphis may soon surpass Portland as the team with the brighter future. They are NICE, and they are very young. Also, they have pieces to deal for a big name.

Hellcrooner
11-11-2008, 11:44 AM
guess what Bett, i think ARTHUR should have shots too, and Darko.

rosesbulls
11-11-2008, 12:10 PM
I've only seen Rose and Mayo play one game each. Mayo impressed me more, but it'll be a tight race. IMO, I think Memphis may soon surpass Portland as the team with the brighter future. They are NICE, and they are very young. Also, they have pieces to deal for a big name.

How did Mayo impress you more that game. Mayo scored 16 points on 7-15 shooting and played 43m Rose played 37minutes on 11-20 shooting scored 26 points 4-4 on the line. Rose led the team back in the 2nd half when he started to take over instead of passing to open guys who were just shooting bricks. Rose is going to get his assists up rookie pg usually have relatively low assist numbers to start the season because there players arnt used to them yet so give it a month and rose will be at 6.5 apg. In they end I think it will be Rose but very close. Rose looks for his guys and gets them open people who watch his games will see that. Mayo seems like he has only one goal and thats to score with a 2nd goal in the back of his mind to pass it to gay. I think it will be close but i give it to rose at end of season. Also Rose plays better Defense and hustles more on break aways and loose balls so i give rose a couple mroe votes because of his defense.my predicted rose rookie numbers: 19/6.6/4/1.3 Predicted Mayo Rookie numbers are 22/2/5/1.4 pretty close but because of better defense and Rose being a tougher pg position probably toughest position in nba because their are so few and the demand for really good pg. I give it to Rose but its a long season by the end of it Rose and Mayo might both not even be in talk for ROY or maybe Mayo brings his scoring to 25 and he runs away with it who knows. I definatly dont really see Beasly in contension he plays no defense and has nothing in his game other then score. he's a pf averaging 6.5 rebounds a game:pity:

rosesbulls
11-11-2008, 12:26 PM
Are you serious? Name 1 first overall pick in the draft who wasnt expected to make a difference in year 1 just name 1? Dont worry i'll wait.:eyebrow:

pg are never exspected to jump out the gate Deron Williams is a clear exsample of that and Rose was a freshman while AI left as a sophmore, Jason Kidd left as a sophmore, Chris Paul Sophmore and Deron Williams Junior. You want to see how hard it is for a Freshman pg to transition take a look at your very own Mike Conley Jr. pg is the hardest position to transition to while Sg is probably the easiest because the only real signifigant differnce is adjusting to the 3pt line. as to your question about #1 picks exspected to come in slowly Kwame Brown wasnt expected to jump out the gate immediatly and he never did Just like Rose wasnt expected to jump out the gate but he DID

Blue Tiger
11-11-2008, 12:55 PM
Mayo is great but in the long run he still got some competition with Micahel and Derrick.

MiamiHeat
11-11-2008, 01:17 PM
OMG!! OMG!!
He drops 31
LET'S MAKE HIM PRESIDENT!
come on man seriously.. we already knew he could score :rolleyes:
this guy is a ballhog to be in the future

ATX
11-11-2008, 01:41 PM
So far through the young season, I'd have to go with Derrick Rose for ROY. He does so much more for his team than just shoot. There is still a lot of basketball to play...

CrowninMe
11-11-2008, 03:28 PM
Dude's averaging 21 and hit 31 and 33 on consecutive nights on the road. You're smoking the sticky icky if you think he's not ROY frontrunner.

MiamiHeat
11-11-2008, 03:43 PM
^ ballhog to be in the future
he's a PG right?...

DamnGoat
11-12-2008, 01:41 AM
I watched that last game and Rose was taking way too many (bad) shots (also at the end of the game), which resulted in part in the loss.
The Cavs game? That was his worst shooting game, but he sure as hell wasn't the reason they lost. Nobody could stop LeBron in the 4th, that does happen from time to time.

The 9 AST in that game show he's a capable playmaker, but maybe you're expecting 10+?


In the Orlando game there were several Bulls players who were hitting a high percentage of their shots and Rose didn't assist on any of them, ending up with 1 total on the evening. So that can't be used as an excuse because at least 3 other Bulls were having a better shooting night than he was having, and he still kept taking the shots himself.

One game, good example...:rolleyes:


During the Boston game he was almost invisible even though he ended up the top scorer (and his teammates were having an awful night indeed). He had 18 points but when you watched the game you saw he didn't really play that well at all.
I watched that one and he played fine, better than any other Bull that game. When your team shoots 29% for the game, how many AST can you honestly expect?


He wants to be the hero too much too soon. Patience would help the team building process more Imo, but it's also the coach's job to set the priorities straight so it's not neccessarily Rose's fault. He is a rookie after all.
You say Hero, I say Leader. Isn't it the point for your best player to step up and take over when needed? Nobody else is doing it (or very capable), so why can't Rose? It's not like the Bulls are winning anything in the near future, so what's so wrong with him scoring when his teammates are throwing up bricks?

Yeah, all these discussions already about awards only a couple weeks into the season are really stupid.
Yet you and countless others say stuff like this:

Mayo is definitely the front runner for ROY at the moment.
Talk about a contradiction...

Anyway, I could care less if Rose wins ROY, it's a fairly meaningless award. It doesn't guarantee that you'll be the best player from your draft class by any means. It's best to look at these players 2-3 years down the line and see how they're doing and how their teams are doing.

I will always defend him though when posters blame him for not being a playmaker when it's mostly his teammates letting him down.

theuuord
11-12-2008, 01:45 AM
It's a long season...

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THE MTL
11-12-2008, 02:21 AM
If a rookie can average 20ppg and 5.5 rebounds. I think thats ROY! And Mayo is only going to get better. It has only been 5 games and he hit 30 point mark twice and also had a 28pt game. As of now, Grizzlies are better than Chicago anyway. However it is a long season and watch Beasley rise up or Gallinari :D

Cubs Man 5
11-12-2008, 02:32 AM
Rose tonight: 26 points 10 rebounds 6 assists against the undefeated Hawks.

Crown him. He's so filthy. He's faster than anyone in the league. He scores like Wade. Passes like Paul. Leads like Garnett...

Sox Appeal
11-12-2008, 02:56 AM
Rose tonight: 26 points 10 rebounds 6 assists against the undefeated Hawks.

Crown him. He's so filthy. He's faster than anyone in the league. He scores like Wade. Passes like Paul. Leads like Garnett...

I'm a HUGE Derrick Rose fan, but I wouldn't say any of the things you just said where true, YET. There's no doubt Rose is fast, but saying he's the fastest player in the league may be a little extreme. Also, I do believe Rose has the potential to average 20-21PPG in the NBA, but he'll only be able to do that if he can develop some type of jump shot. (Which I believe he will) So that isn't Wade good, but it's not to shabby. I do agree with you on the passing like CP3 part. The leading part, I think we should give sometime, and see what type of leader he turns into.