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Highcheese4U
11-05-2008, 05:03 PM
Okay all you PIRATES FANS.... this forum is absolutely-DEAD and its time to WAKEUP!! :eyebrow: :rolleyes:

Let's talk Pirate Baseball! :cool:

How about offseason moves... who are we adding/extending or better yet releasing etc...?

Are there any low-risk, under-the-radar moves we could make that will improve our team this offseason??

Let's hear it!! :clap:

steelersigf03
11-05-2008, 09:10 PM
we should pick up braden looper SP for Cardinals last yr.
Also I think since we will be trading Jack Wilson and Freddy Sanchez, we should pick up Nick Punto from the Twins he is the ultimate utility man.
Plus, I think we should try and pick up Hank Blaylock to play thrid.
Last but certaintly not least lets trade Adam Laroche, Gorzo, and Zake Duke to the Brewers for Prince Fielder. Fielder is sick, much better than Laroche, Duke is washed up at 25. Gorzo might pan out but oh well if we get Fielder.
But none of this will happen because the Nuttings Suck. So, we will see hopefully Mientkiewicz come back and if that happens just start him at third.
Here we go Steelers.

Lets go Pens.

Lets go Bucs. in the year 2012. Maybe.

Highcheese4U
11-06-2008, 04:29 PM
Well, if only we had a rich owner who would put the money back into the team..then maybe we could compete with the rest eh!? Just how much is our current ownership willing to spend?? Where's Cuban when you need him..:cool:

Good stuff though steelers!..good ideas-especially the Fielder one! We need some more life on this team! At least we have Nate so its not all lost completely...

As far as pitching goes, how about Jeremy Affelt or Pedro for veteran presence? If that doesn't work theres always your last resort list like Jamie Moyer and Paul Byrd lol....or maybe we could get Kei Igawa from the Yanks?

Jack Wilson is pretty much a goners... like your idea of Punto! A lot of other teams like him too though and teams with much more cash than we have!

As for the rest of the outfield...don't really know but I would love to see Rocco Baldelli -he could thrive here in Pit!

In the infield, there are a few vets we could look to sign if we don't trade or promote from within. There is Orlando Cabrera/Edgar Renteria for shortstop and Felipe Lopez for 3B if the Punto idea doesnt work..

Go BUCS!!!

pittspens71
11-06-2008, 04:44 PM
dude nick punto is awesome, i used to watch him play in the minors. he was a fast son of a gun. as for the prince fielder, never going to happen[ we in the same division, and we don't have enough pitching prospects.]

Highcheese4U
11-06-2008, 05:46 PM
dude nick punto is awesome, i used to watch him play in the minors. he was a fast son of a gun. as for the prince fielder, never going to happen[ we in the same division, and we don't have enough pitching prospects.]

So who else do you recommend? Is there anyone else you think we will end up with??

steelersigf03
11-06-2008, 09:04 PM
Dude, the Nuttings need to do something to keep fans coming, Fielder is that attraction, he would hit 8 home runs into the river at least. I agree that this trade is a little thin but I think if you through in Chris Duffy and another pitching prospect and they through in some scraps that this deal could be done and for the sake of the Pirates it should be done. But since it wont I'll tell you who they should try and sign the Dodgers just declined Brad Penny's option, they should try and sign him. He's a horse. They got to sign someone this offseason at least to raise there payroll to a respectable 40 mil.? I think if we through Laroche duffy gorzo and duke plus a prospect for Fielder the brewers would have to take that they aren't going to sign him. That trade should only happen though if the Pirates decide to do the right thing and sign Prince to a long term deal. Which will never happen so why do we care. I don't think I am going to buy my 20 game plan this year. I'd rather go watch the Washington Wild Things at this point.

steelersigf03
11-06-2008, 09:09 PM
I think it would be great to see Pedro but he wont sign here at this stage of his career. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't go to the Yankees. Rocco is awesome but never happen because the Pirates are to sured up in the outfield if he could play third I'd take him in a heart beat. If I were running the team I would start this lineup next year.

1.Nyjer Morgan
2.Andrew McCutchen
3.Nate McClouth
4.Ryan Doumit
5.Adam Laroche
6.Pedro Alverez
7.Freddy Sanchez
8.Jack Wilson

As of right now at least.

Twins Fan 7
11-07-2008, 02:50 AM
we should pick up braden looper SP for Cardinals last yr.
Also I think since we will be trading Jack Wilson and Freddy Sanchez, we should pick up Nick Punto from the Twins he is the ultimate utility man.
Plus, I think we should try and pick up Hank Blaylock to play thrid.
Last but certaintly not least lets trade Adam Laroche, Gorzo, and Zake Duke to the Brewers for Prince Fielder. Fielder is sick, much better than Laroche, Duke is washed up at 25. Gorzo might pan out but oh well if we get Fielder.
But none of this will happen because the Nuttings Suck. So, we will see hopefully Mientkiewicz come back and if that happens just start him at third.
Here we go Steelers.

Lets go Pens.

Lets go Bucs. in the year 2012. Maybe.

If the Pirates gave him the starting Short Stop job I really don't think it would cost you guys too much. Probably no more than a couple million. I want him back with the twins, but not as a starter. I really think he'd be a good fit with a young rebuilding team. Look at what the Rays did this year, anything is possible, and one of the things they focused on was defense, they had Bartlett be their shortstop and he didn't hit that much,probably about as much as Punto, but he stabilized the position.

pittspens71
11-07-2008, 07:43 PM
prince fielder won't be traded to the pirates. duffy is injury prone, duke no one can figure out, gorzo he was injured this year[ is it long term idk] laroache is overrated and overpaid. the pirates only good and sure thing prospects r andrew m, jose tabata, and pedro alvarez. it will take at least two of them for milwalke to even consider it.

pittspens71
11-07-2008, 07:46 PM
i like the brad penny deal though. i wish they had the money to buy jon garland. nick punto would be a great fit. i say take a chance on carl pavono, maybe even mark prior. i haven't made my offseaon perdictions yet. i will in a couple of weeks, once we know who is a free agent.

NYMetros
11-08-2008, 12:24 AM
I don't want to bring in any more veterans in free agency. The last think we need is another half-baked rebuilding scheme.

SenecaValley46
11-08-2008, 11:11 AM
I don't want to bring in any more veterans in free agency. The last think we need is another half-baked rebuilding scheme.

If we dont no one will go to the games as it should be. The fans should make a stand.

We need some veterans to attract us to the game and give us hope. Hell then trade them away to add on to the future like always.

NYMetros
11-08-2008, 02:27 PM
If we dont no one will go to the games as it should be. The fans should make a stand.

We need some veterans to attract us to the game and give us hope. Hell then trade them away to add on to the future like always.

Look at the Rays. They did it the right way. They drafted well with their extremely high draft picks and then brought in good Free Agents to put around their young talent.

Highcheese4U
11-10-2008, 04:24 PM
What we need is the right owner. If we had the owner that was willing to try and put the bucs in a winning situation then we could talk a whole new ballgame via free agency and the like... but without someone like that it'll be like groundhog day and every year is a rebuilding year here in Pittsburgh!

There are some guys out there via free agency this year that we could try and you guys have a lot of great ideas but what do you think will happen? Will our management sit back and remain status quo again or will they be more aggressive and try to compete for some of the bigger names?? I would hope that we do go after some of these guys and not just settle for sloppy seconds or the occassional non-roster invitee..

What do you think?

vick27m
11-10-2008, 11:01 PM
you guys should buy some wins.:up::pity::pity:

Maz60
11-18-2008, 09:17 PM
Jack Wilson is gone, will no doubt be used to get back a young arm to make up for the Scheppers debacle.

Highcheese4U
11-21-2008, 04:54 PM
Bucs patient as free agency opens


PITTSBURGH -- While much of the country was already asleep, Major League Baseball was busy ushering in the beginning of its offseason's frenzy. The free-agency period opened up in full at 12:01 p.m. ET on Friday, as teams lost exclusive negotiating rights with players on their '08 clubs who had filed for free agency.
In other words, everyone's services are now up for grabs.

For the Pirates, the exclusive two-week window to talk dollar figures with free agents Doug Mientkiewicz, Chris Gomez, Luis Rivas and Jason Michaels has ended. However, because the club already expected -- and to some extent encouraged -- each of the four players to consider offers elsewhere, there was never an expectation to get any of the four players signed before the market opened up in full.

So what does the opening of the free-agent market mean for the Pirates. Well, not much in the immediate future.

General manager Neal Huntington has already acknowledged the fact that his club is not in the market for any of the marquee free agents. And as a result, Huntington is planning on allowing the market to set itself before making a significant dive.

"We're not going to play on the first tier [of players] and the first tier is going to establish the market," Huntington said late last week. "We are in touch with a number of players that we are interested in, but much of their decisions will come after that market is set. We're not going to set the market at any rate."

While the Pirates may not be a significant player early, that's not to say the organization doesn't already have its priorities laid out. A veteran starter and a right-handed power bat top that list, though the bench will have to be almost entirely revamped as well.

But most likely, it won't be until after that first echelon of players sign that the Pirates will be able to get a better grasp of which available players might be the best fit financially. The organization has publically stated that dollar figures won't be as restraining this offseason as in years past; however, there is still little anticipation for the Pirates to spend a significant amount in the market.

As for their pursuit of the their own four players who filed for free agency, the Pirates have not ruled out any of the four as potential returners in '09. However, with each of the four exploring options elsewhere, no signings are expected to be imminent.

"Basically, the conversations we've had with them is to go explore the market and see what's out there," Huntington said, specifically citing conversations with Michaels and Mientkiewicz. "As soon as they know what's out there, then they can come back to us and we can begin to talk in more financial terms."

None of the four is a Type A or Type B free agent, meaning if the player signs elsewhere, the Pirates will receive no compensation in return.

Link to article (http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081113&content_id=3678749&vkey=news_pit&fext=.jsp&c_id=pit)

Highcheese4U
11-21-2008, 04:58 PM
While I don't necessary think top tier FA's are always the way to go, it is always disappointing to hear our GM say we won't even be interested. And furthermore, not only that but encouraging our veterans to seek offers elsewhere does not sit well with the fans and I think I speak for most of us here when I say that.

At some point we need to get a little more aggressive! :rolleyes:

Maz60
11-21-2008, 05:35 PM
What would lead anyone to assume the Bucs will go after any SECOND TIER free agents?

Any signings will be table scraps.

Highcheese4U
12-04-2008, 02:52 PM
According to the post...

The Pirates are focused on Los Angeles in their trade talks involving shortstop Jack Wilson, with Dodgers shortstop prospect Chin-Lung Hu and outfielder Delwyn Young still at the forefront of the possible return.

Highcheese4U
12-05-2008, 09:45 PM
12/05/2008 12:02 PM ET
Pirates sign Daniel Haigwood as a Minor League free agent

The Pittsburgh Pirates today signed left-handed pitcher Daniel Haigwood to a Minor League contract with an invitation to big league camp in Spring Training. Haigwood went 2-3 with one save and a 3.36 ERA (67.0ip/25er) in 38 games (three starts) during the 2008 season with Portland (Red Sox' AA). He went 1-2 with one save and a 3.42 ERA (55.1ip/21er) in 35 relief appearances and 1-1 with a 3.09 ERA (11.2ip/4er) in three starts. Haigwood was originally selected by the Chicago White Sox in the 16th round of the 2002 Draft.

Here is a list of other recent Minor League signings by the Pirates.

Nov. 17:
Ashley Ponce (SS) - Signed as a non-drafted free agent to the Venezuelan Summer League Pirates.
Julio Denis (LHP) - Signed as a non-drafted free agent to the Venezuelan Summer League Pirates.
Jorge Bishop (SS) - Signed as a non-drafted free agent to the Venezuelan Summer League Pirates.

Nov. 21:
Maiko Loyola (OF) - Signed as a minor league free agent to Triple-A Indianapolis. Loyola hit .280 (132-for-471) with 20 doubles, three triples, five home runs and 44 RBI in 122 games with Single-A Columbus of the South Atlantic League in 2008. He was also named to the South Atlantic League mid-season All-Star team. Loyola was originally signed by Pittsburgh as a non-drafted free agent on May 23, 2003. He played in the Pirates Minor League system from 2002-05 before being selected by Tampa Bay in the Triple-A phase of the Rule Five Draft on Dec. 8, 2005.



Link (http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20081205&content_id=3703580&vkey=pr_pit&fext=.jsp&c_id=pit)

Highcheese4U
12-05-2008, 09:52 PM
Pirates remove Davis, Chavez from 40-man roster
Friday, December 05, 2008
Dejan Kovacevic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Pirates today outrighted starter Jason Davis and catcher Raul Chavez to Class AAA Indianapolis, clearing two spots on what had been a full 40-man roster in advance of the Winter Meetings that begin Monday in Las Vegas.

That allows the team to add players at those meetings, including in the Rule 5 draft that is next Thursday.


Link (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08340/933049-100.stm)

Maz60
12-05-2008, 10:34 PM
2009 is meaningless, and those who try to make something out if it are missing the point.

TheRedMarauder
12-06-2008, 02:56 PM
Jason Michaels was expecting to re-sign with the Pirates this offseason but has yet to hear anything from the team.

"They told me time and time again how much interest they had in me," Michaels said Friday. "But so far this offseason, it's been ... nothing. I'm a little confused by it." The Bucs have a crowded outfield situation with Brandon Moss and Nate McLouth manning two spots and Nyjer Morgan, Andrew McCutchen, and possibly Steve Pearce vying for the last. Michaels would have better luck finding playing time with another club.

rotoworld

TheUltimateGM
12-07-2008, 03:17 AM
How about this idea:

Pirates give: Jack Wilson
Pirates get: Brandon Wood

Dodgers give: Ethier
Dodgers get: Jack Wilson/Bobby Wilson

Angels give: Wood/Bobby Wilson
Angels get: Ethier

I'm thinking that Brandon Wood might be a better option than Hu and Delwyn Young, since Wood can fill in at SS right away and provide power.

Highcheese4U
12-08-2008, 04:55 PM
How about this idea:

Pirates give: Jack Wilson
Pirates get: Brandon Wood

Dodgers give: Ethier
Dodgers get: Jack Wilson/Bobby Wilson

Angels give: Wood/Bobby Wilson
Angels get: Ethier

I'm thinking that Brandon Wood might be a better option than Hu and Delwyn Young, since Wood can fill in at SS right away and provide power.

Maybe Wood. Not Ethier, don't think he's going to get moved at all really.

The Hu/Young trade is more a likely scenario imo.

Highcheese4U
12-08-2008, 04:59 PM
Pirates Hot Stove: Meek might inherit job


It was a year ago this week that the Pirates claimed flame-throwing relief prospect Evan Meek in the Rule 5 draft, prompting him to fairly shout during an interview, "I can't wait to get to Pittsburgh!"

As it turns out, even after a tumultuous 2008 that included an abbreviated, abysmal major league debut, Meek might have been worth the wait.

"The kid has been throwing bullets all winter," Latin American scouting director Rene Gayo said. "And it's not just the velocity. He's pitching the daylights out of the ball. He's got it all going on."

Gayo has seen it first-hand. He also serves as assistant general manager for Mazatlan of the Mexican Pacific League, where the Pirates assigned Meek to play some winter ball, and he visited several times to witness a performance that included a 2.93 ERA, a .167 opponents' batting average, 14 strikeouts in 15 1/3 innings and zero hits in his final nine appearances before wrapping up Nov. 20.

There were eight walks, a sign that Meek's long-standing control issue has not been erased, but the dominance of his stuff -- regularly at 97 mph on the fastball -- more than overrode that.

"I thought his control was good enough," Gayo said. "He was pitching, man. He was doing what he wanted to with the ball."

General manager Neal Huntington sounds as satisfied with Meek's winter as with his dominant showing in the minors this past season -- 2.51 ERA, 51 strikeouts, 17 walks in 32 appearances for Class AAA Indianapolis and Class AA Altoona -- and made clear he will be in the major league bullpen mix next spring.

"Evan threw the ball well the remainder of season and again this winter in Mexico," Huntington said. "If he continues to have a productive offseason, shows quality stuff with control in spring training, he could very easily position himself to make our bullpen."

Buried treasure
Management also is raving about another prospect Shelby Ford-- .285 with four home runs for Class AA Altoona this past season -- to the extent that he openly is discussed as the second baseman of the future.

Under John Russell's new coaching alignment, first base coach Perry Hill, considered one of the game's best infield instructors, will handle the infield. Third base coach Tony Beasley, who did that this past season, will focus on baserunning. And bench coach Gary Varsho will handle the outfielders, a role that had been filled by former first base coach Lou Frazier.

Outfielder Chris Duffy's departure from Mazatlan in October -- after just three games -- was as mysterious as his career with the Pirates. One morning, he bought his own plane ticket and simply left, not informing anyone until after he was back in the U.S. He said he was having trouble with the food, but management seemed to have a hard time digesting that. Duffy now is a minor league free agent and will not be back.

Next frontier for the Pirates' on the international level is Taiwan. Gayo is flying there next week to examine the talent and begin the process of hiring a director for the region.

Gold Glove voting is not released publicly, but a final tally of the National League winners -- obtained by the Post-Gazette -- shows that no one received more votes from the managers and coaches than Nate McLouth's 41. The rest: Carlos Beltran (40), Brandon Phillips (39), Jimmy Rollins (38), Shane Victorino (36), David Wright (35), Adrian Gonzalez (33), Greg Maddux (31) and Yadier Molina (29).

Among bobbleheads in the works for next summer is a McLouth All-Star model, as well as one of Ryan Doumit, Paul Maholm and others.

How eager are the Pirates to sell tickets? Consider that there will be a special sale for individual games at PirateFest Jan. 23-25 -- yes, the opener, too -- rather than waiting for the standard first weekend in March.

Only 68 days until pitchers and catchers report.

Dejan Kovacevic can be reached at dkovacevic@post-gazette.com.
First published on December 7, 2008 at 12:00 am


Post (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08342/933372-63.stm)

Highcheese4U
12-09-2008, 10:52 PM
..I did think this was an interesting tidbit in the Post today!


Among the biggest names of the free agents -- in terms of stature -- is pitcher Pedro Martinez. He is 37 and coming off a string of injuries, but he has made clear he wants to pitch in 2009. The Pirates have not made an offer, but it does not sound as if they have ruled it out, either.