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Frank Costanza
10-23-2008, 04:38 PM
Does it require what boston did having 3 all stars

Does it require a mix of big men and guards that are your main peices?

Does it require stats like 20/10 20/5/5 from your respective main peices?

Does the coach play the biggest role?

Is it about keeping a core of players together ?

No poll as i think there will be a various amount of answers and variations to this question

Wilson
10-23-2008, 04:46 PM
Does it require what boston did having 3 all stars

Does it require a mix of big men and guards that are your main peices?

Does it require stats like 20/10 20/5/5 from your respective main peices?

Does the coach play the biggest role?

Is it about keeping a core of players together ?

No poll as i think there will be a various amount of answers and variations to this question

Defense, defense, defense.

We've seen that the teams that can consistently get stops are the teams celebrating in June. Look at everythime the Spurs have played the Suns in the play-offs.

Look at the '08 finals. Everyone was favouring the flashy Lakers, but in the end Boston's defense got the job done. It was the same story for us in '04 :mad:

legendkillerv2
10-23-2008, 06:41 PM
yep its all about the d, i think all you need is 2 superstars, good supporting cast, and defense, if you get a stop on the defensive end, it opens up the fast break, for easy buckets.

legendkillerv2
10-23-2008, 06:43 PM
i think you also have to have a good low postman, Lakers shaq spurs timmy detroit Wallace ect....

l GeArs l
10-23-2008, 06:58 PM
You need Stars in your Big man and Guard Postions.

JordansBulls
10-23-2008, 07:03 PM
Does it require what boston did having 3 all stars

Does it require a mix of big men and guards that are your main peices?

Does it require stats like 20/10 20/5/5 from your respective main peices?

Does the coach play the biggest role?

Is it about keeping a core of players together ?

No poll as i think there will be a various amount of answers and variations to this question


There are many factors that contribue to winning a championship. Here are some of the most important, and really, the 3 that should be judged in order to predict and evaluate champions. Every champion


1. Team Play (Chemistry and Coaching)
2. Defense
3. Your players and their roles


1. Superstars/Stars/Role Players (Talent)- Alot of talent alone doesn't win championsihps. It depends on what kind of players you have next to each other. 1st of all, Stars (Players like Odom, Lewis, and others that are at best just All-Stars and complement the Superstar). Stars are overrated. The way to win a championship isn't by acquiring perimeter stars, you win championships by having superstars and great role players. Why are stars overrated? Simply because they don't fit their role well.

1. They try to do too much sometimes because they want to be a superstar. What they would fit better is doing less than too much. And just doing their "role" perfect. But what star would want that?

Bottom Line: A star is only good, when they have a very set and defined role. A role that ONLY helps the team. A star that "almost" I guess you can say, is like a role player.

Also, Big Men are another key to winning championships. A big key


2. Defense- Championship teams are built through defense. Defense wins championships.


3. Team Play- This one is self-explanatory. Every team should play well together. Have good chemistry. And coaching really goes into this category as well. Coaching is very important once you get into the playoffs.


Lets look at the recent champions and see how they fit.

2008 Celtics - Built around 2 superstars in Garnett and Pierce and a very good 3rd player that was a superstar and can be a star at times. A great balance of inside and outside attack, but their biggest strength lays in their defense. They were #1 in defense all year and it was their star who brought that mentality to the team. A defensive coach that is underrated and a head coach that was as well. He just needed the players.


2007 Spurs - Built around 1 superstar, Tim Duncan. And he was a big man too. Now you can say in this season that Ginobili and Parker were stars as well. Parker is used just to distribute and score when needed, and Duncan is clearly above him. Same with Ginobili, just come up and provide a scoring weapon. They stay in their roles. Bowen also had similar function, stay at your role. Moving on, they were rated no.1 on defense that year. And have great chemistry with all the years playing together, and a great coach. A team you could tell was going to win the championship sooner or later.


2006 Heat- bult with 2 superstars. Shaq and Wade. Also had a great backup Center. And then solid role players. They fit my no.1 criteria very well. They also had some defense and were rated as the 9th best defensive team. Team play was their only real problem, and a had a struggling season because of that. But in the end were able to overcome it. And it took a great coach to do it. Heat covered all 3 aspects.


1999-2005 Spurs- Built around 1 superstar, Tim Duncan. And he was a big man too. Now you can say, were Ginobili and Parker very good role players or stars? Truth is, they don't try to be the superstar, they have a set role and they stay in their boundries. Parker is used just to distribute and score when needed, and Duncan is clearly above him. Same with Ginobili, just come up and provide a scoring weapon. They stay in their roles. Robinson and Bowen also had similar function, stay at your role. Moving on, they were rated no.1 on defense that year. And have great chemistry with all the years playing together, and a great coach. A team you could tell was going to win the championship sooner or later.


2004 Pistons- A suprising champion. But they covered a lot of my 3 points to winning a championship very well. 1st of all, all 5 players played their roles well. Billups was the PG, good defense, distrubuted ok, Rip was their scorer, Prince helped out on defense, Rasheed took stat hits and just played how their coach wanted too, and Ben Wallace did same, play defense. All 5 players had their role well defined to them. Then they were the best defensive team in the league after Rasheed join them. Add the fact that they had perfect chemistry and a great coach. They were destined to win a championship



2000-2002 Lakers- 2 Superstars and maybe a 3rd player in Glen Rice who was like a Ray Allen on the Celtics this year. Shaq was soo good that he was the Superstar of Superstars. He was also a Big Man. Once again, both of those help. They were a pretty good defensive team and had one hell of a coach. They were a Dynasty.


1991-1998 Bulls- 1st of all, they had the GOAT player. I have seen them all and Jordan was the greatest. Only player to dominate without a great center nor big man that could score in the post. Pippen complemented Jordan great. You could call him a superstar. But if you want to call him a star, he was a great star. He probably could do much more, but he stuck to his role very well. It was well defined. Help out Jordan in scoring and play defense. DEFENSE. Big Key to their success, they were a great defensive team. And they also had a great coach and chemistry to back it all up.


Now we can go on and talk about each NBA Champion and how well they fit, but we'll just stop there. And quickly talk about the rest.

Showtime Lakers- They had a superstar with good role players and stars that did a particular role. Coaching wise they were great, and had excellent chemistry and played well as a team. You might be saying, well what about offense vs. defense. Well they also had a great defensive stopper in Cooper, one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all-time, and he did a great job in ihs prime guarding Bird and really helping them pull out with some championships. Key part. Defense

Larry's Celtics- Superstar, with role players and stars that had a well defined role. DJ play some defense, and Johnson did, stopping Magic was usually his job. McHale and Parrish also fit in somewhere and got the job done. Dominating the paint, and playing more defense. Speaking of defense, that is one of the main reason's of the Celtic's success. Defense.

$KnicksAndKobe$
10-23-2008, 07:04 PM
You need all-stars (more then one)

Ask Phil Jackson, ask Michael Jordan, Ask Kobe and Shaq.

Fireworld
10-23-2008, 07:05 PM
It takes me!!

Lakersfan2483
10-23-2008, 07:14 PM
There are many factors that contribue to winning a championship. Here are some of the most important, and really, the 3 that should be judged in order to predict and evaluate champions. Every champion


1. Team Play (Chemistry and Coaching)
2. Defense
3. Your players and their roles


1. Superstars/Stars/Role Players (Talent)- Alot of talent alone doesn't win championsihps. It depends on what kind of players you have next to each other. 1st of all, Stars (Players like Odom, Lewis, and others that are at best just All-Stars and complement the Superstar). Stars are overrated. The way to win a championship isn't by acquiring perimeter stars, you win championships by having superstars and great role players. Why are stars overrated? Simply because they don't fit their role well.

1. They try to do too much sometimes because they want to be a superstar. What they would fit better is doing less than too much. And just doing their "role" perfect. But what star would want that?

Bottom Line: A star is only good, when they have a very set and defined role. A role that ONLY helps the team. A star that "almost" I guess you can say, is like a role player.

Also, Big Men are another key to winning championships. A big key


2. Defense- Championship teams are built through defense. Defense wins championships.


3. Team Play- This one is self-explanatory. Every team should play well together. Have good chemistry. And coaching really goes into this category as well. Coaching is very important once you get into the playoffs.


Lets look at the recent champions and see how they fit.

2008 Celtics - Built around 2 superstars in Garnett and Pierce and a very good 3rd player that was a superstar and can be a star at times. A great balance of inside and outside attack, but their biggest strength lays in their defense. They were #1 in defense all year and it was their star who brought that mentality to the team. A defensive coach that is underrated and a head coach that was as well. He just needed the players.


2007 Spurs - Built around 1 superstar, Tim Duncan. And he was a big man too. Now you can say in this season that Ginobili and Parker were stars as well. Parker is used just to distribute and score when needed, and Duncan is clearly above him. Same with Ginobili, just come up and provide a scoring weapon. They stay in their roles. Bowen also had similar function, stay at your role. Moving on, they were rated no.1 on defense that year. And have great chemistry with all the years playing together, and a great coach. A team you could tell was going to win the championship sooner or later.


2006 Heat- bult with 2 superstars. Shaq and Wade. Also had a great backup Center. And then solid role players. They fit my no.1 criteria very well. They also had some defense and were rated as the 9th best defensive team. Team play was their only real problem, and a had a struggling season because of that. But in the end were able to overcome it. And it took a great coach to do it. Heat covered all 3 aspects.


1999-2005 Spurs- Built around 1 superstar, Tim Duncan. And he was a big man too. Now you can say, were Ginobili and Parker very good role players or stars? Truth is, they don't try to be the superstar, they have a set role and they stay in their boundries. Parker is used just to distribute and score when needed, and Duncan is clearly above him. Same with Ginobili, just come up and provide a scoring weapon. They stay in their roles. Robinson and Bowen also had similar function, stay at your role. Moving on, they were rated no.1 on defense that year. And have great chemistry with all the years playing together, and a great coach. A team you could tell was going to win the championship sooner or later.


2004 Pistons- A suprising champion. But they covered a lot of my 3 points to winning a championship very well. 1st of all, all 5 players played their roles well. Billups was the PG, good defense, distrubuted ok, Rip was their scorer, Prince helped out on defense, Rasheed took stat hits and just played how their coach wanted too, and Ben Wallace did same, play defense. All 5 players had their role well defined to them. Then they were the best defensive team in the league after Rasheed join them. Add the fact that they had perfect chemistry and a great coach. They were destined to win a championship



2000-2002 Lakers- 2 Superstars and maybe a 3rd player in Glen Rice who was like a Ray Allen on the Celtics this year. Shaq was soo good that he was the Superstar of Superstars. He was also a Big Man. Once again, both of those help. They were a pretty good defensive team and had one hell of a coach. They were a Dynasty.


1991-1998 Bulls- 1st of all, they had the GOAT player. I have seen them all and Jordan was the greatest. Only player to dominate without a great center nor big man that could score in the post. Pippen complemented Jordan great. You could call him a superstar. But if you want to call him a star, he was a great star. He probably could do much more, but he stuck to his role very well. It was well defined. Help out Jordan in scoring and play defense. DEFENSE. Big Key to their success, they were a great defensive team. And they also had a great coach and chemistry to back it all up.


Now we can go on and talk about each NBA Champion and how well they fit, but we'll just stop there. And quickly talk about the rest.

Showtime Lakers- They had a superstar with good role players and stars that did a particular role. Coaching wise they were great, and had excellent chemistry and played well as a team. You might be saying, well what about offense vs. defense. Well they also had a great defensive stopper in Cooper, one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all-time, and he did a great job in ihs prime guarding Bird and really helping them pull out with some championships. Key part. Defense

Larry's Celtics- Superstar, with role players and stars that had a well defined role. DJ play some defense, and Johnson did, stopping Magic was usually his job. McHale and Parrish also fit in somewhere and got the job done. Dominating the paint, and playing more defense. Speaking of defense, that is one of the main reason's of the Celtic's success. Defense.

I agree with your main pts. Being a championship team is very difficult, you must have great chemistry, superstar players, good role players, great coaching, good team defense, and most importantly your team must be "mentally tough" enough to withstand the difficulties of a season. The key is everyone buying into one common goal and executing better than the rest. It also helps to have great talent.

Kaptain Kanada
10-23-2008, 07:32 PM
You need like a really good team.... and stuff.

kobe24>jordan23
10-23-2008, 07:37 PM
you need kobe,lamar,bynum,and gasol

ejdacanay
10-23-2008, 07:38 PM
Defense

1 Premier Center (or PF)
A Solid PG

l GeArs l
10-23-2008, 07:45 PM
It takes me!!

Yet Lakers lost. :rolleyes:

Frank Costanza
10-24-2008, 12:55 PM
jordans bulls summed it up better than i could have ever expected great work jordan, our rox are gonna use those points and win this yr

l GeArs l
10-24-2008, 12:58 PM
Besides having Two really good Players, you need Good role players as well.

LAKERS 24/7
10-24-2008, 05:08 PM
great fans

23LBJCleBrowns
10-24-2008, 05:21 PM
It takes LeBron.

Frank Costanza
10-24-2008, 05:26 PM
It takes LeBron. i wish you beat the spurs in 07 how sweet it woulda been , they already won enough now gotta through bos

LAKERS 24/7
10-24-2008, 05:31 PM
It takes LeBron.

Hasn't worked so far has it now?

23LBJCleBrowns
10-24-2008, 05:33 PM
Lol, fine it takes LeBron James IN HIS PRIME (which hasnt happened yet), Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Daniel Gibson, and MO WILLIAMS! This year i think we will win it all.