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Shieldsz
10-16-2008, 09:01 PM
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/10/16/nba-top-50-lebron-james-no-1/?icid=100214839x1211503795x1200709480

Terrible!

WHY THE **** is Gilbert Arenas, Pau Gasol ahead of Allen Iverson???!??! Why is Lebron number 1 ahead of KOBE!

Why is Shane Battier ahead of Andre Iguodala?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Why is DWight Howard number 9?!??

Why is Jose Calderon in the top 30's? Why is COREY MAGGETTE in 30's?

oshea225
10-16-2008, 09:08 PM
lebron is and should be number 1. dwight at 9 is understandable considering whos in front of him, but he should probably be higher. andre iguodala should be higher than 49.

anyway, who cares about aol's opinion on the nba? haha

JordansBulls
10-16-2008, 09:09 PM
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/10/16/nba-top-50-lebron-james-no-1/?icid=100214839x1211503795x1200709480

Terrible!

WHY THE **** is Gilbert Arenas, Pau Gasol ahead of Allen Iverson???!??! Why is Lebron number 1 ahead of KOBE!

Why is Shane Battier ahead of Andre Iguodala?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Why is DWight Howard number 9?!??

Why is Jose Calderon in the top 30's? Why is COREY MAGGETTE in 30's?


Lebron led the lead in Scoring as well as EFF and PER. And he has the best stats which is indicated by his PER.

sacgiants1213
10-16-2008, 09:12 PM
kmart finally gets some respect (#23), it's sad that aol is the site that gives him it though

23LBJCleBrowns
10-16-2008, 09:19 PM
LeBron being ranked number one is not a big deal at all. IMO he is better.

JOSETHEALLSTAR
10-16-2008, 09:21 PM
the list sucks

23LBJCleBrowns
10-16-2008, 09:21 PM
D-Will and IGGY should be a lot higher. Bynum is not a top 50 player, he is so overrated.

23LBJCleBrowns
10-16-2008, 09:22 PM
Elton Brand goes to the 76ers, that makes him move from 50th to 14th. WOW! Where is Ray Allen? Why is TJ ford so high?

23LBJCleBrowns
10-16-2008, 09:23 PM
Kobe number 3, I agree totally.

ShaunRiching9
10-16-2008, 09:29 PM
worst list ever. biedrins should not be on that list

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 09:29 PM
I have a huge problem about where the players are. I think Deron Williams was 20th? WTF behind Gasol seriously? Gasol 19th horribley rated. Bynum 24th? No way he is better then David West at their respected positions.Artest is a top 30 player IMO. Horrible ratings. But Chris Paul number 2 is good, but its funny how they say Kobe is the perfect player but he is third.

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 09:32 PM
kmart finally gets some respect (#23), it's sad that aol is the site that gives him it though

lol at least he got it, and Lebron is better then Kobe, Kobe isn't that great of a defender. and no way is he a perfect player. TJ Ford WTF?

BullsFan_1
10-16-2008, 09:37 PM
Deron Williams 20th?

That is by far the worst one...the rest isnt too bad...not great though.

...but why the hell is Joe Johnson not in the top 50?

TannerOwnsDevin
10-16-2008, 09:40 PM
absolutely laughable list


CP3 #3?


Deron # 20?


Deron and Cp3 should'nt be ranked that far. If Cp3 is # 3, Deron should be a few slots away from him.

talk about being out of touch with reality.




i can agree that lebron is just a better player than kobe but no way kobe is # 3 under chris paul.

oshea225
10-16-2008, 09:47 PM
Lebron led the lead in Scoring as well as EFF and PER. And he has the best stats which is indicated by his PER.

not to mention hes only the 3rd player in history to average 30+ points, 7+ rebounds, 7+ assists for a season. the other two? couple of scrubs. michael jordan, oscar robertson

fhatmanz
10-16-2008, 09:53 PM
Lebron is better then Kobe, Kobe isn't that great of a defender. and no way is he a perfect player. TJ Ford WTF?

Right... That's why Kobe is 1st all-defense every year....I think Lebron is without doubt either number 1 or 2, depends on who is ranking....


But CP3 over Kobe? Are we serious?

kobe24>jordan23
10-16-2008, 09:55 PM
kobe should be 1st, chris paul should be second, and lbj should be third

ARMIN12NBA
10-16-2008, 09:59 PM
LOL @ Lebron being #1. People are too enamored with stats and not play on the court. When Lebron loses his athleticism (could come quicker--the guy plays 40+ MPG every year), he will not be a very good player. Kobe is already losing his athleticism and he is still at the top of his game. Why? Kobe has all-around skills. He can post-up, run the triangle, play defense, shoot from outside, shoot from mid-range, etc. Lebron James relies on his athleticism to the extreme levels. He drives and drives and drives because of his superior athletic ability compared to other players. Lets see when he can't rely on his athleticism anymore. It won't be pretty.

tripleplay2007
10-16-2008, 10:01 PM
Joe Johnson isn't even on the list...

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 10:04 PM
Right... That's why Kobe is 1st all-defense every year....I think Lebron is without doubt either number 1 or 2, depends on who is ranking....


But CP3 over Kobe? Are we serious?

Im serious about that, kinda cuz i hate Kobe and Cp3 is my fav player but if you started a franchise now who would u choose...

ARMIN12NBA
10-16-2008, 10:09 PM
Im serious about that, kinda cuz i hate Kobe and Cp3 is my fav player but if you started a franchise now who would u choose...

Chris Paul since he is younger. If they were the same age then Kobe Bryant in a heartbeat.

Fireworld
10-16-2008, 10:10 PM
cp3 better then kb24?! haha...

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 10:10 PM
well they arent the same age. but all you dam fake @$$ lakers fans should thank us for drafting him and trading him to u guys

TannerOwnsDevin
10-16-2008, 10:11 PM
Im serious about that, kinda cuz i hate Kobe and Cp3 is my fav player but if you started a franchise now who would u choose...

freaking ridicuouls question. of course cp3 because of age.



better question.



if you want to win a championship next season, who do you pick? cp3 or kobe?

TannerOwnsDevin
10-16-2008, 10:12 PM
i expect deron to close that gap 2-3 yrs from now. i think deron is a top 8 player.

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 10:14 PM
cp3.... but it depends on ur team
kobe wouldnt fit on the hornets cause he dont make people bettrer like paul,
paul may fit on the lakers but who would play sg without kobe there sasha?

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 10:14 PM
i expect deron to close that gap 2-3 yrs from now. i think deron is a top 8 player.

deron is the most underrated person on this list by far

LAKESHOW..
10-16-2008, 10:15 PM
hahahaha list sucks kobe is way better than cp3 and lebron hahaah cant believe this

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 10:15 PM
you guys dont know how bad i hate Kobe, i cant stand him , i cant wait until he retires, i've always hated him with a passion i dont like his attitude, i dont like lebrons either

Shieldsz
10-16-2008, 10:17 PM
Okay?
And of course you would take Chris Paul, but if you wanted to WIN you would take Kobe. Being biased doesn't win championships.... and obviously that is what you are being.

TannerOwnsDevin
10-16-2008, 10:17 PM
yo vinny we in this together. i dont like kobe but respect his mad game.



i think cp3 is better than lebron.

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 10:20 PM
i respect kobes game like ****, he is crazy on the court but when cp3 talks after an interview he talks about his team i dont think kobe does unless they lose. Lebron had to take the shots cuz the rest of his team weren't good. Lebron and Kobe are not as good as cp3 is at making their players better

bogdanrom
10-16-2008, 10:21 PM
not to mention hes only the 3rd player in history to average 30+ points, 7+ rebounds, 7+ assists for a season. the other two? couple of scrubs. michael jordan, oscar robertson

Who? :D

The list is pretty bad but it's AOL. I wouldn't expect too much from them.

TannerOwnsDevin
10-16-2008, 10:24 PM
i respect kobes game like ****, he is crazy on the court but when cp3 talks after an interview he talks about his team i dont think kobe does unless they lose. Lebron had to take the shots cuz the rest of his team weren't good. Lebron and Kobe are not as good as cp3 is at making their players better

agree. kobe is selfish like no other. cp3 is all about the team.

dre1990
10-16-2008, 10:27 PM
yea, that lisyt does suck, but even though Kobe is the best player in then nba IMO, i could see why they would say LBJ

kvrnm
10-16-2008, 10:28 PM
terrible list

Jonathan2323
10-16-2008, 10:37 PM
Lebron should be number 1
Kobe-2a
Dwayne-2b

Tmac,lt,berkman
10-16-2008, 10:38 PM
tMAC SHOULD BE IN THE TOP FIFTEEN AT LEAST OR MAYBE IN THE TOP TEN WHERE IS JOE JOHNSON.

Jonathan2323
10-16-2008, 10:38 PM
yo vinny we in this together. i dont like kobe but respect his mad game.



i think cp3 is better than lebron.

cp3 is not better than lebron. no way!

Big Quett
10-16-2008, 10:39 PM
Iverson at 28? There are not 27 people in the NBA i would take in front of IVO.

And D Will at 20 there are definitely not 19 people i would take in front of him.

BkOriginalOne
10-16-2008, 10:54 PM
No Ray allen. No rip hamilton.
Bosh is too high. caron butler is not better than Mcgrady.

horrible list

BigEric
10-16-2008, 10:57 PM
Is that really JJ at 25?

LAKERS 24/7
10-16-2008, 11:27 PM
lol at least he got it, and Lebron is better then Kobe, Kobe isn't that great of a defender. and no way is he a perfect player. TJ Ford WTF?

Do you hear yourself man? Your hate is overwhelming

Bynum 24th :D

JIDsanity
10-16-2008, 11:31 PM
List is a joke

Vinny642
10-16-2008, 11:44 PM
Is that really JJ at 25?

JJ?? Tony Parker is 25th lol

zambo4president
10-16-2008, 11:44 PM
thats a ****** list

AIMelo=KillaDUO
10-16-2008, 11:50 PM
AI was too low.

Artest was too low.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
10-16-2008, 11:51 PM
few other stupid ones too

Beno7500
10-17-2008, 12:36 AM
Arenas = most overrated

Vinny642
10-17-2008, 12:37 AM
^^ i wonder y u say that

$ NyC $
10-17-2008, 12:46 AM
I've been following these ranking 4 a while. It's also about this coming year. They aren't all that bad. I do disagree with some, and the fact that Joe Johnson isn't even ranked is dumb.

iluvsports2much
10-17-2008, 01:02 AM
lol at least he got it, and Lebron is better then Kobe, Kobe isn't that great of a defender. and no way is he a perfect player. TJ Ford WTF?

kobe isnt that good of a defender?wtf.....um have you ever seen kobe bryant play basketball?

Lakersfan2483
10-17-2008, 01:12 AM
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/10/16/nba-top-50-lebron-james-no-1/?icid=100214839x1211503795x1200709480

Terrible!

WHY THE **** is Gilbert Arenas, Pau Gasol ahead of Allen Iverson???!??! Why is Lebron number 1 ahead of KOBE!

Why is Shane Battier ahead of Andre Iguodala?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Why is DWight Howard number 9?!??

Why is Jose Calderon in the top 30's? Why is COREY MAGGETTE in 30's?

I don't put much stock in those lists, we all know Kobe is no. 1. I disagree with most of the list.

Lakersfan2483
10-17-2008, 01:16 AM
LOL @ Lebron being #1. People are too enamored with stats and not play on the court. When Lebron loses his athleticism (could come quicker--the guy plays 40+ MPG every year), he will not be a very good player. Kobe is already losing his athleticism and he is still at the top of his game. Why? Kobe has all-around skills. He can post-up, run the triangle, play defense, shoot from outside, shoot from mid-range, etc. Lebron James relies on his athleticism to the extreme levels. He drives and drives and drives because of his superior athletic ability compared to other players. Lets see when he can't rely on his athleticism anymore. It won't be pretty.

Good analysis. Lebron is a terrific player but needs to polish his game. He does "NOT" have a consistent jumper and does not have a solid post up game or a go to move. He definitely needs to work on those aspects of his game. I will give him some credit, his defense has improved tremendously. He used to be a terrible defender and now he has worked on that aspect of his game.

Lakersfan2483
10-17-2008, 01:31 AM
Top players

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. KG
5. D. Wade
6. CP3
7. D. Howard
8. Amare
9. Yao
10. D. Williams

Fayzon10
10-17-2008, 01:43 AM
Lebron led the lead in Scoring as well as EFF and PER. And he has the best stats which is indicated by his PER. So how many points you score makes you the best all around player in the game??

TheHoopsProphet
10-17-2008, 02:01 AM
I think its funny how most homer laker fans think kobe is the GOAT, yet hes struggling just being no.1 with the players already playing. you all know that even if kobes no.1 right now, lebron will take that spot sooner than later. And when you think about it, kobe has been claimed as the best player in the league for only about 3-4 seasons of his 12 year career.

DCB/LAL
10-17-2008, 02:09 AM
im tired of everyone saying kobe doesnt make his players better umm...smush parker kwame brown just to name a couple and its funny how everyone hates on kobe two years ago he led the league in scoring and everyone called him a ball hog this year he leads his team to the finals wins the MVP and yet people say lebrons better because of his stats and because he led the league in scoring?? kinda hypacriitical isn't it?? Remember people this the kobe who almost singal handly beat the phenoix suns three years ago and and carried his team on his back for two years got them into the playoffs in the WESTERN conf he was also the player team USA turned to in championship game in the olympics and he delivered a team that also had cp3 and lebrron as a matter of fact i think all of which made this list and their is a reason they turned to kobe in that game a game which was really really important to all the player on TEAM USA BASKETBALL!!

DreamShaker
10-17-2008, 02:12 AM
Top players

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. KG
5. D. Wade
6. CP3
7. D. Howard
8. Amare
9. Yao
10. D. Williams

I would switch it around a little and replace Amare with Dirk but I like your list....

DreamShaker
10-17-2008, 02:13 AM
And even the Lakeriest of Laker fans must agree Bynum as a top 25 player is completely ridiculous.....

THE MTL
10-17-2008, 02:14 AM
Allen Iverson 28 is HORRIBLE! He is behind freaking Bynum and Gasol. Why is Gasol so high? And why is Shane Battier and TJ FOrd so high. Who put Calderon so high? Wow everything is wrong with the list from 10 and down.

The Top 10 is pretty good though really good though.

soriano2008WS
10-17-2008, 02:28 AM
Deron is top 15 no doubt about it
Top 10 in my opinon but that is debatable.

AI at 28 is just terrible and no Joe Johnson well I'd like to know who did these ratings.

I guess Stephon Marbury just narrowly missed number 50

UofA
10-17-2008, 02:39 AM
As I was going down this list I was trying to keep track of the things that I wanted to comment on, but I found so many things wrong with it that it's not even worth the effort to try to get to all of them.

Worst ones: Deron Williams at 20? What?!?:speechless: Artest at 43?:mad:

The thread title is right: WORST RANKINGS EVER

Big Quett
10-17-2008, 02:57 AM
im tired of everyone saying kobe doesnt make his players better umm...smush parker kwame brown just to name a couple and its funny how everyone hates on kobe two years ago he led the league in scoring and everyone called him a ball hog this year he leads his team to the finals wins the MVP and yet people say lebrons better because of his stats and because he led the league in scoring?? kinda hypacriitical isn't it?? Remember people this the kobe who almost singal handly beat the phenoix suns three years ago and and carried his team on his back for two years got them into the playoffs in the WESTERN conf he was also the player team USA turned to in championship game in the olympics and he delivered a team that also had cp3 and lebrron as a matter of fact i think all of which made this list and their is a reason they turned to kobe in that game a game which was really really important to all the player on TEAM USA BASKETBALL!!

In trying to see who is the top player in the league it is really toss up. An agruement can be made for only a selected few. People are always going to stick to and defend there guy. They going to exaggerate the things he does well and ignore the things he doesnt. So its all opinion.

I really dont think you can judge until they all retire imo


But Kobe had one good game for team USA. In the beginning they were winning despite him. He was like 1 for 13 in 3's his first 3 or 4 games. Im a big LeBron and CP3 fan but if you Ask anybody who actually watched the games and they will tell you D Wade was the best player in the whole Tournament.

Blue Tiger
10-17-2008, 02:58 AM
The AOL ranks are almost fair but they just need to switch Howard and Dirk around.

DCB/LAL
10-17-2008, 05:28 PM
In trying to see who is the top player in the league it is really toss up. An agruement can be made for only a selected few. People are always going to stick to and defend there guy. They going to exaggerate the things he does well and ignore the things he doesnt. So its all opinion.

I really dont think you can judge until they all retire imo


But Kobe had one good game for team USA. In the beginning they were winning despite him. He was like 1 for 13 in 3's his first 3 or 4 games. Im a big LeBron and CP3 fan but if you Ask anybody who actually watched the games and they will tell you D Wade was the best player in the whole Tournament.

FYI kobe only scored when he had to and when it mattered most is when he delivered lets not forget he was also guarding the other teams best player which he always does and you cant say that about many players he can score whenever he want so if its points that makes him the best player today then i can say well he scored 81 in a game! If its defese you want well he always guards the other teams best player if its hem leading his team well he lead them all the way to the finals what other arguments is their??

_Supreme_
10-17-2008, 05:40 PM
Right... That's why Kobe is 1st all-defense every year....I think Lebron is without doubt either number 1 or 2, depends on who is ranking....


But CP3 over Kobe? Are we serious?

Very serious.

Kobe's inclusion in recent All-Defensive lists is one of the biased elements of these awards. They had to give him something when everything else wasn't working out because his name is Kobe Bryant and they wanted to give him something. That's just the way these NBA awards work.
Anyone who has seen him defend in recent years could see his defense isn't special any more (and don't give me the international play when the opponents are almost always scrubs). I've seen too many Laker fans complain in game threads during game about this also.

CP3 should have been last year's MVP, so yeah, he deserves #2 over the fake, politically chosen MVP.

But all this stuff really means nothing people, seriously. Lists here lists there, lists everywhere. Who friggin' cares......

_Supreme_
10-17-2008, 05:48 PM
he always guards the other teams best player

That's not true.

He doesn't guard the opponent's bigs or most point guards, and he shouldn't because those matchups don't work out.

_Supreme_
10-17-2008, 05:50 PM
Anyway, I've seen enough about Kobe and his supposed greatness and leadership already again to last me another 6 months or so, so have fun kids!

:D

BALLER71
10-17-2008, 06:09 PM
T.J Ford ahead of Redd? Battier ahead of Redd?
Andrew Bynum is on this list?
CP3 ahead of Kobe. LOL.
Whoever made this, kill yourself.

BALLER71
10-17-2008, 06:11 PM
Very serious.

Kobe's inclusion in recent All-Defensive lists is one of the biased elements of these awards. They had to give him something when everything else wasn't working out because his name is Kobe Bryant and they wanted to give him something. That's just the way these NBA awards work.
Anyone who has seen him defend in recent years could see his defense isn't special any more (and don't give me the international play when the opponents are almost always scrubs). I've seen too many Laker fans complain in game threads during game about this also.

CP3 should have been last year's MVP, so yeah, he deserves #2 over the fake, politically chosen MVP.

But all this stuff really means nothing people, seriously. Lists here lists there, lists everywhere. Who friggin' cares......

I'm going to have to disagree. Paul has great talent around him, a low post scorer (West), a low post defender (Chandler), a shooter (Peja), and a guy who can do a little of everything.
and Paul's defense isn't impressive, he's a gambler.

IversonIsKrazy
10-17-2008, 06:23 PM
pau gasol AND BUSTER KNEE ARENAS AHEAD OF AI! THIS LIST IN ABSOLUTLEY DUMB!

fhatmanz
10-17-2008, 07:10 PM
Very serious.

Kobe's inclusion in recent All-Defensive lists is one of the biased elements of these awards. They had to give him something when everything else wasn't working out because his name is Kobe Bryant and they wanted to give him something. That's just the way these NBA awards work.
Anyone who has seen him defend in recent years could see his defense isn't special any more (and don't give me the international play when the opponents are almost always scrubs). I've seen too many Laker fans complain in game threads during game about this also.

CP3 should have been last year's MVP, so yeah, he deserves #2 over the fake, politically chosen MVP.

But all this stuff really means nothing people, seriously. Lists here lists there, lists everywhere. Who friggin' cares......


I can understand Kobe's defense declined in recent years... But its not because he "cannot" defend... Its because he has to score so many points (2-time leading scorer) that the energy spent on offense was taking away from his defense... And don't give you international players??? UM... Barbosa on Brazil was completely shut down by Kobe... Barbosa is probably the fastest player in the NBA... yet I think he had like 4 points when Brazil played USA....

MVP:
I love prior to Kobe being MVP... the standards to being MVP was leading your team to the best record... and Kobe being the best scorer in the game would be criticized on how he only cares about his personal stats and not about the team....He took 6-7 less shots per game last year and led the team in assists.... The Lakers had injuries to Bynum and others and also added Gasol in the 2nd half of the season.... and Kobe and his squad still won the West both in the regular season and even in the playoffs (I know playoffs don't matter for MVP)...

How is it that Chris Paul should've been MVP hands down?

If the Hornets won the west (which they could've but were not able to beat the lakers towards the end of the season)...

Than Chris Paul should've been MVP....

On Lebron:
As great of a season lebron had... If Kobe is not MVP when averaging 35 points per game... than Lebron is not MVP either with his team not even winning 50 games in the East...

Top 5 Players in the League:
1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. CP3
5. Wade

LAKERS 24/7
10-17-2008, 07:17 PM
Very serious.

Kobe's inclusion in recent All-Defensive lists is one of the biased elements of these awards. They had to give him something when everything else wasn't working out because his name is Kobe Bryant and they wanted to give him something. That's just the way these NBA awards work.
Anyone who has seen him defend in recent years could see his defense isn't special any more (and don't give me the international play when the opponents are almost always scrubs). I've seen too many Laker fans complain in game threads during game about this also.

CP3 should have been last year's MVP, so yeah, he deserves #2 over the fake, politically chosen MVP.

But all this stuff really means nothing people, seriously. Lists here lists there, lists everywhere. Who friggin' cares......

That obviously isn't you, because Kobe's D was excellent at the beginning of the year. The first few months of the season he was playing DPOY type defense, but I'll admit it wasn't the same later in the year (although still above average).

Asked about Kobe's defense this year, Los Angeles coach Phil Jackson said, "He's working real hard at it. Kobe is giving a real good effort this year, and last year, at times, I thought he was putting more effort into the offense than in the defense."

This coming from the man who previously stated that Kobe made the all-defensive teams based on reputation.

Vinny642
10-17-2008, 07:18 PM
I can understand Kobe's defense declined in recent years... But its not because he "cannot" defend... Its because he has to score so many points (2-time leading scorer) that the energy spent on offense was taking away from his defense... And don't give you international players??? UM... Barbosa on Brazil was completely shut down by Kobe... Barbosa is probably the fastest player in the NBA... yet I think he had like 4 points when Brazil played USA....

MVP:
I love prior to Kobe being MVP... the standards to being MVP was leading your team to the best record... and Kobe being the best scorer in the game would be criticized on how he only cares about his personal stats and not about the team....He took 6-7 less shots per game last year and led the team in assists.... The Lakers had injuries to Bynum and others and also added Gasol in the 2nd half of the season.... and Kobe and his squad still won the West both in the regular season and even in the playoffs (I know playoffs don't matter for MVP)...

How is it that Chris Paul should've been MVP hands down?

If the Hornets won the west (which they could've but were not able to beat the lakers towards the end of the season)...

Than Chris Paul should've been MVP....

On Lebron:
As great of a season lebron had... If Kobe is not MVP when averaging 35 points per game... than Lebron is not MVP either with his team not even winning 50 games in the East...

Top 5 Players in the League:
1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. CP3
5. Wade

wtf hornets split the season 2-2 with lakers.....

Vidball
10-17-2008, 07:35 PM
Kobe's inclusion in recent All-Defensive lists is one of the biased elements of these awards. They had to give him something when everything else wasn't working out because his name is Kobe Bryant and they wanted to give him something. That's just the way these NBA awards work.

You have no clue how the NBA awards work then...coaches vote on the All-Defensive teams. The coaches that have to worry about Kobe locking up their best player in the 4th quarters. If the media voted, I'm sure LeBron would be All-Defensive as well, but since the coaches vote, LeBron doesn't even sniff around making an All-Defensive team. Athletically, LeBron is the best in the game. All-around play on both sides of the court, no way.

amare#1
10-17-2008, 07:37 PM
I don't want to get into the whole LeBron vs. Kobe argument. All I've got to say is that Calderon does deserve to be in the top 30.

KnicksorBust
10-17-2008, 08:33 PM
Overrated: LeBron's "lack" of defense. He is a playmaker and I've seen him LOCK DOWN god himself the Black Mamba.

ARMIN12NBA
10-17-2008, 08:40 PM
Very serious.

Kobe's inclusion in recent All-Defensive lists is one of the biased elements of these awards. They had to give him something when everything else wasn't working out because his name is Kobe Bryant and they wanted to give him something. That's just the way these NBA awards work.
Anyone who has seen him defend in recent years could see his defense isn't special any more (and don't give me the international play when the opponents are almost always scrubs). I've seen too many Laker fans complain in game threads during game about this also.

CP3 should have been last year's MVP, so yeah, he deserves #2 over the fake, politically chosen MVP.

But all this stuff really means nothing people, seriously. Lists here lists there, lists everywhere. Who friggin' cares......

Who is they? You are probably referring to the media. Well, you are very wrong. The coaches vote for that award. The coaches don't have to give Kobe anything. Even Coach Pop said he was the best perimeter player in the NBA that also had supreme offensive duties (unlike Bowen or Battier who simply play defense).

ARMIN12NBA
10-17-2008, 08:41 PM
wtf hornets split the season 2-2 with lakers.....

The Hornets also lost to the Lakers in the last week of the season. Arguably the most important regular season game for most teams. CP3 stunk the place up while Kobe played great. Not to mention the season-long MVP performances Kobe was putting up as well as the best and most efficient play against "good" teams according to 82games.com.

ARMIN12NBA
10-17-2008, 08:43 PM
Overrated: LeBron's "lack" of defense. He is a playmaker and I've seen him LOCK DOWN god himself the Black Mamba.

Lebron never guards Kobe when the Cavs play against the Lakers. Usually Mike Brown would have a two-guard on Kobe with Lebron playing help defense. We all know Bryant would dominate Lebron if Lebron was defending him. Lebron is one of the worst defensive all-star players.

cmellofan15
10-17-2008, 08:44 PM
BTW CP3 gets owned by D-Will everytime they play. Does that make him 2nd best player in the league?

Kobe shouldn't be considered 2nd let alone 3rd no matter how much I dislike him.

WickedBadMan
10-18-2008, 03:00 AM
AOL became irrelevant when 56k went the way of the do-do bird. I hate Kobe but at this point in time he is #1, if James stops shooting 3s maybe we can talk.

$KnicksAndKobe$
10-18-2008, 11:02 AM
people like lebrons dunks

DCB/LAL
10-18-2008, 11:25 AM
wtf hornets split the season 2-2 with lakers.....

yeah but they lost the one that mattered most of those four games

DQL
10-18-2008, 01:02 PM
Ginobili at #12 is too high. I know he's a very efficient player but #12... wow