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addon2008
10-13-2008, 07:28 PM
Trade For J.J. Hardy From The Brewers, They Need A Closer And Major League Ready Catcher. They Want Starting Pitching For Fielder So That's Out, What Do You Think?

bshone
10-13-2008, 08:20 PM
I assume you suggest that we trade Hernandez & Sherrill in return for Hardy? If so, I'm definitely interested. Here's why:

1. Hernandez is headed into the final year of his four-year, $28 million contract. Although he has a club option for 2010, I hope that Wieters has taken over the starting role by then. So by trading Hernandez, we save $7 million next year. I'm sure we can pick up an interim catcher until Wieters is ready (which realistically is approaching rapidly).

2. Sherrill, though outstanding for us last year, wasn't even the marquee player in the trade we made that brought him to Baltimore. He's certainly a competitor, but with Chris Ray and Danys Baez coming back, I'm okay with risking some bullpen ERA for an everyday SS. In other words, if there weren't two bullpen pitchers coming back from injury, I wouldn't be as accepting of this trade proposal.

3. Hardy is only 26 or 27 years old. He typically hits over .270 with some power. We could get him while he's hitting in his prime. This would solidify our middle infield (that is, until we lose Roberts).

4. Speaking of Roberts - if he is traded away, our middle infield becomes embarrassing, making this trade for Hardy even more understandable.

In a way, we could basically say that we've given up Bedard and one year of Hernandez behind the plate to get Adam Jones and JJ Hardy. I know that's a weird way to put it, and certainly a hypothetical arguement, but if Sherrill is shipped within a year of being in Baltimore, it's definitely one way to think about it.


Now the question is - how realistic is this trade from the perspective of the Brewers? Who would play SS for them? Are they unloading/rebuilding? If so, do they want Hernandez? Sherrill isn't that young either. I'd like to hear a Brew Crew fans' opinion on this.

brewersfan729
10-13-2008, 08:29 PM
We would want young starting pitching and young starting pitching only for Hardy. Hernandez and Sherrill wouldn't come close.

We also don't need major league catching. We have Kendall for another year and a 22 year old catcher who hit .360/.415/.559/.974 in AA this year who will be in AAA next year and another catcher who will be in AA next year who hit .301/.377/.495/.872 between A and A+ this year.

bigity b
10-13-2008, 08:53 PM
Trade For J.J. Hardy From The Brewers, They Need A Closer And Major League Ready Catcher. They Want Starting Pitching For Fielder So That's Out, What Do You Think?

I would do it in a heartbeat! Weiters will be the starting catcher out of camp next year. If he is not, it will be a Longoria situation where he comes up a month into the season (due to salary and season rules) and then starts for the rest of the year. As another poster mentioned, we have Baez and Ray at the back of our bullpen next year so Sherill's job, if he stays, will become a R specialist (or maybe a set-up man in baez flops).

Hardy and Roberts would be a nice infield combo (and would help us re-sign roberts long term...)

addon2008
10-13-2008, 09:10 PM
This Would Be The Only Trade We Would Have To Make. Quiroz And Weiters Would Be Allsome. Spend Rest Of The Money On Pitching. How About That. And Also I Read Brewers Have A Young Prospect That WILL Be Taking Over ss Next Year. The Thread Also Say;s If Hardy Stay;s He Will Have To Switch To 3rd Which He Won't Want To Do.

addon2008
10-13-2008, 09:20 PM
Rosenthal says Brewers shortstop J.J. Hardy knows he is likely to be traded to make room for prospect Alcides Escobar. It'd be a reasonable move, but only if Escobar proves he is a capable replacement Here Is Where I Got The Idea Hardy Will Be Traded

addon2008
10-13-2008, 09:24 PM
Trading J.J. Hardy is more likely than moving him to third base. Hardy is under team control for two more seasons. . Demand certainly outstrips supply. Rosenthal believes... Continue Reading

brewersfan729
10-13-2008, 09:27 PM
And Also I Read Brewers Have A Young Prospect That WILL Be Taking Over ss Next Year.

I'd be curious to see where you read this, because I have not heard one thing about Escovar taking over for Hardy next year.

addon2008
10-13-2008, 09:54 PM
www.mlbtraderumors.com...Click On Brewers Rumors And Page Down To The 2nd Time You See Hardy's Name.. My Other Post Is The Next Time You See Hardy's Name. It's From Ken Posenthal.

addon2008
10-13-2008, 09:57 PM
www.mlbtraderumors.com

brewersfan729
10-13-2008, 10:10 PM
www.mlbtraderumors.com...Click On Brewers Rumors And Page Down To The 2nd Time You See Hardy's Name.. My Other Post Is The Next Time You See Hardy's Name. It's From Ken Posenthal.


The Brewers' J.J. Hardy is realistic about his future with the club, knowing he likely will be traded to make room at shortstop for Alcides Escobar, one of the game's top shortstop prospects.

In fact, Hardy recalls being impressed by Escobar the first time he saw him, when Hardy was rehabilitating a shoulder injury at the Brewers' spring-training facility in Arizona in 2004.

"(The Brewers) had brought over a ton of new kids from the Dominican and Venezuela, all 16 and 17 years old," Hardy says. "I picked Escobar out of all the guys. I didn't even know he was a shortstop. But he was having fun, smiling, laughing. I gave him bats and gloves. The next thing I knew, he was the shortstop who was going to take my job."

Hardy, though, should be in demand. He led National League shortstops with 74 RBI's, ranked fourth among all shortstops in on-base/slugging percentage and was third overall at short in the plus-minus defensive rankings at Bill James Online.

That's awfully speculative. Knowing he will "likely" be traded. Not that he "will" be traded. There's no quotes that the Brewers are actually shopping him, only speculation from Hardy that they might trade him.

Either way, there's no way the Brewers trade one of the best shortstops in the game for an expensive, mediocre catcher and a guy who should be a left handed specialist.

Hermie13
10-14-2008, 08:35 AM
yeah....Hernandez and Sherrill won't come close to getting you Hardy. Guthrie and Sherrill perhaps though.....

EricU812
10-14-2008, 09:25 AM
What about Hernandez/Sherrill/Daniel Cabrerra? Would that be enough for Hardy?

Hermie13
10-14-2008, 11:09 AM
They don't need Hernandez...plus he makes way too much money. Cabrera isn't very good.......so no, that wouldn't be enough.

Any deal for Fielder or Hardy would have to start with Guthrie from the O's side. Brewers need good starting pitching.

bigity b
10-14-2008, 05:33 PM
Fielder and Hardy for Guthrie, Sherrill, Huff, Hernandez, Cabrera, ______ (top prospect/s)... any chance?

brewersfan729
10-14-2008, 07:13 PM
We don't want Hernandez or Cabrera.

Hermie13
10-14-2008, 11:00 PM
Fielder and Hardy for Guthrie, Sherrill, Huff, Hernandez, Cabrera, ______ (top prospect/s)... any chance?

If you paid ALL of Hernandez's salary then maybe....but that's a stretch....

Brew Crew
10-14-2008, 11:53 PM
You guys really have no idea of what our needs are in this offseason. Sure it'd be a good trade for YOU...and not us.

By the way...what's all this Ramon Hernandez crap? He had a half year of above average baseball and is to much for not being that great a catcher. Oh, and that guy Jason Kendall...

EricU812
10-15-2008, 09:11 AM
Fielder and Hardy for Guthrie, Sherrill, Huff, Hernandez, Cabrera, ______ (top prospect/s)... any chance?

I don't know about top prospects, but the new lineup would be very good for several years.

Its still however, would come down to pitching. We don't have starting pitching as it is, so we'd have to get a free agent or two. If we were able to land two FA starting P's then I'd pull that deal.

bigity b
10-15-2008, 11:23 AM
You guys really have no idea of what our needs are in this offseason. Sure it'd be a good trade for YOU...and not us.

By the way...what's all this Ramon Hernandez crap? He had a half year of above average baseball and is to much for not being that great a catcher. Oh, and that guy Jason Kendall...

in a few different posts/threads in the o's forum, brew crew fans have proposed trades that involve all those guys. i just put the two trades together and threw in a few top pitching prospects.

there is a brewers fan out there saying you NEED a catcher, bullpen help, and starting pitching. another brewers fan said you were shopping fielder. i dont follow the brewers at all, but ive been responding to all the posts brew crew fans put up here with counter trade proposals. Thats all that it is. Of course we want it to work out for ourselves and thus those are the players I would be more than happy to include in a trade.

and on the hernandez front - i think he sucks more than you do. i would do anything to get rid of him. Especially since we have the top minor league player of the year ready to play in the majors next year and he, surprise, happens to be a catcher.

bigity b
10-15-2008, 11:32 AM
I don't know about top prospects, but the new lineup would be very good for several years.

Its still however, would come down to pitching. We don't have starting pitching as it is, so we'd have to get a free agent or two. If we were able to land two FA starting P's then I'd pull that deal.

guthrie was our staff ace (i know its not saying a lot, but he's still a #3, at least, on any other staff). Cabrera is inconsistent but a perfect end of the rotation pitcher. One game he looks like a #1 or #2 pitcher, another game he falters, but he always eats innings and teases you with his talent. We have a bounty of top pitching prospects so that is who i would include (or even a combination of them).

brewersfan729
10-16-2008, 12:00 AM
there is a brewers fan out there saying you NEED a catcher, bullpen help, and starting pitching.

We have Kendall for another year. He's not much with the bat anymore but he's a great defensive catcher. In 2010 Angel Salome will be ready to take over. He hit .360 in AA this year and will start in AAA next year with Jonathan Lucroy right behind him.

We're really only losing Gagne, Mota and possibly Shouse from the bullpen. Gagne isn't a big loss, he can be replaced easily, as can Mota and we have another lefty in the minors if Shouse leaves. Torres, McClung, Villanueva and hopefully a healthy Riske will all be back.


another brewers fan said you were shopping fielder.

We probably are. I'm not convinced he gets traded though. If he is, we're going to want a good, young starting pitcher in return. Something like the Matt Garza trade last year.

terp12354
10-16-2008, 03:01 PM
This is such a pointless thread because it wont happen. Any trade the brewers are going to want Guthrie and thats just not going to happen. I don't understand why people are so quick to want to get rid of him but he is still very young in terms of years pitched and wear on his arm (2nd yr) and he is by far our most consitent and best pitcher AND his contract is incredible. He had one of the 5 worst runs support averages in the league. If he had gotten average run support (taking the mean not the median) he would have won 23-7....ace type numbers. I dont know why everyone is hell bent on trading a fairly young, top of the roation kid who is only going toget better and who has a great contract situation. After Jones and Markakis he should be the most untouchable guy on the major league roster

brewersfan729
10-16-2008, 04:20 PM
he is still very young in terms of years pitched and wear on his arm (2nd yr)

Minor league innings count too you know.