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SAVAGE CLAW
10-10-2008, 01:41 AM
Ok, a Leader takes responsability and is a very outstanding players that takes shots because he CAN manage the pressure and because mates trust him to do so like say Michael Jordan A leader also knows when it is best to not shoot and look for a teamate.

Leaders due to their quality tend to have very good scoring stat sheets anyway.

A Ballhog is a guy who has some quality and thinks too hig of himself and every thing that falls in his hands, he shoots, he does not care for the team or for wining or losing, just for his stats to look good and make some falshy plays , dunks or shots so everybody knows he is a Star.

Fans tend to be mislead by these fakers and by their 30 point a game stats and treat tehm as gods and Leaders.

But they are not.

So who do you think are leaders and who are Ballhogers/fakers/Sheetfillers?


IMO

Pierce: Leader

Garnett: Leader

Bosh: Leader

Brand: Leader

Carter: Ballhoger

Marbury: Ballhoger

Randolph: Sheetfiller

J Smith: Showboat

Joe Johnson: Ballhoger

Arenas: Ballhoger

Butler: Leader

Wade: Leader

Howard: Leader

Lewis: Sheetfiller.

G Wallace: Leader.

J Rich: Showboat.

TJ Ford: Ballhoger.

Redd: Leader

Jeffersson: Leader

Hughes : SheetFiller

Gordon: Sheet Filler

Billups: Leader

RIp: Leader

Lebron: Leader.

Kobe: Leader.

Pau: Leader.

Bynum: Becoming a Ballhoger.

Baron Davis: Ball Hoger

Ricky Davis: Showboat.

Nash: Leader.

Stoudamire: SHowboat.

Shaq: Used to be a Leader but a ballhoger too.

Monta Ellis: BallHoger.

Kevin Martin: Leader in the make.

Dirk: Leader.

TD: Leader.

Manu: leader.

Parker: Ballhoger.

TMac: SHowboat.

Ming: Leader.

Paul: Leader.

West: Sheetfiller.

Conley: Sheetfiller.

Mayo: Ballhog.

Gay: Showboat, Ballhog, Sheet filler ...god poor memphis three of them...

Roy: Leader.

Aldrige: Leader.

Rudy: Showboat.

Durant: Showboat.

Melo: Ballhoger.

Iverson: Ballhoger.

Jeffersson al: Sheet Filler.

Mike Miller: Leader.-

Deron: Leader.

Boozer: Sheet Filler.

DreamShaker
10-10-2008, 07:34 AM
Mike Miller?

Nexus
10-10-2008, 10:20 AM
I think of Baron Davis as a leader.

muninade
10-10-2008, 10:41 AM
Baron has shown glimpses of leadership, and surely looked like the leader when they knocked dallas out.

JordansBulls
10-10-2008, 10:48 AM
Ok, a Leader takes responsability and is a very outstanding players that takes shots because he CAN manage the pressure and because mates trust him to do so like say Michael Jordan A leader also knows when it is best to not shoot and look for a teamate.

Leaders due to their quality tend to have very good scoring stat sheets anyway.

A Ballhog is a guy who has some quality and thinks too hig of himself and every thing that falls in his hands, he shoots, he does not care for the team or for wining or losing, just for his stats to look good and make some falshy plays , dunks or shots so everybody knows he is a Star.

Fans tend to be mislead by these fakers and by their 30 point a game stats and treat tehm as gods and Leaders.

But they are not.

So who do you think are leaders and who are Ballhogers/fakers/Sheetfillers?


IMO

Pierce: Leader

Garnett: Leader

Bosh: Leader

Brand: Leader

Carter: Ballhoger

Marbury: Ballhoger

Randolph: Sheetfiller

J Smith: Showboat

Joe Johnson: Ballhoger

Arenas: Ballhoger

Butler: Leader

Wade: Leader

Howard: Leader

Lewis: Sheetfiller.

G Wallace: Leader.

J Rich: Showboat.

TJ Ford: Ballhoger.

Redd: Leader

Jeffersson: Leader

Hughes : SheetFiller

Gordon: Sheet Filler

Billups: Leader

RIp: Leader

Lebron: Leader.

Kobe: Leader.

Pau: Leader.

Bynum: Becoming a Ballhoger.

Baron Davis: Ball Hoger

Ricky Davis: Showboat.

Nash: Leader.

Stoudamire: SHowboat.

Shaq: Used to be a Leader but a ballhoger too.

Monta Ellis: BallHoger.

Kevin Martin: Leader in the make.

Dirk: Leader.

TD: Leader.

Manu: leader.

Parker: Ballhoger.

TMac: SHowboat.

Ming: Leader.

Paul: Leader.

West: Sheetfiller.

Conley: Sheetfiller.

Mayo: Ballhog.

Gay: Showboat, Ballhog, Sheet filler ...god poor memphis three of them...

Roy: Leader.

Aldrige: Leader.

Rudy: Showboat.

Durant: Showboat.

Melo: Ballhoger.

Iverson: Ballhoger.

Jeffersson al: Sheet Filler.

Mike Miller: Leader.-

Deron: Leader.

Boozer: Sheet Filler.

How is T-mac a Showboat? The guy barely even drives anymore and half the time he is setting up his teammates.

JIDsanity
10-10-2008, 11:12 AM
Close this. Mike Miller, and Richard Jefferson as Leaders? I'm sure there are many more mistakes, but that just iced it for me

jellywuoo
10-10-2008, 11:57 AM
I do think you mean it in terms of the attitude of unselfishness.
But you neglect the fact that a leader should possess the charisma to inspirit their teammates which i think Mike Miller,Richard Jefferson and Bosh don't have.

kobe24>jordan23
10-10-2008, 12:08 PM
Bynum is not a ball hogger!

23LBJCleBrowns
10-10-2008, 12:17 PM
Did you put Jason Kidd on the list? He is a Leader.

Iodine
10-10-2008, 01:10 PM
This is more of a fail than lil wayne

pd7631
10-10-2008, 01:30 PM
Iverson: Ballhoger.

I guess single handedly LEADING your team to the NBA Finals in an MVP season isn't good enough for you to consider him a leader.

I'm pretty sure that you haven't watched more than 1 or 2 games of most of these players a year, so how can you label them. I would love to hear your reasoning as to why Lamarcus Aldridge/Mike Miller are Leaders. I also find it funny that you call Kevin Durant a showboat, when the guy has played 1 season with a bunch of scrubs...

This thread is horrible

Raidaz4Life
10-10-2008, 01:33 PM
Ok, a Leader takes responsability and is a very outstanding players that takes shots because he CAN manage the pressure and because mates trust him to do so like say Michael Jordan A leader also knows when it is best to not shoot and look for a teamate.

Leaders due to their quality tend to have very good scoring stat sheets anyway.

A Ballhog is a guy who has some quality and thinks too hig of himself and every thing that falls in his hands, he shoots, he does not care for the team or for wining or losing, just for his stats to look good and make some falshy plays , dunks or shots so everybody knows he is a Star.

Fans tend to be mislead by these fakers and by their 30 point a game stats and treat tehm as gods and Leaders.

But they are not.

So who do you think are leaders and who are Ballhogers/fakers/Sheetfillers?


IMO

Pierce: Leader

Garnett: Leader

Bosh: Leader

Brand: Leader

Carter: Ballhoger

Marbury: Ballhoger

Randolph: Sheetfiller

J Smith: Showboat

Joe Johnson: Ballhoger

Arenas: Ballhoger

Butler: Leader

Wade: Leader

Howard: Leader

Lewis: Sheetfiller.

G Wallace: Leader.

J Rich: Showboat.

TJ Ford: Ballhoger.

Redd: Leader

Jeffersson: Leader

Hughes : SheetFiller

Gordon: Sheet Filler

Billups: Leader

RIp: Leader

Lebron: Leader.

Kobe: Leader.

Pau: Leader.

Bynum: Becoming a Ballhoger.

Baron Davis: Ball Hoger

Ricky Davis: Showboat.

Nash: Leader.

Stoudamire: SHowboat.

Shaq: Used to be a Leader but a ballhoger too.

Monta Ellis: BallHoger.

Kevin Martin: Leader in the make.

Dirk: Leader.

TD: Leader.

Manu: leader.

Parker: Ballhoger.

TMac: SHowboat.

Ming: Leader.

Paul: Leader.

West: Sheetfiller.

Conley: Sheetfiller.

Mayo: Ballhog.

Gay: Showboat, Ballhog, Sheet filler ...god poor memphis three of them...

Roy: Leader.

Aldrige: Leader.

Rudy: Showboat.

Durant: Showboat.

Melo: Ballhoger.

Iverson: Ballhoger.

Jeffersson al: Sheet Filler.

Mike Miller: Leader.-

Deron: Leader.

Boozer: Sheet Filler.

I'd love to hear how you explain that one. most of the kids points are put backs and alley oops. It is hard for a Center to be a ball hog. The point of the Center is to take high percentage shots on offense.

pd7631
10-10-2008, 01:34 PM
A Ballhog is a guy who has some quality and thinks too hig of himself and every thing that falls in his hands, he shoots, he does not care for the team or for wining or losing, just for his stats to look good and make some falshy plays , dunks or shots so everybody knows he is a Star.

If this is what you think of Allen Iverson then you obviously know nothing about the guy and shouldn't talk about things you have no idea about. If you want to label players that you see play on a regular basis and know something about their attitude then feel free to fill us in, but don't try and pass judgement on things you know nothing about.

JIDsanity
10-10-2008, 02:21 PM
AS I said before this should be closed

mrblisterdundee
10-10-2008, 02:23 PM
This list is so incredibly wrong! Many of the shooting guards you call ball hogs have higher assist rates than most others, like Carter and McGrady. You call centers ball hogs, when they're being fed by the back court. You've even labeled some of the top ten point guards in the league as ball hogs.

Many of the players you call "sheet fillers" almost never put up good numbers (Hughes and Lewis).

Overall, you just don't know **** about ****.

Goon.Weezy
10-12-2008, 12:36 AM
u forget calderon, he is a leader FO SHO'

lakers4sho
10-12-2008, 12:57 AM
This thread: Closed.

GSW_Soul
10-12-2008, 12:59 AM
This list is so incredibly wrong! Many of the shooting guards you call ball hogs have higher assist rates than most others, like Carter and McGrady. You call centers ball hogs, when they're being fed by the back court. You've even labeled some of the top ten point guards in the league as ball hogs.

Many of the players you call "sheet fillers" almost never put up good numbers (Hughes and Lewis).

Overall, you just don't know **** about ****.

Seriously!!!

GSW fan
10-12-2008, 01:35 AM
Monta Parker Tmac and Jefferson are all leaders

JOSETHEALLSTAR
10-12-2008, 04:10 PM
i think tmac is a leader

BarryIsInnocent
10-12-2008, 04:36 PM
Ok, a Leader takes responsability and is a very outstanding players that takes shots because he CAN manage the pressure and because mates trust him to do so like say Michael Jordan A leader also knows when it is best to not shoot and look for a teamate.

Leaders due to their quality tend to have very good scoring stat sheets anyway.

A Ballhog is a guy who has some quality and thinks too hig of himself and every thing that falls in his hands, he shoots, he does not care for the team or for wining or losing, just for his stats to look good and make some falshy plays , dunks or shots so everybody knows he is a Star.

Fans tend to be mislead by these fakers and by their 30 point a game stats and treat tehm as gods and Leaders.

But they are not.

So who do you think are leaders and who are Ballhogers/fakers/Sheetfillers?


IMO

Pierce: Leader

Garnett: Leader

Bosh: Leader

Brand: Leader

Carter: Ballhoger

Marbury: Ballhoger

Randolph: Sheetfiller

J Smith: Showboat

Joe Johnson: Ballhoger

Arenas: Ballhoger

Butler: Leader

Wade: Leader

Howard: Leader

Lewis: Sheetfiller.

G Wallace: Leader.

J Rich: Showboat.

TJ Ford: Ballhoger.

Redd: Leader

Jeffersson: Leader

Hughes : SheetFiller

Gordon: Sheet Filler

Billups: Leader

RIp: Leader

Lebron: Leader.

Kobe: Leader.

Pau: Leader.

Bynum: Becoming a Ballhoger.

Baron Davis: Ball Hoger

Ricky Davis: Showboat.

Nash: Leader.

Stoudamire: SHowboat.

Shaq: Used to be a Leader but a ballhoger too.

Monta Ellis: BallHoger.

Kevin Martin: Leader in the make.

Dirk: Leader.

TD: Leader.

Manu: leader.

Parker: Ballhoger.

TMac: SHowboat.

Ming: Leader.

Paul: Leader.

West: Sheetfiller.

Conley: Sheetfiller.

Mayo: Ballhog.

Gay: Showboat, Ballhog, Sheet filler ...god poor memphis three of them...

Roy: Leader.

Aldrige: Leader.

Rudy: Showboat.

Durant: Showboat.

Melo: Ballhoger.

Iverson: Ballhoger.

Jeffersson al: Sheet Filler.

Mike Miller: Leader.-

Deron: Leader.

Boozer: Sheet Filler.

Allthe ones ive highlighted were off im my oppinion. I hate Baron Davis Now but when he was with the warriors he was so clutch and took the team on his back. I think that constitutes a leader. Ellis barely handled the ball he just made mostof his shots when he took them. Theres no way gerald wallace is a tea leader as with RIP hamilton.

DerekRE_3
10-12-2008, 08:45 PM
Close this. Mike Miller, and Richard Jefferson as Leaders? I'm sure there are many more mistakes, but that just iced it for me

A leader doesn't have to be the best player on the team. For example, Francisco Garcia is considered a leader on the Kings. He is very vocal, everyone on the team likes him and he plays hard. The leader of a team doesn't have to be the franchise player.